XP Vista - What am I missing?

This should not be this difficult! However, 3 weeks later and I'm still not
connecting. It seems I've tried about every suggestion I can find. I will
attempt to recapitulate in brief but I'm sure I have forgotten things I've
tried.
I have 2 and printer to a router. One wireless one direct. Another wireless
xp occasionally. Works great no problem. I am trying to get just one to
connect to the Vista. The Vista has been tried both wireless and cable to
router.
Installed the XP responder patch. Created users with identical names and
passwords. Configured NetBios on Vista. Turned off and on TCP layer 6.
Re-setup networking, same workgroup. Enabled sharing, etc. Only windows
firewall, tried both off and on. There is likely more but I have forgotten
now.
They are visible on each others full maps and they ping each other fine. On
the XP when I select the Vista pc I get not accessible, no permission. On
Vista I cannot see the XP except in full map view.
Maybe it's something simple but I am stumped.

I don't have any network at home therefore I will try from memory. At the
office it is a different ballgame.

Forget NetBios. the software will do its job even if NetBios misses its.

I think your Network discovery should be ON.
File Sharing ON.
Public Folder Sharing ON.
Printer sharing -- depends (if you have a printer, then ON)
Password Protected sharing OFF

This should give you pretty much an access to public folders from XP into
Vista.

In order to access folders other than Public you will have to SHARE them at
Vista and indicate the user you want to have assess rights. It is
recommended to give access to a group, not an individual user and "All
Users" should be excluded.

"JDB" <JDB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CAF46A0E-A224-4B5F-975B-F52D5BC54E56@microsoft.com...
> This should not be this difficult! However, 3 weeks later and I'm still
> not
> connecting. It seems I've tried about every suggestion I can find. I will
> attempt to recapitulate in brief but I'm sure I have forgotten things I've
> tried.
> I have 2 and printer to a router. One wireless one direct. Another
> wireless
> xp occasionally. Works great no problem. I am trying to get just one to
> connect to the Vista. The Vista has been tried both wireless and cable to
> router.
> Installed the XP responder patch. Created users with identical names and
> passwords. Configured NetBios on Vista. Turned off and on TCP layer 6.
> Re-setup networking, same workgroup. Enabled sharing, etc. Only windows
> firewall, tried both off and on. There is likely more but I have forgotten
> now.
> They are visible on each others full maps and they ping each other fine.
> On
> the XP when I select the Vista pc I get not accessible, no permission. On
> Vista I cannot see the XP except in full map view.
> Maybe it's something simple but I am stumped.

"AlexB" wrote:

> I don't have any network at home therefore I will try from memory. At the
> office it is a different ballgame.
>
> Forget NetBios. the software will do its job even if NetBios misses its.
>
> I think your Network discovery should be ON.
> File Sharing ON.
> Public Folder Sharing ON.
> Printer sharing -- depends (if you have a printer, then ON)
> Password Protected sharing OFF
>
> This should give you pretty much an access to public folders from XP into
> Vista.
>
> In order to access folders other than Public you will have to SHARE them at
> Vista and indicate the user you want to have assess rights. It is
> recommended to give access to a group, not an individual user and "All
> Users" should be excluded.
>
> "JDB" <JDB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:CAF46A0E-A224-4B5F-975B-F52D5BC54E56@microsoft.com...
> > This should not be this difficult! However, 3 weeks later and I'm still
> > not
> > connecting. It seems I've tried about every suggestion I can find. I will
> > attempt to recapitulate in brief but I'm sure I have forgotten things I've
> > tried.
> > I have 2 and printer to a router. One wireless one direct. Another
> > wireless
> > xp occasionally. Works great no problem. I am trying to get just one to
> > connect to the Vista. The Vista has been tried both wireless and cable to
> > router.
> > Installed the XP responder patch. Created users with identical names and
> > passwords. Configured NetBios on Vista. Turned off and on TCP layer 6.
> > Re-setup networking, same workgroup. Enabled sharing, etc. Only windows
> > firewall, tried both off and on. There is likely more but I have forgotten
> > now.
> > They are visible on each others full maps and they ping each other fine.
> > On
> > the XP when I select the Vista pc I get not accessible, no permission. On
> > Vista I cannot see the XP except in full map view.
> > Maybe it's something simple but I am stumped.
>
>
I did all those things. Those were some of the first things I did. NetBios
came later as it was a possible solution I read about.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb727037.aspx

Have a read of the above link re Vista File and Printer Sharing.
How to give Permissions are there, too.
If you are running Norton, etc’s Firewall, check its settings.

1st thing to do is make sure that the Workgroup Name of ALL the computers is
the SAME.

In Vista Network and Sharing:

Network Discovery: ON (So it can see the other computers)

Network set to Private (Public is for hotspots, airports, etc)

File Sharing: ON

Public Folder Sharing: ON (Vista’s Public Folder is the same as XP’s Shared
Docs)

Password Protected: OFF (unless you want to set up identical usernames and
passwords on ALL computers in your Network) If you have it ON, you will be
asked for a username and password when you try to access a Vista computer
from an XP computer.

Also, run the XP’s Home Network File and Printer sharing Wizard.


"JDB" wrote:

> This should not be this difficult! However, 3 weeks later and I'm still not
> connecting. It seems I've tried about every suggestion I can find. I will
> attempt to recapitulate in brief but I'm sure I have forgotten things I've
> tried.
> I have 2 and printer to a router. One wireless one direct. Another wireless
> xp occasionally. Works great no problem. I am trying to get just one to
> connect to the Vista. The Vista has been tried both wireless and cable to
> router.
> Installed the XP responder patch. Created users with identical names and
> passwords. Configured NetBios on Vista. Turned off and on TCP layer 6.
> Re-setup networking, same workgroup. Enabled sharing, etc. Only windows
> firewall, tried both off and on. There is likely more but I have forgotten
> now.
> They are visible on each others full maps and they ping each other fine. On
> the XP when I select the Vista pc I get not accessible, no permission. On
> Vista I cannot see the XP except in full map view.
> Maybe it's something simple but I am stumped.

Another thing I could think of is that these problems seem to be wireless
routers related for the most part as I can see from many other posts. I will
now focus my attention on it but from what I recall if they have a router
they can see thru it their XP machines but Vista cannot see them or
something.

Could it be that you are using old routers of pre Vissta generation and
there is something wrong with their ability to handle the signals? Could it
be also related to the new Network cards makers are installing on new Vista
machines? Could it be that these new cards do not want to talk to old
routers. Could it be an unconscious desire for the makers of the cards and
routers to force the users to upgrade the entire network? An unconscious in
the sense that making sure that the Network card will be both XP and Vista
compatible is an additional hassle. Perhaps it is more on a conscious level?

It is probably pointless to analyze but the net result is: maybe you need a
new router and what?

"JDB" <JDB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CF4F2F0B-41C2-4F44-90F7-97B8D19FE3B3@microsoft.com...
>
>
> "AlexB" wrote:
>
>> I don't have any network at home therefore I will try from memory. At the
>> office it is a different ballgame.
>>
>> Forget NetBios. the software will do its job even if NetBios misses its.
>>
>> I think your Network discovery should be ON.
>> File Sharing ON.
>> Public Folder Sharing ON.
>> Printer sharing -- depends (if you have a printer, then ON)
>> Password Protected sharing OFF
>>
>> This should give you pretty much an access to public folders from XP into
>> Vista.
>>
>> In order to access folders other than Public you will have to SHARE them
>> at
>> Vista and indicate the user you want to have assess rights. It is
>> recommended to give access to a group, not an individual user and "All
>> Users" should be excluded.
>>
>> "JDB" <JDB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:CAF46A0E-A224-4B5F-975B-F52D5BC54E56@microsoft.com...
>> > This should not be this difficult! However, 3 weeks later and I'm still
>> > not
>> > connecting. It seems I've tried about every suggestion I can find. I
>> > will
>> > attempt to recapitulate in brief but I'm sure I have forgotten things
>> > I've
>> > tried.
>> > I have 2 and printer to a router. One wireless one direct. Another
>> > wireless
>> > xp occasionally. Works great no problem. I am trying to get just one to
>> > connect to the Vista. The Vista has been tried both wireless and cable
>> > to
>> > router.
>> > Installed the XP responder patch. Created users with identical names
>> > and
>> > passwords. Configured NetBios on Vista. Turned off and on TCP layer 6.
>> > Re-setup networking, same workgroup. Enabled sharing, etc. Only windows
>> > firewall, tried both off and on. There is likely more but I have
>> > forgotten
>> > now.
>> > They are visible on each others full maps and they ping each other
>> > fine.
>> > On
>> > the XP when I select the Vista pc I get not accessible, no permission.
>> > On
>> > Vista I cannot see the XP except in full map view.
>> > Maybe it's something simple but I am stumped.
>>
>>
> I did all those things. Those were some of the first things I did.
> NetBios
> came later as it was a possible solution I read about.

"AlexB" wrote:

> Another thing I could think of is that these problems seem to be wireless
> routers related for the most part as I can see from many other posts. I will
> now focus my attention on it but from what I recall if they have a router
> they can see thru it their XP machines but Vista cannot see them or
> something.
>
> Could it be that you are using old routers of pre Vissta generation and
> there is something wrong with their ability to handle the signals? Could it
> be also related to the new Network cards makers are installing on new Vista
> machines? Could it be that these new cards do not want to talk to old
> routers. Could it be an unconscious desire for the makers of the cards and
> routers to force the users to upgrade the entire network? An unconscious in
> the sense that making sure that the Network card will be both XP and Vista
> compatible is an additional hassle. Perhaps it is more on a conscious level?
>
> It is probably pointless to analyze but the net result is: maybe you need a
> new router and what?
>
You are correct that the router is older. However it had no problem with
allowing the Vista machine to connect to the internet either wireless or
cabled. And it does see the XP machine in full map view.

"Mick Murphy" wrote:

> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb727037.aspx
>
> Have a read of the above link re Vista File and Printer Sharing.
> How to give Permissions are there, too.
> If you are running Norton, etc’s Firewall, check its settings.
>
> 1st thing to do is make sure that the Workgroup Name of ALL the computers is
> the SAME.
>
> In Vista Network and Sharing:
>
> Network Discovery: ON (So it can see the other computers)
>
> Network set to Private (Public is for hotspots, airports, etc)
>
> File Sharing: ON
>
> Public Folder Sharing: ON (Vista’s Public Folder is the same as XP’s Shared
> Docs)
>
> Password Protected: OFF (unless you want to set up identical usernames and
> passwords on ALL computers in your Network) If you have it ON, you will be
> asked for a username and password when you try to access a Vista computer
> from an XP computer.
>
> Also, run the XP’s Home Network File and Printer sharing Wizard.
>
>
I have already done all this. But I re-checked and did it again. Made no
difference. Internet connection through the router is fine and can still see
the xp in full map view but nowhere else.

At the office I do have a LAN although not wireless. My Vista connects to
other Vistas with no problem, like it is one computer. However, on one
machine I do have two partitions and one of them is Win2K. When my secretary
switches to that I still can connect but I have to go thru so many motions,
giving passwords, etc that I often give up and ask her to switch to Vista.

"JDB" <JDB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:FC4AC541-D741-4D61-B64D-3BDBC8F949A8@microsoft.com...
>
>
> "AlexB" wrote:
>
>> Another thing I could think of is that these problems seem to be wireless
>> routers related for the most part as I can see from many other posts. I
>> will
>> now focus my attention on it but from what I recall if they have a router
>> they can see thru it their XP machines but Vista cannot see them or
>> something.
>>
>> Could it be that you are using old routers of pre Vissta generation and
>> there is something wrong with their ability to handle the signals? Could
>> it
>> be also related to the new Network cards makers are installing on new
>> Vista
>> machines? Could it be that these new cards do not want to talk to old
>> routers. Could it be an unconscious desire for the makers of the cards
>> and
>> routers to force the users to upgrade the entire network? An unconscious
>> in
>> the sense that making sure that the Network card will be both XP and
>> Vista
>> compatible is an additional hassle. Perhaps it is more on a conscious
>> level?
>>
>> It is probably pointless to analyze but the net result is: maybe you need
>> a
>> new router and what?
>>
> You are correct that the router is older. However it had no problem with
> allowing the Vista machine to connect to the internet either wireless or
> cabled. And it does see the XP machine in full map view.

OK, one more idea. You should check your Windows Firewall Settings. There is
an option under Change Settings. t says: Block all incoming connections.
Kind of a long shot given the fact that you do see you computer layouts but
still.

"JDB" <JDB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CAF46A0E-A224-4B5F-975B-F52D5BC54E56@microsoft.com...
> This should not be this difficult! However, 3 weeks later and I'm still
> not
> connecting. It seems I've tried about every suggestion I can find. I will
> attempt to recapitulate in brief but I'm sure I have forgotten things I've
> tried.
> I have 2 and printer to a router. One wireless one direct. Another
> wireless
> xp occasionally. Works great no problem. I am trying to get just one to
> connect to the Vista. The Vista has been tried both wireless and cable to
> router.
> Installed the XP responder patch. Created users with identical names and
> passwords. Configured NetBios on Vista. Turned off and on TCP layer 6.
> Re-setup networking, same workgroup. Enabled sharing, etc. Only windows
> firewall, tried both off and on. There is likely more but I have forgotten
> now.
> They are visible on each others full maps and they ping each other fine.
> On
> the XP when I select the Vista pc I get not accessible, no permission. On
> Vista I cannot see the XP except in full map view.
> Maybe it's something simple but I am stumped.

I did this too. Thanks for trying to help out on this. Frustration set in and
I downloaded and installed a trial of Network Magic. Set up and FULLY
connected in minutes! How can this be? Microsoft can't get their own systems
to recognize each other. And vista has been out for a year. This is really
bizarre. I've been running my own and helping others with their computers for
long enough to know something ain't right here.
Oh well, I do appreciate those who tried to help on this.

"alexB" wrote:

> OK, one more idea. You should check your Windows Firewall Settings. There is
> an option under Change Settings. t says: Block all incoming connections.
> Kind of a long shot given the fact that you do see you computer layouts but
> still.
>
> "JDB" <JDB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:CAF46A0E-A224-4B5F-975B-F52D5BC54E56@microsoft.com...
> > This should not be this difficult! However, 3 weeks later and I'm still
> > not
> > connecting. It seems I've tried about every suggestion I can find. I will
> > attempt to recapitulate in brief but I'm sure I have forgotten things I've
> > tried.
> > I have 2 and printer to a router. One wireless one direct. Another
> > wireless
> > xp occasionally. Works great no problem. I am trying to get just one to
> > connect to the Vista. The Vista has been tried both wireless and cable to
> > router.
> > Installed the XP responder patch. Created users with identical names and
> > passwords. Configured NetBios on Vista. Turned off and on TCP layer 6.
> > Re-setup networking, same workgroup. Enabled sharing, etc. Only windows
> > firewall, tried both off and on. There is likely more but I have forgotten
> > now.
> > They are visible on each others full maps and they ping each other fine.
> > On
> > the XP when I select the Vista pc I get not accessible, no permission. On
> > Vista I cannot see the XP except in full map view.
> > Maybe it's something simple but I am stumped.
>
>