Vista 64bit rpeventing file copy

I sell a program that I wrote in Access and have had a couple customers with
64 bit versions of Windows Vista where if I send them an updated file, via
email or download, it appears as though the file has copied over the old
version but when they run the program it is still the old version of the
program. Is there some underlying copy protection that is preventing me from
copying over the file yet does not report any error or security warning?

Here are a couple details
* The original install program installs the Access runtime, my program and
related system files. The program itself is made up of two files. one Access
MDE (like a read-only Access file that contains all the coding) and a
database file.
* I then sent them an update which consists of a zip file that contains a
new MDE. They are to copy that over their existing MDE in order to use the
new version.
* In one instance I was able to remote into the customer's PC and do the
file copy it myself. I can see the file copy, the file size and date appear
to be correct for the new version but when I would run it it would run the
old code. Ths PC was an HP laptop if that makes any difference

This is driving me batty. Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks
Tony

Ok here is an interesting twist. was going to remote into another
customer's PC but asked that she turn off UAC before hand. She did that
restarting and and tested my program even before we connected and it worked
as expected. She tested and turned UAC back on, restarted and then tried the
program again and it seemed to revert back to the old version.

This is very weird

FYI my program is installed under C:\Program Files (x86)\My Program...

Tony



"Tony Vrolyk" <me@isp.com> wrote in message
news:eC1jkobSKHA.3540@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I sell a program that I wrote in Access and have had a couple customers
>with 64 bit versions of Windows Vista where if I send them an updated file,
>via email or download, it appears as though the file has copied over the
>old version but when they run the program it is still the old version of
>the program. Is there some underlying copy protection that is preventing me
>from copying over the file yet does not report any error or security
>warning?
>
> Here are a couple details
> * The original install program installs the Access runtime, my program and
> related system files. The program itself is made up of two files. one
> Access MDE (like a read-only Access file that contains all the coding) and
> a database file.
> * I then sent them an update which consists of a zip file that contains a
> new MDE. They are to copy that over their existing MDE in order to use the
> new version.
> * In one instance I was able to remote into the customer's PC and do the
> file copy it myself. I can see the file copy, the file size and date
> appear to be correct for the new version but when I would run it it would
> run the old code. Ths PC was an HP laptop if that makes any difference
>
> This is driving me batty. Does anyone have any ideas?
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>

"Tony Vrolyk" <me@isp.com> wrote in message
news:%23YhYALcSKHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Ok here is an interesting twist. was going to remote into another
> customer's PC but asked that she turn off UAC before hand. She did that
> restarting and and tested my program even before we connected and it
> worked as expected. She tested and turned UAC back on, restarted and then
> tried the program again and it seemed to revert back to the old version.
>
> This is very weird
>
> FYI my program is installed under C:\Program Files (x86)\My Program...
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> "Tony Vrolyk" <me@isp.com> wrote in message
> news:eC1jkobSKHA.3540@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>I sell a program that I wrote in Access and have had a couple customers
>>with 64 bit versions of Windows Vista where if I send them an updated
>>file, via email or download, it appears as though the file has copied over
>>the old version but when they run the program it is still the old version
>>of the program. Is there some underlying copy protection that is
>>preventing me from copying over the file yet does not report any error or
>>security warning?
>>
>> Here are a couple details
>> * The original install program installs the Access runtime, my program
>> and related system files. The program itself is made up of two files. one
>> Access MDE (like a read-only Access file that contains all the coding)
>> and a database file.
>> * I then sent them an update which consists of a zip file that contains a
>> new MDE. They are to copy that over their existing MDE in order to use
>> the new version.
>> * In one instance I was able to remote into the customer's PC and do the
>> file copy it myself. I can see the file copy, the file size and date
>> appear to be correct for the new version but when I would run it it would
>> run the old code. Ths PC was an HP laptop if that makes any difference
>>
>> This is driving me batty. Does anyone have any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>
>



You didn't install the data base file in that same folder, did you?

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Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience & Security

"Tony Vrolyk" <me@isp.com> wrote in message
news:eC1jkobSKHA.3540@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I sell a program that I wrote in Access and have had a couple customers
>with 64 bit versions of Windows Vista where if I send them an updated
>file, via email or download, it appears as though the file has copied
>over the old version but when they run the program it is still the old
>version of the program. Is there some underlying copy protection that
>is preventing me from copying over the file yet does not report any
>error or security warning?
>
> Here are a couple details
> * The original install program installs the Access runtime, my program
> and related system files. The program itself is made up of two files.
> one Access MDE (like a read-only Access file that contains all the
> coding) and a database file.
> * I then sent them an update which consists of a zip file that
> contains a new MDE. They are to copy that over their existing MDE in
> order to use the new version.
> * In one instance I was able to remote into the customer's PC and do
> the file copy it myself. I can see the file copy, the file size and
> date appear to be correct for the new version but when I would run it
> it would run the old code. Ths PC was an HP laptop if that makes any
> difference
>
> This is driving me batty. Does anyone have any ideas?
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>

Is there some special action your users take to 'copy that over their
existing' file ? A simple unzip and delete(?)/copy will just update a
directory entry and leave the original file as free disk space. How do
they launch the program ? If program startup is by double-click the
existence of the old file shouldn't matter but it's not unknown for a
scheduler/job-queue (something cunning of your own making ? ) to hold a
disk location. Any relevance at all ? - I'm guessing really.

Tom

Read up on Windows Resource Protection (WRP) to determine if your file
is being "protected". Userland users may experience silent protection
whereas as an administrator they might get an error message (<--clue).

"Tony Vrolyk" <me@isp.com> wrote in message
news:eC1jkobSKHA.3540@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I sell a program that I wrote in Access and have had a couple customers
>with 64 bit versions of Windows Vista where if I send them an updated
>file, via email or download, it appears as though the file has copied
>over the old version but when they run the program it is still the old
>version of the program. Is there some underlying copy protection that
>is preventing me from copying over the file yet does not report any
>error or security warning?
>
> Here are a couple details
> * The original install program installs the Access runtime, my program
> and related system files. The program itself is made up of two files.
> one Access MDE (like a read-only Access file that contains all the
> coding) and a database file.
> * I then sent them an update which consists of a zip file that
> contains a new MDE. They are to copy that over their existing MDE in
> order to use the new version.
> * In one instance I was able to remote into the customer's PC and do
> the file copy it myself. I can see the file copy, the file size and
> date appear to be correct for the new version but when I would run it
> it would run the old code. Ths PC was an HP laptop if that makes any
> difference
>
> This is driving me batty. Does anyone have any ideas?
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>

On Explorer's toolbarinthe folderis therea button "Compatability Files"?

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"Tony Vrolyk" <me@isp.com> wrote in message
news:eC1jkobSKHA.3540@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I sell a program that I wrote in Access and have had a couple customers
>with 64 bit versions of Windows Vista where if I send them an updated file,
>via email or download, it appears as though the file has copied over the
>old version but when they run the program it is still the old version of
>the program. Is there some underlying copy protection that is preventing me
>from copying over the file yet does not report any error or security
>warning?
>
> Here are a couple details
> * The original install program installs the Access runtime, my program and
> related system files. The program itself is made up of two files. one
> Access MDE (like a read-only Access file that contains all the coding) and
> a database file.
> * I then sent them an update which consists of a zip file that contains a
> new MDE. They are to copy that over their existing MDE in order to use the
> new version.
> * In one instance I was able to remote into the customer's PC and do the
> file copy it myself. I can see the file copy, the file size and date
> appear to be correct for the new version but when I would run it it would
> run the old code. Ths PC was an HP laptop if that makes any difference
>
> This is driving me batty. Does anyone have any ideas?
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>

It has to do with Vista's shadow copy.


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This seems the most promising direction. I did some quick looking up and MDE
files are one that is protected. I don't understand why Windows would
consider my app a protected file but it seems to fit the pattern. The
solution according to what I found it to create my updates as bona fide
installers and not just a simple file-copy.

I will test this out. Thanks for the help.

Tony



"FromTheRafters" <erratic @nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
news:e2mthceSKHA.4324@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Read up on Windows Resource Protection (WRP) to determine if your file is
> being "protected". Userland users may experience silent protection whereas
> as an administrator they might get an error message (<--clue).
>
> "Tony Vrolyk" <me@isp.com> wrote in message
> news:eC1jkobSKHA.3540@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>I sell a program that I wrote in Access and have had a couple customers
>>with 64 bit versions of Windows Vista where if I send them an updated
>>file, via email or download, it appears as though the file has copied over
>>the old version but when they run the program it is still the old version
>>of the program. Is there some underlying copy protection that is
>>preventing me from copying over the file yet does not report any error or
>>security warning?
>>
>> Here are a couple details
>> * The original install program installs the Access runtime, my program
>> and related system files. The program itself is made up of two files. one
>> Access MDE (like a read-only Access file that contains all the coding)
>> and a database file.
>> * I then sent them an update which consists of a zip file that contains a
>> new MDE. They are to copy that over their existing MDE in order to use
>> the new version.
>> * In one instance I was able to remote into the customer's PC and do the
>> file copy it myself. I can see the file copy, the file size and date
>> appear to be correct for the new version but when I would run it it would
>> run the old code. Ths PC was an HP laptop if that makes any difference
>>
>> This is driving me batty. Does anyone have any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>
>

No it doesn't. It has to come with windows to be protected. Your symptoms
are to do with compatibility files.

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"Tony Vrolyk" <me@isp.com> wrote in message
news:%23kmLrMtSKHA.4592@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> This seems the most promising direction. I did some quick looking up and
> MDE files are one that is protected. I don't understand why Windows would
> consider my app a protected file but it seems to fit the pattern. The
> solution according to what I found it to create my updates as bona fide
> installers and not just a simple file-copy.
>
> I will test this out. Thanks for the help.
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> "FromTheRafters" <erratic @nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
> news:e2mthceSKHA.4324@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Read up on Windows Resource Protection (WRP) to determine if your file is
>> being "protected". Userland users may experience silent protection
>> whereas as an administrator they might get an error message (<--clue).
>>
>> "Tony Vrolyk" <me@isp.com> wrote in message
>> news:eC1jkobSKHA.3540@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>I sell a program that I wrote in Access and have had a couple customers
>>>with 64 bit versions of Windows Vista where if I send them an updated
>>>file, via email or download, it appears as though the file has copied
>>>over the old version but when they run the program it is still the old
>>>version of the program. Is there some underlying copy protection that is
>>>preventing me from copying over the file yet does not report any error or
>>>security warning?
>>>
>>> Here are a couple details
>>> * The original install program installs the Access runtime, my program
>>> and related system files. The program itself is made up of two files.
>>> one Access MDE (like a read-only Access file that contains all the
>>> coding) and a database file.
>>> * I then sent them an update which consists of a zip file that contains
>>> a new MDE. They are to copy that over their existing MDE in order to use
>>> the new version.
>>> * In one instance I was able to remote into the customer's PC and do the
>>> file copy it myself. I can see the file copy, the file size and date
>>> appear to be correct for the new version but when I would run it it
>>> would run the old code. Ths PC was an HP laptop if that makes any
>>> difference
>>>
>>> This is driving me batty. Does anyone have any ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Check to see if your "new code" is being saved into a virtualized
"Program Files" within the user's profile.

See this also,

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927387

"Tony Vrolyk" <me@isp.com> wrote in message
news:%23kmLrMtSKHA.4592@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> This seems the most promising direction. I did some quick looking up
> and MDE files are one that is protected. I don't understand why
> Windows would consider my app a protected file but it seems to fit the
> pattern. The solution according to what I found it to create my
> updates as bona fide installers and not just a simple file-copy.
>
> I will test this out. Thanks for the help.
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> "FromTheRafters" <erratic @nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
> news:e2mthceSKHA.4324@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Read up on Windows Resource Protection (WRP) to determine if your
>> file is being "protected". Userland users may experience silent
>> protection whereas as an administrator they might get an error
>> message (<--clue).
>>
>> "Tony Vrolyk" <me@isp.com> wrote in message
>> news:eC1jkobSKHA.3540@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>I sell a program that I wrote in Access and have had a couple
>>>customers with 64 bit versions of Windows Vista where if I send them
>>>an updated file, via email or download, it appears as though the file
>>>has copied over the old version but when they run the program it is
>>>still the old version of the program. Is there some underlying copy
>>>protection that is preventing me from copying over the file yet does
>>>not report any error or security warning?
>>>
>>> Here are a couple details
>>> * The original install program installs the Access runtime, my
>>> program and related system files. The program itself is made up of
>>> two files. one Access MDE (like a read-only Access file that
>>> contains all the coding) and a database file.
>>> * I then sent them an update which consists of a zip file that
>>> contains a new MDE. They are to copy that over their existing MDE in
>>> order to use the new version.
>>> * In one instance I was able to remote into the customer's PC and do
>>> the file copy it myself. I can see the file copy, the file size and
>>> date appear to be correct for the new version but when I would run
>>> it it would run the old code. Ths PC was an HP laptop if that makes
>>> any difference
>>>
>>> This is driving me batty. Does anyone have any ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>