WGA Validation Tool

I recently visited Windows Update, which required me to download & install
WGA Validation Tool (KB892130) before proceeding. The only manual WGA Tool I
could find to download was referenced as KB905474 (12-14-2007). Are these two
programs the same? I want to wipe my HD next week & reinstall everything. My
plan is to follow this order: WXP Pro, SP2, MP11, IE7, & SP3, followed by
other programs & finally NIS2008. My problem is that IE7 & MP11 require WGA
validation before allowing installtion. So if I can manually install the
correct WGA Tool, then I'll be fine. Of course, I could wait to install IE7 &
MP11 until after validation, but then I'd lose the SP3-included updates (SP3
updates are geared to the specific versions of the programs in use). Thanks
to anyone who knows -- & shares with me -- the answer.
--
Joe Davis

> I recently visited Windows Update, which required me to download & install
> WGA Validation Tool (KB892130) before proceeding. The only manual WGA Tool
> I
> could find to download was referenced as KB905474 (12-14-2007). Are these
> two programs the same?

No. The former must be downloaded/installed to be able to use Windows
Update website.

> ...I want to wipe my HD next week & reinstall
> everything. My plan is to follow this order: WXP Pro, SP2, MP11, IE7, &
> SP3, followed by other programs & finally NIS2008.

Will the reinstall give you WinXP or WinXP SP2?

Keep this handy:

Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from Microsoft
Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP
installation:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144

NB: Also applies to clean installs, upgrade installs, and Recovery installs.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/



Joe wrote:
> I recently visited Windows Update, which required me to download & install
> WGA Validation Tool (KB892130) before proceeding. The only manual WGA Tool
> I
> could find to download was referenced as KB905474 (12-14-2007). Are these
> two programs the same? I want to wipe my HD next week & reinstall
> everything. My plan is to follow this order: WXP Pro, SP2, MP11, IE7, &
> SP3, followed by other programs & finally NIS2008. My problem is that IE7
> &
> MP11 require WGA validation before allowing installtion. So if I can
> manually install the correct WGA Tool, then I'll be fine. Of course, I
> could wait to install IE7 & MP11 until after validation, but then I'd lose
> the SP3-included updates (SP3 updates are geared to the specific versions
> of the programs in use). Thanks to anyone who knows -- & shares with me --
> the answer.

Thanks for your reply, PA Bear. Would you perhaps have a link to a manual
download site for "WGA Validation Tool (KB892130)"? Re: your question, I will
clean-install WXP, followed by a separate install of SP2. If I can obtain the
WGA Tool I'm seeking, then I'll install it next followed by IE7 & MP11. If
not, then I'll go straight to SP3. I do not want to activate (no connections
to the i-Net) until after I've installed NIS 2008, which is why I want to
manually install the WGA Tool.
--
Joe Davis


"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> > I recently visited Windows Update, which required me to download & install
> > WGA Validation Tool (KB892130) before proceeding. The only manual WGA Tool
> > I
> > could find to download was referenced as KB905474 (12-14-2007). Are these
> > two programs the same?
>
> No. The former must be downloaded/installed to be able to use Windows
> Update website.
>
> > ...I want to wipe my HD next week & reinstall
> > everything. My plan is to follow this order: WXP Pro, SP2, MP11, IE7, &
> > SP3, followed by other programs & finally NIS2008.
>
> Will the reinstall give you WinXP or WinXP SP2?
>
> Keep this handy:
>
> Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from Microsoft
> Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP
> installation:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144
>
> NB: Also applies to clean installs, upgrade installs, and Recovery installs.
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>
>
>
> Joe wrote:
> > I recently visited Windows Update, which required me to download & install
> > WGA Validation Tool (KB892130) before proceeding. The only manual WGA Tool
> > I
> > could find to download was referenced as KB905474 (12-14-2007). Are these
> > two programs the same? I want to wipe my HD next week & reinstall
> > everything. My plan is to follow this order: WXP Pro, SP2, MP11, IE7, &
> > SP3, followed by other programs & finally NIS2008. My problem is that IE7
> > &
> > MP11 require WGA validation before allowing installtion. So if I can
> > manually install the correct WGA Tool, then I'll be fine. Of course, I
> > could wait to install IE7 & MP11 until after validation, but then I'd lose
> > the SP3-included updates (SP3 updates are geared to the specific versions
> > of the programs in use). Thanks to anyone who knows -- & shares with me --
> > the answer.
>
>

PA Bear, since the two tools are different, does that mean I should be able
to use WGA Validation Tool (KB905474) to validate IE7 & MP11 prior to
activating Windows?
--
Joe Davis


"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> > I recently visited Windows Update, which required me to download & install
> > WGA Validation Tool (KB892130) before proceeding. The only manual WGA Tool
> > I
> > could find to download was referenced as KB905474 (12-14-2007). Are these
> > two programs the same?
>
> No. The former must be downloaded/installed to be able to use Windows
> Update website.
>
> > ...I want to wipe my HD next week & reinstall
> > everything. My plan is to follow this order: WXP Pro, SP2, MP11, IE7, &
> > SP3, followed by other programs & finally NIS2008.
>
> Will the reinstall give you WinXP or WinXP SP2?
>
> Keep this handy:
>
> Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from Microsoft
> Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP
> installation:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144
>
> NB: Also applies to clean installs, upgrade installs, and Recovery installs.
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>
>
>
> Joe wrote:
> > I recently visited Windows Update, which required me to download & install
> > WGA Validation Tool (KB892130) before proceeding. The only manual WGA Tool
> > I
> > could find to download was referenced as KB905474 (12-14-2007). Are these
> > two programs the same? I want to wipe my HD next week & reinstall
> > everything. My plan is to follow this order: WXP Pro, SP2, MP11, IE7, &
> > SP3, followed by other programs & finally NIS2008. My problem is that IE7
> > &
> > MP11 require WGA validation before allowing installtion. So if I can
> > manually install the correct WGA Tool, then I'll be fine. Of course, I
> > could wait to install IE7 & MP11 until after validation, but then I'd lose
> > the SP3-included updates (SP3 updates are geared to the specific versions
> > of the programs in use). Thanks to anyone who knows -- & shares with me --
> > the answer.
>
>

You're making this /much/ more complicated than it is.

1) If the reinstall of Windows will give you WinXP Gold, manually install
SP2 first, then SP3; If the reinstall of Windows will give you WinXP SP1,
skip straight to a manual install of SP3.

Download WinXP SP2:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...5-9e368d3cdb5a

Download WinXP SP3:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...8-1e1555d4f3d4

WinXP SP3 (and SP2) - Read all prerequisites for a successful
installation
http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldron...tallation.aspx

2) Now download WMP 11 for manual installation:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...8-5166114010ca

NB: Requires Validating but Validating does NOT require installing KB892130
or KB905474!

3) Now install IE7 (which does NOT require Validation). Required reading
IMHO before installing IE7:

Sandi's Installation Tips <= Steps #1-8, #10 & #11; take note of #12, then
STOP!
http://www.ie-vista.com/known_issues.html#pre-install
(ignore any references to Vista)

And I strongly recommend using
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow.../getitnow.mspx as the
installation source, not Automatic/Windows Update.

Alternately, use this Direct Download link:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...0-081805b2f90b

Tip: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it.

IEBlog : IE7 Installation and Anti-Malware Applications
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/200...lications.aspx

What's New in Internet Explorer 7
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms649487.aspx

Release Notes
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/Aa740486.aspx

IMPORTANT! =>

IE and Windows XP Service Pack 3
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/200...and-xpsp3.aspx

4) Check in at http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com and install any critical
updates offered. If all updates fail to install, see
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144

NB: You WILL have to install KB892130 in order to use Windows Update
website. KB905474 is and will remain an optional update.

5) Last but not least, make sure Automatic Updates is enabled so the machine
remains fully patched (cf. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525).
--
~PA Bear


Joe wrote:
> PA Bear, since the two tools are different, does that mean I should be
> able
> to use WGA Validation Tool (KB905474) to validate IE7 & MP11 prior to
> activating Windows?
<paste>
> Thanks for your reply, PA Bear. Would you perhaps have a link to a manual
> download site for "WGA Validation Tool (KB892130)"? Re: your question, I
> will clean-install WXP, followed by a separate install of SP2. If I can
> obtain the WGA Tool I'm seeking, then I'll install it next followed by IE7
> & MP11. If not, then I'll go straight to SP3. I do not want to activate
> (no
> connections to the i-Net) until after I've installed NIS 2008, which is
> why
> I want to manually install the WGA Tool.
</paste>
>
>>> I recently visited Windows Update, which required me to download &
>>> install
>>> WGA Validation Tool (KB892130) before proceeding. The only manual WGA
>>> Tool
>>> I
>>> could find to download was referenced as KB905474 (12-14-2007). Are
>>> these
>>> two programs the same?
>>
>> No. The former must be downloaded/installed to be able to use Windows
>> Update website.
>>
>>> ...I want to wipe my HD next week & reinstall
>>> everything. My plan is to follow this order: WXP Pro, SP2, MP11, IE7, &
>>> SP3, followed by other programs & finally NIS2008.
>>
>> Will the reinstall give you WinXP or WinXP SP2?
>>
>> Keep this handy:
>>
>> Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from
>> Microsoft
>> Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP
>> installation:
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144
>>
>> NB: Also applies to clean installs, upgrade installs, and Recovery
>> installs. --
>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe wrote:
>>> I recently visited Windows Update, which required me to download &
>>> install
>>> WGA Validation Tool (KB892130) before proceeding. The only manual WGA
>>> Tool
>>> I
>>> could find to download was referenced as KB905474 (12-14-2007). Are
>>> these
>>> two programs the same? I want to wipe my HD next week & reinstall
>>> everything. My plan is to follow this order: WXP Pro, SP2, MP11, IE7, &
>>> SP3, followed by other programs & finally NIS2008. My problem is that
>>> IE7
>>> &
>>> MP11 require WGA validation before allowing installtion. So if I can
>>> manually install the correct WGA Tool, then I'll be fine. Of course, I
>>> could wait to install IE7 & MP11 until after validation, but then I'd
>>> lose
>>> the SP3-included updates (SP3 updates are geared to the specific
>>> versions
>>> of the programs in use). Thanks to anyone who knows -- & shares with
>>> me --
>>> the answer.

PA Bear, I really appreciate your patience & fast response. I didn't mean to
confuse you: my WXP Professional CD does not include SP1, I purchased SP2
from Microsoft, & I downloaded a SP3 ISO & burned it to CD; I didn't mention
all this because it's sort of a red herring to my question(s). I have
downloaded redistributables of most of the stuff I need (e.g., .NET 3.5, .NET
1.1, auxiliary programs, utilities, & the prior mentioned IE7 & MP11. As my
ADSL connection is barely faster than dial-up (all I can get in Udon Thani,
Thailand), I try to maximize my annual rebuild process by minimizing the time
I spend downloading updates. Which brings us back to these points: (a) IE7
(when I did my rebuild last year, IE7 required validation) & MP11 both
require validation prior to install, (b) SP3 will provide updates to the
versions of IE & MP installed, (c) I do not want to connect to the i-Net
until later in the game (i.e., I have found that you can get much cleaner
set-ups when no third-party "monitors" are at work). So my question: will WGA
Validation Tool (KB905474) allow installation of IE7 & MP11?
Joe Davis
--
Joe Davis


"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> You're making this /much/ more complicated than it is.
>
> 1) If the reinstall of Windows will give you WinXP Gold, manually install
> SP2 first, then SP3; If the reinstall of Windows will give you WinXP SP1,
> skip straight to a manual install of SP3.
>
> Download WinXP SP2:
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...5-9e368d3cdb5a
>
> Download WinXP SP3:
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...8-1e1555d4f3d4
>
> WinXP SP3 (and SP2) - Read all prerequisites for a successful
> installation
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldron...tallation.aspx
>
> 2) Now download WMP 11 for manual installation:
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...8-5166114010ca
>
> NB: Requires Validating but Validating does NOT require installing KB892130
> or KB905474!
>
> 3) Now install IE7 (which does NOT require Validation). Required reading
> IMHO before installing IE7:
>
> Sandi's Installation Tips <= Steps #1-8, #10 & #11; take note of #12, then
> STOP!
> http://www.ie-vista.com/known_issues.html#pre-install
> (ignore any references to Vista)
>
> And I strongly recommend using
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow.../getitnow.mspx as the
> installation source, not Automatic/Windows Update.
>
> Alternately, use this Direct Download link:
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...0-081805b2f90b
>
> Tip: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it.
>
> IEBlog : IE7 Installation and Anti-Malware Applications
> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/200...lications.aspx
>
> What's New in Internet Explorer 7
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms649487.aspx
>
> Release Notes
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/Aa740486.aspx
>
> IMPORTANT! =>
>
> IE and Windows XP Service Pack 3
> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/200...and-xpsp3.aspx
>
> 4) Check in at http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com and install any critical
> updates offered. If all updates fail to install, see
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144
>
> NB: You WILL have to install KB892130 in order to use Windows Update
> website. KB905474 is and will remain an optional update.
>
> 5) Last but not least, make sure Automatic Updates is enabled so the machine
> remains fully patched (cf. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525).
> --
> ~PA Bear
>
>
> Joe wrote:
> > PA Bear, since the two tools are different, does that mean I should be
> > able
> > to use WGA Validation Tool (KB905474) to validate IE7 & MP11 prior to
> > activating Windows?
> <paste>
> > Thanks for your reply, PA Bear. Would you perhaps have a link to a manual
> > download site for "WGA Validation Tool (KB892130)"? Re: your question, I
> > will clean-install WXP, followed by a separate install of SP2. If I can
> > obtain the WGA Tool I'm seeking, then I'll install it next followed by IE7
> > & MP11. If not, then I'll go straight to SP3. I do not want to activate
> > (no
> > connections to the i-Net) until after I've installed NIS 2008, which is
> > why
> > I want to manually install the WGA Tool.
> </paste>
> >
> >>> I recently visited Windows Update, which required me to download &
> >>> install
> >>> WGA Validation Tool (KB892130) before proceeding. The only manual WGA
> >>> Tool
> >>> I
> >>> could find to download was referenced as KB905474 (12-14-2007). Are
> >>> these
> >>> two programs the same?
> >>
> >> No. The former must be downloaded/installed to be able to use Windows
> >> Update website.
> >>
> >>> ...I want to wipe my HD next week & reinstall
> >>> everything. My plan is to follow this order: WXP Pro, SP2, MP11, IE7, &
> >>> SP3, followed by other programs & finally NIS2008.
> >>
> >> Will the reinstall give you WinXP or WinXP SP2?
> >>
> >> Keep this handy:
> >>
> >> Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from
> >> Microsoft
> >> Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP
> >> installation:
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144
> >>
> >> NB: Also applies to clean installs, upgrade installs, and Recovery
> >> installs. --
> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Joe wrote:
> >>> I recently visited Windows Update, which required me to download &
> >>> install
> >>> WGA Validation Tool (KB892130) before proceeding. The only manual WGA
> >>> Tool
> >>> I
> >>> could find to download was referenced as KB905474 (12-14-2007). Are
> >>> these
> >>> two programs the same? I want to wipe my HD next week & reinstall
> >>> everything. My plan is to follow this order: WXP Pro, SP2, MP11, IE7, &
> >>> SP3, followed by other programs & finally NIS2008. My problem is that
> >>> IE7
> >>> &
> >>> MP11 require WGA validation before allowing installtion. So if I can
> >>> manually install the correct WGA Tool, then I'll be fine. Of course, I
> >>> could wait to install IE7 & MP11 until after validation, but then I'd
> >>> lose
> >>> the SP3-included updates (SP3 updates are geared to the specific
> >>> versions
> >>> of the programs in use). Thanks to anyone who knows -- & shares with
> >>> me --
> >>> the answer.
>
>

You and I discussed most of this when you did your annual rebuild a few
years ago, didn't we? It's either that or I'm having a case of déjÃ* vu.
[And I still don't understand why you bother with these annual rebuilds.
You're not running Win98 anymore.]

1. If you're using the latest installer download, you will not have to
Validate when installing IE7. (Yes, this is a new policy.)

2. If you install IE7 and then install SP3, you will NOT be able to
uninstall the former (should the need arise) without first uninstalling the
latter, hence my recommendation to install SP3 before IE7. See
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/200...and-xpsp3.aspx

3. AFAIK you only have to Validate when downloading the installer for WMP11.
Check with the experts in microsoft.public.windowsmedia.player newsgroup to
confirm this. Neither KB892130 nor KB905474 have anything to do with this
online Validation, IIRC. [I've stuck with WMP10 here: "If it ain't broke,
don't fix it."]

4a. KB892130 is an ActiveX Control that's ONLY required if you want to use
Windows Update website to check for and install updates; it is NOT required
to use Automatic Updates to keep the machine fully patched.

4b. KB905474 (WGA Notifications) is NOT required for anything, period.
--
~PA Bear


Joe wrote:
> PA Bear, I really appreciate your patience & fast response. I didn't mean
> to
> confuse you: my WXP Professional CD does not include SP1, I purchased SP2
> from Microsoft, & I downloaded a SP3 ISO & burned it to CD; I didn't
> mention
> all this because it's sort of a red herring to my question(s). I have
> downloaded redistributables of most of the stuff I need (e.g., .NET 3.5,
> .NET
> 1.1, auxiliary programs, utilities, & the prior mentioned IE7 & MP11. As
> my
> ADSL connection is barely faster than dial-up (all I can get in Udon
> Thani,
> Thailand), I try to maximize my annual rebuild process by minimizing the
> time I spend downloading updates. Which brings us back to these points:
> (a)
> IE7 (when I did my rebuild last year, IE7 required validation) & MP11 both
> require validation prior to install, (b) SP3 will provide updates to the
> versions of IE & MP installed, (c) I do not want to connect to the i-Net
> until later in the game (i.e., I have found that you can get much cleaner
> set-ups when no third-party "monitors" are at work). So my question: will
> WGA Validation Tool (KB905474) allow installation of IE7 & MP11?
>
> Joe Davis
>
>> You're making this /much/ more complicated than it is.
>>
>> 1) If the reinstall of Windows will give you WinXP Gold, manually install
>> SP2 first, then SP3; If the reinstall of Windows will give you WinXP SP1,
>> skip straight to a manual install of SP3.
>>
>> Download WinXP SP2:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...5-9e368d3cdb5a
>>
>> Download WinXP SP3:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...8-1e1555d4f3d4
>>
>> WinXP SP3 (and SP2) - Read all prerequisites for a successful
>> installation
>>
>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldron...tallation.aspx
>>
>> 2) Now download WMP 11 for manual installation:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...8-5166114010ca
>>
>> NB: Requires Validating but Validating does NOT require installing
>> KB892130
>> or KB905474!
>>
>> 3) Now install IE7 (which does NOT require Validation). Required reading
>> IMHO before installing IE7:
>>
>> Sandi's Installation Tips <= Steps #1-8, #10 & #11; take note of #12,
>> then
>> STOP!
>> http://www.ie-vista.com/known_issues.html#pre-install
>> (ignore any references to Vista)
>>
>> And I strongly recommend using
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow.../getitnow.mspx as the
>> installation source, not Automatic/Windows Update.
>>
>> Alternately, use this Direct Download link:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...0-081805b2f90b
>>
>> Tip: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it.
>>
>> IEBlog : IE7 Installation and Anti-Malware Applications
>> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/200...lications.aspx
>>
>> What's New in Internet Explorer 7
>> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms649487.aspx
>>
>> Release Notes
>> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/Aa740486.aspx
>>
>> IMPORTANT! =>
>>
>> IE and Windows XP Service Pack 3
>> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/200...and-xpsp3.aspx
>>
>> 4) Check in at http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com and install any
>> critical
>> updates offered. If all updates fail to install, see
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144
>>
>> NB: You WILL have to install KB892130 in order to use Windows Update
>> website. KB905474 is and will remain an optional update.
>>
>> 5) Last but not least, make sure Automatic Updates is enabled so the
>> machine
>> remains fully patched (cf. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525).
>> --
>> ~PA Bear
>>
>>
>> Joe wrote:
>>> PA Bear, since the two tools are different, does that mean I should be
>>> able
>>> to use WGA Validation Tool (KB905474) to validate IE7 & MP11 prior to
>>> activating Windows?
>> <paste>
>>> Thanks for your reply, PA Bear. Would you perhaps have a link to a
>>> manual
>>> download site for "WGA Validation Tool (KB892130)"? Re: your question, I
>>> will clean-install WXP, followed by a separate install of SP2. If I can
>>> obtain the WGA Tool I'm seeking, then I'll install it next followed by
>>> IE7
>>> & MP11. If not, then I'll go straight to SP3. I do not want to activate
>>> (no
>>> connections to the i-Net) until after I've installed NIS 2008, which is
>>> why
>>> I want to manually install the WGA Tool.
>> </paste>
>>>
>>>>> I recently visited Windows Update, which required me to download &
>>>>> install
>>>>> WGA Validation Tool (KB892130) before proceeding. The only manual WGA
>>>>> Tool
>>>>> I
>>>>> could find to download was referenced as KB905474 (12-14-2007). Are
>>>>> these
>>>>> two programs the same?
>>>>
>>>> No. The former must be downloaded/installed to be able to use Windows
>>>> Update website.
>>>>
>>>>> ...I want to wipe my HD next week & reinstall
>>>>> everything. My plan is to follow this order: WXP Pro, SP2, MP11, IE7,
>>>>> &
>>>>> SP3, followed by other programs & finally NIS2008.
>>>>
>>>> Will the reinstall give you WinXP or WinXP SP2?
>>>>
>>>> Keep this handy:
>>>>
>>>> Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from
>>>> Microsoft
>>>> Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP
>>>> installation:
>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144
>>>>
>>>> NB: Also applies to clean installs, upgrade installs, and Recovery
>>>> installs. --
>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>> I recently visited Windows Update, which required me to download &
>>>>> install
>>>>> WGA Validation Tool (KB892130) before proceeding. The only manual WGA
>>>>> Tool
>>>>> I
>>>>> could find to download was referenced as KB905474 (12-14-2007). Are
>>>>> these
>>>>> two programs the same? I want to wipe my HD next week & reinstall
>>>>> everything. My plan is to follow this order: WXP Pro, SP2, MP11, IE7,
>>>>> &
>>>>> SP3, followed by other programs & finally NIS2008. My problem is that
>>>>> IE7
>>>>> &
>>>>> MP11 require WGA validation before allowing installtion. So if I can
>>>>> manually install the correct WGA Tool, then I'll be fine. Of course, I
>>>>> could wait to install IE7 & MP11 until after validation, but then I'd
>>>>> lose
>>>>> the SP3-included updates (SP3 updates are geared to the specific
>>>>> versions
>>>>> of the programs in use). Thanks to anyone who knows -- & shares with
>>>>> me --
>>>>> the answer.

PS: You're being very foolish if you do not keep the machine fully patched
at all times.

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
> You and I discussed most of this when you did your annual rebuild a few
> years ago, didn't we? It's either that or I'm having a case of déjÃ* vu.
> [And I still don't understand why you bother with these annual rebuilds.
> You're not running Win98 anymore.]
>
> 1. If you're using the latest installer download, you will not have to
> Validate when installing IE7. (Yes, this is a new policy.)
>
> 2. If you install IE7 and then install SP3, you will NOT be able to
> uninstall the former (should the need arise) without first uninstalling
> the
> latter, hence my recommendation to install SP3 before IE7. See
> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/200...and-xpsp3.aspx
>
> 3. AFAIK you only have to Validate when downloading the installer for
> WMP11.
> Check with the experts in microsoft.public.windowsmedia.player newsgroup
> to
> confirm this. Neither KB892130 nor KB905474 have anything to do with this
> online Validation, IIRC. [I've stuck with WMP10 here: "If it ain't broke,
> don't fix it."]
>
> 4a. KB892130 is an ActiveX Control that's ONLY required if you want to use
> Windows Update website to check for and install updates; it is NOT
> required
> to use Automatic Updates to keep the machine fully patched.
>
> 4b. KB905474 (WGA Notifications) is NOT required for anything, period.
>
> Joe wrote:
>> PA Bear, I really appreciate your patience & fast response. I didn't mean
>> to
>> confuse you: my WXP Professional CD does not include SP1, I purchased SP2
>> from Microsoft, & I downloaded a SP3 ISO & burned it to CD; I didn't
>> mention
>> all this because it's sort of a red herring to my question(s). I have
>> downloaded redistributables of most of the stuff I need (e.g., .NET 3.5,
>> .NET
>> 1.1, auxiliary programs, utilities, & the prior mentioned IE7 & MP11. As
>> my
>> ADSL connection is barely faster than dial-up (all I can get in Udon
>> Thani,
>> Thailand), I try to maximize my annual rebuild process by minimizing the
>> time I spend downloading updates. Which brings us back to these points:
>> (a)
>> IE7 (when I did my rebuild last year, IE7 required validation) & MP11
>> both
>> require validation prior to install, (b) SP3 will provide updates to the
>> versions of IE & MP installed, (c) I do not want to connect to the i-Net
>> until later in the game (i.e., I have found that you can get much cleaner
>> set-ups when no third-party "monitors" are at work). So my question: will
>> WGA Validation Tool (KB905474) allow installation of IE7 & MP11?
>>
>> Joe Davis
>>
>>> You're making this /much/ more complicated than it is.
>>>
>>> 1) If the reinstall of Windows will give you WinXP Gold, manually
>>> install
>>> SP2 first, then SP3; If the reinstall of Windows will give you WinXP
>>> SP1,
>>> skip straight to a manual install of SP3.
>>>
>>> Download WinXP SP2:
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...5-9e368d3cdb5a
>>>
>>> Download WinXP SP3:
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...8-1e1555d4f3d4
>>>
>>> WinXP SP3 (and SP2) - Read all prerequisites for a successful
>>> installation
>>>
>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldron...tallation.aspx
>>>
>>> 2) Now download WMP 11 for manual installation:
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...8-5166114010ca
>>>
>>> NB: Requires Validating but Validating does NOT require installing
>>> KB892130
>>> or KB905474!
>>>
>>> 3) Now install IE7 (which does NOT require Validation). Required
>>> reading
>>> IMHO before installing IE7:
>>>
>>> Sandi's Installation Tips <= Steps #1-8, #10 & #11; take note of #12,
>>> then
>>> STOP!
>>> http://www.ie-vista.com/known_issues.html#pre-install
>>> (ignore any references to Vista)
>>>
>>> And I strongly recommend using
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow.../getitnow.mspx as the
>>> installation source, not Automatic/Windows Update.
>>>
>>> Alternately, use this Direct Download link:
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...0-081805b2f90b
>>>
>>> Tip: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it.
>>>
>>> IEBlog : IE7 Installation and Anti-Malware Applications
>>> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/200...lications.aspx
>>>
>>> What's New in Internet Explorer 7
>>> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms649487.aspx
>>>
>>> Release Notes
>>> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/Aa740486.aspx
>>>
>>> IMPORTANT! =>
>>>
>>> IE and Windows XP Service Pack 3
>>> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/200...and-xpsp3.aspx
>>>
>>> 4) Check in at http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com and install any
>>> critical
>>> updates offered. If all updates fail to install, see
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144
>>>
>>> NB: You WILL have to install KB892130 in order to use Windows Update
>>> website. KB905474 is and will remain an optional update.
>>>
>>> 5) Last but not least, make sure Automatic Updates is enabled so the
>>> machine
>>> remains fully patched (cf. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525).
>>> --
>>> ~PA Bear
>>>
>>>
>>> Joe wrote:
>>>> PA Bear, since the two tools are different, does that mean I should be
>>>> able
>>>> to use WGA Validation Tool (KB905474) to validate IE7 & MP11 prior to
>>>> activating Windows?
>>> <paste>
>>>> Thanks for your reply, PA Bear. Would you perhaps have a link to a
>>>> manual
>>>> download site for "WGA Validation Tool (KB892130)"? Re: your question,
>>>> I
>>>> will clean-install WXP, followed by a separate install of SP2. If I can
>>>> obtain the WGA Tool I'm seeking, then I'll install it next followed by
>>>> IE7
>>>> & MP11. If not, then I'll go straight to SP3. I do not want to activate
>>>> (no
>>>> connections to the i-Net) until after I've installed NIS 2008, which is
>>>> why
>>>> I want to manually install the WGA Tool.
>>> </paste>
>>>>
>>>>>> I recently visited Windows Update, which required me to download &
>>>>>> install
>>>>>> WGA Validation Tool (KB892130) before proceeding. The only manual WGA
>>>>>> Tool
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> could find to download was referenced as KB905474 (12-14-2007). Are
>>>>>> these
>>>>>> two programs the same?
>>>>>
>>>>> No. The former must be downloaded/installed to be able to use Windows
>>>>> Update website.
>>>>>
>>>>>> ...I want to wipe my HD next week & reinstall
>>>>>> everything. My plan is to follow this order: WXP Pro, SP2, MP11, IE7,
>>>>>> &
>>>>>> SP3, followed by other programs & finally NIS2008.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will the reinstall give you WinXP or WinXP SP2?
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep this handy:
>>>>>
>>>>> Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from
>>>>> Microsoft
>>>>> Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP
>>>>> installation:
>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144
>>>>>
>>>>> NB: Also applies to clean installs, upgrade installs, and Recovery
>>>>> installs. --
>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>>>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>>>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>>> I recently visited Windows Update, which required me to download &
>>>>>> install
>>>>>> WGA Validation Tool (KB892130) before proceeding. The only manual WGA
>>>>>> Tool
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> could find to download was referenced as KB905474 (12-14-2007). Are
>>>>>> these
>>>>>> two programs the same? I want to wipe my HD next week & reinstall
>>>>>> everything. My plan is to follow this order: WXP Pro, SP2, MP11, IE7,
>>>>>> &
>>>>>> SP3, followed by other programs & finally NIS2008. My problem is that
>>>>>> IE7
>>>>>> &
>>>>>> MP11 require WGA validation before allowing installtion. So if I can
>>>>>> manually install the correct WGA Tool, then I'll be fine. Of course,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> could wait to install IE7 & MP11 until after validation, but then I'd
>>>>>> lose
>>>>>> the SP3-included updates (SP3 updates are geared to the specific
>>>>>> versions
>>>>>> of the programs in use). Thanks to anyone who knows -- & shares with
>>>>>> me --
>>>>>> the answer.