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Re: Items taht allways reappears to be updated, after successful updat

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Old 09-29-2008
Robert Aldwinckle
 

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Re: Items taht allways reappears to be updated, after successful updat
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"pelsql" <pelsql@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:8265DE55-14B5-4EF2-B20E-B333AA93F0B1@microsoft.com...
>I have two items that always reappears to be updated even after successful
> update:
>
> Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1 for windows Vista
> Microsoft XML Core Services 4.0 Service Pack
>


> Interactive help says that there is a way to hide them, but in vista I don't
> see this option.



Really? It may help then describe what you are doing and where you are
looking.

FWIW in XP there are two ways to block updates, depending on whether
one is looking at notification via the SysTray (e.g. AU) or using the web
site (e.g. WU or MU). I know that Vista has changed one of these somehow
but I didn't think it had affected both.


>
> I have SQL Server 2005 clients tools and I think this interfere with Windows
> Update process that identifies what need to be updated



If you are still getting updates offered chances are that whatever the "interference"
is it is also resulting in the update not being completed. You could try figuring
out *why* the install is not completing properly by examining the logs and
supplementing their information by tracing their creation with ProcMon if necessary.
Also, doing the installs manually may give you better symptoms to work with.
If you do get more symptoms that way the problem might be better addressed
in a newsgroup which specializes in the product involved, since they would then
be independent of any update delivery mechanism.


Good luck

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Old 09-30-2008
pelsql
 

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Re: Items taht allways reappears to be updated, after successful u
The update is successful in the history and in the windows update log.
Windows Update on Vista doesn't seems to give the option to block specific
update. At least this is what I get on my computer.

The windows update icon appears in the system tray, it says that new updates
are availables. When I select the hyperlink to display them I can uncheck
them, but there is no button to says leave it as it is. Only the cancel
button remains available. Obviously cancel put checks button back on. I
would like to join screenshot of this but I don't know how to this in this
forum




"Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:

> (cross-post added to Vista Perf & Maint)
> "pelsql" <pelsql@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:8265DE55-14B5-4EF2-B20E-B333AA93F0B1@microsoft.com...
> >I have two items that always reappears to be updated even after successful
> > update:
> >
> > Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1 for windows Vista
> > Microsoft XML Core Services 4.0 Service Pack
> >

>
> > Interactive help says that there is a way to hide them, but in vista I don't
> > see this option.

>
>
> Really? It may help then describe what you are doing and where you are
> looking.
>
> FWIW in XP there are two ways to block updates, depending on whether
> one is looking at notification via the SysTray (e.g. AU) or using the web
> site (e.g. WU or MU). I know that Vista has changed one of these somehow
> but I didn't think it had affected both.
>
>
> >
> > I have SQL Server 2005 clients tools and I think this interfere with Windows
> > Update process that identifies what need to be updated

>
>
> If you are still getting updates offered chances are that whatever the "interference"
> is it is also resulting in the update not being completed. You could try figuring
> out *why* the install is not completing properly by examining the logs and
> supplementing their information by tracing their creation with ProcMon if necessary.
> Also, doing the installs manually may give you better symptoms to work with.
> If you do get more symptoms that way the problem might be better addressed
> in a newsgroup which specializes in the product involved, since they would then
> be independent of any update delivery mechanism.
>
>
> Good luck
>
> Robert Aldwinckle
> ---
>
>
>

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Old 09-30-2008
Robert Aldwinckle
 

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Re: Items taht allways reappears to be updated, after successful u
"pelsql" <pelsql@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> [X-Newsreader: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000]


> The update is successful in the history and in the windows update log.



Is a boot required? (Usually) The log can show you what you are seeing
*before* the boot is done. If the boot isn't done or if something interferes
with the copy/rename that that entails, in effect the update is incomplete
and that would explain why another suggestion to install it would be seen.

You can check the registry value PendingFileRenameOperations
before the boot to see the files involved. Keep track of them
and see what changed after the boot.


> Windows Update on Vista doesn't seems to give the option to block specific
> update. At least this is what I get on my computer.
>
> The windows update icon appears in the system tray, it says that new updates
> are availables. When I select the hyperlink to display them I can uncheck
> them, but there is no button to says leave it as it is. Only the cancel
> button remains available. Obviously cancel put checks button back on.



> I would like to join screenshot of this but I don't know how to this in this
> forum



You could post a link to an image if you have access to a web server
which will host it. Otherwise you can use your Windows Mail app
to post to this newsgroup. E.g. copy the following URL to your Run...
dialog and execute it.

news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof....windowsupdate

BTW you may want to personalize the news account that creates,
before posting using it.


HTH

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Old 09-30-2008
pelsql
 

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Re: Items taht allways reappears to be updated, after successful u
No reboot is requiered, and there is no such key PendingFileRenameOperations
I looked in
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Session Manager to try
to find it
and i also did a search into the registry in case the key would exist
somewhere else. I didn't found it.

Anyway this problem occurs between reboots. It have been there since I pass
SQL2005 SP2. In some way Visual studio and SQL2005 Management studio are
linked. I suspect Visual Studio 2005 Sp1 is effectively applied, but Windows
Update sees SQL2005 visual studio components as not up to date.

"Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:

> "pelsql" <pelsql@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:EBA2180D-F031-4081-B535-39AB39FAF4B3@microsoft.com...
>
> > [X-Newsreader: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000]

>
> > The update is successful in the history and in the windows update log.

>
>
> Is a boot required? (Usually) The log can show you what you are seeing
> *before* the boot is done. If the boot isn't done or if something interferes
> with the copy/rename that that entails, in effect the update is incomplete
> and that would explain why another suggestion to install it would be seen.
>
> You can check the registry value PendingFileRenameOperations
> before the boot to see the files involved. Keep track of them
> and see what changed after the boot.
>
>
> > Windows Update on Vista doesn't seems to give the option to block specific
> > update. At least this is what I get on my computer.
> >
> > The windows update icon appears in the system tray, it says that new updates
> > are availables. When I select the hyperlink to display them I can uncheck
> > them, but there is no button to says leave it as it is. Only the cancel
> > button remains available. Obviously cancel put checks button back on.

>
>
> > I would like to join screenshot of this but I don't know how to this in this
> > forum

>
>
> You could post a link to an image if you have access to a web server
> which will host it. Otherwise you can use your Windows Mail app
> to post to this newsgroup. E.g. copy the following URL to your Run...
> dialog and execute it.
>
> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof....windowsupdate
>
> BTW you may want to personalize the news account that creates,
> before posting using it.
>
>
> HTH
>
> Robert
> ---
>
>
>

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Old 09-30-2008
Robert Aldwinckle
 

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Re: Items taht allways reappears to be updated, after successful u
"pelsql" <pelsql@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:64677552-644E-4350-8F68-2EBAF6CE5DFD@microsoft.com...
> No reboot is requiered, and there is no such key PendingFileRenameOperations
> I looked in
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Session Manager to try
> to find it
> and i also did a search into the registry in case the key would exist
> somewhere else. I didn't found it.



That's just a clear way to check on what the update has left to do.
There may also be clues in the Event log or of course in the install log.
At worst as I mentioned you could supplement any diagnostics that are
already available by running ProcMon, e.g., in order to see what other file
and registry accesses occur just prior to the write for a particular
log message.


>


> Anyway this problem occurs between reboots.



Have you missed the point? You have a symptom that you haven't fully
diagnosed. If the install is preparing an update which involves a file in use
it has to make a copy of it and then rename it when it is no longer in use.
The standard mechanism for doing that is creating the registry value, booting
and thereby getting the copy/rename done when the system is quiesced.
If something interferes with that process your update stays incomplete,
thus perpetuating your symptom.


> It have been there since I pass
> SQL2005 SP2. In some way Visual studio and SQL2005 Management studio are
> linked. I suspect Visual Studio 2005 Sp1 is effectively applied, but Windows
> Update sees SQL2005 visual studio components as not up to date.



It shouldn't be that hard to figure out why. Try it.


Good luck

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