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Old 08-01-2007
BP
 

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MPEG-4 Issues on Vista?
I recently purchased a WVC200 web cam from Linksys. The camera has a
monitor/recording utility that will not run on Vista. Furthermore, the files
it records are not playable on WMP in Vista. The files this camera creates
are MPEG-4 wrapped in an ASF. Linksys markets this camera as being Vista
compatable. After pressing Linksys and Cisco for an explanation of why this
incompatability exists, blame was placed squarely on Microsoft.

One Linksys support engineer advised me that Microsoft dropped support for
ASF files in Vista. Another Cisco engineer told me that Microsoft was aware
of a problem with MPEG-4 in Vista, and that they were working on resolving
it. When I pressed him to give me more information on this "known issue"
relating to MPEG-4 in Vista, he stalled on me and hasn't provided any data in
a week. I've opened parallel cases on this issue with Cisco/Linksys to see if
I could get some resolution (I opened my first case with them over two weeks
ago), and all the engineers I speak to over there point the finger at MSFT.

Can anyone confirm or deny that there are known broad MPEG-4 or ASF issues
that are specific to Vista? I searched MSKB and the web, but turned up
nothing. It seems like Cisco is trying to pass the buck, but I've had so many
of their engineers tell me the same story that I want to verify it with
Microsoft.

Thx!
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Old 08-01-2007
Adam Albright
 

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Re: MPEG-4 Issues on Vista?
On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 14:44:03 -0700, BP <BP@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote:

>I recently purchased a WVC200 web cam from Linksys. The camera has a
>monitor/recording utility that will not run on Vista. Furthermore, the files
>it records are not playable on WMP in Vista. The files this camera creates
>are MPEG-4 wrapped in an ASF. Linksys markets this camera as being Vista
>compatable. After pressing Linksys and Cisco for an explanation of why this
>incompatability exists, blame was placed squarely on Microsoft.
>
>One Linksys support engineer advised me that Microsoft dropped support for
>ASF files in Vista. Another Cisco engineer told me that Microsoft was aware
>of a problem with MPEG-4 in Vista, and that they were working on resolving
>it. When I pressed him to give me more information on this "known issue"
>relating to MPEG-4 in Vista, he stalled on me and hasn't provided any data in
>a week. I've opened parallel cases on this issue with Cisco/Linksys to see if
>I could get some resolution (I opened my first case with them over two weeks
>ago), and all the engineers I speak to over there point the finger at MSFT.
>
>Can anyone confirm or deny that there are known broad MPEG-4 or ASF issues
>that are specific to Vista? I searched MSKB and the web, but turned up
>nothing. It seems like Cisco is trying to pass the buck, but I've had so many
>of their engineers tell me the same story that I want to verify it with
>Microsoft.
>
>Thx!


Maybe this backdoor approach will work for you, it did for me. I had a
handful of MPEG-4 files I couldn't open in WMP either. But I have GOM
Player. It too said no can do, but went out to a web site, found a
MPEG-4 codec, installed it and it now plays MPEG-4 files fine. Guess
what, ever since WMP plays them too... but it will nag first saying it
don't understand the file format, asking if you want to play it
anyway, if you click yes, it will. Classic Microsoft.

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Old 08-02-2007
JW
 

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Re: MPEG-4 Issues on Vista?
Vista compatible only means that the drivers for the card do not violate
Vista driver security precautions. Vista compatible does not mean that a
product will work with Vista MC or MP Vista certification not just Vista
compatible approval is required for these programs.
Since your product is only Vista compatible at least it should run with the
applications supplied by Linksys if it does not run with MC or WMP.
"BP" <BP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9FC751DC-5E61-46D7-BB3A-08ED17E4CE42@microsoft.com...
>I recently purchased a WVC200 web cam from Linksys. The camera has a
> monitor/recording utility that will not run on Vista. Furthermore, the
> files
> it records are not playable on WMP in Vista. The files this camera creates
> are MPEG-4 wrapped in an ASF. Linksys markets this camera as being Vista
> compatable. After pressing Linksys and Cisco for an explanation of why
> this
> incompatability exists, blame was placed squarely on Microsoft.
>
> One Linksys support engineer advised me that Microsoft dropped support for
> ASF files in Vista. Another Cisco engineer told me that Microsoft was
> aware
> of a problem with MPEG-4 in Vista, and that they were working on resolving
> it. When I pressed him to give me more information on this "known issue"
> relating to MPEG-4 in Vista, he stalled on me and hasn't provided any data
> in
> a week. I've opened parallel cases on this issue with Cisco/Linksys to see
> if
> I could get some resolution (I opened my first case with them over two
> weeks
> ago), and all the engineers I speak to over there point the finger at
> MSFT.
>
> Can anyone confirm or deny that there are known broad MPEG-4 or ASF issues
> that are specific to Vista? I searched MSKB and the web, but turned up
> nothing. It seems like Cisco is trying to pass the buck, but I've had so
> many
> of their engineers tell me the same story that I want to verify it with
> Microsoft.
>
> Thx!


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Old 08-03-2007
BP
 

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RE: MPEG-4 Issues on Vista?
I appreciate both of the responses to my posting, but my question was is
anyone can confirm that there are any known broad MPEG4 or ASF issues in
Vista, like the Linksys folks are claiming. An update to this is that I asked
Linksys to give me documentation backing up their claim that this is a
Microsoft problem, and they finally responded after a week. Their response
was that any documentation they could provide is Microsoft Confidential! All
I have to say to that is WTF!! Am I dealing with a legitimate fortune 500
company or am I dealing with the bush administration????

Again, I'll turn my question to this community (since my product
manufacturer is taking the 5th) - are there any known issues with Vista's
ability to support ASF or MPEG-4?

"BP" wrote:

> I recently purchased a WVC200 web cam from Linksys. The camera has a
> monitor/recording utility that will not run on Vista. Furthermore, the files
> it records are not playable on WMP in Vista. The files this camera creates
> are MPEG-4 wrapped in an ASF. Linksys markets this camera as being Vista
> compatable. After pressing Linksys and Cisco for an explanation of why this
> incompatability exists, blame was placed squarely on Microsoft.
>
> One Linksys support engineer advised me that Microsoft dropped support for
> ASF files in Vista. Another Cisco engineer told me that Microsoft was aware
> of a problem with MPEG-4 in Vista, and that they were working on resolving
> it. When I pressed him to give me more information on this "known issue"
> relating to MPEG-4 in Vista, he stalled on me and hasn't provided any data in
> a week. I've opened parallel cases on this issue with Cisco/Linksys to see if
> I could get some resolution (I opened my first case with them over two weeks
> ago), and all the engineers I speak to over there point the finger at MSFT.
>
> Can anyone confirm or deny that there are known broad MPEG-4 or ASF issues
> that are specific to Vista? I searched MSKB and the web, but turned up
> nothing. It seems like Cisco is trying to pass the buck, but I've had so many
> of their engineers tell me the same story that I want to verify it with
> Microsoft.
>
> Thx!

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Old 08-04-2007
zachd [MSFT]
 

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Re: MPEG-4 Issues on Vista?

Why won't it run?

Is there a sample piece of content exhibiting this problem somewhere to look
at? It should take about twenty seconds to pinpoint why the content won't
play.

ASF is still supported. Windows Media Player largely uses Media Foundation
for ASF playback, which may be the source of their confusion if they were
expecting the older WMFSDK.

"MPEG-4" is a huge umbrella term - even just within ASF, it's got a possible
reference to any of 5 or more discrete codecs. So that's nothing really to
go on.

A sample clip would probably be a good first step.
But - the application not running at all sounds like something that Linksys
would best understand. Depending upon *why* it won't run, of course.

--
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See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
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"BP" <BP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9FC751DC-5E61-46D7-BB3A-08ED17E4CE42@microsoft.com...
>I recently purchased a WVC200 web cam from Linksys. The camera has a
> monitor/recording utility that will not run on Vista. Furthermore, the
> files
> it records are not playable on WMP in Vista. The files this camera creates
> are MPEG-4 wrapped in an ASF. Linksys markets this camera as being Vista
> compatable. After pressing Linksys and Cisco for an explanation of why
> this
> incompatability exists, blame was placed squarely on Microsoft.
>
> One Linksys support engineer advised me that Microsoft dropped support for
> ASF files in Vista. Another Cisco engineer told me that Microsoft was
> aware
> of a problem with MPEG-4 in Vista, and that they were working on resolving
> it. When I pressed him to give me more information on this "known issue"
> relating to MPEG-4 in Vista, he stalled on me and hasn't provided any data
> in
> a week. I've opened parallel cases on this issue with Cisco/Linksys to see
> if
> I could get some resolution (I opened my first case with them over two
> weeks
> ago), and all the engineers I speak to over there point the finger at
> MSFT.
>
> Can anyone confirm or deny that there are known broad MPEG-4 or ASF issues
> that are specific to Vista? I searched MSKB and the web, but turned up
> nothing. It seems like Cisco is trying to pass the buck, but I've had so
> many
> of their engineers tell me the same story that I want to verify it with
> Microsoft.
>
> Thx!



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Old 08-04-2007
BP
 

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Re: MPEG-4 Issues on Vista?
to be more specific, the files won't play because they use G.726 as their
audio codec which doesn't appear to be loaded in WMP11 in Vista any more. The
Linksys application won't play back video clips recorded via the application
because of the non-support for G.726. When I go load any one of the G.726
codecs out there, the clips still will not play, and ask for a codec matching
an index number of 45, which is G.726. After getting to this point was when I
initially contacted Linksys three weeks ago. Only yesterday did they finally
tell me that the issue was a known Microsoft problem with MPEG-4 under Vista,
and that Microsoft was working on it, but any details about the issue were
withheld because they were confidential. What kind of national security
issues are at stake here? Can you confirm or deny anything, or should I
continue with my assumption that Linksys is full of CRAP.

"zachd [MSFT]" wrote:

>
> Why won't it run?
>
> Is there a sample piece of content exhibiting this problem somewhere to look
> at? It should take about twenty seconds to pinpoint why the content won't
> play.
>
> ASF is still supported. Windows Media Player largely uses Media Foundation
> for ASF playback, which may be the source of their confusion if they were
> expecting the older WMFSDK.
>
> "MPEG-4" is a huge umbrella term - even just within ASF, it's got a possible
> reference to any of 5 or more discrete codecs. So that's nothing really to
> go on.
>
> A sample clip would probably be a good first step.
> But - the application not running at all sounds like something that Linksys
> would best understand. Depending upon *why* it won't run, of course.
>
> --
> Speaking for myself only.
> See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
> --
> "BP" <BP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9FC751DC-5E61-46D7-BB3A-08ED17E4CE42@microsoft.com...
> >I recently purchased a WVC200 web cam from Linksys. The camera has a
> > monitor/recording utility that will not run on Vista. Furthermore, the
> > files
> > it records are not playable on WMP in Vista. The files this camera creates
> > are MPEG-4 wrapped in an ASF. Linksys markets this camera as being Vista
> > compatable. After pressing Linksys and Cisco for an explanation of why
> > this
> > incompatability exists, blame was placed squarely on Microsoft.
> >
> > One Linksys support engineer advised me that Microsoft dropped support for
> > ASF files in Vista. Another Cisco engineer told me that Microsoft was
> > aware
> > of a problem with MPEG-4 in Vista, and that they were working on resolving
> > it. When I pressed him to give me more information on this "known issue"
> > relating to MPEG-4 in Vista, he stalled on me and hasn't provided any data
> > in
> > a week. I've opened parallel cases on this issue with Cisco/Linksys to see
> > if
> > I could get some resolution (I opened my first case with them over two
> > weeks
> > ago), and all the engineers I speak to over there point the finger at
> > MSFT.
> >
> > Can anyone confirm or deny that there are known broad MPEG-4 or ASF issues
> > that are specific to Vista? I searched MSKB and the web, but turned up
> > nothing. It seems like Cisco is trying to pass the buck, but I've had so
> > many
> > of their engineers tell me the same story that I want to verify it with
> > Microsoft.
> >
> > Thx!

>
>
>

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Old 08-04-2007
zachd [MSFT]
 

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Re: MPEG-4 Issues on Vista?

What does Sharp say about that, since they produced the G.726 codec? I had
another thread on this recently in the newsgroups - I haven't been in the
loop on anything involving Sharp, so they'd be the ones to check to see if
they were going to be producing a Media Foundation (Vista) compatible G.726
codec.

So: since I don't know of one existing, nope, that wouldn't work. They
could likely switch over to use Windows Media Audio Voice or whatnot, but
without a solution from Sharp, this would be a problem for Linksys.

I don't know what MPEG-4 issue you're referring to in any fashion. Are you
referring to the G.726 issue? That'd be separate. What are the symptoms of
this purported MPEG-4 issue... ?

I'll check with someone on the G.726 issue, but I doubt that anything
internal could be discussed externally, since it's really up to the Higher
Ups at either companies to decide what they want to say, versus a random
grunt like me. =)

--
Speaking for myself only.
See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
--
"BP" <BP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E5E5CD0D-4BFD-4841-A41A-91C306871FAD@microsoft.com...
> to be more specific, the files won't play because they use G.726 as their
> audio codec which doesn't appear to be loaded in WMP11 in Vista any more.
> The
> Linksys application won't play back video clips recorded via the
> application
> because of the non-support for G.726. When I go load any one of the G.726
> codecs out there, the clips still will not play, and ask for a codec
> matching
> an index number of 45, which is G.726. After getting to this point was
> when I
> initially contacted Linksys three weeks ago. Only yesterday did they
> finally
> tell me that the issue was a known Microsoft problem with MPEG-4 under
> Vista,
> and that Microsoft was working on it, but any details about the issue were
> withheld because they were confidential. What kind of national security
> issues are at stake here? Can you confirm or deny anything, or should I
> continue with my assumption that Linksys is full of CRAP.
>
> "zachd [MSFT]" wrote:
>
>>
>> Why won't it run?
>>
>> Is there a sample piece of content exhibiting this problem somewhere to
>> look
>> at? It should take about twenty seconds to pinpoint why the content
>> won't
>> play.
>>
>> ASF is still supported. Windows Media Player largely uses Media
>> Foundation
>> for ASF playback, which may be the source of their confusion if they were
>> expecting the older WMFSDK.
>>
>> "MPEG-4" is a huge umbrella term - even just within ASF, it's got a
>> possible
>> reference to any of 5 or more discrete codecs. So that's nothing really
>> to
>> go on.
>>
>> A sample clip would probably be a good first step.
>> But - the application not running at all sounds like something that
>> Linksys
>> would best understand. Depending upon *why* it won't run, of course.
>>
>> --
>> Speaking for myself only.
>> See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights.
>> --
>> "BP" <BP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:9FC751DC-5E61-46D7-BB3A-08ED17E4CE42@microsoft.com...
>> >I recently purchased a WVC200 web cam from Linksys. The camera has a
>> > monitor/recording utility that will not run on Vista. Furthermore, the
>> > files
>> > it records are not playable on WMP in Vista. The files this camera
>> > creates
>> > are MPEG-4 wrapped in an ASF. Linksys markets this camera as being
>> > Vista
>> > compatable. After pressing Linksys and Cisco for an explanation of why
>> > this
>> > incompatability exists, blame was placed squarely on Microsoft.
>> >
>> > One Linksys support engineer advised me that Microsoft dropped support
>> > for
>> > ASF files in Vista. Another Cisco engineer told me that Microsoft was
>> > aware
>> > of a problem with MPEG-4 in Vista, and that they were working on
>> > resolving
>> > it. When I pressed him to give me more information on this "known
>> > issue"
>> > relating to MPEG-4 in Vista, he stalled on me and hasn't provided any
>> > data
>> > in
>> > a week. I've opened parallel cases on this issue with Cisco/Linksys to
>> > see
>> > if
>> > I could get some resolution (I opened my first case with them over two
>> > weeks
>> > ago), and all the engineers I speak to over there point the finger at
>> > MSFT.
>> >
>> > Can anyone confirm or deny that there are known broad MPEG-4 or ASF
>> > issues
>> > that are specific to Vista? I searched MSKB and the web, but turned up
>> > nothing. It seems like Cisco is trying to pass the buck, but I've had
>> > so
>> > many
>> > of their engineers tell me the same story that I want to verify it with
>> > Microsoft.
>> >
>> > Thx!

>>
>>
>>



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Old 08-24-2007
VP
 

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RE: MPEG-4 Issues on Vista?
Has a solution been found for the problem of requiring the Sharp G.726 Audio
45 codec for ASF files in Vista? I have the same problem for my Sony
recorded ASF files.

Thanks,

VP

"BP" wrote:

> I recently purchased a WVC200 web cam from Linksys. The camera has a
> monitor/recording utility that will not run on Vista. Furthermore, the files
> it records are not playable on WMP in Vista. The files this camera creates
> are MPEG-4 wrapped in an ASF. Linksys markets this camera as being Vista
> compatable. After pressing Linksys and Cisco for an explanation of why this
> incompatability exists, blame was placed squarely on Microsoft.
>
> One Linksys support engineer advised me that Microsoft dropped support for
> ASF files in Vista. Another Cisco engineer told me that Microsoft was aware
> of a problem with MPEG-4 in Vista, and that they were working on resolving
> it. When I pressed him to give me more information on this "known issue"
> relating to MPEG-4 in Vista, he stalled on me and hasn't provided any data in
> a week. I've opened parallel cases on this issue with Cisco/Linksys to see if
> I could get some resolution (I opened my first case with them over two weeks
> ago), and all the engineers I speak to over there point the finger at MSFT.
>
> Can anyone confirm or deny that there are known broad MPEG-4 or ASF issues
> that are specific to Vista? I searched MSKB and the web, but turned up
> nothing. It seems like Cisco is trying to pass the buck, but I've had so many
> of their engineers tell me the same story that I want to verify it with
> Microsoft.
>
> Thx!

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Old 08-24-2007
Adam Albright
 

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Re: MPEG-4 Issues on Vista?
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:32:01 -0700, VP <VP@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote:

>Has a solution been found for the problem of requiring the Sharp G.726 Audio
>45 codec for ASF files in Vista? I have the same problem for my Sony
>recorded ASF files.


First off Microsoft rarely admits to their errors. Bugs are often
referred to as undocumented "features". Of course third party hardware
and software developers also play a never ending game of who's fault
any particular problem is.

Doing a little research one of the problems with ASF files in Vista
seems to be this:

Some, but not all ASF files when attempting to get opened by Windows
Media Player running under Vista, have a problem with the time
interval in the Index where the parameter object is set to 0, while
the ASF spec say this never should happen. This will cause the ASF
plug-in to have problems with these files and often crash assuming
they open them at all. The correct technical workaround should be to
seek to the Index Object itself, which the Index Parameter Object
refers to and read the entry time interval from this object thus
avoiding the problem.

I've found a Rube Goldberg type of solution for MPEG-4 files. Many
times I have recommended the GOM player. By default it won't play
MPEG-4 format either, BUT unlike the cheesy Media Player when it says
it goes out on the web to look for codecs it actually does find and
install them.

So... if you have a MPEG-4 file, first get GOM player, install it,
then try to play a MPEG-4 file. It should originally say it can't play
it, but offer to look for a codec. It should fine one, install it and
then not only will GOM player be able to play MPEG-4 files, but Media
Player will be tricked into playing them too IF you don't mind
clicking through one of Microsoft's corny bogus warnings where it
first says it don't understand the file type, then asks if you want to
play it anyway which confirms it DOES understand the file type since
it will then play it without issue.

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Old 08-29-2007
zachd [MSFT]
 

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Re: MPEG-4 Issues on Vista?

You would have to follow up with Sharp about this. Until they have a Media
Foundation-compatible decoder available, this is not going to work. =\

--
Speaking for myself only.
See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
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"VP" <VP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:313EADDE-B6C6-423B-B8CD-CFC21DD95435@microsoft.com...
> Has a solution been found for the problem of requiring the Sharp G.726
> Audio
> 45 codec for ASF files in Vista? I have the same problem for my Sony
> recorded ASF files.
>
> Thanks,
>
> VP
>
> "BP" wrote:
>
>> I recently purchased a WVC200 web cam from Linksys. The camera has a
>> monitor/recording utility that will not run on Vista. Furthermore, the
>> files
>> it records are not playable on WMP in Vista. The files this camera
>> creates
>> are MPEG-4 wrapped in an ASF. Linksys markets this camera as being Vista
>> compatable. After pressing Linksys and Cisco for an explanation of why
>> this
>> incompatability exists, blame was placed squarely on Microsoft.
>>
>> One Linksys support engineer advised me that Microsoft dropped support
>> for
>> ASF files in Vista. Another Cisco engineer told me that Microsoft was
>> aware
>> of a problem with MPEG-4 in Vista, and that they were working on
>> resolving
>> it. When I pressed him to give me more information on this "known issue"
>> relating to MPEG-4 in Vista, he stalled on me and hasn't provided any
>> data in
>> a week. I've opened parallel cases on this issue with Cisco/Linksys to
>> see if
>> I could get some resolution (I opened my first case with them over two
>> weeks
>> ago), and all the engineers I speak to over there point the finger at
>> MSFT.
>>
>> Can anyone confirm or deny that there are known broad MPEG-4 or ASF
>> issues
>> that are specific to Vista? I searched MSKB and the web, but turned up
>> nothing. It seems like Cisco is trying to pass the buck, but I've had so
>> many
>> of their engineers tell me the same story that I want to verify it with
>> Microsoft.
>>
>> Thx!



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