Can't turn off Windows Defender

Running Vista Enterprise SP1. We're running ForeFront Client Security as our
AV / Spyware app. Each morning after I start my system up. the Windows
Defender icon appears in the tray with a note that I need to check for new
definitions. Since we're running Forefront, I turn off Windows Defender in
Tools > Options. The next day it's enabled again. How can I turn this thing
off?
--
Sandy Wood
Orange County District Attorney

"Sandy Wood" <sandy.wood@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:AD24B35B-5AB3-404F-BF6F-15CEBD87113A@microsoft.com...
> Running Vista Enterprise SP1. We're running ForeFront Client Security as
> our
> AV / Spyware app. Each morning after I start my system up. the Windows
> Defender icon appears in the tray with a note that I need to check for new
> definitions. Since we're running Forefront, I turn off Windows Defender in
> Tools > Options. The next day it's enabled again. How can I turn this
> thing
> off?
> --
> Sandy Wood
> Orange County District Attorney

It appears there is a group policy setting, either at the local or domain
level, which is overriding your manual disable at your workstation/PC. If
you are not the system administrator, then bring this issue to their
attention. As you mentioned, Forefront is a centralize, subscription-based
solution where Windows Defender is a good, but limited solution best suited
for SOHO users that can't, won't or don't want to make a conscious effort,
responsibility for their own data protection. Its a good product, its just
limited in scope and manageability.

There are ways to suppress Windows Defender, in the case where a more
comprehensive solution is in place. It would seem, from your post, that the
sys admin staff may have missed a step.

As I suggested, take this up with your sys admin staff, if you are having
this problem, I'm guessing others are too. For a little background reading,
follow the link below.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927367

Not knowing the extent of your domain Group policy controls, I could also
suggest going through "Control Panel"?

.....If you have access to "services", did you already try to disable it.
"services (local)" > Windows Defender > properties > disabled OK > exit?


"Sandy Wood" <sandy.wood@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:AD24B35B-5AB3-404F-BF6F-15CEBD87113A@microsoft.com...
> Running Vista Enterprise SP1. We're running ForeFront Client Security as
> our
> AV / Spyware app. Each morning after I start my system up. the Windows
> Defender icon appears in the tray with a note that I need to check for new
> definitions. Since we're running Forefront, I turn off Windows Defender in
> Tools > Options. The next day it's enabled again. How can I turn this
> thing
> off?
> --
> Sandy Wood
> Orange County District Attorney

Thanks for the response. I've looked through and double-checked the group
policies applied to my machine (I'm the admin for my machine and the domain)
and the RSOP doesn't show anything Windows Defender related. I do have the
requisite Forefront policy settings in group policy (I'm also the Forefront
admin) but from what I can see they don't include any Windows Defender
settings from what I can see.

Thanks for the link to the Windows Defender Group Policy template article.
Looks like I should consider adding a GPO to disable Windows Defender on our
Vista machines as this is a step that Microsoft left out.

Appreciate the help and tips.
--
Sandy Wood
Orange County District Attorney


"Beoweolf" wrote:

>
> "Sandy Wood" <sandy.wood@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:AD24B35B-5AB3-404F-BF6F-15CEBD87113A@microsoft.com...
> > Running Vista Enterprise SP1. We're running ForeFront Client Security as
> > our
> > AV / Spyware app. Each morning after I start my system up. the Windows
> > Defender icon appears in the tray with a note that I need to check for new
> > definitions. Since we're running Forefront, I turn off Windows Defender in
> > Tools > Options. The next day it's enabled again. How can I turn this
> > thing
> > off?
> > --
> > Sandy Wood
> > Orange County District Attorney
>
> It appears there is a group policy setting, either at the local or domain
> level, which is overriding your manual disable at your workstation/PC. If
> you are not the system administrator, then bring this issue to their
> attention. As you mentioned, Forefront is a centralize, subscription-based
> solution where Windows Defender is a good, but limited solution best suited
> for SOHO users that can't, won't or don't want to make a conscious effort,
> responsibility for their own data protection. Its a good product, its just
> limited in scope and manageability.
>
> There are ways to suppress Windows Defender, in the case where a more
> comprehensive solution is in place. It would seem, from your post, that the
> sys admin staff may have missed a step.
>
> As I suggested, take this up with your sys admin staff, if you are having
> this problem, I'm guessing others are too. For a little background reading,
> follow the link below.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927367
>

Yes, I was considering that as an option. As we are just beginning to move
towards replacing our XP SP3 fleet of machines with Vista, I'd like to
develop a plan to idealling 'uninstall' Windows Defender before installing
the Forefront Client. That would seem to be the cleanest solution. I suppose
I could set the service to Disabled or create a GPO to disable it but removal
would work the best for us in our environment.
--
Sandy Wood
Orange County District Attorney


"Beoweolf" wrote:

> Not knowing the extent of your domain Group policy controls, I could also
> suggest going through "Control Panel"?
>
> ....If you have access to "services", did you already try to disable it.
> "services (local)" > Windows Defender > properties > disabled OK > exit?
>
>
> "Sandy Wood" <sandy.wood@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:AD24B35B-5AB3-404F-BF6F-15CEBD87113A@microsoft.com...
> > Running Vista Enterprise SP1. We're running ForeFront Client Security as
> > our
> > AV / Spyware app. Each morning after I start my system up. the Windows
> > Defender icon appears in the tray with a note that I need to check for new
> > definitions. Since we're running Forefront, I turn off Windows Defender in
> > Tools > Options. The next day it's enabled again. How can I turn this
> > thing
> > off?
> > --
> > Sandy Wood
> > Orange County District Attorney
>

Just type msconfig in the search bar and go to start up and disable it
from there that's how I did it.


--
Mr GRiM

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:57:02 -0700, Sandy Wood <sandy.wood@nospam.com>
wrote:

>Yes, I was considering that as an option. As we are just beginning to move
>towards replacing our XP SP3 fleet of machines with Vista, I'd like to
>develop a plan to idealling 'uninstall' Windows Defender before installing
>the Forefront Client. That would seem to be the cleanest solution. I suppose
>I could set the service to Disabled or create a GPO to disable it but removal
>would work the best for us in our environment.

You can disable it (in Administrative Services) but I don't believe
that you can uninstall it in Vista. In XP, yes, but not in Vista.

Looks like disabling the service is the way to go. We've added this change to
our base Vista Enterprise image.
--
Sandy Wood
Orange County District Attorney


"Paul Montgomery" wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:57:02 -0700, Sandy Wood <sandy.wood@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Yes, I was considering that as an option. As we are just beginning to move
> >towards replacing our XP SP3 fleet of machines with Vista, I'd like to
> >develop a plan to idealling 'uninstall' Windows Defender before installing
> >the Forefront Client. That would seem to be the cleanest solution. I suppose
> >I could set the service to Disabled or create a GPO to disable it but removal
> >would work the best for us in our environment.
>
> You can disable it (in Administrative Services) but I don't believe
> that you can uninstall it in Vista. In XP, yes, but not in Vista.
>

Perhaps this link might be useful:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927367

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--
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"Sandy Wood" <sandy.wood@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:AD24B35B-5AB3-404F-BF6F-15CEBD87113A@microsoft.com...
> Running Vista Enterprise SP1. We're running ForeFront Client Security as
> our
> AV / Spyware app. Each morning after I start my system up. the Windows
> Defender icon appears in the tray with a note that I need to check for new
> definitions. Since we're running Forefront, I turn off Windows Defender in
> Tools > Options. The next day it's enabled again. How can I turn this
> thing
> off?
> --
> Sandy Wood
> Orange County District Attorney

I imagine that disabling Windows Defender in a GPO would be a far better
practive than hard setting the service. Thanks for the link!
--
Sandy Wood
Orange County District Attorney


"John Barnett MVP" wrote:

> Perhaps this link might be useful:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927367
>
> --
>
> --
> John Barnett MVP
> Windows XP Associate Expert
> Windows Desktop Experience
>
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> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
> Web: http://www.silversurfer-guide.com
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>
> "Sandy Wood" <sandy.wood@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:AD24B35B-5AB3-404F-BF6F-15CEBD87113A@microsoft.com...
> > Running Vista Enterprise SP1. We're running ForeFront Client Security as
> > our
> > AV / Spyware app. Each morning after I start my system up. the Windows
> > Defender icon appears in the tray with a note that I need to check for new
> > definitions. Since we're running Forefront, I turn off Windows Defender in
> > Tools > Options. The next day it's enabled again. How can I turn this
> > thing
> > off?
> > --
> > Sandy Wood
> > Orange County District Attorney
>
>