Is the LLTD responder required on XP SP3

See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480 . Hotfix 922120 is listed as
included in SP3.


"Hans-Georg Michna" <hans-georgNoEmailPlease@michna.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:03:51 -0700, Bill wrote:
>
>>Hans-Georg Michna wrote:
>
>>> The real question is whether a Vista PC can see XP SP3
>>> PCs in its network map without the manual LLTD installation.
>
>>In my case the answer is no. The Vista PC did not show any of the XP
>>PCs in its full map view until I performed the manual LLTD install on
>>the XP PCs. After installing LLTD on one XP PC I opened the full map in
>>Vista and that one XP PC was displayed. The other two were not. I then
>>installed LLTD on the other two, opend the full map view and all three
>>XP PCs were displayed.
>
> Bill,
>
> well, that sounds pretty convincing.
>
> So we conclude fairly firmly that Service Pack 3 does not
> contain the LLTD function.
>
> Thanks for the good information!
>
> Hans-Georg
> --
> No mail, please.

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 15:30:26 +0100, "Gordon"
<gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

>Interestingly I bought a new laptop three months ago. I connected it to my
>network, and immediately the XP machine (Pro SP2) was visible, and with
>shared files and folders, by the Vista machine. I did nothing to make it
>happen. it just did.

That's normal. It isn't necessary to install the LLTD Responder on
Windows XP. XP and Vista can see each other and share files and
folders without it.

The only reason to install the LLTD Responder is to have XP appear in
the network topology section of Vista's Network Map. Without it, XP
will appear in the "can not be placed in the map" section of Vista's
Network Map.
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On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:34:09 -0600, Steve Winograd wrote:

>On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 15:30:26 +0100, "Gordon"
><gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

>>Interestingly I bought a new laptop three months ago. I connected it to my
>>network, and immediately the XP machine (Pro SP2) was visible, and with
>>shared files and folders, by the Vista machine. I did nothing to make it
>>happen. it just did.

>That's normal. It isn't necessary to install the LLTD Responder on
>Windows XP. XP and Vista can see each other and share files and
>folders without it.
>
>The only reason to install the LLTD Responder is to have XP appear in
>the network topology section of Vista's Network Map. Without it, XP
>will appear in the "can not be placed in the map" section of Vista's
>Network Map.

We seem to be talking about two different things all the time.
Bill had written about some Windows XP SP3 computers:

>In my case the answer is no. The Vista PC did not show any of
>the XP PCs in its full map view until I performed the manual
>LLTD install on the XP PCs. After installing LLTD on one XP PC I
>opened the full map in Vista and that one XP PC was displayed.
>The other two were not. I then installed LLTD on the other two,
>opend the full map view and all three XP PCs were displayed.

That's pretty clear and unambiguous too. We have two statements
that look conflicting at first sight, but perhaps they really
aren't.

I suppose that Bill was indeed talking about the network map, so
the question remains whether you, Gordon, were also talking
about the network map. I assume you weren't.

Another hypothesis is that LLTD was meant to be included in SP3,
but somehow it didn't work. One question is whether the three
files that can be manually installed are, in fact, already
there, when SP3 is installed. If they aren't, then the SP3 fix
list would be wrong.

Hans-Georg
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"Steve Winograd" <bc070521m@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 15:30:26 +0100, "Gordon"
> <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Interestingly I bought a new laptop three months ago. I connected it to my
>>network, and immediately the XP machine (Pro SP2) was visible, and with
>>shared files and folders, by the Vista machine. I did nothing to make it
>>happen. it just did.
>
> That's normal. It isn't necessary to install the LLTD Responder on
> Windows XP. XP and Vista can see each other and share files and
> folders without it.
>
> The only reason to install the LLTD Responder is to have XP appear in
> the network topology section of Vista's Network Map.

What do you mean by "Network Map"?

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:06:53 +0100, "Gordon"
<gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

>"Steve Winograd" <bc070521m@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:ntaq54hceh6ahq20dato565vnlpmafeja1@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 15:30:26 +0100, "Gordon"
>> <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>Interestingly I bought a new laptop three months ago. I connected it to my
>>>network, and immediately the XP machine (Pro SP2) was visible, and with
>>>shared files and folders, by the Vista machine. I did nothing to make it
>>>happen. it just did.
>>
>> That's normal. It isn't necessary to install the LLTD Responder on
>> Windows XP. XP and Vista can see each other and share files and
>> folders without it.
>>
>> The only reason to install the LLTD Responder is to have XP appear in
>> the network topology section of Vista's Network Map.
>
>What do you mean by "Network Map"?

Click the Start button, click Control Panel > Classic View > Network
and Sharing Center, and click "View full map".
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"Steve Winograd" <bc070521m@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> Click the Start button, click Control Panel > Classic View > Network
> and Sharing Center, and click "View full map".

Thanks for that. I am now confused. What is the point of that? If I can see
and share files on my XP machine from my Vista machine via Start-Network
WITHOUT having installed LLTD on the XP machine, what is the point of the
"full map" for a LAN? Does it actually matter that the XP machine doesn't
show in the full map when it shows quite normally in Start-Network?

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 07:14:18 +0100, "Gordon"
<gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

>"Steve Winograd" <bc070521m@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:qh4r54dcbcff4ir21u7b4it9cdtccne6j3@4ax.com.. .
>>
>> Click the Start button, click Control Panel > Classic View > Network
>> and Sharing Center, and click "View full map".
>
>Thanks for that. I am now confused. What is the point of that? If I can see
>and share files on my XP machine from my Vista machine via Start-Network
>WITHOUT having installed LLTD on the XP machine, what is the point of the
>"full map" for a LAN? Does it actually matter that the XP machine doesn't
>show in the full map when it shows quite normally in Start-Network?

The network map shows the topology of the network: computers,
switches, routers, Internet gateways, and the connections between
them. It might be helpful when troubleshooting the network or
adding/removing devices. It isn't needed for file sharing. It
doesn't matter whether a machine appears in the network map.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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I have spent several hours attempting to get my new Gateway/Vista PC
networked (through my router) to my Sony/XP system--which has two printers
and many old files that I will need. Linksys sent me to Microsoft; Microsoft
sent me to Gateway (as they had installed the Vista), Gateway sent me to
their online help--which gave me the link to needing the LLTD responder. I
typed LLTD responder in and received this site--as well as others.

Can you help me? ~Susan

"Steve Winograd" wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:46:04 -0700, "Bill" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
> >Must I install the LLTD responder on XP SP3 machines to allow a Vista
> >machine to see the XP machines on the network?
>
> The LLTD Responder isn't required on any version of XP. Vista and XP
> can see each other and share files without it.
>
> The only purpose of the LLTD Responder is to allow an XP computer to
> appear in Vista's "Network Map".
> --
> Best Wishes,
> Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
>
> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
> for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
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>

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:48:01 -0700, Susan M. Kline
<SusanMKline@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>I have spent several hours attempting to get my new Gateway/Vista PC
>networked (through my router) to my Sony/XP system--which has two printers
>and many old files that I will need. Linksys sent me to Microsoft; Microsoft
>sent me to Gateway (as they had installed the Vista), Gateway sent me to
>their online help--which gave me the link to needing the LLTD responder. I
>typed LLTD responder in and received this site--as well as others.
>
>Can you help me? ~Susan

Susan,

We will try. But as you may note from perusing the rest of this thread, the
LLTD responder, and the Network Map, are not such an essential or powerful
solution to every network problem.
<http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2008/04/windows-vista-and-network-map.html>
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2008...twork-map.html

I would try to diagnose your problem, using logs from "browstat status",
"ipconfig /all", "net config server", and "net config workstation", from each
computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this article, and linked
articles, and follow instructions precisely (Download browstat, and run all
commands in Vista as an admin.):
<http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005...#AskingForHelp

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Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/

I also have this problem. LLTD ok on Vista & have downloaded the XP version
from MS. However, when attenpting to install, XP SP3 states that it is an
earlier version than that already installed. Yet, 3 XP machines & 1 WHS
Server not showing on map.

Have read the preceding posts, how does one install it manually?

"Steve Winograd" wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 07:14:18 +0100, "Gordon"
> <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> >"Steve Winograd" <bc070521m@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >news:qh4r54dcbcff4ir21u7b4it9cdtccne6j3@4ax.com.. .
> >>
> >> Click the Start button, click Control Panel > Classic View > Network
> >> and Sharing Center, and click "View full map".
> >
> >Thanks for that. I am now confused. What is the point of that? If I can see
> >and share files on my XP machine from my Vista machine via Start-Network
> >WITHOUT having installed LLTD on the XP machine, what is the point of the
> >"full map" for a LAN? Does it actually matter that the XP machine doesn't
> >show in the full map when it shows quite normally in Start-Network?
>
> The network map shows the topology of the network: computers,
> switches, routers, Internet gateways, and the connections between
> them. It might be helpful when troubleshooting the network or
> adding/removing devices. It isn't needed for file sharing. It
> doesn't matter whether a machine appears in the network map.
> --
> Best Wishes,
> Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
>
> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
> for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
> addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.
>
> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>