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Re: mp3 cd won't play in car
Zach:


First of all the Car System is in 2007 Dodge Durango, which is new, a Blue Ray Player which plays Music CDs and MP3 CDs which was manufactured last year and was purchased for a Xmas gift this last year. So the age of the equipment is NOT the Issue. The issue is that XP did finalize CDs when you used the OS to create the CDs where VISTA is not, want proof anyone try... Simply copy mp3 files to a Record Only or R/W CD and close the session.... Try this on both an XP and Vista box. In XP you could finalize the cd by closing the session using drag drop and close, try this is VISTA.... Then take both CDs and try to play them in a system that will read data CDs such a car systems that support MP3 or home DVD or Blue Ray Players...given I am not the only one who has ran into this issue, I would say the feature changed in VISTA... Oh and we are not just talking about WMP but the OS, you know the burning feature. It changed between XP and Vista... If you really want proof just keep making excuses it is not hard to run a decoder on the CDs after issuing the close session from both XP and Vista....

Of course applications that are written to use IMAPI will finalize CDs...

Quote:
Originally Posted by zachd [MSFT] View Post
Chill, it's an atmosphere of love.

So you're saying you have a very old car audio system that doesn't support
nonfinalized CDs? I can't imagine any modern CD decks not supporting
nonfinalized CDs.
If you want to FORCE closure/finalization, fill the CD. Until that point,
it would seem to be logical ~not~ to finalize the CD.

The finalization/non-finalization of CDs is a feature of IMAPI and is
identical between XP and Vista.

So your options:
* get a modern CD deck; or
* fill the CD; or
* use something that explicitly allows finalization such as Nero

WMP has never ever offered some Finalize checkbox. This is an artifact of
CD Burning and has nothing to do with MP3. The same thing (non-closure of
non-full-ish CDs) would happen if you burned WMA, MID, DOC, or crackers to
your CD. "Anti-mp3" conspiracy theory upon this subject is of course
ludicrous. The devs behind MP3 are good people and I've glad to have
personally worked with them. Please don't let your having old CD hardware
when using a *basic* burning service lead you to invent fake drama between
people that respect each other. I'll say I like them, but I don't want to
presume the feeling is mutual, even though I have Christmas cards downstairs
from them. =)

Anyways, you have three options listed above that should sort you out. And,
as noted, this has never been a Windows feature ever, so it's not like
anything changed here. =)

Cheers,
-Zach
--
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See WMP FAQ: A trouble-shooting guide for Windows Media Player problems. for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
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<VistaIsTickingMeOFF.3llwk2@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com> wrote in message
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>
> Oscar:
>
> Apparently you don't know the difference between reading and jumping to
> conclusions. Audio files take more CD space, but maybe your not aware of
> that. MP3 compression allows for more files per CD... DUH! I am talking
> about creating an MP3 CD using VISTA which does not close sessions such
> devices like DVD players, car audio systems use them... READ THE
> THREAD.... So it is a VISTA ISSUE!!!!
>
> Try you see! I have talked with 10 other Vista users and they all
> report the same thing... It does not work unless you use third party
> software. So like I said I paid more to upgrade from XP to an OS with
> less features!!!
>
> You got it OSCAR.....?????
>
>
> oscar;1125982 Wrote:
>> According to your heading and your post, it appears that you do not know
>> the
>> dfference between mp3 and audio files.
>>
>> WMP can easily create audio cd's that are useable in car cd players. I
>> do
>> it all the time.
>>
>> This appears to be a user problem and not a Vista problem.
>>
>> Vista is an operating system which allows software such as WMP to
>> integrate
>> with the hardware. If you have a problem creating audio CD's you should
>> be
>> looking at the software that converts the MP3 to audio or the hardware
>> involved.
>>
>> Your post name, "VistaIsTickingMe Off", suggests that you would better
>> serve
>> yourself by reading a thick book on how Vista and its features work so
>> you
>> won't get confused by such simple tasks as creating an audio CD.
>> --
>> oscar
>>
>> ....Right click is your very good friend...
>>
>>
>> "VistaIsTickingMeOFF" wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > You said it, I cannot believe Microsoft would stoop so low, this I am
>> > sure was by design... you know MP3 was not their format to begin with
>> so
>> > why support this going forward.... I paid more for their new OS Cause
>> I
>> > was told it would do more and now I am getting less... Like to see
>> this
>> > one in their Mojave Experiment...LOL I sure hope they learned a
>> lesson,
>> > other wise this PC user will soon become a MAC user!
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > VistaIsTickingMeOFF
>> > Posted via http://www.vistaheads.com
>> >
>> >

>
>
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Re: mp3 cd won't play in car
With Vista when creating a CD or DVD you can create a Master (finalized
format) or a CD/DVD that can have files added to it live File system format.
Here is some info about the options
"Understanding the difference between the Live File System and Mastered disc
formats
If you have burned CDs using Windows XP, you are already familiar with the
Mastered format. The latest version of Windows offers a new format, called
Live File System. Discs that use the Live File System format are often more
convenient because you can copy selected files immediately and as often as
you want, as if the disc were a floppy disc or USB flash drive. On the other
hand, Live File System discs can't be used in all computers and devices. Use
this guide to understand the difference between Live File System and
Mastered discs:

Discs formatted with the Live File System option:
Work like a USB flash drive or floppy disk, meaning you can copy files to
disc immediately without having to burn them.

Are convenient if you want to keep a disc in the burn drive and copy files
whenever the need arises.

Are only compatible with Windows XP and later versions of Windows.

Discs formatted with the Mastered option:
Don't copy files immediately, meaning you need to select the entire
collection of files that you want to copy to the disc, and then burn them
all at once.

Are convenient if you want to burn a large collection of files, such as a
music CD.

Are compatible with older computers and devices such as CD players and DVD
players.

Why are there different versions of the Live File System format?
Each version of the Live File System format is compatible with different
operating systems. Depending on which computers you plan to use a disc in,
you might need to select a different version of Live File System. If you
plan to use your disc on the latest version of Windows, however, you will
never need to change the version of Live File System you use. If you need to
make discs that are compatible with earlier versions of Windows, use the
table below to select the right Live File System version for your needs:

The following table describes Live File System versions and their
appropriate uses.
"

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<VistaIsTickingMeOFF.3lnn0c@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com> wrote in message
news:VistaIsTickingMeOFF.3lnn0c@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com...
>
> Zach:
>
>
> First of all the Car System is in 2007 Dodge Durango, which is new, a
> Blue Ray Player which plays Music CDs and MP3 CDs which was manufactured
> last year and was purchased for a Xmas gift this last year. So the age
> of the equipment is NOT the Issue. The issue is that XP did finalize CDs
> when you used the OS to create the CDs where VISTA is not, want proof
> anyone try... Simply copy mp3 files to a Record Only or R/W CD and
> close the session.... Try this on both an XP and Vista box. In XP you
> could finalize the cd by closing the session using drag drop and close,
> try this is VISTA.... Then take both CDs and try to play them in a
> system that will read data CDs such a car systems that support MP3 or
> home DVD or Blue Ray Players...given I am not the only one who has ran
> into this issue, I would say the feature changed in VISTA... Oh and we
> are not just talking about WMP but the OS, you know the burning feature.
> It changed between XP and Vista... If you really want proof just keep
> making excuses it is not hard to run a decoder on the CDs after issuing
> the close session from both XP and Vista....
>
> Of course applications that are written to use IMAPI will finalize
> CDs...
>
> 'zachd [MSFT Wrote:
>> ;1127237']Chill, it's an atmosphere of love.
>>
>> So you're saying you have a very old car audio system that doesn't
>> support
>> nonfinalized CDs? I can't imagine any modern CD decks not supporting
>> nonfinalized CDs.
>> If you want to FORCE closure/finalization, fill the CD. Until that
>> point,
>> it would seem to be logical ~not~ to finalize the CD.
>>
>> The finalization/non-finalization of CDs is a feature of IMAPI and is
>> identical between XP and Vista.
>>
>> So your options:
>> * get a modern CD deck; or
>> * fill the CD; or
>> * use something that explicitly allows finalization such as Nero
>>
>> WMP has never ever offered some Finalize checkbox. This is an artifact
>> of
>> CD Burning and has nothing to do with MP3. The same thing (non-closure
>> of
>> non-full-ish CDs) would happen if you burned WMA, MID, DOC, or crackers
>> to
>> your CD. "Anti-mp3" conspiracy theory upon this subject is of course
>> ludicrous. The devs behind MP3 are good people and I've glad to have
>> personally worked with them. Please don't let your having old CD
>> hardware
>> when using a *basic* burning service lead you to invent fake drama
>> between
>> people that respect each other. I'll say I like them, but I don't want
>> to
>> presume the feeling is mutual, even though I have Christmas cards
>> downstairs
>> from them. =)
>>
>> Anyways, you have three options listed above that should sort you out.
>> And,
>> as noted, this has never been a Windows feature ever, so it's not like
>> anything changed here. =)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Zach
>> --
>> Speaking for myself only.
>> See 'WMP FAQ: A trouble-shooting guide for Windows Media Player
>> problems.' (http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html) for some helpful WMP info.
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights.
>> --
>> "VistaIsTickingMeOFF"
>> <VistaIsTickingMeOFF.3llwk2@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:VistaIsTickingMeOFF.3llwk2@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com...
>> >
>> > Oscar:
>> >
>> > Apparently you don't know the difference between reading and jumping

>> to
>> > conclusions. Audio files take more CD space, but maybe your not aware

>> of
>> > that. MP3 compression allows for more files per CD... DUH! I am

>> talking
>> > about creating an MP3 CD using VISTA which does not close sessions

>> such
>> > devices like DVD players, car audio systems use them... READ THE
>> > THREAD.... So it is a VISTA ISSUE!!!!
>> >
>> > Try you see! I have talked with 10 other Vista users and they all
>> > report the same thing... It does not work unless you use third party
>> > software. So like I said I paid more to upgrade from XP to an OS with
>> > less features!!!
>> >
>> > You got it OSCAR.....?????
>> >
>> >
>> > oscar;1125982 Wrote:
>> >> According to your heading and your post, it appears that you do not

>> know
>> >> the
>> >> dfference between mp3 and audio files.
>> >>
>> >> WMP can easily create audio cd's that are useable in car cd players.

>> I
>> >> do
>> >> it all the time.
>> >>
>> >> This appears to be a user problem and not a Vista problem.
>> >>
>> >> Vista is an operating system which allows software such as WMP to
>> >> integrate
>> >> with the hardware. If you have a problem creating audio CD's you

>> should
>> >> be
>> >> looking at the software that converts the MP3 to audio or the

>> hardware
>> >> involved.
>> >>
>> >> Your post name, "VistaIsTickingMe Off", suggests that you would

>> better
>> >> serve
>> >> yourself by reading a thick book on how Vista and its features work

>> so
>> >> you
>> >> won't get confused by such simple tasks as creating an audio CD.
>> >> --
>> >> oscar
>> >>
>> >> ....Right click is your very good friend...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "VistaIsTickingMeOFF" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > You said it, I cannot believe Microsoft would stoop so low, this I

>> am
>> >> > sure was by design... you know MP3 was not their format to begin

>> with
>> >> so
>> >> > why support this going forward.... I paid more for their new OS

>> Cause
>> >> I
>> >> > was told it would do more and now I am getting less... Like to see
>> >> this
>> >> > one in their Mojave Experiment...LOL I sure hope they learned a
>> >> lesson,
>> >> > other wise this PC user will soon become a MAC user!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > VistaIsTickingMeOFF
>> >> > Posted via http://www.vistaheads.com
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > VistaIsTickingMeOFF
>> > Posted via http://www.vistaheads.com
>> >

>
>
> --
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Re: mp3 cd won't play in car

My apologies: I didn't realize that any new technology didn't have this
functionality. My car CD player, and every CD player in my house, plays
back these CDs fine. So there's two factors at work:
* you have technology that does not support non-finalized CDs
* IMAPI doesn't believe it needs to close CDs after you burn a non-full disc

#2 is generally a feature, #1 is a limitation of the product you bought -
there's tons of ways to produce non-finalized CDs, as you evidently already
know.

I think we can both agree that IMAPI is not the be-all end-all of burning
technologies. It's a pretty useful inbox tool that is bettered by other
options such as Nero. By the same token, your otherwise pretty cool Blue
Ray Player is missing some surprising functionality that everybody else has
supported for years. =\

It looks like you have all the information you'd find useful here. I'm
sorry that such an otherwise cool deck doesn't provide that functionality.
=(

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See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
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<VistaIsTickingMeOFF.3lnn0c@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com> wrote in message
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>
> Zach:
>
>
> First of all the Car System is in 2007 Dodge Durango, which is new, a
> Blue Ray Player which plays Music CDs and MP3 CDs which was manufactured
> last year and was purchased for a Xmas gift this last year. So the age
> of the equipment is NOT the Issue. The issue is that XP did finalize CDs
> when you used the OS to create the CDs where VISTA is not, want proof
> anyone try... Simply copy mp3 files to a Record Only or R/W CD and
> close the session.... Try this on both an XP and Vista box. In XP you
> could finalize the cd by closing the session using drag drop and close,
> try this is VISTA.... Then take both CDs and try to play them in a
> system that will read data CDs such a car systems that support MP3 or
> home DVD or Blue Ray Players...given I am not the only one who has ran
> into this issue, I would say the feature changed in VISTA... Oh and we
> are not just talking about WMP but the OS, you know the burning feature.
> It changed between XP and Vista... If you really want proof just keep
> making excuses it is not hard to run a decoder on the CDs after issuing
> the close session from both XP and Vista....
>
> Of course applications that are written to use IMAPI will finalize
> CDs...
>
> 'zachd [MSFT Wrote:
>> ;1127237']Chill, it's an atmosphere of love.
>>
>> So you're saying you have a very old car audio system that doesn't
>> support
>> nonfinalized CDs? I can't imagine any modern CD decks not supporting
>> nonfinalized CDs.
>> If you want to FORCE closure/finalization, fill the CD. Until that
>> point,
>> it would seem to be logical ~not~ to finalize the CD.
>>
>> The finalization/non-finalization of CDs is a feature of IMAPI and is
>> identical between XP and Vista.
>>
>> So your options:
>> * get a modern CD deck; or
>> * fill the CD; or
>> * use something that explicitly allows finalization such as Nero
>>
>> WMP has never ever offered some Finalize checkbox. This is an artifact
>> of
>> CD Burning and has nothing to do with MP3. The same thing (non-closure
>> of
>> non-full-ish CDs) would happen if you burned WMA, MID, DOC, or crackers
>> to
>> your CD. "Anti-mp3" conspiracy theory upon this subject is of course
>> ludicrous. The devs behind MP3 are good people and I've glad to have
>> personally worked with them. Please don't let your having old CD
>> hardware
>> when using a *basic* burning service lead you to invent fake drama
>> between
>> people that respect each other. I'll say I like them, but I don't want
>> to
>> presume the feeling is mutual, even though I have Christmas cards
>> downstairs
>> from them. =)
>>
>> Anyways, you have three options listed above that should sort you out.
>> And,
>> as noted, this has never been a Windows feature ever, so it's not like
>> anything changed here. =)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Zach
>> --
>> Speaking for myself only.
>> See 'WMP FAQ: A trouble-shooting guide for Windows Media Player
>> problems.' (http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html) for some helpful WMP info.
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights.
>> --
>> "VistaIsTickingMeOFF"
>> <VistaIsTickingMeOFF.3llwk2@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:VistaIsTickingMeOFF.3llwk2@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com...
>> >
>> > Oscar:
>> >
>> > Apparently you don't know the difference between reading and jumping

>> to
>> > conclusions. Audio files take more CD space, but maybe your not aware

>> of
>> > that. MP3 compression allows for more files per CD... DUH! I am

>> talking
>> > about creating an MP3 CD using VISTA which does not close sessions

>> such
>> > devices like DVD players, car audio systems use them... READ THE
>> > THREAD.... So it is a VISTA ISSUE!!!!
>> >
>> > Try you see! I have talked with 10 other Vista users and they all
>> > report the same thing... It does not work unless you use third party
>> > software. So like I said I paid more to upgrade from XP to an OS with
>> > less features!!!
>> >
>> > You got it OSCAR.....?????
>> >
>> >
>> > oscar;1125982 Wrote:
>> >> According to your heading and your post, it appears that you do not

>> know
>> >> the
>> >> dfference between mp3 and audio files.
>> >>
>> >> WMP can easily create audio cd's that are useable in car cd players.

>> I
>> >> do
>> >> it all the time.
>> >>
>> >> This appears to be a user problem and not a Vista problem.
>> >>
>> >> Vista is an operating system which allows software such as WMP to
>> >> integrate
>> >> with the hardware. If you have a problem creating audio CD's you

>> should
>> >> be
>> >> looking at the software that converts the MP3 to audio or the

>> hardware
>> >> involved.
>> >>
>> >> Your post name, "VistaIsTickingMe Off", suggests that you would

>> better
>> >> serve
>> >> yourself by reading a thick book on how Vista and its features work

>> so
>> >> you
>> >> won't get confused by such simple tasks as creating an audio CD.
>> >> --
>> >> oscar
>> >>
>> >> ....Right click is your very good friend...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "VistaIsTickingMeOFF" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > You said it, I cannot believe Microsoft would stoop so low, this I

>> am
>> >> > sure was by design... you know MP3 was not their format to begin

>> with
>> >> so
>> >> > why support this going forward.... I paid more for their new OS

>> Cause
>> >> I
>> >> > was told it would do more and now I am getting less... Like to see
>> >> this
>> >> > one in their Mojave Experiment...LOL I sure hope they learned a
>> >> lesson,
>> >> > other wise this PC user will soon become a MAC user!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > VistaIsTickingMeOFF
>> >> > Posted via http://www.vistaheads.com
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > VistaIsTickingMeOFF
>> > Posted via http://www.vistaheads.com
>> >

>
>
> --
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Re: mp3 cd won't play in car
All:

The issue here is not that my audio systems will not play a non finalized MP3 CD but rather that most people's system have the same issue. Maybe we all should have all looked for audio systems with the "Vista Support Logo". LOL! NOT! I didn't start this thread so my Point has been all along that VISTA changed the way it deals with burning CDs from that of XP.

I have tried the MASTERED setting in hopes of creating a finalized CD with Vista as well as the other people in this thread... Apparently to no avail. It Does not work for some reason???? There is yet another thread in the 64 bit area of this site which many users are complaining of the same issues. So it is that this was either done by Design by Microsoft, or yet another loss/bug of functionality from XP which should be addressed.

I will tell you one thing, I will not be upgrading to Microsoft's new OS anytime soon, cause I can't afford to have deal with change yet again with the real potiential to loing more functionality.
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Re: mp3 cd won't play in car
An Apology to all; The Mastered setting does work, one wouldn't think on a less than six month old laptop new drivers were need. Ugh. Again my apologies, I heard that manufactures were slow to build good drivers for Vista but this was ridiculous. Should always check for drivers first.... I knew that.... Thanks to all who tried to help and to have me only only send back sour responses in return. I feel stupid enough....
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Re: mp3 cd won't play in car

did anyone find a fix for this? I can say i've identified the problem. i
have both OS's at home and if i look at the cd on an XP computer i found
out that vista also burned the album art onto the cd, which made it
incompatible. it basically has both song files and pictures. does anyone
know how to just burn the songs? i currently have to save all my songs
to a removable drive and burn it on my other computer which is a pain


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