Re: Latest security updates
Forwarded to Windows Update newsgroup for maximum exposure.
~PA Bear, MS-MVP
On Jan 11, 12:48*pm, Jesper <Jes...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> It is almost certainly the fact that you have two firewalls on the computer
> that is interfering. Please disable either the CA firewall or the Windows
> firewall and then try with theupdatesinstalled. Running two firewalls on
> the same computer is always a recipe for problems. The firewall on the router
> is not a problem, so you can leave that one on. However, one of theseupdates
> affects the networking stack on your computer so it is very likely that itis
> having problems with the firewall. In fact, I would go so far as to say that
> it is very likely that it is causing problems with the CA firewall. If you
> can verify that the CA firewall is incompatible with that update I know some
> people who would be very, very interested.
> I want you to install them not only because they are needed, but becasue if
> they do not work properly, Microsoft needs to be notified so they can do
> something about it.
> Your question may already be answered in Windows VistaSecurity:http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/047...otectyourwi-20
> "kreinerh" wrote:
> > I see that you are co-author of a book on the subject ofsecurity, so perhaps
> > I should not be surprised at your unequivocal advice to leave them on. *
> > That's OK, but leaving them on without some fix is not an option, since the
> > machine is useless without reasonable access to the Internet. *You know well
> > that the fact that the *programs cause no difficulty on your machines does
> > not mean that the probllem is some failure or unusual usage or behavior on my
> > part. The machine is a new HP; works fine; I've added nothing to Explorer,
> > nor any rare, remarkable other software.
> > Two possibilities seem likely: 1, something about the way theupdateswere
> > installed by the the auto-install system may affect their operability.
> > 2. My basicsecurityprograms may interfere with the updated Vistasecurity
> > programs.
> > A message on this forum that I'm unable to relocate at the moment reported
> > that he had to uninstall thelatesttwosecurityupdatesthat arrived via
> > auto-update, and then manually reinstall them before they stopped interfering
> > with his Internet access. (How does one avoid the install shield?)
> > My *experience with the slowdowns to all facets of operation on earlier
> > machines (with Windows 98 and Windows XP) _provably_ caused by the Norton
> >securitysuite led me to remove the Norton suite from all my machines, and
> > substitute the Computer Associates CA suite, which did not share that Norton
> > disadvantage.
> > The third possibility is that multiple firewall programs running
> > simultaneously had something to do with the problem (though it didn't
> > interfere noticeaably until thelatestsecurityupdateswere installed.) The
> > router has a buit-in firewall, Vista has its own firewall, and the CA suite
> > does, too. To solve this, I've now disabled the Windows and CA firewalls, and
> > rely on the router. (but I haven't yet reinstalled thelatesttwosecurity
> >updates.) Neither I nor any other computer user can afford to change all his
> >securitysystems every tiime there is a conflict between them and thelatest
> >securityupdate from Microsoft.
> > One has to balance the risk ofsecurityinvasions against spending too great
> > a portion of the available time on system upkeep, as opposed to the other
> > useful work for which one keeps and operates the machines. It might helpif
> > there were sime measure of the danger and risk for which thesecurity
> > measures were devised.
> > Your comments?
> > --
> > kreinerh
> > "Jesper" wrote:
> > > Thoseupdatesare important. You should leave them on.
> > > I cannot see that behavior here on two computers that have them. Are you
> > > using Internet Explorer? Can you explain *exactly* what you are doing?Do you
> > > have any third-party add-ins installed in Internet Explorer, or some other
> > > third-party software, such assecuritysoftware, that could be interfering
> > > with your network connectivity?
> > > ---
> > > Your question may already be answered in Windows VistaSecurity:
> > >http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/047...otectyourwi-20
> > > "kreinerh" wrote:
> > > > This morning, my Vista machine reported receiving a group of Microsoft
> > > >updates, including twoSecurityupdates. I then found that connecting to the
> > > > internet was virtually impossible. My XP machine had no trouble making the
> > > > connection, but the Vista machine appeared to be hgaving a hard time, taking
> > > > minutes to even reach the home page. I uninstalled the twosecurityupdates,
> > > > and restored my ability to *get to the internet. Just how important can those
> > > >securityupdatesbe?