Windows Vista UI Bugs

This is a list of Windows Vista User Interface (UI) Bugs we need resolved
before upgrading from Windows XP. I have also added a list of Flaws I think
are important (before I use windows Vista personally). These were found
within the space of 3 hours when I first used Windows Vista, and had to
customise it.

1. CRITICAL BUG: When untick; Start Menu Properties – Keep the taskbar on
top of other windows, windows do not always go in front of task bar – this
makes this customisation function useless as there are times when you will be
working on a document and the text you are typing in is not visible as the
taskbar lies on top.

2. BUG: task bar dragged from RH side to bottom, task bar no longer dragable
(workaround: have to lock and unlock taskbar)

3. BUG: Start Menu - clicking 'favourites', then clicking 'recent items'
stops showing content.
(workaround: need to close and reopen start menu to fix this. This bug
assumes favorites menu has been made visible on the start menu)

4. BUG: at a random time, a desktop shortcut icon picture is replaced with
the default shortcut icon - same bug as in windows [9x?/]2k/xp
(workaround: need to right click on short cut icon – properties – change the
icon picture to another picture – click apply – click ok - right click on
short cut icon – properties – change the icon picture to original picture –
this workaround has not changed since windows [9x?/]2k)

5. BUG: internet explorer stops showing content
(work around: required to be double clicked to show content)

6. BUG: internet explorer crashes

7. FLAW: no 'up' in windows explorer
(workaround: have to click on the folder corresponding to the folder one
level up within the address bar, making the task of moving up a folder
comparatively difficult - requiring extra thinking/memory to locate the
folder name on the address bar which corresponds to the folder the user
wishes to navigate up to. Alternative work around - have to use alt-up arrow
keyboard shortcut which is useless as it is out of the way)

8. FLAW: no keyboard shortcut to open internet explorer, and note using
Ctrl-e is no longer possible as internet explorer has been separated from
windows explorer - in particular the favourites menu is inaccessible from
windows explorer
(work around: internet explorer - Tools - Internet Options - Tabs Settings -
open links from other windows in a new window, change to classic startmenu,
and add favorites menu, and then: windows key - a - 1 Google)

9. FLAW: cannot remove search bar in internet explorer
(workaround: Microsoft never put an option in the settings for IE 7 to
disable or remove it, but you can set a registry key to make it go away. If
you open this key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Int ernet
Explorer\Infodelivery\Restrictions, And create a dword value named
"NoSearchBox" and set it to 1. The search box will be gone. Set it back to 0
and it will be back again).

10. FLAW: cannot make a new tab contain a mirror image of a current windows
explorer page content; opening a new tab can only either be a 'blank page' or
a 'home page'. Where as opening a new internet explorer window always copies
the current windows explorer page content.

11. FLAW: pressing windows key, then pressing alt does not close the start
menu - this method could be used in win9x, win2k and winxp to bring the task
bar on top.
(workaround: have to press windows key, then press Esc)

Thanks,

--
Richard Baxter


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Congratulations!
You've re-identified the most commonly listed "bugs" in Vista.
You only missed 493 others.

Most vendors (note: I didn't specify software vendors) keep a "bug" list as
they develop their product. Each "bug" is given some kind of "weight" based
on what it does. (e.g. Crritically fails, annoys user, function used by less
than 0.01% of the public, etc.) When the weighted number gets below a
certain threshold, it can be released to the public.

"Oh, my God... they intentionally released a product with bugs in it?"

Yes, just like cars, houses, phones, most of the games you play, etc.
You report the problem... they work on a repair and release it to you.
(If they want to stay in business.)

PS.
Not working the way you want is not a FLAW or a BUG.
It's has intentionally been changed.
(Ever play a game that doesn't use the WSAD format?)

Not knowing how to use what you've bought is not a FLAW or BUG with the
vendor.



"Richard Baxter" <RichardBaxter@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:ACA2A289-BC67-423D-BED3-B941BDDC64A1@microsoft.com...
> This is a list of Windows Vista User Interface (UI) Bugs we need resolved
> before upgrading from Windows XP. I have also added a list of Flaws I
think
> are important (before I use windows Vista personally). These were found
> within the space of 3 hours when I first used Windows Vista, and had to
> customise it.
>
> 1. CRITICAL BUG: When untick; Start Menu Properties - Keep the taskbar on
> top of other windows, windows do not always go in front of task bar - this
> makes this customisation function useless as there are times when you will
be
> working on a document and the text you are typing in is not visible as the
> taskbar lies on top.
>
> 2. BUG: task bar dragged from RH side to bottom, task bar no longer
dragable
> (workaround: have to lock and unlock taskbar)
>
> 3. BUG: Start Menu - clicking 'favourites', then clicking 'recent items'
> stops showing content.
> (workaround: need to close and reopen start menu to fix this. This bug
> assumes favorites menu has been made visible on the start menu)
>
> 4. BUG: at a random time, a desktop shortcut icon picture is replaced with
> the default shortcut icon - same bug as in windows [9x?/]2k/xp
> (workaround: need to right click on short cut icon - properties - change
the
> icon picture to another picture - click apply - click ok - right click on
> short cut icon - properties - change the icon picture to original
picture -
> this workaround has not changed since windows [9x?/]2k)
>
> 5. BUG: internet explorer stops showing content
> (work around: required to be double clicked to show content)
>
> 6. BUG: internet explorer crashes
>
> 7. FLAW: no 'up' in windows explorer
> (workaround: have to click on the folder corresponding to the folder one
> level up within the address bar, making the task of moving up a folder
> comparatively difficult - requiring extra thinking/memory to locate the
> folder name on the address bar which corresponds to the folder the user
> wishes to navigate up to. Alternative work around - have to use alt-up
arrow
> keyboard shortcut which is useless as it is out of the way)
>
> 8. FLAW: no keyboard shortcut to open internet explorer, and note using
> Ctrl-e is no longer possible as internet explorer has been separated from
> windows explorer - in particular the favourites menu is inaccessible from
> windows explorer
> (work around: internet explorer - Tools - Internet Options - Tabs
Settings -
> open links from other windows in a new window, change to classic
startmenu,
> and add favorites menu, and then: windows key - a - 1 Google)
>
> 9. FLAW: cannot remove search bar in internet explorer
> (workaround: Microsoft never put an option in the settings for IE 7 to
> disable or remove it, but you can set a registry key to make it go away.
If
> you open this key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Int ernet
> Explorer\Infodelivery\Restrictions, And create a dword value named
> "NoSearchBox" and set it to 1. The search box will be gone. Set it back to
0
> and it will be back again).
>
> 10. FLAW: cannot make a new tab contain a mirror image of a current
windows
> explorer page content; opening a new tab can only either be a 'blank page'
or
> a 'home page'. Where as opening a new internet explorer window always
copies
> the current windows explorer page content.
>
> 11. FLAW: pressing windows key, then pressing alt does not close the start
> menu - this method could be used in win9x, win2k and winxp to bring the
task
> bar on top.
> (workaround: have to press windows key, then press Esc)
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Richard Baxter
>
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
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>
>
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rformance_maintenance

"Richard Baxter" wrote:

> 11. FLAW: pressing windows key, then pressing alt does not close the start
> menu - this method could be used in win9x, win2k and winxp to bring the task
> bar on top.
> (workaround: have to press windows key, then press Esc)

to close the start menu, simply press the WIN key (i.e. WIN key to open it,
WIN key to close it)

and the task bar stays on top? - that would be nice.

--
Richard Baxter


"BillD" wrote:

>
>
> "Richard Baxter" wrote:
>
> > 11. FLAW: pressing windows key, then pressing alt does not close the start
> > menu - this method could be used in win9x, win2k and winxp to bring the task
> > bar on top.
> > (workaround: have to press windows key, then press Esc)
>
> to close the start menu, simply press the WIN key (i.e. WIN key to open it,
> WIN key to close it)

Under this line of logic, will they ever be fixed?

Bugs are bugs - however please be clear if you think any marked bugs are not.

UI backwards incompatibility can be considered a flaw.

--
Richard Baxter


"Mark" wrote:

> Congratulations!
> You've re-identified the most commonly listed "bugs" in Vista.
> You only missed 493 others.
>
> Most vendors (note: I didn't specify software vendors) keep a "bug" list as
> they develop their product. Each "bug" is given some kind of "weight" based
> on what it does. (e.g. Crritically fails, annoys user, function used by less
> than 0.01% of the public, etc.) When the weighted number gets below a
> certain threshold, it can be released to the public.
>
> "Oh, my God... they intentionally released a product with bugs in it?"
>
> Yes, just like cars, houses, phones, most of the games you play, etc.
> You report the problem... they work on a repair and release it to you.
> (If they want to stay in business.)
>
> PS.
> Not working the way you want is not a FLAW or a BUG.
> It's has intentionally been changed.
> (Ever play a game that doesn't use the WSAD format?)
>
> Not knowing how to use what you've bought is not a FLAW or BUG with the
> vendor.
>
>
>
> "Richard Baxter" <RichardBaxter@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:ACA2A289-BC67-423D-BED3-B941BDDC64A1@microsoft.com...
> > This is a list of Windows Vista User Interface (UI) Bugs we need resolved
> > before upgrading from Windows XP. I have also added a list of Flaws I
> think
> > are important (before I use windows Vista personally). These were found
> > within the space of 3 hours when I first used Windows Vista, and had to
> > customise it.
> >
> > 1. CRITICAL BUG: When untick; Start Menu Properties - Keep the taskbar on
> > top of other windows, windows do not always go in front of task bar - this
> > makes this customisation function useless as there are times when you will
> be
> > working on a document and the text you are typing in is not visible as the
> > taskbar lies on top.
> >
> > 2. BUG: task bar dragged from RH side to bottom, task bar no longer
> dragable
> > (workaround: have to lock and unlock taskbar)
> >
> > 3. BUG: Start Menu - clicking 'favourites', then clicking 'recent items'
> > stops showing content.
> > (workaround: need to close and reopen start menu to fix this. This bug
> > assumes favorites menu has been made visible on the start menu)
> >
> > 4. BUG: at a random time, a desktop shortcut icon picture is replaced with
> > the default shortcut icon - same bug as in windows [9x?/]2k/xp
> > (workaround: need to right click on short cut icon - properties - change
> the
> > icon picture to another picture - click apply - click ok - right click on
> > short cut icon - properties - change the icon picture to original
> picture -
> > this workaround has not changed since windows [9x?/]2k)
> >
> > 5. BUG: internet explorer stops showing content
> > (work around: required to be double clicked to show content)
> >
> > 6. BUG: internet explorer crashes
> >
> > 7. FLAW: no 'up' in windows explorer
> > (workaround: have to click on the folder corresponding to the folder one
> > level up within the address bar, making the task of moving up a folder
> > comparatively difficult - requiring extra thinking/memory to locate the
> > folder name on the address bar which corresponds to the folder the user
> > wishes to navigate up to. Alternative work around - have to use alt-up
> arrow
> > keyboard shortcut which is useless as it is out of the way)
> >
> > 8. FLAW: no keyboard shortcut to open internet explorer, and note using
> > Ctrl-e is no longer possible as internet explorer has been separated from
> > windows explorer - in particular the favourites menu is inaccessible from
> > windows explorer
> > (work around: internet explorer - Tools - Internet Options - Tabs
> Settings -
> > open links from other windows in a new window, change to classic
> startmenu,
> > and add favorites menu, and then: windows key - a - 1 Google)
> >
> > 9. FLAW: cannot remove search bar in internet explorer
> > (workaround: Microsoft never put an option in the settings for IE 7 to
> > disable or remove it, but you can set a registry key to make it go away.
> If
> > you open this key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Int ernet
> > Explorer\Infodelivery\Restrictions, And create a dword value named
> > "NoSearchBox" and set it to 1. The search box will be gone. Set it back to
> 0
> > and it will be back again).
> >
> > 10. FLAW: cannot make a new tab contain a mirror image of a current
> windows
> > explorer page content; opening a new tab can only either be a 'blank page'
> or
> > a 'home page'. Where as opening a new internet explorer window always
> copies
> > the current windows explorer page content.
> >
> > 11. FLAW: pressing windows key, then pressing alt does not close the start
> > menu - this method could be used in win9x, win2k and winxp to bring the
> task
> > bar on top.
> > (workaround: have to press windows key, then press Esc)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --
> > Richard Baxter
> >
> >
> > ----------------
> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> this
> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> >
> >
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...ndows.vista.pe
> rformance_maintenance
>
>
>

> Under this line of logic, will they ever be fixed?

Yes, and No.
Yes: That would be the constant barage of updates you receive for both XP
and Vista.
No: We are still getting updates to XP because we still find bugs in it.
And, don't forget, the occasional service pack.

The same applies to your car... ever got a recall? (That would be one of
those "CRITICAL" bugs.)

>
> Bugs are bugs - however please be clear if you think any marked bugs are
not.
>
Your definition of "CRITICAL" is far from critical.
Critical would be operations that stop processing or result in a loss of
data.
e.g. If you have two writeable media installed in your computer _and_
have unhidden all files _and_ remove the 'desktop.ini' file from your burn
folder leaving only one file or folder to burn while under the Live
Mastering option, then the disk will not write because it cannot determine
which Burn folder to use.
There is no workaround other than leaving the useless 'desktop.ini' file to
be burned also. That's a bug.

Instead, your idea of "CRITICAL" is nothing more than a "User Annoyance."
Bug #6 that you point is would be a far higher priority than #1, but you
don't provide any details leading up to the event, so it cannot be repaired
or duplicated.

> UI backwards incompatibility can be considered a flaw.
>

On that basis, we should still have floorboard starters and dimmer switches
for our cars, our phones should be able to be double-tapped to pick up a
party line, our 3.8GHz quad processors with SLI video technology should be
able to play King's Quest, and we should still be getting updates for
Windows 3.1. At some point, the vendor takes a gamble and removes what they
deem as preventing progress. It's not a flaw.


Regarding your list of BUGS and FLAWS: (beyond my comments above)
#8:
Learn to use what you bought before you complain it's not there.
Explorer:

http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...033.mspx#ECFAC
Internet Explorer:

http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...0c1033.mspx#EG
Mail:

http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...2a4ea1033.mspx
Make your own shortcuts:

http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...862391033.mspx

e.g. Windows Logo Key + E = Explorer
Ctrl + I = Open Favorites

#11:
To close the Start Menu:
Use the thingy under your hand that you used to open it.
Just click anywhere not on the menu, or press the ESC key by itself.
(Just like XP and before.)

In general, there are a lot more shortcut key provided than before. They
needed some organization.



> --
> Richard Baxter

"Richard Baxter" <RichardBaxter@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BAC55D5B-753A-4A1C-9A20-796FEEBD579D@microsoft.com...
> Under this line of logic, will they ever be fixed?
>
> Bugs are bugs - however please be clear if you think any marked bugs are
not.
>
> UI backwards incompatibility can be considered a flaw.
>
> --
> Richard Baxter
>
>
> "Mark" wrote:
>
> > Congratulations!
> > You've re-identified the most commonly listed "bugs" in Vista.
> > You only missed 493 others.
> >
> > Most vendors (note: I didn't specify software vendors) keep a "bug" list
as
> > they develop their product. Each "bug" is given some kind of "weight"
based
> > on what it does. (e.g. Crritically fails, annoys user, function used by
less
> > than 0.01% of the public, etc.) When the weighted number gets below a
> > certain threshold, it can be released to the public.
> >
> > "Oh, my God... they intentionally released a product with bugs in it?"
> >
> > Yes, just like cars, houses, phones, most of the games you play, etc.
> > You report the problem... they work on a repair and release it to you.
> > (If they want to stay in business.)
> >
> > PS.
> > Not working the way you want is not a FLAW or a BUG.
> > It's has intentionally been changed.
> > (Ever play a game that doesn't use the WSAD format?)
> >
> > Not knowing how to use what you've bought is not a FLAW or BUG with the
> > vendor.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Richard Baxter" <RichardBaxter@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
> > news:ACA2A289-BC67-423D-BED3-B941BDDC64A1@microsoft.com...
> > > This is a list of Windows Vista User Interface (UI) Bugs we need
resolved
> > > before upgrading from Windows XP. I have also added a list of Flaws I
> > think
> > > are important (before I use windows Vista personally). These were
found
> > > within the space of 3 hours when I first used Windows Vista, and had
to
> > > customise it.
> > >
> > > 1. CRITICAL BUG: When untick; Start Menu Properties - Keep the taskbar
on
> > > top of other windows, windows do not always go in front of task bar -
this
> > > makes this customisation function useless as there are times when you
will
> > be
> > > working on a document and the text you are typing in is not visible as
the
> > > taskbar lies on top.
> > >
> > > 2. BUG: task bar dragged from RH side to bottom, task bar no longer
> > dragable
> > > (workaround: have to lock and unlock taskbar)
> > >
> > > 3. BUG: Start Menu - clicking 'favourites', then clicking 'recent
items'
> > > stops showing content.
> > > (workaround: need to close and reopen start menu to fix this. This bug
> > > assumes favorites menu has been made visible on the start menu)
> > >
> > > 4. BUG: at a random time, a desktop shortcut icon picture is replaced
with
> > > the default shortcut icon - same bug as in windows [9x?/]2k/xp
> > > (workaround: need to right click on short cut icon - properties -
change
> > the
> > > icon picture to another picture - click apply - click ok - right click
on
> > > short cut icon - properties - change the icon picture to original
> > picture -
> > > this workaround has not changed since windows [9x?/]2k)
> > >
> > > 5. BUG: internet explorer stops showing content
> > > (work around: required to be double clicked to show content)
> > >
> > > 6. BUG: internet explorer crashes
> > >
> > > 7. FLAW: no 'up' in windows explorer
> > > (workaround: have to click on the folder corresponding to the folder
one
> > > level up within the address bar, making the task of moving up a folder
> > > comparatively difficult - requiring extra thinking/memory to locate
the
> > > folder name on the address bar which corresponds to the folder the
user
> > > wishes to navigate up to. Alternative work around - have to use alt-up
> > arrow
> > > keyboard shortcut which is useless as it is out of the way)
> > >
> > > 8. FLAW: no keyboard shortcut to open internet explorer, and note
using
> > > Ctrl-e is no longer possible as internet explorer has been separated
from
> > > windows explorer - in particular the favourites menu is inaccessible
from
> > > windows explorer
> > > (work around: internet explorer - Tools - Internet Options - Tabs
> > Settings -
> > > open links from other windows in a new window, change to classic
> > startmenu,
> > > and add favorites menu, and then: windows key - a - 1 Google)
> > >
> > > 9. FLAW: cannot remove search bar in internet explorer
> > > (workaround: Microsoft never put an option in the settings for IE 7
to
> > > disable or remove it, but you can set a registry key to make it go
away.
> > If
> > > you open this key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Int ernet
> > > Explorer\Infodelivery\Restrictions, And create a dword value named
> > > "NoSearchBox" and set it to 1. The search box will be gone. Set it
back to
> > 0
> > > and it will be back again).
> > >
> > > 10. FLAW: cannot make a new tab contain a mirror image of a current
> > windows
> > > explorer page content; opening a new tab can only either be a 'blank
page'
> > or
> > > a 'home page'. Where as opening a new internet explorer window always
> > copies
> > > the current windows explorer page content.
> > >
> > > 11. FLAW: pressing windows key, then pressing alt does not close the
start
> > > menu - this method could be used in win9x, win2k and winxp to bring
the
> > task
> > > bar on top.
> > > (workaround: have to press windows key, then press Esc)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Richard Baxter
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------
> > > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> > > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
the "I
> > > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
follow
> > this
> > > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
then
> > > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> > >
> > >
> >
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...ndows.vista.pe
> > rformance_maintenance
> >
> >
> >

dude i don’t get the car analogy. there is more than one kind of car on the
road - and each car company releases a new model ever year. the same
difference applies for backwards compatibility.

#1 the feature doesn’t work - take it out or fix it. (The topic is UI bugs -
how much more critical can a UI bug get?)

#8 Thanks for the info link on personalising shortcut keys - this looks
possible. (Thanks I had found some of the other links when I was looking for
an IE shortcut)
... I had to use Vista on another persons computer. And we (company) may be
forced to upgrade in the future.

#11 mouse assumption...


--
Richard Baxter


"Mark" wrote:

> > Under this line of logic, will they ever be fixed?
>
> Yes, and No.
> Yes: That would be the constant barage of updates you receive for both XP
> and Vista.
> No: We are still getting updates to XP because we still find bugs in it.
> And, don't forget, the occasional service pack.
>
> The same applies to your car... ever got a recall? (That would be one of
> those "CRITICAL" bugs.)
>
> >
> > Bugs are bugs - however please be clear if you think any marked bugs are
> not.
> >
> Your definition of "CRITICAL" is far from critical.
> Critical would be operations that stop processing or result in a loss of
> data.
> e.g. If you have two writeable media installed in your computer _and_
> have unhidden all files _and_ remove the 'desktop.ini' file from your burn
> folder leaving only one file or folder to burn while under the Live
> Mastering option, then the disk will not write because it cannot determine
> which Burn folder to use.
> There is no workaround other than leaving the useless 'desktop.ini' file to
> be burned also. That's a bug.
>
> Instead, your idea of "CRITICAL" is nothing more than a "User Annoyance."
> Bug #6 that you point is would be a far higher priority than #1, but you
> don't provide any details leading up to the event, so it cannot be repaired
> or duplicated.
>
> > UI backwards incompatibility can be considered a flaw.
> >
>
> On that basis, we should still have floorboard starters and dimmer switches
> for our cars, our phones should be able to be double-tapped to pick up a
> party line, our 3.8GHz quad processors with SLI video technology should be
> able to play King's Quest, and we should still be getting updates for
> Windows 3.1. At some point, the vendor takes a gamble and removes what they
> deem as preventing progress. It's not a flaw.
>
>
> Regarding your list of BUGS and FLAWS: (beyond my comments above)
> #8:
> Learn to use what you bought before you complain it's not there.
> Explorer:
>
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...033.mspx#ECFAC
> Internet Explorer:
>
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...0c1033.mspx#EG
> Mail:
>
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...2a4ea1033.mspx
> Make your own shortcuts:
>
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...862391033.mspx
>
> e.g. Windows Logo Key + E = Explorer
> Ctrl + I = Open Favorites
>
> #11:
> To close the Start Menu:
> Use the thingy under your hand that you used to open it.
> Just click anywhere not on the menu, or press the ESC key by itself.
> (Just like XP and before.)
>
> In general, there are a lot more shortcut key provided than before. They
> needed some organization.
>
>
>
> > --
> > Richard Baxter
>
> "Richard Baxter" <RichardBaxter@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:BAC55D5B-753A-4A1C-9A20-796FEEBD579D@microsoft.com...
> > Under this line of logic, will they ever be fixed?
> >
> > Bugs are bugs - however please be clear if you think any marked bugs are
> not.
> >
> > UI backwards incompatibility can be considered a flaw.
> >
> > --
> > Richard Baxter
> >
> >
> > "Mark" wrote:
> >
> > > Congratulations!
> > > You've re-identified the most commonly listed "bugs" in Vista.
> > > You only missed 493 others.
> > >
> > > Most vendors (note: I didn't specify software vendors) keep a "bug" list
> as
> > > they develop their product. Each "bug" is given some kind of "weight"
> based
> > > on what it does. (e.g. Crritically fails, annoys user, function used by
> less
> > > than 0.01% of the public, etc.) When the weighted number gets below a
> > > certain threshold, it can be released to the public.
> > >
> > > "Oh, my God... they intentionally released a product with bugs in it?"
> > >
> > > Yes, just like cars, houses, phones, most of the games you play, etc.
> > > You report the problem... they work on a repair and release it to you.
> > > (If they want to stay in business.)
> > >
> > > PS.
> > > Not working the way you want is not a FLAW or a BUG.
> > > It's has intentionally been changed.
> > > (Ever play a game that doesn't use the WSAD format?)
> > >
> > > Not knowing how to use what you've bought is not a FLAW or BUG with the
> > > vendor.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Richard Baxter" <RichardBaxter@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message
> > > news:ACA2A289-BC67-423D-BED3-B941BDDC64A1@microsoft.com...
> > > > This is a list of Windows Vista User Interface (UI) Bugs we need
> resolved
> > > > before upgrading from Windows XP. I have also added a list of Flaws I
> > > think
> > > > are important (before I use windows Vista personally). These were
> found
> > > > within the space of 3 hours when I first used Windows Vista, and had
> to
> > > > customise it.
> > > >
> > > > 1. CRITICAL BUG: When untick; Start Menu Properties - Keep the taskbar
> on
> > > > top of other windows, windows do not always go in front of task bar -
> this
> > > > makes this customisation function useless as there are times when you
> will
> > > be
> > > > working on a document and the text you are typing in is not visible as
> the
> > > > taskbar lies on top.
> > > >
> > > > 2. BUG: task bar dragged from RH side to bottom, task bar no longer
> > > dragable
> > > > (workaround: have to lock and unlock taskbar)
> > > >
> > > > 3. BUG: Start Menu - clicking 'favourites', then clicking 'recent
> items'
> > > > stops showing content.
> > > > (workaround: need to close and reopen start menu to fix this. This bug
> > > > assumes favorites menu has been made visible on the start menu)
> > > >
> > > > 4. BUG: at a random time, a desktop shortcut icon picture is replaced
> with
> > > > the default shortcut icon - same bug as in windows [9x?/]2k/xp
> > > > (workaround: need to right click on short cut icon - properties -
> change
> > > the
> > > > icon picture to another picture - click apply - click ok - right click
> on
> > > > short cut icon - properties - change the icon picture to original
> > > picture -
> > > > this workaround has not changed since windows [9x?/]2k)
> > > >
> > > > 5. BUG: internet explorer stops showing content
> > > > (work around: required to be double clicked to show content)
> > > >
> > > > 6. BUG: internet explorer crashes
> > > >
> > > > 7. FLAW: no 'up' in windows explorer
> > > > (workaround: have to click on the folder corresponding to the folder
> one
> > > > level up within the address bar, making the task of moving up a folder
> > > > comparatively difficult - requiring extra thinking/memory to locate
> the
> > > > folder name on the address bar which corresponds to the folder the
> user
> > > > wishes to navigate up to. Alternative work around - have to use alt-up
> > > arrow
> > > > keyboard shortcut which is useless as it is out of the way)
> > > >
> > > > 8. FLAW: no keyboard shortcut to open internet explorer, and note
> using
> > > > Ctrl-e is no longer possible as internet explorer has been separated
> from
> > > > windows explorer - in particular the favourites menu is inaccessible
> from
> > > > windows explorer
> > > > (work around: internet explorer - Tools - Internet Options - Tabs
> > > Settings -
> > > > open links from other windows in a new window, change to classic
> > > startmenu,
> > > > and add favorites menu, and then: windows key - a - 1 Google)
> > > >
> > > > 9. FLAW: cannot remove search bar in internet explorer
> > > > (workaround: Microsoft never put an option in the settings for IE 7
> to
> > > > disable or remove it, but you can set a registry key to make it go
> away.
> > > If
> > > > you open this key:
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Int ernet
> > > > Explorer\Infodelivery\Restrictions, And create a dword value named
> > > > "NoSearchBox" and set it to 1. The search box will be gone. Set it
> back to
> > > 0
> > > > and it will be back again).
> > > >
> > > > 10. FLAW: cannot make a new tab contain a mirror image of a current
> > > windows
> > > > explorer page content; opening a new tab can only either be a 'blank
> page'
> > > or
> > > > a 'home page'. Where as opening a new internet explorer window always
> > > copies
> > > > the current windows explorer page content.
> > > >
> > > > 11. FLAW: pressing windows key, then pressing alt does not close the
> start
> > > > menu - this method could be used in win9x, win2k and winxp to bring
> the
> > > task
> > > > bar on top.
> > > > (workaround: have to press windows key, then press Esc)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Richard Baxter
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----------------
> > > > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> > > > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
> the "I
> > > > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
> follow
> > > this
> > > > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
> then
> > > > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...ndows.vista.pe
> > > rformance_maintenance
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>

Car analogy:
Cars are delivered with bugs.
Those that are found by the user get attention and either get "free
service" to repair the defect, or a recall if the defect is critical to
operation of the vehicle.
If you don't notice the bugs, they don't fix them.

From the beginining, I was trying to point out that you are complaining
about cosmetics. They are valid complaints, and most users run across some
of them, so they will get fixed with some time. But, they are not critical
defects that result in a loss of data or system crashes. Until those defects
are fixed, these cosmetics will take a back seat. Until then, you are
constantly reminded of five features (out of millions) that don't really
work, because you want to use them.

Microsoft has released their products knowing they have closer to 500
bugs, but most users will never notice even 1% of them. If they waited until
they were perfect, they would be out of business. The bugs that the general
public runs into the most, screams the loudest about, and can be duplicated
determines the priority for repair. The scary part is this system applies to
almost everything sold, including: medicine, airplanes, etc. Most companies
hope that the cut-off point they chose for their product won't result in
bankruptcy, or worse.

Complaining to the general public via newsgroups about bugs you found
will not get them fixed. You simply cause a lot of angst. Great... now
everybody is upset and still nothing is getting fixed. Instead, try
providing Microsoft with the details of how the bug / flaw is experienced.
Then, give them some time to fix it. Amazingly, this method works well with
most companies. (But, it will take time.)


You did not read all of #11:
If you use a mouse, click anywhere other than the start menu.
If you use the keyboard, press the ESC key (by itself.) There is no need
for multiple keys to close the Start Menu.
It's been that way since Win98.



"Richard Baxter" <RichardBaxter@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2739A730-33D7-461B-A4E8-C02B4F4DBFB9@microsoft.com...
> dude i don't get the car analogy. there is more than one kind of car on
the
> road - and each car company releases a new model ever year. the same
> difference applies for backwards compatibility.
>
> #1 the feature doesn't work - take it out or fix it. (The topic is UI
bugs -
> how much more critical can a UI bug get?)
>
> #8 Thanks for the info link on personalising shortcut keys - this looks
> possible. (Thanks I had found some of the other links when I was looking
for
> an IE shortcut)
> ... I had to use Vista on another persons computer. And we (company) may
be
> forced to upgrade in the future.
>
> #11 mouse assumption...
>
>
> --
> Richard Baxter
>
>
> "Mark" wrote:
>
> > > Under this line of logic, will they ever be fixed?
> >
> > Yes, and No.
> > Yes: That would be the constant barage of updates you receive for
both XP
> > and Vista.
> > No: We are still getting updates to XP because we still find bugs in
it.
> > And, don't forget, the occasional service pack.
> >
> > The same applies to your car... ever got a recall? (That would be one of
> > those "CRITICAL" bugs.)
> >
> > >
> > > Bugs are bugs - however please be clear if you think any marked bugs
are
> > not.
> > >
> > Your definition of "CRITICAL" is far from critical.
> > Critical would be operations that stop processing or result in a loss of
> > data.
> > e.g. If you have two writeable media installed in your computer
_and_
> > have unhidden all files _and_ remove the 'desktop.ini' file from your
burn
> > folder leaving only one file or folder to burn while under the Live
> > Mastering option, then the disk will not write because it cannot
determine
> > which Burn folder to use.
> > There is no workaround other than leaving the useless 'desktop.ini' file
to
> > be burned also. That's a bug.
> >
> > Instead, your idea of "CRITICAL" is nothing more than a "User
Annoyance."
> > Bug #6 that you point is would be a far higher priority than #1, but you
> > don't provide any details leading up to the event, so it cannot be
repaired
> > or duplicated.
> >
> > > UI backwards incompatibility can be considered a flaw.
> > >
> >
> > On that basis, we should still have floorboard starters and dimmer
switches
> > for our cars, our phones should be able to be double-tapped to pick up a
> > party line, our 3.8GHz quad processors with SLI video technology should
be
> > able to play King's Quest, and we should still be getting updates for
> > Windows 3.1. At some point, the vendor takes a gamble and removes what
they
> > deem as preventing progress. It's not a flaw.
> >
> >
> > Regarding your list of BUGS and FLAWS: (beyond my comments above)
> > #8:
> > Learn to use what you bought before you complain it's not there.
> > Explorer:
> >
> >
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...033.mspx#ECFAC
> > Internet Explorer:
> >
> >
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...0c1033.mspx#EG
> > Mail:
> >
> >
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...2a4ea1033.mspx
> > Make your own shortcuts:
> >
> >
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...862391033.mspx
> >
> > e.g. Windows Logo Key + E = Explorer
> > Ctrl + I = Open Favorites
> >
> > #11:
> > To close the Start Menu:
> > Use the thingy under your hand that you used to open it.
> > Just click anywhere not on the menu, or press the ESC key by
itself.
> > (Just like XP and before.)
> >
> > In general, there are a lot more shortcut key provided than before.
They
> > needed some organization.
> >
> >
> >
> > > --
> > > Richard Baxter
> >
> > "Richard Baxter" <RichardBaxter@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
> > news:BAC55D5B-753A-4A1C-9A20-796FEEBD579D@microsoft.com...
> > > Under this line of logic, will they ever be fixed?
> > >
> > > Bugs are bugs - however please be clear if you think any marked bugs
are
> > not.
> > >
> > > UI backwards incompatibility can be considered a flaw.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Richard Baxter
> > >
> > >
> > > "Mark" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Congratulations!
> > > > You've re-identified the most commonly listed "bugs" in Vista.
> > > > You only missed 493 others.
> > > >
> > > > Most vendors (note: I didn't specify software vendors) keep a "bug"
list
> > as
> > > > they develop their product. Each "bug" is given some kind of
"weight"
> > based
> > > > on what it does. (e.g. Crritically fails, annoys user, function used
by
> > less
> > > > than 0.01% of the public, etc.) When the weighted number gets below
a
> > > > certain threshold, it can be released to the public.
> > > >
> > > > "Oh, my God... they intentionally released a product with bugs in
it?"
> > > >
> > > > Yes, just like cars, houses, phones, most of the games you play,
etc.
> > > > You report the problem... they work on a repair and release it to
you.
> > > > (If they want to stay in business.)
> > > >
> > > > PS.
> > > > Not working the way you want is not a FLAW or a BUG.
> > > > It's has intentionally been changed.
> > > > (Ever play a game that doesn't use the WSAD format?)
> > > >
> > > > Not knowing how to use what you've bought is not a FLAW or BUG with
the
> > > > vendor.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Richard Baxter" <RichardBaxter@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> > message
> > > > news:ACA2A289-BC67-423D-BED3-B941BDDC64A1@microsoft.com...
> > > > > This is a list of Windows Vista User Interface (UI) Bugs we need
> > resolved
> > > > > before upgrading from Windows XP. I have also added a list of
Flaws I
> > > > think
> > > > > are important (before I use windows Vista personally). These were
> > found
> > > > > within the space of 3 hours when I first used Windows Vista, and
had
> > to
> > > > > customise it.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. CRITICAL BUG: When untick; Start Menu Properties - Keep the
taskbar
> > on
> > > > > top of other windows, windows do not always go in front of task
bar -
> > this
> > > > > makes this customisation function useless as there are times when
you
> > will
> > > > be
> > > > > working on a document and the text you are typing in is not
visible as
> > the
> > > > > taskbar lies on top.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. BUG: task bar dragged from RH side to bottom, task bar no
longer
> > > > dragable
> > > > > (workaround: have to lock and unlock taskbar)
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. BUG: Start Menu - clicking 'favourites', then clicking 'recent
> > items'
> > > > > stops showing content.
> > > > > (workaround: need to close and reopen start menu to fix this. This
bug
> > > > > assumes favorites menu has been made visible on the start menu)
> > > > >
> > > > > 4. BUG: at a random time, a desktop shortcut icon picture is
replaced
> > with
> > > > > the default shortcut icon - same bug as in windows [9x?/]2k/xp
> > > > > (workaround: need to right click on short cut icon - properties -
> > change
> > > > the
> > > > > icon picture to another picture - click apply - click ok - right
click
> > on
> > > > > short cut icon - properties - change the icon picture to original
> > > > picture -
> > > > > this workaround has not changed since windows [9x?/]2k)
> > > > >
> > > > > 5. BUG: internet explorer stops showing content
> > > > > (work around: required to be double clicked to show content)
> > > > >
> > > > > 6. BUG: internet explorer crashes
> > > > >
> > > > > 7. FLAW: no 'up' in windows explorer
> > > > > (workaround: have to click on the folder corresponding to the
folder
> > one
> > > > > level up within the address bar, making the task of moving up a
folder
> > > > > comparatively difficult - requiring extra thinking/memory to
locate
> > the
> > > > > folder name on the address bar which corresponds to the folder the
> > user
> > > > > wishes to navigate up to. Alternative work around - have to use
alt-up
> > > > arrow
> > > > > keyboard shortcut which is useless as it is out of the way)
> > > > >
> > > > > 8. FLAW: no keyboard shortcut to open internet explorer, and note
> > using
> > > > > Ctrl-e is no longer possible as internet explorer has been
separated
> > from
> > > > > windows explorer - in particular the favourites menu is
inaccessible
> > from
> > > > > windows explorer
> > > > > (work around: internet explorer - Tools - Internet Options - Tabs
> > > > Settings -
> > > > > open links from other windows in a new window, change to classic
> > > > startmenu,
> > > > > and add favorites menu, and then: windows key - a - 1 Google)
> > > > >
> > > > > 9. FLAW: cannot remove search bar in internet explorer
> > > > > (workaround: Microsoft never put an option in the settings for IE
7
> > to
> > > > > disable or remove it, but you can set a registry key to make it go
> > away.
> > > > If
> > > > > you open this key:
> > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Int ernet
> > > > > Explorer\Infodelivery\Restrictions, And create a dword value named
> > > > > "NoSearchBox" and set it to 1. The search box will be gone. Set it
> > back to
> > > > 0
> > > > > and it will be back again).
> > > > >
> > > > > 10. FLAW: cannot make a new tab contain a mirror image of a
current
> > > > windows
> > > > > explorer page content; opening a new tab can only either be a
'blank
> > page'
> > > > or
> > > > > a 'home page'. Where as opening a new internet explorer window
always
> > > > copies
> > > > > the current windows explorer page content.
> > > > >
> > > > > 11. FLAW: pressing windows key, then pressing alt does not close
the
> > start
> > > > > menu - this method could be used in win9x, win2k and winxp to
bring
> > the
> > > > task
> > > > > bar on top.
> > > > > (workaround: have to press windows key, then press Esc)
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Richard Baxter
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------------
> > > > > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to
the
> > > > > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion,
click
> > the "I
> > > > > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
> > follow
> > > > this
> > > > > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader
and
> > then
> > > > > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...ndows.vista.pe
> > > > rformance_maintenance
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >

Mark,

Thanks for your detailed reply. OK now I understand where you are coming
from - this makes sense.

I chose to use this forum as this is where I was directed to using the
google search; "windows vista" "submit bug" (maybe by an unreliable source -
http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/Sho...55356&SiteID=1, "How
should we submit bug reports"). I did spend a small amount of time thinking
about how to communicate these bugs to Microsoft (like for instance do they
have an email address nowadays?). I have called Microsoft before and gave
credit card details to have bugs fixed (and later had that money reimbursed)
- but will not do that in this case until Vista is my/our only option.

I actually had a point as well (where I am coming from). These UI bugs are
basic. There are areas of Vista which have obviously never been tested. Eg
Start Menu - Properties - Keep taskbar on top of other windows.

Regarding #11, I did read it cheers mate - this workaround is also in my
original post, the Esc key takes effort as well but I had to use it.

I hope the other bugs get sorted out soon - see ya

--
Richard Baxter


"Mark" wrote:

> Car analogy:
> Cars are delivered with bugs.
> Those that are found by the user get attention and either get "free
> service" to repair the defect, or a recall if the defect is critical to
> operation of the vehicle.
> If you don't notice the bugs, they don't fix them.
>
> From the beginining, I was trying to point out that you are complaining
> about cosmetics. They are valid complaints, and most users run across some
> of them, so they will get fixed with some time. But, they are not critical
> defects that result in a loss of data or system crashes. Until those defects
> are fixed, these cosmetics will take a back seat. Until then, you are
> constantly reminded of five features (out of millions) that don't really
> work, because you want to use them.
>
> Microsoft has released their products knowing they have closer to 500
> bugs, but most users will never notice even 1% of them. If they waited until
> they were perfect, they would be out of business. The bugs that the general
> public runs into the most, screams the loudest about, and can be duplicated
> determines the priority for repair. The scary part is this system applies to
> almost everything sold, including: medicine, airplanes, etc. Most companies
> hope that the cut-off point they chose for their product won't result in
> bankruptcy, or worse.
>
> Complaining to the general public via newsgroups about bugs you found
> will not get them fixed. You simply cause a lot of angst. Great... now
> everybody is upset and still nothing is getting fixed. Instead, try
> providing Microsoft with the details of how the bug / flaw is experienced.
> Then, give them some time to fix it. Amazingly, this method works well with
> most companies. (But, it will take time.)
>
>
> You did not read all of #11:
> If you use a mouse, click anywhere other than the start menu.
> If you use the keyboard, press the ESC key (by itself.) There is no need
> for multiple keys to close the Start Menu.
> It's been that way since Win98.
>
>
>
> "Richard Baxter" <RichardBaxter@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:2739A730-33D7-461B-A4E8-C02B4F4DBFB9@microsoft.com...
> > dude i don't get the car analogy. there is more than one kind of car on
> the
> > road - and each car company releases a new model ever year. the same
> > difference applies for backwards compatibility.
> >
> > #1 the feature doesn't work - take it out or fix it. (The topic is UI
> bugs -
> > how much more critical can a UI bug get?)
> >
> > #8 Thanks for the info link on personalising shortcut keys - this looks
> > possible. (Thanks I had found some of the other links when I was looking
> for
> > an IE shortcut)
> > ... I had to use Vista on another persons computer. And we (company) may
> be
> > forced to upgrade in the future.
> >
> > #11 mouse assumption...
> >
> >
> > --
> > Richard Baxter
> >
> >
> > "Mark" wrote:
> >
> > > > Under this line of logic, will they ever be fixed?
> > >
> > > Yes, and No.
> > > Yes: That would be the constant barage of updates you receive for
> both XP
> > > and Vista.
> > > No: We are still getting updates to XP because we still find bugs in
> it.
> > > And, don't forget, the occasional service pack.
> > >
> > > The same applies to your car... ever got a recall? (That would be one of
> > > those "CRITICAL" bugs.)
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Bugs are bugs - however please be clear if you think any marked bugs
> are
> > > not.
> > > >
> > > Your definition of "CRITICAL" is far from critical.
> > > Critical would be operations that stop processing or result in a loss of
> > > data.
> > > e.g. If you have two writeable media installed in your computer
> _and_
> > > have unhidden all files _and_ remove the 'desktop.ini' file from your
> burn
> > > folder leaving only one file or folder to burn while under the Live
> > > Mastering option, then the disk will not write because it cannot
> determine
> > > which Burn folder to use.
> > > There is no workaround other than leaving the useless 'desktop.ini' file
> to
> > > be burned also. That's a bug.
> > >
> > > Instead, your idea of "CRITICAL" is nothing more than a "User
> Annoyance."
> > > Bug #6 that you point is would be a far higher priority than #1, but you
> > > don't provide any details leading up to the event, so it cannot be
> repaired
> > > or duplicated.
> > >
> > > > UI backwards incompatibility can be considered a flaw.
> > > >
> > >
> > > On that basis, we should still have floorboard starters and dimmer
> switches
> > > for our cars, our phones should be able to be double-tapped to pick up a
> > > party line, our 3.8GHz quad processors with SLI video technology should
> be
> > > able to play King's Quest, and we should still be getting updates for
> > > Windows 3.1. At some point, the vendor takes a gamble and removes what
> they
> > > deem as preventing progress. It's not a flaw.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regarding your list of BUGS and FLAWS: (beyond my comments above)
> > > #8:
> > > Learn to use what you bought before you complain it's not there.
> > > Explorer:
> > >
> > >
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...033.mspx#ECFAC
> > > Internet Explorer:
> > >
> > >
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...0c1033.mspx#EG
> > > Mail:
> > >
> > >
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...2a4ea1033.mspx
> > > Make your own shortcuts:
> > >
> > >
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...862391033.mspx
> > >
> > > e.g. Windows Logo Key + E = Explorer
> > > Ctrl + I = Open Favorites
> > >
> > > #11:
> > > To close the Start Menu:
> > > Use the thingy under your hand that you used to open it.
> > > Just click anywhere not on the menu, or press the ESC key by
> itself.
> > > (Just like XP and before.)
> > >
> > > In general, there are a lot more shortcut key provided than before.
> They
> > > needed some organization.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > --
> > > > Richard Baxter
> > >
> > > "Richard Baxter" <RichardBaxter@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message
> > > news:BAC55D5B-753A-4A1C-9A20-796FEEBD579D@microsoft.com...
> > > > Under this line of logic, will they ever be fixed?
> > > >
> > > > Bugs are bugs - however please be clear if you think any marked bugs
> are
> > > not.
> > > >
> > > > UI backwards incompatibility can be considered a flaw.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Richard Baxter
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Mark" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Congratulations!
> > > > > You've re-identified the most commonly listed "bugs" in Vista.
> > > > > You only missed 493 others.
> > > > >
> > > > > Most vendors (note: I didn't specify software vendors) keep a "bug"
> list
> > > as
> > > > > they develop their product. Each "bug" is given some kind of
> "weight"
> > > based
> > > > > on what it does. (e.g. Crritically fails, annoys user, function used
> by
> > > less
> > > > > than 0.01% of the public, etc.) When the weighted number gets below
> a
> > > > > certain threshold, it can be released to the public.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Oh, my God... they intentionally released a product with bugs in
> it?"
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, just like cars, houses, phones, most of the games you play,
> etc.
> > > > > You report the problem... they work on a repair and release it to
> you.
> > > > > (If they want to stay in business.)
> > > > >
> > > > > PS.
> > > > > Not working the way you want is not a FLAW or a BUG.
> > > > > It's has intentionally been changed.
> > > > > (Ever play a game that doesn't use the WSAD format?)
> > > > >
> > > > > Not knowing how to use what you've bought is not a FLAW or BUG with
> the
> > > > > vendor.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Richard Baxter" <RichardBaxter@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> > > message
> > > > > news:ACA2A289-BC67-423D-BED3-B941BDDC64A1@microsoft.com...
> > > > > > This is a list of Windows Vista User Interface (UI) Bugs we need
> > > resolved
> > > > > > before upgrading from Windows XP. I have also added a list of
> Flaws I
> > > > > think
> > > > > > are important (before I use windows Vista personally). These were
> > > found
> > > > > > within the space of 3 hours when I first used Windows Vista, and
> had
> > > to
> > > > > > customise it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. CRITICAL BUG: When untick; Start Menu Properties - Keep the
> taskbar
> > > on
> > > > > > top of other windows, windows do not always go in front of task
> bar -
> > > this
> > > > > > makes this customisation function useless as there are times when
> you
> > > will
> > > > > be
> > > > > > working on a document and the text you are typing in is not
> visible as
> > > the
> > > > > > taskbar lies on top.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. BUG: task bar dragged from RH side to bottom, task bar no
> longer
> > > > > dragable
> > > > > > (workaround: have to lock and unlock taskbar)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3. BUG: Start Menu - clicking 'favourites', then clicking 'recent
> > > items'
> > > > > > stops showing content.
> > > > > > (workaround: need to close and reopen start menu to fix this. This
> bug
> > > > > > assumes favorites menu has been made visible on the start menu)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 4. BUG: at a random time, a desktop shortcut icon picture is
> replaced
> > > with
> > > > > > the default shortcut icon - same bug as in windows [9x?/]2k/xp
> > > > > > (workaround: need to right click on short cut icon - properties -
> > > change
> > > > > the
> > > > > > icon picture to another picture - click apply - click ok - right
> click
> > > on
> > > > > > short cut icon - properties - change the icon picture to original
> > > > > picture -
> > > > > > this workaround has not changed since windows [9x?/]2k)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 5. BUG: internet explorer stops showing content
> > > > > > (work around: required to be double clicked to show content)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 6. BUG: internet explorer crashes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 7. FLAW: no 'up' in windows explorer
> > > > > > (workaround: have to click on the folder corresponding to the
> folder
> > > one
> > > > > > level up within the address bar, making the task of moving up a
> folder
> > > > > > comparatively difficult - requiring extra thinking/memory to
> locate
> > > the
> > > > > > folder name on the address bar which corresponds to the folder the
> > > user
> > > > > > wishes to navigate up to. Alternative work around - have to use
> alt-up
> > > > > arrow
> > > > > > keyboard shortcut which is useless as it is out of the way)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 8. FLAW: no keyboard shortcut to open internet explorer, and note
> > > using
> > > > > > Ctrl-e is no longer possible as internet explorer has been
> separated
> > > from
> > > > > > windows explorer - in particular the favourites menu is
> inaccessible
> > > from

Its really strange that despite all these bugs my system continues to
work without a hitch.

Am I just lucky or are all the supposed bugs figments of fevered
imaginations.


--
silver