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Old 10-05-2007
WEJ
 

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Network Printing
I have a laptop running Vista and a desk top with XP. I network through a
wireless routere with out problem, except printing I have two printer on the
desk top with USB ports. I can see them but ever time I try to connect, I get
a message (windows cannot connect to Printer)
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Old 10-05-2007
Malke
 

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Re: Network Printing
WEJ wrote:
> I have a laptop running Vista and a desk top with XP. I network through a
> wireless routere with out problem, except printing I have two printer on the
> desk top with USB ports. I can see them but ever time I try to connect, I get
> a message (windows cannot connect to Printer)


Did you go to the printer mftrs.' websites and download Vista drivers?
If not, you need to do this. Get the right drivers for your particular
printers and make sure they are for the Vista operating system. Install
them on your new laptop. I understand your post to say that you have
file sharing set up properly between XP and Vista. If this is not
correct, then you need to first set up file/printer sharing on your
network. Then share the printers from the XP box and then install the
printer drivers on the Vista machine.

Excellent, thorough, yet easy to understand article about File/Printer
Sharing in Vista. Includes details about sharing printers as well as
files and folders:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l...27037.aspxThis link will
take you through Vista networking very well:


Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
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Old 10-06-2007
WEJ
 

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Re: Network Printing


"Malke" wrote:

> WEJ wrote:
> > I have a laptop running Vista and a desk top with XP. I network through a
> > wireless routere with out problem, except printing I have two printer on the
> > desk top with USB ports. I can see them but ever time I try to connect, I get
> > a message (windows cannot connect to Printer)

>
> Did you go to the printer mftrs.' websites and download Vista drivers?
> If not, you need to do this. Get the right drivers for your particular
> printers and make sure they are for the Vista operating system. Install
> them on your new laptop. I understand your post to say that you have
> file sharing set up properly between XP and Vista. If this is not
> correct, then you need to first set up file/printer sharing on your
> network. Then share the printers from the XP box and then install the
> printer drivers on the Vista machine.
>
> Excellent, thorough, yet easy to understand article about File/Printer
> Sharing in Vista. Includes details about sharing printers as well as
> files and folders:
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l...27037.aspxThis link will
> take you through Vista networking very well:
>
>
> Malke
> --
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic!"
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

Malke
Thank but The driver solution for this product is included in your Windows
Vista operating system and is already on your computer. There is no need to
download anything. Follow the steps below to quickly and easily get your
product working with Windows Vista.
Do you or any one else have a Ides I am getting to the point of pluging into
printers.
WEJ
>

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Old 10-06-2007
Malke
 

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Re: Network Printing
WEJ wrote:

> Thank but The driver solution for this product is included in your Windows
> Vista operating system and is already on your computer. There is no need to
> download anything. Follow the steps below to quickly and easily get your
> product working with Windows Vista.
> Do you or any one else have a Ides I am getting to the point of pluging into
> printers.
> WEJ


Do you or do you not have file sharing set up successfully between the
computers? If you think you do, have you tested transferring files back
and forth between the machines? Since once again you've left out this
vital detail, I don't have a clear idea of what you've done. It sounds
as though you don't have file sharing set up correctly so see the
general network troubleshooting information below.

*****
Here are general network troubleshooting steps. Not everything may be
applicable to your situation, so just take the bits that are. It may
look daunting, but if you follow the steps at the links and suggestions
below systematically and calmly, you will have no difficulty in setting
up your sharing.

Excellent, thorough, yet easy to understand article about File/Printer
Sharing in Vista. Includes details about sharing printers as well as
files and folders:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l...27037.aspxThis link will
take you through Vista networking very well:

For XP, start by running the Network Setup Wizard on all machines (see
caveat in Item A below).

Problems sharing files between computers on a network are generally
caused by 1) a misconfigured firewall; or 2) inadvertently running two
firewalls such as the built-in Windows Firewall and a third-party
firewall; and/or 3) not having identical user accounts and passwords on
all Workgroup machines; 4) trying to create shares where the operating
system does not permit it. Read through the general networking tips
below and if you still are having difficulties, MVP Hans-Georg Michna
has an excellent small network troubleshooter here:

http://winhlp.com/wxnet.htm

Taking the time to go through his troubleshooter will usually pinpoint
the source of the problem(s).

Here are some general networking tips for home/small networks:

A. Configure firewalls on all machines to allow the Local Area Network
(LAN) traffic as trusted. With Windows Firewall, this means allowing
File/Printer Sharing on the Exceptions tab. Normally running the Network
Setup Wizard on XP will take care of this for those machines.The only
"gotcha" is that this will turn on the XPSP2 Windows Firewall. If you
aren't running a third-party firewall or have an antivirus with
"Internet Worm Protection" (like Norton 2006/07) which acts as a
firewall, then you're fine. With third-party firewalls, I usually
configure the LAN allowance with an IP range. Ex. would be
192.168.1.0-192.168.1.254. Obviously you would substitute your correct
subnet. Do not run more than one firewall.

B. With earlier Microsoft operating systems, the name of the Workgroup
didn't matter. Apparently it does with Vista, so put all computers in
the same Workgroup. This is done from the System applet in Control
Panel, Computer Name tab.

C. Create identical user accounts and passwords on all machines. If you
wish a machine to boot directly to the Desktop (into one particular
user's account) for convenience, you can do this. The instructions at
this link work for both XP and Vista:

Configure Windows to Automatically Login (MVP Ramesh) -
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm

D. If one or more of the computers is XP Pro or Media Center:

1. If you need Pro's ability to set fine-grained permissions, turn off
Simple File Sharing (Folder Options>View tab) and create identical user
accounts/passwords on all computers.

2. If you don't care about using Pro's advanced features, leave the
Simple File Sharing enabled.

Simple File Sharing means that Guest (network) is enabled. This means
that anyone without a user account on the target system can use its
resources. This is a security hole but only you can decide if it matters
in your situation.

I think it is a good idea to create the identical user
accounts/passwords in any case when Vista machines are involved and it
isn't an onerous task with home/small networks.

E. Create shares as desired. XP Home does not permit sharing of users'
home directories (My Documents) or Program Files, but you can share
folders inside those directories. A better choice is to simply use the
Shared Documents folder. See the first link above for details about
Vista sharing.
*****

Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
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Old 10-06-2007
WEJ
 

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Re: Network Printing
What about the one posted on 8/20/07
And yes file sharing is not a problem
WEJ

"Malke" wrote:

> WEJ wrote:
>
> > Thank but The driver solution for this product is included in your Windows
> > Vista operating system and is already on your computer. There is no need to
> > download anything. Follow the steps below to quickly and easily get your
> > product working with Windows Vista.
> > Do you or any one else have a Ides I am getting to the point of pluging into
> > printers.
> > WEJ

>
> Do you or do you not have file sharing set up successfully between the
> computers? If you think you do, have you tested transferring files back
> and forth between the machines? Since once again you've left out this
> vital detail, I don't have a clear idea of what you've done. It sounds
> as though you don't have file sharing set up correctly so see the
> general network troubleshooting information below.
>
> *****
> Here are general network troubleshooting steps. Not everything may be
> applicable to your situation, so just take the bits that are. It may
> look daunting, but if you follow the steps at the links and suggestions
> below systematically and calmly, you will have no difficulty in setting
> up your sharing.
>
> Excellent, thorough, yet easy to understand article about File/Printer
> Sharing in Vista. Includes details about sharing printers as well as
> files and folders:
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l...27037.aspxThis link will
> take you through Vista networking very well:
>
> For XP, start by running the Network Setup Wizard on all machines (see
> caveat in Item A below).
>
> Problems sharing files between computers on a network are generally
> caused by 1) a misconfigured firewall; or 2) inadvertently running two
> firewalls such as the built-in Windows Firewall and a third-party
> firewall; and/or 3) not having identical user accounts and passwords on
> all Workgroup machines; 4) trying to create shares where the operating
> system does not permit it. Read through the general networking tips
> below and if you still are having difficulties, MVP Hans-Georg Michna
> has an excellent small network troubleshooter here:
>
> http://winhlp.com/wxnet.htm
>
> Taking the time to go through his troubleshooter will usually pinpoint
> the source of the problem(s).
>
> Here are some general networking tips for home/small networks:
>
> A. Configure firewalls on all machines to allow the Local Area Network
> (LAN) traffic as trusted. With Windows Firewall, this means allowing
> File/Printer Sharing on the Exceptions tab. Normally running the Network
> Setup Wizard on XP will take care of this for those machines.The only
> "gotcha" is that this will turn on the XPSP2 Windows Firewall. If you
> aren't running a third-party firewall or have an antivirus with
> "Internet Worm Protection" (like Norton 2006/07) which acts as a
> firewall, then you're fine. With third-party firewalls, I usually
> configure the LAN allowance with an IP range. Ex. would be
> 192.168.1.0-192.168.1.254. Obviously you would substitute your correct
> subnet. Do not run more than one firewall.
>
> B. With earlier Microsoft operating systems, the name of the Workgroup
> didn't matter. Apparently it does with Vista, so put all computers in
> the same Workgroup. This is done from the System applet in Control
> Panel, Computer Name tab.
>
> C. Create identical user accounts and passwords on all machines. If you
> wish a machine to boot directly to the Desktop (into one particular
> user's account) for convenience, you can do this. The instructions at
> this link work for both XP and Vista:
>
> Configure Windows to Automatically Login (MVP Ramesh) -
> http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm
>
> D. If one or more of the computers is XP Pro or Media Center:
>
> 1. If you need Pro's ability to set fine-grained permissions, turn off
> Simple File Sharing (Folder Options>View tab) and create identical user
> accounts/passwords on all computers.
>
> 2. If you don't care about using Pro's advanced features, leave the
> Simple File Sharing enabled.
>
> Simple File Sharing means that Guest (network) is enabled. This means
> that anyone without a user account on the target system can use its
> resources. This is a security hole but only you can decide if it matters
> in your situation.
>
> I think it is a good idea to create the identical user
> accounts/passwords in any case when Vista machines are involved and it
> isn't an onerous task with home/small networks.
>
> E. Create shares as desired. XP Home does not permit sharing of users'
> home directories (My Documents) or Program Files, but you can share
> folders inside those directories. A better choice is to simply use the
> Shared Documents folder. See the first link above for details about
> Vista sharing.
> *****
>
> Malke
> --
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic!"
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>

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Old 10-06-2007
WEJ
 

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Re: Network Printing
Ok, it took the entire family to figure it out, and we did it!

1. For the XP computer, I installed the Link Layer Topology Discovery (LLTD)
Responder
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

2. For the Vista computer, I installed this update: Update for Windows Vista
(KB938979)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en

3. This thread helped to actually connect my printer on the XP computer.
http://forums.cnet.com/5208-7589_102...geID=239529 2

I hope this helps some other people. I thank everyone who contributed. This
problem was definitely the toughest computer problem I ever faced. Whew!



"WEJ" wrote:

> What about the one posted on 8/20/07
> And yes file sharing is not a problem
> WEJ
>
> "Malke" wrote:
>
> > WEJ wrote:
> >
> > > Thank but The driver solution for this product is included in your Windows
> > > Vista operating system and is already on your computer. There is no need to
> > > download anything. Follow the steps below to quickly and easily get your
> > > product working with Windows Vista.
> > > Do you or any one else have a Ides I am getting to the point of pluging into
> > > printers.
> > > WEJ

> >
> > Do you or do you not have file sharing set up successfully between the
> > computers? If you think you do, have you tested transferring files back
> > and forth between the machines? Since once again you've left out this
> > vital detail, I don't have a clear idea of what you've done. It sounds
> > as though you don't have file sharing set up correctly so see the
> > general network troubleshooting information below.
> >
> > *****
> > Here are general network troubleshooting steps. Not everything may be
> > applicable to your situation, so just take the bits that are. It may
> > look daunting, but if you follow the steps at the links and suggestions
> > below systematically and calmly, you will have no difficulty in setting
> > up your sharing.
> >
> > Excellent, thorough, yet easy to understand article about File/Printer
> > Sharing in Vista. Includes details about sharing printers as well as
> > files and folders:
> > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l...27037.aspxThis link will
> > take you through Vista networking very well:
> >
> > For XP, start by running the Network Setup Wizard on all machines (see
> > caveat in Item A below).
> >
> > Problems sharing files between computers on a network are generally
> > caused by 1) a misconfigured firewall; or 2) inadvertently running two
> > firewalls such as the built-in Windows Firewall and a third-party
> > firewall; and/or 3) not having identical user accounts and passwords on
> > all Workgroup machines; 4) trying to create shares where the operating
> > system does not permit it. Read through the general networking tips
> > below and if you still are having difficulties, MVP Hans-Georg Michna
> > has an excellent small network troubleshooter here:
> >
> > http://winhlp.com/wxnet.htm
> >
> > Taking the time to go through his troubleshooter will usually pinpoint
> > the source of the problem(s).
> >
> > Here are some general networking tips for home/small networks:
> >
> > A. Configure firewalls on all machines to allow the Local Area Network
> > (LAN) traffic as trusted. With Windows Firewall, this means allowing
> > File/Printer Sharing on the Exceptions tab. Normally running the Network
> > Setup Wizard on XP will take care of this for those machines.The only
> > "gotcha" is that this will turn on the XPSP2 Windows Firewall. If you
> > aren't running a third-party firewall or have an antivirus with
> > "Internet Worm Protection" (like Norton 2006/07) which acts as a
> > firewall, then you're fine. With third-party firewalls, I usually
> > configure the LAN allowance with an IP range. Ex. would be
> > 192.168.1.0-192.168.1.254. Obviously you would substitute your correct
> > subnet. Do not run more than one firewall.
> >
> > B. With earlier Microsoft operating systems, the name of the Workgroup
> > didn't matter. Apparently it does with Vista, so put all computers in
> > the same Workgroup. This is done from the System applet in Control
> > Panel, Computer Name tab.
> >
> > C. Create identical user accounts and passwords on all machines. If you
> > wish a machine to boot directly to the Desktop (into one particular
> > user's account) for convenience, you can do this. The instructions at
> > this link work for both XP and Vista:
> >
> > Configure Windows to Automatically Login (MVP Ramesh) -
> > http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm
> >
> > D. If one or more of the computers is XP Pro or Media Center:
> >
> > 1. If you need Pro's ability to set fine-grained permissions, turn off
> > Simple File Sharing (Folder Options>View tab) and create identical user
> > accounts/passwords on all computers.
> >
> > 2. If you don't care about using Pro's advanced features, leave the
> > Simple File Sharing enabled.
> >
> > Simple File Sharing means that Guest (network) is enabled. This means
> > that anyone without a user account on the target system can use its
> > resources. This is a security hole but only you can decide if it matters
> > in your situation.
> >
> > I think it is a good idea to create the identical user
> > accounts/passwords in any case when Vista machines are involved and it
> > isn't an onerous task with home/small networks.
> >
> > E. Create shares as desired. XP Home does not permit sharing of users'
> > home directories (My Documents) or Program Files, but you can share
> > folders inside those directories. A better choice is to simply use the
> > Shared Documents folder. See the first link above for details about
> > Vista sharing.
> > *****
> >
> > Malke
> > --
> > Elephant Boy Computers
> > www.elephantboycomputers.com
> > "Don't Panic!"
> > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
> >

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