Vista/XP networking problems

I've read many of the posts on this board, but I'm still unable to solve my
network woes.

Windows XP desktop: installed SP2 and LLTD protocol
Windows Vista laptop: configured as specified in this forum
Both computers share the same work group

Status:
XP can see Vista but cannot access files: "Access denied"
Vista can see XP computer when clicking 'View full map' but cannot see the
computer when exploring the 'Network' tab.

Any thoughts on next steps?

Some questions that will help in troubleshooting.

What versions of XP and Vista?

Do you have the same user account and password on both computers?

What firewalls are on both computers?

What is the location of the files you are trying to share on the Vista
computer?

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


"Jason" <Jason@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C1985E7E-E524-42DF-970C-BD500FF98780@microsoft.com...
> I've read many of the posts on this board, but I'm still unable to solve
> my
> network woes.
>
> Windows XP desktop: installed SP2 and LLTD protocol
> Windows Vista laptop: configured as specified in this forum
> Both computers share the same work group
>
> Status:
> XP can see Vista but cannot access files: "Access denied"
> Vista can see XP computer when clicking 'View full map' but cannot see the
> computer when exploring the 'Network' tab.
>
> Any thoughts on next steps?

XP home edition
Vista Home Premium

There are three accounts on each computer. Two of the accounts are
identical on each computer; the third one is different.

Firewalls are disabled on both computers.

For now, I'm only using the Public folder on the Vista computer to share
files. If I can make that work it would be good enough.

"Kerry Brown" wrote:

> Some questions that will help in troubleshooting.
>
> What versions of XP and Vista?
>
> Do you have the same user account and password on both computers?
>
> What firewalls are on both computers?
>
> What is the location of the files you are trying to share on the Vista
> computer?
>
> --
> Kerry Brown
> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>
>
> "Jason" <Jason@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:C1985E7E-E524-42DF-970C-BD500FF98780@microsoft.com...
> > I've read many of the posts on this board, but I'm still unable to solve
> > my
> > network woes.
> >
> > Windows XP desktop: installed SP2 and LLTD protocol
> > Windows Vista laptop: configured as specified in this forum
> > Both computers share the same work group
> >
> > Status:
> > XP can see Vista but cannot access files: "Access denied"
> > Vista can see XP computer when clicking 'View full map' but cannot see the
> > computer when exploring the 'Network' tab.
> >
> > Any thoughts on next steps?
>

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb727037.aspx

Have a read of the above link re Vista File and Printer Sharing.
How to give Permissions are there, too.

1st thing to do is make sure that the Workgroup Name of ALL the computers is
the SAME.

In Vista Network and Sharing:

Network Discovery: ON (So it can see the other computers)

Network set to Private (Public is for hotspots, airports, etc)

File Sharing: ON

Public Folder Sharing: ON (Vista’s Public Folder is the same as XP’s Shared
Docs)

Password Protected: OFF (unless you want to set up identical usernames and
passwords on ALL computers in your Network) If you have it ON, you will be
asked for a username and password when you try to access a Vista computer
from an XP computer.

Also, run the XP’s Home Network File and Printer sharing Wizard.


"Jason" wrote:

> I've read many of the posts on this board, but I'm still unable to solve my
> network woes.
>
> Windows XP desktop: installed SP2 and LLTD protocol
> Windows Vista laptop: configured as specified in this forum
> Both computers share the same work group
>
> Status:
> XP can see Vista but cannot access files: "Access denied"
> Vista can see XP computer when clicking 'View full map' but cannot see the
> computer when exploring the 'Network' tab.
>
> Any thoughts on next steps?

Thanks Mick. Unfortunately there was no new info in the article which could
solve my problem. I already have all of my settings as specified in the
article along with what you recommended.

The unusual part is that my Vista PC can see my XP PC when I click 'View
Full Map', but it doesn't show the XP PC when I browse 'Network'.

"Mick Murphy" wrote:

> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb727037.aspx
>
> Have a read of the above link re Vista File and Printer Sharing.
> How to give Permissions are there, too.
>
> 1st thing to do is make sure that the Workgroup Name of ALL the computers is
> the SAME.
>
> In Vista Network and Sharing:
>
> Network Discovery: ON (So it can see the other computers)
>
> Network set to Private (Public is for hotspots, airports, etc)
>
> File Sharing: ON
>
> Public Folder Sharing: ON (Vista’s Public Folder is the same as XP’s Shared
> Docs)
>
> Password Protected: OFF (unless you want to set up identical usernames and
> passwords on ALL computers in your Network) If you have it ON, you will be
> asked for a username and password when you try to access a Vista computer
> from an XP computer.
>
> Also, run the XP’s Home Network File and Printer sharing Wizard.
>
>
> "Jason" wrote:
>
> > I've read many of the posts on this board, but I'm still unable to solve my
> > network woes.
> >
> > Windows XP desktop: installed SP2 and LLTD protocol
> > Windows Vista laptop: configured as specified in this forum
> > Both computers share the same work group
> >
> > Status:
> > XP can see Vista but cannot access files: "Access denied"
> > Vista can see XP computer when clicking 'View full map' but cannot see the
> > computer when exploring the 'Network' tab.
> >
> > Any thoughts on next steps?

On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:02:01 -0800, Jason <Jason@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote:

>I've read many of the posts on this board, but I'm still unable to solve my
>network woes.
>
>Windows XP desktop: installed SP2 and LLTD protocol
>Windows Vista laptop: configured as specified in this forum
>Both computers share the same work group
>
>Status:
>XP can see Vista but cannot access files: "Access denied"
>Vista can see XP computer when clicking 'View full map' but cannot see the
>computer when exploring the 'Network' tab.
>
>Any thoughts on next steps?

Jason,

The "... access denied ..." error is very versatile.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/mysterious-error-5-aka-access-denied.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ss-denied.html

I'd start by diagnosing the network setup, using logs from "browstat status",
"ipconfig /all", "net config server", and "net config workstation", from each
computer. Read this article, and linked articles, and follow instructions
precisely (Download browstat, and read how to run the Vista command window as
administrator!):
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...#AskingForHelp

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

Thanks chuck.

Here are my Vista settings:


Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Davis-Laptop
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-1B-38-5F-CD-80
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Wireless LAN adapter Wireless Network Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Atheros AR5007EG Wireless Network
Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-1D-D9-5E-02-2A
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::1d5f:9fda:d0e6:d27%8(Preferred)
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.102(Preferred)
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, December 25, 2007 11:50:03 AM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:50:03
AM
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DHCPv6 IAID . . . . . . . . . . . : 167778686
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 68.87.64.146
68.87.75.194
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 6:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . :
isatap.{06BF1744-9144-48C7-8B25-1013D9CC2663}
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::5efe:192.168.1.102%10(Preferred)
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 68.87.64.146
68.87.75.194
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 7:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . :
isatap.{13CDFF80-1126-4C42-BFDA-CF21C68B1754}
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 9:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 02-00-54-55-4E-01
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IPv6 Address. . . . . . . . . . . :
2001:0:4136:e390:3c7d:28ec:3f57:fe99(Preferred)
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . :
fe80::3c7d:28ec:3f57:fe99%12(Preferred)
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : ::
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled




Status for domain DAVIS on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{06BF1744-9144-48C7-8B25-1013D9CC2663}
Browsing is NOT active on domain.
Master name cannot be determined from GetAdapterStatus.

net config server will not run. access denied, error = 5

I will post my XP setting separately.

At a first glance, I couldn't debug the problem, but I will keep reading
your website to see if I can figure this out.




"Chuck [MVP]" wrote:

> On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:02:01 -0800, Jason <Jason@discussions.microsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I've read many of the posts on this board, but I'm still unable to solve my
> >network woes.
> >
> >Windows XP desktop: installed SP2 and LLTD protocol
> >Windows Vista laptop: configured as specified in this forum
> >Both computers share the same work group
> >
> >Status:
> >XP can see Vista but cannot access files: "Access denied"
> >Vista can see XP computer when clicking 'View full map' but cannot see the
> >computer when exploring the 'Network' tab.
> >
> >Any thoughts on next steps?
>
> Jason,
>
> The "... access denied ..." error is very versatile.
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/mysterious-error-5-aka-access-denied.html>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ss-denied.html
>
> I'd start by diagnosing the network setup, using logs from "browstat status",
> "ipconfig /all", "net config server", and "net config workstation", from each
> computer. Read this article, and linked articles, and follow instructions
> precisely (Download browstat, and read how to run the Vista command window as
> administrator!):
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...#AskingForHelp
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck mvps org.
>

Here are my XP settings:


Windows IP Configuration



Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : OFFICE

Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :

Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No



Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:



Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast
Ethernet NIC

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0E-A6-4B-8C-C5



Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection 7:



Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : NETGEAR WG111v2 54Mbps Wireless
USB 2.0 Adapter

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-18-4D-FD-F1-C2

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes

Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.100

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1

DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 68.87.64.146

68.87.75.194

Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Wednesday, December 26, 2007
8:32:36 AM

Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Thursday, December 27, 2007
8:32:36 AM



Status for domain DAVIS on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{1241E8B3-8382-42D6-A808-FC2C840389A1}
Browsing is NOT active on domain.
Master name cannot be determined from GetAdapterStatus.


Server Name \\OFFICE
Server Comment Davis Family Computer

Software version Windows 2002
Server is active on
NetbiosSmb (000000000000)
NetBT_Tcpip_{1241E8B3-8382-42D6-A808-FC2C840389A1} (00184dfdf1c2)


Server hidden No
Maximum Logged On Users 5
Maximum open files per session 16384

Idle session time (min) 15
The command completed successfully.



"Chuck [MVP]" wrote:

> On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:02:01 -0800, Jason <Jason@discussions.microsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I've read many of the posts on this board, but I'm still unable to solve my
> >network woes.
> >
> >Windows XP desktop: installed SP2 and LLTD protocol
> >Windows Vista laptop: configured as specified in this forum
> >Both computers share the same work group
> >
> >Status:
> >XP can see Vista but cannot access files: "Access denied"
> >Vista can see XP computer when clicking 'View full map' but cannot see the
> >computer when exploring the 'Network' tab.
> >
> >Any thoughts on next steps?
>
> Jason,
>
> The "... access denied ..." error is very versatile.
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/mysterious-error-5-aka-access-denied.html>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ss-denied.html
>
> I'd start by diagnosing the network setup, using logs from "browstat status",
> "ipconfig /all", "net config server", and "net config workstation", from each
> computer. Read this article, and linked articles, and follow instructions
> precisely (Download browstat, and read how to run the Vista command window as
> administrator!):
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...#AskingForHelp
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck mvps org.
>

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 05:48:01 -0800, Jason <Jason@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote:

>Here are my XP settings:
>
>
>Windows IP Configuration
>
>
>
> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : OFFICE
>
> Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
>
> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
>
> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>
> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>
>
>
>Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
>
>
>
> Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
>
> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast
>Ethernet NIC
>
> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0E-A6-4B-8C-C5
>
>
>
>Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection 7:
>
>
>
> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
>
> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : NETGEAR WG111v2 54Mbps Wireless
>USB 2.0 Adapter
>
> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-18-4D-FD-F1-C2
>
> Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
>
> Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
>
> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.100
>
> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>
> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
>
> DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
>
> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 68.87.64.146
>
> 68.87.75.194
>
> Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Wednesday, December 26, 2007
>8:32:36 AM
>
> Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Thursday, December 27, 2007
>8:32:36 AM
>
>
>
>Status for domain DAVIS on transport
>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{1241E8B3-8382-42D6-A808-FC2C840389A1}
> Browsing is NOT active on domain.
> Master name cannot be determined from GetAdapterStatus.
>
>
>Server Name \\OFFICE
>Server Comment Davis Family Computer
>
>Software version Windows 2002
>Server is active on
> NetbiosSmb (000000000000)
> NetBT_Tcpip_{1241E8B3-8382-42D6-A808-FC2C840389A1} (00184dfdf1c2)
>
>
>Server hidden No
>Maximum Logged On Users 5
>Maximum open files per session 16384
>
>Idle session time (min) 15
>The command completed successfully.

OK, Jason,

Let's start with the browstat logs.
> Browsing is NOT active on domain.

That's not the problem, but that's a good descriptive symptom. That's why you
can't see one computer from the other.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...lways-see.html

The browser requires NetBT. I don't see any indication that it's not active, on
both computers. For instance,
>Server is active on
> NetbiosSmb (000000000000)
> NetBT_Tcpip_{1241E8B3-8382-42D6-A808-FC2C840389A1} (00184dfdf1c2)

The most usual problem in this case would be a misconfigured or overlooked
personal firewall of anti-worm component, blocking SMBs. What anti-virus do you
use?
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/0...ing-using.html

Other possibilities. Davis-Laptop has a nVidia network controller.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/02/hidden-personal-firewall-nvidia-nforce.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/0...ia-nforce.html

And IPV6. We still find situations where disabling IPV6 is the only solution.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/fix-network-problems-but-clean-up.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...-clean-up.html


--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 05:48:01 -0800, Jason <Jason@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote:

>Here are my XP settings:
>
>
>Windows IP Configuration
>
>
>
> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : OFFICE
>
> Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
>
> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
>
> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>
> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>
>
>
>Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
>
>
>
> Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
>
> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast
>Ethernet NIC
>
> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0E-A6-4B-8C-C5
>
>
>
>Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection 7:
>
>
>
> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
>
> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : NETGEAR WG111v2 54Mbps Wireless
>USB 2.0 Adapter
>
> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-18-4D-FD-F1-C2
>
> Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
>
> Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
>
> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.100
>
> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>
> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
>
> DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
>
> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 68.87.64.146
>
> 68.87.75.194
>
> Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Wednesday, December 26, 2007
>8:32:36 AM
>
> Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Thursday, December 27, 2007
>8:32:36 AM
>
>
>
>Status for domain DAVIS on transport
>\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{1241E8B3-8382-42D6-A808-FC2C840389A1}
> Browsing is NOT active on domain.
> Master name cannot be determined from GetAdapterStatus.
>
>
>Server Name \\OFFICE
>Server Comment Davis Family Computer
>
>Software version Windows 2002
>Server is active on
> NetbiosSmb (000000000000)
> NetBT_Tcpip_{1241E8B3-8382-42D6-A808-FC2C840389A1} (00184dfdf1c2)
>
>
>Server hidden No
>Maximum Logged On Users 5
>Maximum open files per session 16384
>
>Idle session time (min) 15
>The command completed successfully.

OK, Jason,

Let's start with the browstat logs.
> Browsing is NOT active on domain.

That's not the problem, but that's a good descriptive symptom. That's why you
can't see one computer from the other.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...lways-see.html

The browser requires NetBT. I don't see any indication that it's not active, on
both computers. For instance,
>Server is active on
> NetbiosSmb (000000000000)
> NetBT_Tcpip_{1241E8B3-8382-42D6-A808-FC2C840389A1} (00184dfdf1c2)

The most usual problem in this case would be a misconfigured or overlooked
personal firewall of anti-worm component, blocking SMBs. What anti-virus do you
use?
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/0...ing-using.html

Other possibilities. Davis-Laptop has a nVidia network controller.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/02/hidden-personal-firewall-nvidia-nforce.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/0...ia-nforce.html

And IPV6. We still find situations where disabling IPV6 is the only solution.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/fix-network-problems-but-clean-up.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...-clean-up.html

And compound problems are always a possibility. If you make any changes, make
one at a time, and test after each change. Be slow and methodical, please.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/solving-network-problems-tutorial.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...-tutorial.html

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
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