Mail vs Live Mail vs Live Mail Desktop vs Outlook Express

Hi Everyone,
I'm just getting Vista running on my systems and now I've run into huge,
heaping, steaming mound of confusion regarding all of these email
applications.

1. Can Outlook Express be used in Vista?

2. If it can't and I have to use one of the other email clients, which one
is actually destined to be the front runner in Vista: Mail, Live Mail, or
Live Mail Desktop?

3. What's the difference between Live Mail, Live Mail Desktop, and Live Mail
Hotmail?

4. I have tried Live Mail already, but it kept hanging up every time I tried
to do something with the message folders I imported from Outlook Express.
Finally I gave up, uninstalled it, and went back to Mail.

I do have a large number of messages in those folders. Outlook Express sure
has no problems opening and closing them. Are these persistent lockups a bug
in Live Mail, or is there some way it should be configured to handle a large
message store?

I'm not exactly crazy about Mail either, but at least it works.

Thanks to all for your time and patience in reading this message! Have a
good one,

Big Al Mintaka

Systems:
Two Dell Dimensions, 8300 and 8400
3,2 GHz 1GB RAM
HD Internal (2 each) 250GB, ~150GB free
HD USB2 (4 each) 350GB, ~200GB free
DVD+/-RW NEC 3450A, 3530A ATA
Graphics ATI Radeon 9800XT 256MB
Linksys WRT54GS wireless router
OS: Vista Ultimate
SW: The usual Windows crap

1. No.

2. Windows Live Mail Desktop has been renamed to Windows Live Mail. WLM is
the apparent replacement for Windows Mail. Windows Mail was provided with
Vista. Windows Live Mail has been released since, and has been updated a few
times.

3. Live Hotmail is, well... Hotmail... the web mail email service, not a
program.


--
http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview

"Big Al Mintaka" <Big Al Mintaka@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CAE7B087-847A-4E5C-AD3C-F90FEBBDF56C@microsoft.com...
> Hi Everyone,
> I'm just getting Vista running on my systems and now I've run into huge,
> heaping, steaming mound of confusion regarding all of these email
> applications.
>
> 1. Can Outlook Express be used in Vista?
>
> 2. If it can't and I have to use one of the other email clients, which one
> is actually destined to be the front runner in Vista: Mail, Live Mail, or
> Live Mail Desktop?
>
> 3. What's the difference between Live Mail, Live Mail Desktop, and Live
> Mail
> Hotmail?
>
> 4. I have tried Live Mail already, but it kept hanging up every time I
> tried
> to do something with the message folders I imported from Outlook Express.
> Finally I gave up, uninstalled it, and went back to Mail.
>
> I do have a large number of messages in those folders. Outlook Express
> sure
> has no problems opening and closing them. Are these persistent lockups a
> bug
> in Live Mail, or is there some way it should be configured to handle a
> large
> message store?
>
> I'm not exactly crazy about Mail either, but at least it works.
>
> Thanks to all for your time and patience in reading this message! Have a
> good one,
>
> Big Al Mintaka
>
> Systems:
> Two Dell Dimensions, 8300 and 8400
> 3,2 GHz 1GB RAM
> HD Internal (2 each) 250GB, ~150GB free
> HD USB2 (4 each) 350GB, ~200GB free
> DVD+/-RW NEC 3450A, 3530A ATA
> Graphics ATI Radeon 9800XT 256MB
> Linksys WRT54GS wireless router
> OS: Vista Ultimate
> SW: The usual Windows crap

"Big Al Mintaka" <Big Al Mintaka@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CAE7B087-847A-4E5C-AD3C-F90FEBBDF56C@microsoft.com...
> Hi Everyone,
> I'm just getting Vista running on my systems and now I've run into huge,
> heaping, steaming mound of confusion regarding all of these email
> applications.
>
> 1. Can Outlook Express be used in Vista?

No, it won't work under Vista.

> 2. If it can't and I have to use one of the other email clients, which one
> is actually destined to be the front runner in Vista: Mail, Live Mail, or
> Live Mail Desktop?

Windows Mail is the one that came with Vista. Microsoft has decided
to replace it with Windows Live Mail, which you can download here:

http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview

I think there's another program with the same name available elsewhere,
though. I'm not familiar with Live Mail Desktop.

> 3. What's the difference between Live Mail, Live Mail Desktop, and Live
> Mail
> Hotmail?

I don't know.

> 4. I have tried Live Mail already, but it kept hanging up every time I
> tried
> to do something with the message folders I imported from Outlook Express.
> Finally I gave up, uninstalled it, and went back to Mail.
>
> I do have a large number of messages in those folders. Outlook Express
> sure
> has no problems opening and closing them. Are these persistent lockups a
> bug
> in Live Mail, or is there some way it should be configured to handle a
> large
> message store?

You may find it easier to import the messages into Windows Mail, and then
let Windows Live Mail get them there.

<http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/email/import-dbx-files-outlook-express-windows-mail-vista-86458.html>

<http://www.vista4beginners.com/Migrate-from-Outlook-Express-to-Windows-Mail>

> I'm not exactly crazy about Mail either, but at least it works.
>
> Thanks to all for your time and patience in reading this message! Have a
> good one,
>
> Big Al Mintaka
>
> Systems:
> Two Dell Dimensions, 8300 and 8400
> 3,2 GHz 1GB RAM
> HD Internal (2 each) 250GB, ~150GB free
> HD USB2 (4 each) 350GB, ~200GB free
> DVD+/-RW NEC 3450A, 3530A ATA
> Graphics ATI Radeon 9800XT 256MB
> Linksys WRT54GS wireless router
> OS: Vista Ultimate
> SW: The usual Windows crap

"Big Al Mintaka" <Big Al Mintaka@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CAE7B087-847A-4E5C-AD3C-F90FEBBDF56C@microsoft.com...

<snip>
> 2. which one is actually destined to be the front runner in Vista: Mail,
> Live Mail, or
> Live Mail Desktop?
<snip>

There appears to be a misconception developing here in the replies to your
post, regarding the section that I quote.

With many Millions of copies of Vista already on the street and in the
stores, all around the world, there is only one answer to that question, it
has to be Windows Mail.

Just because WLM(D) has been developed to enable the 'Live' element and
bring back Hotmail availability, does not mean it is a Superior Program,
replacement (or an upgrade), it means that it has a revenue model, while WM
does not have such, (being part of the OS), and subsequently little
resources appear to be being used to improve its performance, sadly. It took
over 9 months of nagging by MVP's etc (Particularly Dr Steve Cochran MVP),
to get a fix released for the undeletable/stuck messages bug.

I hope that now that WLM is out of beta, that the resources that it as
hogged for the past two years, are now made available to the refining of WM,
(dream on)?
IMHO
--
Regards Steve.
MS-MVP. OE. [DTS] UK

I think we can agree to disagree. ;-)
It doesn't make good business sense for Microsoft to support two
similar email clients indefinitely. There hasn't been one inkling to suggest
that Microsoft will support Windows Mail more actively now that WLM
is out the door. Even post-release we are seeing more Microsoft
presence in the WLM newsgroup than we ever saw in this WM newsgroup.
--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]


" mac" <macknever@fsmail.net> wrote in message news:0BF17726-F7A8-4F5C-B4DF-798EEFEE6788@microsoft.com...
>
> "Big Al Mintaka" <Big Al Mintaka@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:CAE7B087-847A-4E5C-AD3C-F90FEBBDF56C@microsoft.com...
>
> <snip>
>> 2. which one is actually destined to be the front runner in Vista: Mail, Live Mail, or
>> Live Mail Desktop?
> <snip>
>
> There appears to be a misconception developing here in the replies to your post, regarding the section that I quote.
>
> With many Millions of copies of Vista already on the street and in the stores, all around the world, there is only one answer
> to that question, it has to be Windows Mail.
>
> Just because WLM(D) has been developed to enable the 'Live' element and bring back Hotmail availability, does not mean it is a
> Superior Program, replacement (or an upgrade), it means that it has a revenue model, while WM does not have such, (being part of
> the OS), and subsequently little resources appear to be being used to improve its performance, sadly. It took over 9 months of
> nagging by MVP's etc (Particularly Dr Steve Cochran MVP), to get a fix released for the undeletable/stuck messages bug.
>
> I hope that now that WLM is out of beta, that the resources that it as hogged for the past two years, are now made available to
> the refining of WM, (dream on)?
> IMHO
> --
> Regards Steve.
> MS-MVP. OE. [DTS] UK

<robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:%23MrNDaOSIHA.5404@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>
> I think there's another program with the same name available elsewhere,
> though. I'm not familiar with Live Mail Desktop.
>

Robert FYI:

WLM was WLMD when it was in beta testing, see the newsgroup name that it
still uses:
microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop
HTH?
More naming confusion for the newbie!!

--
Regards Steve.
MS-MVP. OE. [DTS] UK

some nasty bugs with contacts forced me to move to WLM, which I kind of
regret now, as the contacts used by WLM aren't handled (by what appears
to be) natively by vista - so when i click on the "contacts" folder in
explorer, i don't see WLM contacts, I see the good (buggy) old Windows
Mail.

Further, there doesn't seem to be a technique to easily import my
contacts which were nicely organised into subfolders and keep that
grouping (how can you auto create a group from a contacts folder?)

Bit of a mess if you ask me - is anyone at MS paying attention to this
mess? WLM seems a bit cobbled together if you ask me...


--
daimoh

Now I'm confused. I was under the impression that WLM was a webmail client app
similar to Gmail and Hotmail. If that's the case, how can it be called a
replacement for Windows Mail when it doesn't physically replace it?

I started to install WLM, but decided not to based on the content of its
companion conditions, which dwells on many cost issues for the user.

I think that Microsoft blew it in both apps. I'm looking into Mozilla's
Thunderbird as a workaround app for Vista users.

"Gary VanderMolen" <gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
news:O3U8yOQSIHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> I think we can agree to disagree. ;-)
> It doesn't make good business sense for Microsoft to support two
> similar email clients indefinitely. There hasn't been one inkling to suggest
> that Microsoft will support Windows Mail more actively now that WLM
> is out the door. Even post-release we are seeing more Microsoft
> presence in the WLM newsgroup than we ever saw in this WM newsgroup.
> --
> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>
>
> " mac" <macknever@fsmail.net> wrote in message
news:0BF17726-F7A8-4F5C-B4DF-798EEFEE6788@microsoft.com...
> >
> > "Big Al Mintaka" <Big Al Mintaka@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:CAE7B087-847A-4E5C-AD3C-F90FEBBDF56C@microsoft.com...
> >
> > <snip>
> >> 2. which one is actually destined to be the front runner in Vista: Mail,
Live Mail, or
> >> Live Mail Desktop?
> > <snip>
> >
> > There appears to be a misconception developing here in the replies to your
post, regarding the section that I quote.
> >
> > With many Millions of copies of Vista already on the street and in the
stores, all around the world, there is only one answer
> > to that question, it has to be Windows Mail.
> >
> > Just because WLM(D) has been developed to enable the 'Live' element and
bring back Hotmail availability, does not mean it is a
> > Superior Program, replacement (or an upgrade), it means that it has a
revenue model, while WM does not have such, (being part of
> > the OS), and subsequently little resources appear to be being used to
improve its performance, sadly. It took over 9 months of
> > nagging by MVP's etc (Particularly Dr Steve Cochran MVP), to get a fix
released for the undeletable/stuck messages bug.
> >
> > I hope that now that WLM is out of beta, that the resources that it as
hogged for the past two years, are now made available to
> > the refining of WM, (dream on)?
> > IMHO
> > --
> > Regards Steve.
> > MS-MVP. OE. [DTS] UK
>
>

Windows Live Mail replaces the mail functions of Windows Mail, but
doesn't install on top of it. Unlike Windows Mail, it can also connect
to webmail servers. I think there's another program with the same
name though available elsewhere, and a third program that also has
the abbreviation WLM.

The Windows Live Mail Microsoft is switching to is available here:

http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview

"David Webb" <dwebb211@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:e3iHeQUSIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Now I'm confused. I was under the impression that WLM was a webmail client
> app
> similar to Gmail and Hotmail. If that's the case, how can it be called a
> replacement for Windows Mail when it doesn't physically replace it?
>
> I started to install WLM, but decided not to based on the content of its
> companion conditions, which dwells on many cost issues for the user.
>
> I think that Microsoft blew it in both apps. I'm looking into Mozilla's
> Thunderbird as a workaround app for Vista users.
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:O3U8yOQSIHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> I think we can agree to disagree. ;-)
>> It doesn't make good business sense for Microsoft to support two
>> similar email clients indefinitely. There hasn't been one inkling to
>> suggest
>> that Microsoft will support Windows Mail more actively now that WLM
>> is out the door. Even post-release we are seeing more Microsoft
>> presence in the WLM newsgroup than we ever saw in this WM newsgroup.
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>>
>>
>> " mac" <macknever@fsmail.net> wrote in message
> news:0BF17726-F7A8-4F5C-B4DF-798EEFEE6788@microsoft.com...
>> >
>> > "Big Al Mintaka" <Big Al Mintaka@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> > message
>> > news:CAE7B087-847A-4E5C-AD3C-F90FEBBDF56C@microsoft.com...
>> >
>> > <snip>
>> >> 2. which one is actually destined to be the front runner in Vista:
>> >> Mail,
> Live Mail, or
>> >> Live Mail Desktop?
>> > <snip>
>> >
>> > There appears to be a misconception developing here in the replies to
>> > your
> post, regarding the section that I quote.
>> >
>> > With many Millions of copies of Vista already on the street and in the
> stores, all around the world, there is only one answer
>> > to that question, it has to be Windows Mail.
>> >
>> > Just because WLM(D) has been developed to enable the 'Live' element and
> bring back Hotmail availability, does not mean it is a
>> > Superior Program, replacement (or an upgrade), it means that it has a
> revenue model, while WM does not have such, (being part of
>> > the OS), and subsequently little resources appear to be being used to
> improve its performance, sadly. It took over 9 months of
>> > nagging by MVP's etc (Particularly Dr Steve Cochran MVP), to get a fix
> released for the undeletable/stuck messages bug.
>> >
>> > I hope that now that WLM is out of beta, that the resources that it as
> hogged for the past two years, are now made available to
>> > the refining of WM, (dream on)?
>> > IMHO
>> > --
>> > Regards Steve.
>> > MS-MVP. OE. [DTS] UK
>>
>>
>
>

Windows Live Mail does everything Windows Mail does (POP/IMAP/newsgroups),
plus it adds compatibility with Hotmail HTTP accounts.

I don't know what you mean by "companion conditions" or "cost issues".
I've been running the latest version of WLM practically 24/7, and there
are no costs or required companion apps.
--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]


"David Webb" <dwebb211@earthling.net> wrote in message news:e3iHeQUSIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Now I'm confused. I was under the impression that WLM was a webmail client app
> similar to Gmail and Hotmail. If that's the case, how can it be called a
> replacement for Windows Mail when it doesn't physically replace it?
>
> I started to install WLM, but decided not to based on the content of its
> companion conditions, which dwells on many cost issues for the user.
>
> I think that Microsoft blew it in both apps. I'm looking into Mozilla's
> Thunderbird as a workaround app for Vista users.
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:O3U8yOQSIHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> I think we can agree to disagree. ;-)
>> It doesn't make good business sense for Microsoft to support two
>> similar email clients indefinitely. There hasn't been one inkling to suggest
>> that Microsoft will support Windows Mail more actively now that WLM
>> is out the door. Even post-release we are seeing more Microsoft
>> presence in the WLM newsgroup than we ever saw in this WM newsgroup.
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
>>
>>
>> " mac" <macknever@fsmail.net> wrote in message
> news:0BF17726-F7A8-4F5C-B4DF-798EEFEE6788@microsoft.com...
>> >
>> > "Big Al Mintaka" <Big Al Mintaka@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> > news:CAE7B087-847A-4E5C-AD3C-F90FEBBDF56C@microsoft.com...
>> >
>> > <snip>
>> >> 2. which one is actually destined to be the front runner in Vista: Mail,
> Live Mail, or
>> >> Live Mail Desktop?
>> > <snip>
>> >
>> > There appears to be a misconception developing here in the replies to your
> post, regarding the section that I quote.
>> >
>> > With many Millions of copies of Vista already on the street and in the
> stores, all around the world, there is only one answer
>> > to that question, it has to be Windows Mail.
>> >
>> > Just because WLM(D) has been developed to enable the 'Live' element and
> bring back Hotmail availability, does not mean it is a
>> > Superior Program, replacement (or an upgrade), it means that it has a
> revenue model, while WM does not have such, (being part of
>> > the OS), and subsequently little resources appear to be being used to
> improve its performance, sadly. It took over 9 months of
>> > nagging by MVP's etc (Particularly Dr Steve Cochran MVP), to get a fix
> released for the undeletable/stuck messages bug.
>> >
>> > I hope that now that WLM is out of beta, that the resources that it as
> hogged for the past two years, are now made available to
>> > the refining of WM, (dream on)?
>> > IMHO
>> > --
>> > Regards Steve.
>> > MS-MVP. OE. [DTS] UK
>>
>>
>
>