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Old 10-02-2008
CrapFactory
 

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Removing old updates? .NET Frankwork
Windows XP SP3
800Mhz Celeron
256MB RAM
7gig free space.

I don't have much room on my hard drive. So I'm going through the Add/Remove
list and I see "Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 Service Pack 1" that is taking
up 189MB . I have ""Microsoft .NET Framework 3.0 Service Pack 1" also taking
up 247MB. Both say they were Installed on 2/11/2008 though.

Anyway can I delete the 2.0 without causing any problems?
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Old 10-02-2008
Peter
 

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Re: Removing old updates? .NET Frankwork
It could cause problems as there are applications who use one and not the
other. They all get used at some stage or other. I have all the .net
versions/service packs installed because of that.

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"CrapFactory" <CrapFactory@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:135374C0-755F-4A09-991D-6CE4FAD6D229@microsoft.com...
> Windows XP SP3
> 800Mhz Celeron
> 256MB RAM
> 7gig free space.
>
> I don't have much room on my hard drive. So I'm going through the
> Add/Remove
> list and I see "Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 Service Pack 1" that is
> taking
> up 189MB . I have ""Microsoft .NET Framework 3.0 Service Pack 1" also
> taking
> up 247MB. Both say they were Installed on 2/11/2008 though.
>
> Anyway can I delete the 2.0 without causing any problems?


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Old 10-02-2008
Vincenzo Di Russo [MVP]
 

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Re: Removing old updates? .NET Frankwork
CrapFactory wrote:

> Windows XP SP3
> 800Mhz Celeron
> 256MB RAM
> 7gig free space.
>
> I don't have much room on my hard drive. So I'm going through the
> Add/Remove list and I see "Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 Service Pack 1"
> that is taking up 189MB . I have ""Microsoft .NET Framework 3.0 Service
> Pack 1" also taking up 247MB. Both say they were Installed on 2/11/2008
> though.
>
> Anyway can I delete the 2.0 without causing any problems?


No.

"... You may have several versions of the .NET Framework installed on your
computer. Each version of the .NET Framework can co-exist with the other
versions on the computer..."
Cf.: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936705/en-us ("Benefits of the
Microsoft .NET Framework").

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Microsoft® MVP - Most Valuable Professional since 2003
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My MVP Profile: https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Vincenzo
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Old 10-02-2008
JS
 

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Re: Removing old updates? .NET Frankwork
One thing worth looking into is to check if you have the Developer (SDK)
editions installed as they consume much more disk space.

For the normal user, the disk space used for .NET 2.x is 66MB installed
size.
The download file is named NetFx20SP1_x86.exe (23.6MB)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en

For the developers .Net 2.x is identified by the letters 'SDK':
and is nearly 300MB when installed.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

Note the difference in the file download size (354MB) vs (23.6MB)

JS
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"CrapFactory" <CrapFactory@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:135374C0-755F-4A09-991D-6CE4FAD6D229@microsoft.com...
> Windows XP SP3
> 800Mhz Celeron
> 256MB RAM
> 7gig free space.
>
> I don't have much room on my hard drive. So I'm going through the
> Add/Remove
> list and I see "Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 Service Pack 1" that is
> taking
> up 189MB . I have ""Microsoft .NET Framework 3.0 Service Pack 1" also
> taking
> up 247MB. Both say they were Installed on 2/11/2008 though.
>
> Anyway can I delete the 2.0 without causing any problems?



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Old 10-02-2008
Shenan Stanley
 

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Re: Removing old updates? .NET Frankwork
CrapFactory wrote:
> Windows XP SP3
> 800Mhz Celeron
> 256MB RAM
> 7gig free space.
>
> I don't have much room on my hard drive. So I'm going through the
> Add/Remove list and I see "Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 Service
> Pack 1" that is taking up 189MB . I have ""Microsoft .NET Framework
> 3.0 Service Pack 1" also taking up 247MB. Both say they were
> Installed on 2/11/2008 though.
>
> Anyway can I delete the 2.0 without causing any problems?


The .NET Frameworks are not cumulative.

..NET Framework 1.1 is not replaced by .NET Framework 2.0 which is not
replaced by .NET Framework 3.0 which isn't replaced by .NET Framework 3.5
either.

Which do you need? No one knows and only you can find out. If you don't
have one of them installed now and you aren't having issues - you probably
don't need that version. If you have one of them installed now, removing it
could cause issues with whatever applications were written to utilize it.
That can include just about anything - even your video card software.

If you are running out of space - chances are it is *your* files - not the
system files you need to concern yourself over. A good/clean installation
of Windows XP and a lot of extras will not likely take up more than 14-20GB
(The extras would be the full Microsoft Office suite, the full Corel Office
suite, the full Open Office suite, all Adobe products (full versions), all
AutoDesk products and many many plugins and other installations as well.

The rest of the space is usually taken up by *your stuff*. Your email, your
pictures, your music, your documents, your spreadsheets, your databases,
etc. The stuff you are speaking of above is miniscule. Really.

You can try to cleanup - but it's a bandaid for a severed limb...

If you are comfortable with the stability of your system, you can delete the
uninstall files for the patches that Windows XP has installed...
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spack.htm

You can run Disk Cleanup - built into Windows XP - to erase all but your
latest restore point and cleanup even more "loose files"..

How to use Disk Cleanup
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310312

You can turn off hibernation if it is on and you don't use it..

When you hibernate your computer, Windows saves the contents of the system's
memory to the hiberfil.sys file. As a result, the size of the hiberfil.sys
file will always equal the amount of physical memory in your system. If you
don't use the hibernate feature and want to recapture the space that Windows
uses for the hiberfil.sys file, perform the following steps:

- Start the Control Panel Power Options applet (go to Start, Settings,
Control Panel, and click Power Options).
- Select the Hibernate tab, clear the "Enable hibernation" check box, then
click OK; although you might think otherwise, selecting Never under the
"System hibernates" option on the Power Schemes tab doesn't delete the
hiberfil.sys file.
- Windows will remove the "System hibernates" option from the Power Schemes
tab and delete the hiberfil.sys file.

You can control how much space your System Restore can use...

1. Click Start, right-click My Computer, and then click Properties.
2. Click the System Restore tab.
3. Highlight one of your drives (or C: if you only have one) and click on
the "Settings" button.
4. Change the percentage of disk space you wish to allow.. I suggest moving
the slider until you have just about 1GB (1024MB or close to that...)
5. Click OK.. Then Click OK again.

You can control how much space your Temporary Internet Files can utilize...

Empty your Temporary Internet Files and shrink the size it stores to a
size between 64MB and 128MB..

- Open ONE copy of Internet Explorer.
- Select TOOLS -> Internet Options.
- Under the General tab in the "Temporary Internet Files" section, do the
following:
- Click on "Delete Cookies" (click OK)
- Click on "Settings" and change the "Amount of disk space to use:" to
something between 64MB and 128MB. (It may be MUCH larger right
now.)
- Click OK.
- Click on "Delete Files" and select to "Delete all offline contents"
(the checkbox) and click OK. (If you had a LOT, this could take 2-10
minutes or more.)
- Once it is done, click OK, close Internet Explorer, re-open Internet
Explorer.

You can use an application that scans your system for log files and
temporary files and use that to get rid of those:

Ccleaner (Free!)
http://www.ccleaner.com/

Other ways to free up space..

SequoiaView
http://www.win.tue.nl/sequoiaview/

JDiskReport
http://www.jgoodies.com/freeware/jdiskreport/index.html

Those can help you visually discover where all the space is being used.

If you are concerned over less than 5GB of space total at any given time
being freed up on your hard disk drive - then something is wrong and
you would be better off spending a little and putting in a drive that is
likely 3-8 times as large as what you have not and not concerning
yourself over such a small amount of space OR you seriously need
to consider what you really need on the system and what should be
archived.

Basic housekeeping 101... - in an actual home, if your storage area gets
full - you either have to decide what you really should have in the storage
area and what could go or you have to find a new place to store stuff
that will accommodate everything you need. You don't walk into a
warehouse of cars, look at the filing cabinet in the corner where
you keep all the records for the cars and decide that if you move it out of
the warehouse - you will have more room for cars. ;-)

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
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Old 10-02-2008
CrapFactory
 

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Re: Removing old updates? .NET Frankwork
Sweeeeeeet. Alright you guys rule, all of ya. Lots of helpful ideas. See the
thing i s my Hard drive is only 16 gigs, so I don't want anything that isn't
necessary. Compaq Presario circa, 2001. Haha!

1 more question if I can just ask here.
I just installed another 128MB PC 133 SDRAM into the computer. But when I
start up it gives me a memory error. Something along the lines of:
"0800078 00 201 Memory Error"
"164 Memory-Size Error"

When I start up it tries to count the RAM but gets to like 126 and stops.
Then gives me 2 options. Press F1 to Boot Press F10 System
Settings. Any known way to fix it? By the way. If I do RAM checks some say
I got 256 and some 128.
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Old 10-03-2008
PA Bear [MS MVP]
 

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Re: Removing old updates? .NET Frankwork
Begin a new thread in WinXP General newsgroup, please.

CrapFactory wrote:
> 1 more question if I can just ask here...

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Old 05-15-2009
Gurlal
 

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Re: Removing old updates? .NET Frankwork
hi shenan stanley
u have given very useful info which is very helpful 4 the 1 who have prob
with memory
i was known all the things u explained but i was not aware that i can turn
off hibernation thanks alot 4 writting in so much detail thanks alot alot

"Shenan Stanley" wrote:

> CrapFactory wrote:
> > Windows XP SP3
> > 800Mhz Celeron
> > 256MB RAM
> > 7gig free space.
> >
> > I don't have much room on my hard drive. So I'm going through the
> > Add/Remove list and I see "Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 Service
> > Pack 1" that is taking up 189MB . I have ""Microsoft .NET Framework
> > 3.0 Service Pack 1" also taking up 247MB. Both say they were
> > Installed on 2/11/2008 though.
> >
> > Anyway can I delete the 2.0 without causing any problems?

>
> The .NET Frameworks are not cumulative.
>
> ..NET Framework 1.1 is not replaced by .NET Framework 2.0 which is not
> replaced by .NET Framework 3.0 which isn't replaced by .NET Framework 3.5
> either.
>
> Which do you need? No one knows and only you can find out. If you don't
> have one of them installed now and you aren't having issues - you probably
> don't need that version. If you have one of them installed now, removing it
> could cause issues with whatever applications were written to utilize it.
> That can include just about anything - even your video card software.
>
> If you are running out of space - chances are it is *your* files - not the
> system files you need to concern yourself over. A good/clean installation
> of Windows XP and a lot of extras will not likely take up more than 14-20GB
> (The extras would be the full Microsoft Office suite, the full Corel Office
> suite, the full Open Office suite, all Adobe products (full versions), all
> AutoDesk products and many many plugins and other installations as well.
>
> The rest of the space is usually taken up by *your stuff*. Your email, your
> pictures, your music, your documents, your spreadsheets, your databases,
> etc. The stuff you are speaking of above is miniscule. Really.
>
> You can try to cleanup - but it's a bandaid for a severed limb...
>
> If you are comfortable with the stability of your system, you can delete the
> uninstall files for the patches that Windows XP has installed...
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spack.htm
>
> You can run Disk Cleanup - built into Windows XP - to erase all but your
> latest restore point and cleanup even more "loose files"..
>
> How to use Disk Cleanup
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310312
>
> You can turn off hibernation if it is on and you don't use it..
>
> When you hibernate your computer, Windows saves the contents of the system's
> memory to the hiberfil.sys file. As a result, the size of the hiberfil.sys
> file will always equal the amount of physical memory in your system. If you
> don't use the hibernate feature and want to recapture the space that Windows
> uses for the hiberfil.sys file, perform the following steps:
>
> - Start the Control Panel Power Options applet (go to Start, Settings,
> Control Panel, and click Power Options).
> - Select the Hibernate tab, clear the "Enable hibernation" check box, then
> click OK; although you might think otherwise, selecting Never under the
> "System hibernates" option on the Power Schemes tab doesn't delete the
> hiberfil.sys file.
> - Windows will remove the "System hibernates" option from the Power Schemes
> tab and delete the hiberfil.sys file.
>
> You can control how much space your System Restore can use...
>
> 1. Click Start, right-click My Computer, and then click Properties.
> 2. Click the System Restore tab.
> 3. Highlight one of your drives (or C: if you only have one) and click on
> the "Settings" button.
> 4. Change the percentage of disk space you wish to allow.. I suggest moving
> the slider until you have just about 1GB (1024MB or close to that...)
> 5. Click OK.. Then Click OK again.
>
> You can control how much space your Temporary Internet Files can utilize...
>
> Empty your Temporary Internet Files and shrink the size it stores to a
> size between 64MB and 128MB..
>
> - Open ONE copy of Internet Explorer.
> - Select TOOLS -> Internet Options.
> - Under the General tab in the "Temporary Internet Files" section, do the
> following:
> - Click on "Delete Cookies" (click OK)
> - Click on "Settings" and change the "Amount of disk space to use:" to
> something between 64MB and 128MB. (It may be MUCH larger right
> now.)
> - Click OK.
> - Click on "Delete Files" and select to "Delete all offline contents"
> (the checkbox) and click OK. (If you had a LOT, this could take 2-10
> minutes or more.)
> - Once it is done, click OK, close Internet Explorer, re-open Internet
> Explorer.
>
> You can use an application that scans your system for log files and
> temporary files and use that to get rid of those:
>
> Ccleaner (Free!)
> http://www.ccleaner.com/
>
> Other ways to free up space..
>
> SequoiaView
> http://www.win.tue.nl/sequoiaview/
>
> JDiskReport
> http://www.jgoodies.com/freeware/jdiskreport/index.html
>
> Those can help you visually discover where all the space is being used.
>
> If you are concerned over less than 5GB of space total at any given time
> being freed up on your hard disk drive - then something is wrong and
> you would be better off spending a little and putting in a drive that is
> likely 3-8 times as large as what you have not and not concerning
> yourself over such a small amount of space OR you seriously need
> to consider what you really need on the system and what should be
> archived.
>
> Basic housekeeping 101... - in an actual home, if your storage area gets
> full - you either have to decide what you really should have in the storage
> area and what could go or you have to find a new place to store stuff
> that will accommodate everything you need. You don't walk into a
> warehouse of cars, look at the filing cabinet in the corner where
> you keep all the records for the cars and decide that if you move it out of
> the warehouse - you will have more room for cars. ;-)
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
>
>

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