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Old 02-22-2007
jimwy2001@gmail.com
 

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Vista to XP sharing issue
Hi. I have a network at home with 3 XP machines. I recently reloaded
one of those machines with Windows Vista Ultimate x32 (NOT an
upgrade). I can also dual-boot this Vista/XP machine (each OS is on a
separate drive)

Before the upgrade, I was accessing the "Xp/Vista" machine's E$ admin
share from an XP Windows Media center machine in another room to get
at DVD images (VOBs, IFO's, etc...each dir is what you'd find in the
video_ts dir of a dvd). This always worked fine when everything was
XP. The E$ share is on a drive that is separate from the 2 operating
systems.

When I bring the XP/Vista machine up in Vista, the XP MCE 2005 machine
can still acess the E$ admin share and I can see the folders of DVD
images.

The problem: Approximately 5 minutes into playing a DVD image over
that share, the MCE machine completely freezes and only a power-cycle
can get me out of it. I tried playing the files in Windows Media
Player and got the same results. I also have a laptop with XP MCE
2005... Same result!

If I boot the Xp/Vista machine back to XP again, all is fine!

I've poked around on the net to no avail so far, trying things like:
- Updating the vista network driver
- I have the latest XP drivers on all machines
- Creating an "everyone full control" share on the vista machine and
accessing the files that way
- Changing a local network security policy on Vista to do NTLM2 and
NTLM
(<http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?
PostID=1037989&SiteID=17>)
- Changing both/either machines' network adapters to do full flow
control
- Changing both/either machines to 100mbps full duplex (instead of
auto)
- None of the machines are wireless, they are all hardwired.

Does anyone have any clue what could be causing this? It's making me
nuts! :-)

Thanks,

Jim

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Old 02-23-2007
Cari \(MS-MVP\)
 

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Re: Vista to XP sharing issue
They must all be in the same Workgroup because you say they can all see each
other... but on the Vista PC, you did set it as a Private Network, right?
If you want the XP PCs to have access to the Vista PC, set it to Password
Protected Sharing... OFF. Everything else (at least on my own PC network)
is set to ON. 6 PCs, 2 adults and 3 cats... so I'm not too worried about
'everyone' having access.


--
Cari (MS-MVP)
Windows Technologies - Printing & Imaging
http://www.coribright.com/windows

<jimwy2001@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1172175852.117015.82870@q2g2000cwa.googlegrou ps.com...
> Hi. I have a network at home with 3 XP machines. I recently reloaded
> one of those machines with Windows Vista Ultimate x32 (NOT an
> upgrade). I can also dual-boot this Vista/XP machine (each OS is on a
> separate drive)
>
> Before the upgrade, I was accessing the "Xp/Vista" machine's E$ admin
> share from an XP Windows Media center machine in another room to get
> at DVD images (VOBs, IFO's, etc...each dir is what you'd find in the
> video_ts dir of a dvd). This always worked fine when everything was
> XP. The E$ share is on a drive that is separate from the 2 operating
> systems.
>
> When I bring the XP/Vista machine up in Vista, the XP MCE 2005 machine
> can still acess the E$ admin share and I can see the folders of DVD
> images.
>
> The problem: Approximately 5 minutes into playing a DVD image over
> that share, the MCE machine completely freezes and only a power-cycle
> can get me out of it. I tried playing the files in Windows Media
> Player and got the same results. I also have a laptop with XP MCE
> 2005... Same result!
>
> If I boot the Xp/Vista machine back to XP again, all is fine!
>
> I've poked around on the net to no avail so far, trying things like:
> - Updating the vista network driver
> - I have the latest XP drivers on all machines
> - Creating an "everyone full control" share on the vista machine and
> accessing the files that way
> - Changing a local network security policy on Vista to do NTLM2 and
> NTLM
> (<http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?
> PostID=1037989&SiteID=17>)
> - Changing both/either machines' network adapters to do full flow
> control
> - Changing both/either machines to 100mbps full duplex (instead of
> auto)
> - None of the machines are wireless, they are all hardwired.
>
> Does anyone have any clue what could be causing this? It's making me
> nuts! :-)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
>


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Old 02-23-2007
jimwy2001@gmail.com
 

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Re: Vista to XP sharing issue
Cari:
Thanks for your reply. All computers are in the same workgroup, it is
indeed a private network. I actually have password protect sharing
on, but it WORKS.

What is odd is that everything works fine. For about 5 minutes or
so. Then suddenly the movie I'm playing will freeze and that's the
end of it. I'd think it was the machine I'm playing the movie on
except this also happens on my MCE 2005m laptop too!

Jim

On Feb 22, 11:25 pm, "Cari \(MS-MVP\)" <NewsGro...@coribright.com>
wrote:
> They must all be in the same Workgroup because you say they can all see each
> other... but on the Vista PC, you did set it as a Private Network, right?
> If you want the XP PCs to have access to the Vista PC, set it to Password
> Protected Sharing... OFF. Everything else (at least on my own PC network)
> is set to ON. 6 PCs, 2 adults and 3 cats... so I'm not too worried about
> 'everyone' having access.
>
> --
> Cari (MS-MVP)
> Windows Technologies - Printing & Imaginghttp://www.coribright.com/windows
>
> <jimwy2...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1172175852.117015.82870@q2g2000cwa.googlegrou ps.com...
>
>
>
> > Hi. I have a network at home with 3 XP machines. I recently reloaded
> > one of those machines with Windows Vista Ultimate x32 (NOT an
> > upgrade). I can also dual-boot this Vista/XP machine (each OS is on a
> > separate drive)

>
> > Before the upgrade, I was accessing the "Xp/Vista" machine's E$ admin
> > share from an XP Windows Media center machine in another room to get
> > at DVD images (VOBs, IFO's, etc...each dir is what you'd find in the
> > video_ts dir of a dvd). This always worked fine when everything was
> > XP. The E$ share is on a drive that is separate from the 2 operating
> > systems.

>
> > When I bring the XP/Vista machine up in Vista, the XP MCE 2005 machine
> > can still acess the E$ admin share and I can see the folders of DVD
> > images.

>
> > The problem: Approximately 5 minutes into playing a DVD image over
> > that share, the MCE machine completely freezes and only a power-cycle
> > can get me out of it. I tried playing the files in Windows Media
> > Player and got the same results. I also have a laptop with XP MCE
> > 2005... Same result!

>
> > If I boot the Xp/Vista machine back to XP again, all is fine!

>
> > I've poked around on the net to no avail so far, trying things like:
> > - Updating the vista network driver
> > - I have the latest XP drivers on all machines
> > - Creating an "everyone full control" share on the vista machine and
> > accessing the files that way
> > - Changing a local network security policy on Vista to do NTLM2 and
> > NTLM
> > (<http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?
> > PostID=1037989&SiteID=17>)
> > - Changing both/either machines' network adapters to do full flow
> > control
> > - Changing both/either machines to 100mbps full duplex (instead of
> > auto)
> > - None of the machines are wireless, they are all hardwired.

>
> > Does anyone have any clue what could be causing this? It's making me
> > nuts! :-)

>
> > Thanks,

>
> > Jim- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -



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Old 02-24-2007
Cari \(MS-MVP\)
 

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Re: Vista to XP sharing issue
If it happens on more than one PC, I'd suspect the router.
--
Cari (MS-MVP)
Windows Technologies - Printing & Imaging
http://www.coribright.com/windows

<jimwy2001@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1172244522.492039.99670@s48g2000cws.googlegro ups.com...
> Cari:
> Thanks for your reply. All computers are in the same workgroup, it is
> indeed a private network. I actually have password protect sharing
> on, but it WORKS.
>
> What is odd is that everything works fine. For about 5 minutes or
> so. Then suddenly the movie I'm playing will freeze and that's the
> end of it. I'd think it was the machine I'm playing the movie on
> except this also happens on my MCE 2005m laptop too!
>
> Jim
>
> On Feb 22, 11:25 pm, "Cari \(MS-MVP\)" <NewsGro...@coribright.com>
> wrote:
>> They must all be in the same Workgroup because you say they can all see
>> each
>> other... but on the Vista PC, you did set it as a Private Network, right?
>> If you want the XP PCs to have access to the Vista PC, set it to Password
>> Protected Sharing... OFF. Everything else (at least on my own PC
>> network)
>> is set to ON. 6 PCs, 2 adults and 3 cats... so I'm not too worried about
>> 'everyone' having access.
>>
>> --
>> Cari (MS-MVP)
>> Windows Technologies - Printing &
>> Imaginghttp://www.coribright.com/windows
>>
>> <jimwy2...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1172175852.117015.82870@q2g2000cwa.googlegrou ps.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hi. I have a network at home with 3 XP machines. I recently reloaded
>> > one of those machines with Windows Vista Ultimate x32 (NOT an
>> > upgrade). I can also dual-boot this Vista/XP machine (each OS is on a
>> > separate drive)

>>
>> > Before the upgrade, I was accessing the "Xp/Vista" machine's E$ admin
>> > share from an XP Windows Media center machine in another room to get
>> > at DVD images (VOBs, IFO's, etc...each dir is what you'd find in the
>> > video_ts dir of a dvd). This always worked fine when everything was
>> > XP. The E$ share is on a drive that is separate from the 2 operating
>> > systems.

>>
>> > When I bring the XP/Vista machine up in Vista, the XP MCE 2005 machine
>> > can still acess the E$ admin share and I can see the folders of DVD
>> > images.

>>
>> > The problem: Approximately 5 minutes into playing a DVD image over
>> > that share, the MCE machine completely freezes and only a power-cycle
>> > can get me out of it. I tried playing the files in Windows Media
>> > Player and got the same results. I also have a laptop with XP MCE
>> > 2005... Same result!

>>
>> > If I boot the Xp/Vista machine back to XP again, all is fine!

>>
>> > I've poked around on the net to no avail so far, trying things like:
>> > - Updating the vista network driver
>> > - I have the latest XP drivers on all machines
>> > - Creating an "everyone full control" share on the vista machine and
>> > accessing the files that way
>> > - Changing a local network security policy on Vista to do NTLM2 and
>> > NTLM
>> > (<http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?
>> > PostID=1037989&SiteID=17>)
>> > - Changing both/either machines' network adapters to do full flow
>> > control
>> > - Changing both/either machines to 100mbps full duplex (instead of
>> > auto)
>> > - None of the machines are wireless, they are all hardwired.

>>
>> > Does anyone have any clue what could be causing this? It's making me
>> > nuts! :-)

>>
>> > Thanks,

>>
>> > Jim- Hide quoted text -

>>
>> - Show quoted text -

>
>


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Old 03-16-2007
=?Utf-8?B?amltd3k=?=
 

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Re: Vista to XP sharing issue
Sorry for the vastly late reply, but I'm still have the same issue, and
here's the thing:

If the problem were the router, then I would expect that I would always have
a problem. The fact is that I only experience a problem when the "XP/Vista"
machine is running Vista. When it's booted up in XP everything is fine.
I've had a month to further see this, and it NEVER crashes or freezes when XP
is running, just Vista.

I've got all of the latest drivers I can get for Vista, but still no use.

Jim

"Cari (MS-MVP)" wrote:

> If it happens on more than one PC, I'd suspect the router.
> --
> Cari (MS-MVP)
> Windows Technologies - Printing & Imaging
> http://www.coribright.com/windows
>
> <jimwy2001@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1172244522.492039.99670@s48g2000cws.googlegro ups.com...
> > Cari:
> > Thanks for your reply. All computers are in the same workgroup, it is
> > indeed a private network. I actually have password protect sharing
> > on, but it WORKS.
> >
> > What is odd is that everything works fine. For about 5 minutes or
> > so. Then suddenly the movie I'm playing will freeze and that's the
> > end of it. I'd think it was the machine I'm playing the movie on
> > except this also happens on my MCE 2005m laptop too!
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > On Feb 22, 11:25 pm, "Cari \(MS-MVP\)" <NewsGro...@coribright.com>
> > wrote:
> >> They must all be in the same Workgroup because you say they can all see
> >> each
> >> other... but on the Vista PC, you did set it as a Private Network, right?
> >> If you want the XP PCs to have access to the Vista PC, set it to Password
> >> Protected Sharing... OFF. Everything else (at least on my own PC
> >> network)
> >> is set to ON. 6 PCs, 2 adults and 3 cats... so I'm not too worried about
> >> 'everyone' having access.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cari (MS-MVP)
> >> Windows Technologies - Printing &
> >> Imaginghttp://www.coribright.com/windows
> >>
> >> <jimwy2...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >> news:1172175852.117015.82870@q2g2000cwa.googlegrou ps.com...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hi. I have a network at home with 3 XP machines. I recently reloaded
> >> > one of those machines with Windows Vista Ultimate x32 (NOT an
> >> > upgrade). I can also dual-boot this Vista/XP machine (each OS is on a
> >> > separate drive)
> >>
> >> > Before the upgrade, I was accessing the "Xp/Vista" machine's E$ admin
> >> > share from an XP Windows Media center machine in another room to get
> >> > at DVD images (VOBs, IFO's, etc...each dir is what you'd find in the
> >> > video_ts dir of a dvd). This always worked fine when everything was
> >> > XP. The E$ share is on a drive that is separate from the 2 operating
> >> > systems.
> >>
> >> > When I bring the XP/Vista machine up in Vista, the XP MCE 2005 machine
> >> > can still acess the E$ admin share and I can see the folders of DVD
> >> > images.
> >>
> >> > The problem: Approximately 5 minutes into playing a DVD image over
> >> > that share, the MCE machine completely freezes and only a power-cycle
> >> > can get me out of it. I tried playing the files in Windows Media
> >> > Player and got the same results. I also have a laptop with XP MCE
> >> > 2005... Same result!
> >>
> >> > If I boot the Xp/Vista machine back to XP again, all is fine!
> >>
> >> > I've poked around on the net to no avail so far, trying things like:
> >> > - Updating the vista network driver
> >> > - I have the latest XP drivers on all machines
> >> > - Creating an "everyone full control" share on the vista machine and
> >> > accessing the files that way
> >> > - Changing a local network security policy on Vista to do NTLM2 and
> >> > NTLM
> >> > (<http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?
> >> > PostID=1037989&SiteID=17>)
> >> > - Changing both/either machines' network adapters to do full flow
> >> > control
> >> > - Changing both/either machines to 100mbps full duplex (instead of
> >> > auto)
> >> > - None of the machines are wireless, they are all hardwired.
> >>
> >> > Does anyone have any clue what could be causing this? It's making me
> >> > nuts! :-)
> >>
> >> > Thanks,
> >>
> >> > Jim- Hide quoted text -
> >>
> >> - Show quoted text -

> >
> >

>
>

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Old 05-13-2007
jim.cooper.ut@gmail.com
 

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Re: Vista to XP sharing issue
Did you ever fix this problem? I am also having the same problem
although I'm using Sage, not MCE, but a very similar problem. If you
have not solved it, you may want to try disabling TCP Scaling (you can
do this with the netsh command). I've read of other people on the Sage
forums doing this and it worked for them. Unfortunately, it has not
helped me. I'm anxious to know if you've found a solution.

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Old 05-14-2007
jimwy
 

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Re: Vista to XP sharing issue
Jim, thanks for your reply... Unfortunately, I never solved that problem, but
I will definitely give the TCP Scaling a shot. I've pretty much given up on
vista because of this problem, if this fixes it i'd be a happy camper.

I'll give it a shot tonight and let you know.. Thanks!

Jim

"jim.cooper.ut@gmail.com" wrote:

> Did you ever fix this problem? I am also having the same problem
> although I'm using Sage, not MCE, but a very similar problem. If you
> have not solved it, you may want to try disabling TCP Scaling (you can
> do this with the netsh command). I've read of other people on the Sage
> forums doing this and it worked for them. Unfortunately, it has not
> helped me. I'm anxious to know if you've found a solution.
>
>

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Old 05-15-2007
jimwy
 

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Re: Vista to XP sharing issue
So, I got home tonight, applied the change to disable TCP scaling, and nope,
same problem. :-( Playing a movie for 10 minutes or results in it just
locking up.... GRRRRR....

I think I might go get a new router and see if that helps. I kinda like
Vista after booting back into it here... This network problem is the ONLY
issue I have.

Thanks for your reply though!

Jim

"jim.cooper.ut@gmail.com" wrote:

> Did you ever fix this problem? I am also having the same problem
> although I'm using Sage, not MCE, but a very similar problem. If you
> have not solved it, you may want to try disabling TCP Scaling (you can
> do this with the netsh command). I've read of other people on the Sage
> forums doing this and it worked for them. Unfortunately, it has not
> helped me. I'm anxious to know if you've found a solution.
>
>

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Old 05-15-2007
jimwy
 

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Re: Vista to XP sharing issue
I think I finally solved my problem. Video has been playing for nearly 1
hour with no freeze!!

How did I do it? I bought a new router! Man! I had a Dlink DI-624 Rev c.
I know a few people who had this same model and for some it worked ok, and
others it was AWFUL. I just bought a Netgear (which I've also installed for
people who had problems with their DI-624s)... New router is a WGT624 v3 ...

I'd be curious to know what your router currently is, and if replacing it
helps? You sound like you're in the same boat I was.

Jim

"jim.cooper.ut@gmail.com" wrote:

> Did you ever fix this problem? I am also having the same problem
> although I'm using Sage, not MCE, but a very similar problem. If you
> have not solved it, you may want to try disabling TCP Scaling (you can
> do this with the netsh command). I've read of other people on the Sage
> forums doing this and it worked for them. Unfortunately, it has not
> helped me. I'm anxious to know if you've found a solution.
>
>

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