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Old 09-13-2008
Jo-Anne
 

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which updates?
Tonight I decided it was time to update my new laptop to SP3. It currently
is running WinXP Pro SP2. I clicked on the Automatic Update shield and
discovered 22 available updates, including SP3 and IE7. My question: Would
it be best to uncheck everything but SP3 for now and do the rest after I
know for sure that SP3 has been installed?

Thanks much!

Jo-Anne


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Old 09-13-2008
PA Bear [MS MVP]
 

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Re: which updates?
I thought we'd already covered this?

1. Install (only) SP3 (via Automatic Update, Windows Update, or manually) &
reboot twice.

2. Go to Windows Update | Select CUSTOM & scan | Install any critical
security updates (only) offered by Windows Update.

3. Install IE7 per instructions in my reply to your earlier thread; reboot
twice.

4. Return to Windows Update | Select CUSTOM & scan | Install the Root
Certificates update (listed in Optional category).
--
~PA Bear


Jo-Anne wrote:
> Tonight I decided it was time to update my new laptop to SP3. It currently
> is running WinXP Pro SP2. I clicked on the Automatic Update shield and
> discovered 22 available updates, including SP3 and IE7. My question: Would
> it be best to uncheck everything but SP3 for now and do the rest after I
> know for sure that SP3 has been installed?
>
> Thanks much!
>
> Jo-Anne


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Old 09-13-2008
Jo-Anne
 

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Re: which updates?
Thank you, Robear! I'll follow your directions completely.

Jo-Anne

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:u5iDndWFJHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I thought we'd already covered this?
>
> 1. Install (only) SP3 (via Automatic Update, Windows Update, or manually)
> & reboot twice.
>
> 2. Go to Windows Update | Select CUSTOM & scan | Install any critical
> security updates (only) offered by Windows Update.
>
> 3. Install IE7 per instructions in my reply to your earlier thread; reboot
> twice.
>
> 4. Return to Windows Update | Select CUSTOM & scan | Install the Root
> Certificates update (listed in Optional category).
> --
> ~PA Bear
>
>
> Jo-Anne wrote:
>> Tonight I decided it was time to update my new laptop to SP3. It
>> currently
>> is running WinXP Pro SP2. I clicked on the Automatic Update shield and
>> discovered 22 available updates, including SP3 and IE7. My question:
>> Would
>> it be best to uncheck everything but SP3 for now and do the rest after I
>> know for sure that SP3 has been installed?
>>
>> Thanks much!
>>
>> Jo-Anne

>



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Old 09-13-2008
PA Bear [MS MVP]
 

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Re: which updates?
Do as you wish but those are my recommendations.

Jo-Anne wrote:
> Thank you, Robear! I'll follow your directions completely.
>
> Jo-Anne
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:u5iDndWFJHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> I thought we'd already covered this?
>>
>> 1. Install (only) SP3 (via Automatic Update, Windows Update, or manually)
>> & reboot twice.
>>
>> 2. Go to Windows Update | Select CUSTOM & scan | Install any critical
>> security updates (only) offered by Windows Update.
>>
>> 3. Install IE7 per instructions in my reply to your earlier thread;
>> reboot
>> twice.
>>
>> 4. Return to Windows Update | Select CUSTOM & scan | Install the Root
>> Certificates update (listed in Optional category).
>> --
>> ~PA Bear
>>
>>
>> Jo-Anne wrote:
>>> Tonight I decided it was time to update my new laptop to SP3. It
>>> currently
>>> is running WinXP Pro SP2. I clicked on the Automatic Update shield and
>>> discovered 22 available updates, including SP3 and IE7. My question:
>>> Would
>>> it be best to uncheck everything but SP3 for now and do the rest after I
>>> know for sure that SP3 has been installed?
>>>
>>> Thanks much!
>>>
>>> Jo-Anne


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Old 09-13-2008
Jo-Anne
 

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Re: which updates?
I've started the SP3 update through automatic updates. Is there any way to
see the progress of the download and install? Right now, all I can see is
the occasional flashing signal that something's going on.

Thank you!

Jo-Anne

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23BTFgNcFJHA.768@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Do as you wish but those are my recommendations.
>
> Jo-Anne wrote:
>> Thank you, Robear! I'll follow your directions completely.
>>
>> Jo-Anne
>>
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:u5iDndWFJHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> I thought we'd already covered this?
>>>
>>> 1. Install (only) SP3 (via Automatic Update, Windows Update, or
>>> manually)
>>> & reboot twice.
>>>
>>> 2. Go to Windows Update | Select CUSTOM & scan | Install any critical
>>> security updates (only) offered by Windows Update.
>>>
>>> 3. Install IE7 per instructions in my reply to your earlier thread;
>>> reboot
>>> twice.
>>>
>>> 4. Return to Windows Update | Select CUSTOM & scan | Install the Root
>>> Certificates update (listed in Optional category).
>>> --
>>> ~PA Bear
>>>
>>>
>>> Jo-Anne wrote:
>>>> Tonight I decided it was time to update my new laptop to SP3. It
>>>> currently
>>>> is running WinXP Pro SP2. I clicked on the Automatic Update shield and
>>>> discovered 22 available updates, including SP3 and IE7. My question:
>>>> Would
>>>> it be best to uncheck everything but SP3 for now and do the rest after
>>>> I
>>>> know for sure that SP3 has been installed?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks much!
>>>>
>>>> Jo-Anne

>



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Old 09-13-2008
Jo-Anne
 

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Re: which updates?
It's been 40 minutes since I started the download/install of SP3 (at about
12:05 p.m), and it looks like nothing is happening. I checked the Windows
Update log, and the last entry was at 12:05; it says "Checked download
status and it changed. Downloading is paused." Any suggestions?

Thank you!

Jo-Anne

"Jo-Anne" <naples@tbcnet.com> wrote in message
news:uOyspPcFJHA.5440@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> I've started the SP3 update through automatic updates. Is there any way to
> see the progress of the download and install? Right now, all I can see is
> the occasional flashing signal that something's going on.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Jo-Anne
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23BTFgNcFJHA.768@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Do as you wish but those are my recommendations.
>>
>> Jo-Anne wrote:
>>> Thank you, Robear! I'll follow your directions completely.
>>>
>>> Jo-Anne
>>>
>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:u5iDndWFJHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> I thought we'd already covered this?
>>>>
>>>> 1. Install (only) SP3 (via Automatic Update, Windows Update, or
>>>> manually)
>>>> & reboot twice.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Go to Windows Update | Select CUSTOM & scan | Install any critical
>>>> security updates (only) offered by Windows Update.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Install IE7 per instructions in my reply to your earlier thread;
>>>> reboot
>>>> twice.
>>>>
>>>> 4. Return to Windows Update | Select CUSTOM & scan | Install the Root
>>>> Certificates update (listed in Optional category).
>>>> --
>>>> ~PA Bear
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jo-Anne wrote:
>>>>> Tonight I decided it was time to update my new laptop to SP3. It
>>>>> currently
>>>>> is running WinXP Pro SP2. I clicked on the Automatic Update shield and
>>>>> discovered 22 available updates, including SP3 and IE7. My question:
>>>>> Would
>>>>> it be best to uncheck everything but SP3 for now and do the rest after
>>>>> I
>>>>> know for sure that SP3 has been installed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks much!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jo-Anne

>>

>
>



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Old 09-13-2008
PA Bear [MS MVP]
 

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Re: which updates?
Don't touch the machine! Don't cancel the install! Go clean house for a
while and check back with the machine every now and then. If there's a real
problem, you'll see a related error message eventually.

It took AU over 2 hours to get WinXP SP3 downloaded and installed here in
July, I assume due to excessive server demand. You're prolly seeing the
same thing. (I wouldn't have attempted doing this on a Saturday or 4 days
after Patch Tuesday myself.)

Jo-Anne wrote:
> It's been 40 minutes since I started the download/install of SP3 (at about
> 12:05 p.m), and it looks like nothing is happening. I checked the Windows
> Update log, and the last entry was at 12:05; it says "Checked download
> status and it changed. Downloading is paused." Any suggestions?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Jo-Anne
>
> "Jo-Anne" <naples@tbcnet.com> wrote in message
> news:uOyspPcFJHA.5440@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> I've started the SP3 update through automatic updates. Is there any way
>> to
>> see the progress of the download and install? Right now, all I can see is
>> the occasional flashing signal that something's going on.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Jo-Anne
>>
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23BTFgNcFJHA.768@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Do as you wish but those are my recommendations.
>>>
>>> Jo-Anne wrote:
>>>> Thank you, Robear! I'll follow your directions completely.
>>>>
>>>> Jo-Anne
>>>>
>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:u5iDndWFJHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> I thought we'd already covered this?
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Install (only) SP3 (via Automatic Update, Windows Update, or
>>>>> manually)
>>>>> & reboot twice.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Go to Windows Update | Select CUSTOM & scan | Install any critical
>>>>> security updates (only) offered by Windows Update.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Install IE7 per instructions in my reply to your earlier thread;
>>>>> reboot
>>>>> twice.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Return to Windows Update | Select CUSTOM & scan | Install the Root
>>>>> Certificates update (listed in Optional category).
>>>>> --
>>>>> ~PA Bear
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jo-Anne wrote:
>>>>>> Tonight I decided it was time to update my new laptop to SP3. It
>>>>>> currently
>>>>>> is running WinXP Pro SP2. I clicked on the Automatic Update shield
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> discovered 22 available updates, including SP3 and IE7. My question:
>>>>>> Would
>>>>>> it be best to uncheck everything but SP3 for now and do the rest
>>>>>> after
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> know for sure that SP3 has been installed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks much!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jo-Anne


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Old 09-13-2008
Jo-Anne
 

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Re: which updates?
Well, I had already turned off the computer. But when I turned it back on a
few minutes ago, it seemed to be starting something again. The last message
in the log, about 10 minutes ago, is that Windows Update Client successfully
detected 22 updates. I hope that doesn't mean it's planning to install them
all, given that I checked only SP3. Would I be better off at this point
doing a System Restore and trying again sometime next week?

Also, is there any way to observe the download and installation? Sometimes
that happens from AU, but most of the time it doesn't. And how would I stop
the download if I wanted to? I don't see any way to do that.

Jo-Anne

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23FncnKeFJHA.4228@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Don't touch the machine! Don't cancel the install! Go clean house for a
> while and check back with the machine every now and then. If there's a
> real problem, you'll see a related error message eventually.
>
> It took AU over 2 hours to get WinXP SP3 downloaded and installed here in
> July, I assume due to excessive server demand. You're prolly seeing the
> same thing. (I wouldn't have attempted doing this on a Saturday or 4 days
> after Patch Tuesday myself.)
>
> Jo-Anne wrote:
>> It's been 40 minutes since I started the download/install of SP3 (at
>> about
>> 12:05 p.m), and it looks like nothing is happening. I checked the Windows
>> Update log, and the last entry was at 12:05; it says "Checked download
>> status and it changed. Downloading is paused." Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Jo-Anne
>>
>> "Jo-Anne" <naples@tbcnet.com> wrote in message
>> news:uOyspPcFJHA.5440@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> I've started the SP3 update through automatic updates. Is there any way
>>> to
>>> see the progress of the download and install? Right now, all I can see
>>> is
>>> the occasional flashing signal that something's going on.
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> Jo-Anne
>>>
>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%23BTFgNcFJHA.768@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Do as you wish but those are my recommendations.
>>>>
>>>> Jo-Anne wrote:
>>>>> Thank you, Robear! I'll follow your directions completely.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jo-Anne
>>>>>
>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:u5iDndWFJHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> I thought we'd already covered this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Install (only) SP3 (via Automatic Update, Windows Update, or
>>>>>> manually)
>>>>>> & reboot twice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Go to Windows Update | Select CUSTOM & scan | Install any critical
>>>>>> security updates (only) offered by Windows Update.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Install IE7 per instructions in my reply to your earlier thread;
>>>>>> reboot
>>>>>> twice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4. Return to Windows Update | Select CUSTOM & scan | Install the Root
>>>>>> Certificates update (listed in Optional category).
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ~PA Bear
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jo-Anne wrote:
>>>>>>> Tonight I decided it was time to update my new laptop to SP3. It
>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>> is running WinXP Pro SP2. I clicked on the Automatic Update shield
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> discovered 22 available updates, including SP3 and IE7. My question:
>>>>>>> Would
>>>>>>> it be best to uncheck everything but SP3 for now and do the rest
>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> know for sure that SP3 has been installed?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks much!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jo-Anne

>



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Old 09-14-2008
PA Bear [MS MVP]
 

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Re: which updates?
> Well, I had already turned off the computer.

Best not to do that; however, AU will usually resume where it left off when
you restart the machine and it syncs with the server.

> ...The last message
> in the log, about 10 minutes ago, is that Windows Update Client
> successfully
> detected 22 updates. I hope that doesn't mean it's planning to install
> them
> all, given that I checked only SP3.


No, AU just had to sync with the server again. Downloading/installing is
still governed by your AU settings (e.g., Notify Only).

> ...Would I be better off at this point
> doing a System Restore and trying again sometime next week?


No, no, no, no, no! Don't ever use System Restore right off the bat to
correct what you think might be an Automatic Updates or Windows Update
problem!

> Also, is there any way to observe the download and installation?


No. If you want to micromanage such installations, use Windows Update
website; Otherwise, just leave the machine alone, running & connected to the
internet. It may take several hours for SP3 to download & fully install.
(BTW, you'd still have to approve the installation by agreeing to the EULA,
even if you had AU configured to Automatic.)

Downloading will stop, of course, if and when you disconnect the machine
from the internet or turn it off.


Jo-Anne wrote:
> Well, I had already turned off the computer. But when I turned it back on
> a
> few minutes ago, it seemed to be starting something again. The last
> message
> in the log, about 10 minutes ago, is that Windows Update Client
> successfully
> detected 22 updates. I hope that doesn't mean it's planning to install
> them
> all, given that I checked only SP3. Would I be better off at this point
> doing a System Restore and trying again sometime next week?
>
> Also, is there any way to observe the download and installation? Sometimes
> that happens from AU, but most of the time it doesn't. And how would I
> stop
> the download if I wanted to? I don't see any way to do that.
>
> Jo-Anne
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23FncnKeFJHA.4228@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Don't touch the machine! Don't cancel the install! Go clean house for a
>> while and check back with the machine every now and then. If there's a
>> real problem, you'll see a related error message eventually.
>>
>> It took AU over 2 hours to get WinXP SP3 downloaded and installed here in
>> July, I assume due to excessive server demand. You're prolly seeing the
>> same thing. (I wouldn't have attempted doing this on a Saturday or 4
>> days
>> after Patch Tuesday myself.)
>>
>> Jo-Anne wrote:
>>> It's been 40 minutes since I started the download/install of SP3 (at
>>> about
>>> 12:05 p.m), and it looks like nothing is happening. I checked the
>>> Windows
>>> Update log, and the last entry was at 12:05; it says "Checked download
>>> status and it changed. Downloading is paused." Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> Jo-Anne
>>>
>>> "Jo-Anne" <naples@tbcnet.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uOyspPcFJHA.5440@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> I've started the SP3 update through automatic updates. Is there any way
>>>> to
>>>> see the progress of the download and install? Right now, all I can see
>>>> is
>>>> the occasional flashing signal that something's going on.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> Jo-Anne
>>>>
>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23BTFgNcFJHA.768@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Do as you wish but those are my recommendations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jo-Anne wrote:
>>>>>> Thank you, Robear! I'll follow your directions completely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jo-Anne
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:u5iDndWFJHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> I thought we'd already covered this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Install (only) SP3 (via Automatic Update, Windows Update, or
>>>>>>> manually)
>>>>>>> & reboot twice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Go to Windows Update | Select CUSTOM & scan | Install any
>>>>>>> critical
>>>>>>> security updates (only) offered by Windows Update.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. Install IE7 per instructions in my reply to your earlier thread;
>>>>>>> reboot
>>>>>>> twice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4. Return to Windows Update | Select CUSTOM & scan | Install the
>>>>>>> Root
>>>>>>> Certificates update (listed in Optional category).
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> ~PA Bear
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jo-Anne wrote:
>>>>>>>> Tonight I decided it was time to update my new laptop to SP3. It
>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>> is running WinXP Pro SP2. I clicked on the Automatic Update shield
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> discovered 22 available updates, including SP3 and IE7. My
>>>>>>>> question:
>>>>>>>> Would
>>>>>>>> it be best to uncheck everything but SP3 for now and do the rest
>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> know for sure that SP3 has been installed?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks much!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jo-Anne


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Old 09-14-2008
Robert Aldwinckle
 

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Re: which updates?
"Jo-Anne" <naples@tbcnet.com> wrote in message
news:ui2OF3eFJHA.4460@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Also, is there any way to observe the download and installation? Sometimes
> that happens from AU, but most of the time it doesn't.


You could do that with bitsadmin (from a cmd window).
E.g. enter there:

bitsadmin /monitor /allusers

Otherwise you can doubleclick on the AU icon in the Systray and get
an indication of progress from it. Also, of course you can inspect
the WindowsUpdate.log periodically to see what it is reporting.
This coarser log may also be of some help:
%windir%\SoftwareDistribution\ReportingEvents.log
but you can find anything that it reports in the more detailed log
anyway just by doing finds in it for Report Event (e.g. using Find Up
starting from the bottom.)

BTW regarding XPsp3 in particular I noticed that it seems to get
stuck in a suspended state and AU may not be able to get it going again.
In that case I used bitsadmin to force the download to resume.
And when I did that early on in the download of XPsp3 it only resulted
in that piece of its download being completed but at least it resumed
on its own again some time later. See some of my other recent posts
about bitsadmin for more details on the technique.


> And how would I stop the download if I wanted to? I don't see any way to do that.


With the AU icon? Just right-click Suspend.
Without the AU icon? Again, you probably could use bitsadmin;
however, I have only experimented so far with its /resume command
for the workaround I mentioned above.

BTW I find it very useful to leave the AU icon locked in the Notification area.
E.g. click Always show on an AU icon item in the Custom Notifications dialog
via right-click Taskbar Properties.


HTH

Robert Aldwinckle
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