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> Pssst newsflash, MS like all major companies are highly
> departmentalized and your department is miles from the software
> department, and your lack of knowledge confirms it too. You are
> simply an annoying MR PR rep, that's it. Stop being so proud. You
> obviously don't know Vista OS like I do or you are one big liar.
> And this statement is provable simply by sampling all the thousands
> Vista complaints already logged in Google.
> If you are trying to tell me that my experience with Vista was a
> happy one, quit now. I can write a book on all the problems with
> Vista, 9 months after it's release.
Hint: You are a moron if you still believe I work for Microsoft.
I have been using Vista since pre-beta.
I am not trying to tell you *your* experience with Vista. I am telling you
that it is unique to you (unless you over-generalize it - as just 'good' or
'bad') and although you are welcomed to your opinion - don't think it is the
only one out there.
> Pssst. Newsflash for the MS spokeslady deparment: Gates is the CEO
> of Microsoft. Vista is a Bill Gates product whether you like it or
> not. Vista was, at minimum, okayed by Gates himself. When HIS
> (GATES) company makes a faulty product like Vista, who do you feel
> should take the heat? Is not gates ultimately responsible for who
> works at MS?? Should he not oversee major end products? Of course.
> HE (WILLIAM GATES III) let this stinker loose on an unsuspecting
> public .. and you defend such pathetic business ethics is doubly
> pathetic. You cannot own up to the fact that Vista sucks. Why not
> admit it and say "we're working hard to render it." Your dishonesty
> or lack of knowledge shows.
Hint: Bill Gates is *not* currently the CEO of Microsoft. I am thinking of
rephrasing my first statement to be more certain of your ranking.
Chief Executive Officer
You still think I work for Microsoft. Microsoft and I have no direct
relationship. I use their products, support the products (amongst others)
in my job (which is not with Microsoft in any way) and freely give my time
on public newsgroups such as these to help people who might be having
trouble - when I can.
Vista may *suck* in your opinion. That's all it is - a single opinion. I
don't recommend it - but I say it is not ready for the business world -
however, people buying their first computer system - no prior experience
beyond possibly work - will likely be fine with Vista.
I am not working hard on rendering anything to do with Vista - that is not
my job. I support many people who use Windows workstations, I manage many
Windows, *nix, Solaris, OSX and other types of servers. Microsoft is
involved only in the fact that some of the OSes are Microsoft OSes.
Otherwise - if they faded to nothing and were replaced by macs - my job
would still be the same and I would still be happily doing what I already
> Pssst, in order to test Vista on your PC, you have to actually go
> out and purchase it *duh*. So you're saying "don't buy anything
> Bill Gates peddles."
Well - maybe. You can get trial versions, try it out 'online' - get someone
to setup a virtual machine for you to try, etc. You could even - if you are
so inclined - download it illegally and install it. What you do is up to
you. Ignorance of the options proves nothing but lack of research. What
you buy should be based on your research, your trying out things online, at
a friends house, your looking up the support for what OS you are going to
utilize from each vendor you currently have computer products from, etc.
Anything less is putting your full confidence and trust in someone else to
do something *for* you.
What's with the 'pssst stuff? Oh - you are trying to be funny. Gotcha.
Yes - I am definitely reconsidering a rephrase of my first statement.
> My research has been already conducted and the jury has already made
> it's verdict:
> "Vista was released totally convoluted and unfinished."
> So stop making yourself out to be dumber than you might already be
> by backing such terrible sofware.
Backing it? Not even close. For most people who are NOT buying a new
computer - I recommend against Vista. For people in Business - I recommend
against Vista. Buying a new computer - completely new everything? I have
nothing against you getting Vista. Go for it. Especially if you are
unfamilar with computers.
Showing that you have only one opinion of millions - which may be, in
general - the same as many people and different from many other people?
Sure. You have an opinion. Way to go.
> Running a piece of software on Six PCs is 10000 times more revealing
> than "doing research" which is what you've suggested earlier. And
> why did you clip out the CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT AGAINST VISTA, A BILL
> GATE'S PRODUCT from the rest of that statement??
> Six PCs running smoothly on XP and one PC running terribly on Vista
> and class
I snipped nothing out. Gate's again. Wow. That first phrase is looking
more and more like a certainty.
I have had hundreds of completely identical machines running Windows XP
smoothly before. Then one - not. Change out a memory chip and everything
is better. I have also had to replace the OS on a much less homogeneous
setup and some of the machines only had 128MB memory or a 500MHz CPU or an
8MB video card or combinations of such low stats - and even with a clean
install, Windows XP would not run as well on these older machines. Windows
98/98SE/ME worked fine. Blame Microsoft? Blame Bill Gates? Blame Windows
XP? I could have. Didn't - because I was trying to run something more
advanced on something less advanced than its better working counterparts.
Products where the manufacturer chose not to support it in XP. Etc...
> Never claimed I do. But I know you don't know vista or are glossing
> over all the Vista problems so many end users know about.
Really? I guess phonics does not teach comprehension - only how to read.
I do not recommend Vista in most cases - there are problems with Vista. I
do recommend Windows XP - but there are problems with Windows XP. I utilize
and support Windows XP, Windows 2003, Windows Vista, Mac OS X, various
flavors of *nix and Solaris daily.
> It's a fact. No crud. FYI, XP wasn't a giant leap from Windows 98 so
> that's why things ran rather smoothly from it's release date.
Hah. How incorrect can one person be? There are still people using Windows
98 for the very reasons you have hinted at for Vista sucking. Driver
support, speed of the system, issues they could not get over between their
stuff and Windows XP. Windows 98 worked fine, still does - so they have not
upgraded. Whole LARGE corporations still running Windows 2000... Because
they cannot move or will not for whatever reason.
Windows 98 and Windows XP have little to nothing in common beyond some eye
candy. Windows XP is even based off the NT line of products - where the
Windows 9x series died with Windows ME.
> For the last time, Bill Gates has something to do with the products
> released by Microsoft until the day he quits. Sorry you lose on
> every account.
So do millions of others (have something to do with the products and their
success/failure from Microsoft). And how do I lose? I have nothing to
gain/lose from this conversation. Microsoft can disappear and my life only
changes in which products I support daily - and even then - it is more a
shift towards one I already support and away from the MS one's as they fade
Let me help you out with the signature I utilize here:
I do not work for Microsoft. I could care less what happens to Microsoft.
If you wish to continue proving the density of your skull - after this reply
of mine - I leave you to do so alone. Know that *your* specific reasons for
disliking Vista are your own. There may be some people out there with
similar experiences - but I guarantee there are just as many with completely
differing opinions/reasons for liking/disliking Vista. You are *not* the
end-all of... likely anything.
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