Junk mail filtered before message rules

Using Windows Mail, I am subscribed to several newsgroups. I have message
rules set up to sort all messages with "[foo]" in the subject line into the
"foo" folder, "[bar]" goes into the "bar" folder.

Nothing complicated.

Problem is that the Junk Mail filtering takes place BEFORE it applies the
message rules, and some of the postings from the foo and bar mailing lists
get moved into the junk mail folder where they never get processed by the
rules.

I am forced to then manually run the rules filter, select all message rules,
selecting the Junk Mail folder, apply now. I have to then run this daily.

I have looked for a way to change the order of processing: have the rules
run prior to the junk filter, or simply have the rules filter include the
junk mail folder in its processing of new messages to no avail.

I'd say this is a 'bug' or rather an overlook of the design of the new junk
mail feature. Is there a way to work around this?

with the header hi-lited, click on MESSAGE at the top , select JUNK Mail and click on ADD to SAFE SENDER.

mikeyhsd@sport.rr.commikeyhsd@sport.rr.com

"Joel Helgeson" <JoelHelgeson@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:2533A240-BF53-4931-8B8C-6B350E1C0C51@microsoft.com...
Using Windows Mail, I am subscribed to several newsgroups. I have message
rules set up to sort all messages with "[foo]" in the subject line into the
"foo" folder, "[bar]" goes into the "bar" folder.

Nothing complicated.

Problem is that the Junk Mail filtering takes place BEFORE it applies the
message rules, and some of the postings from the foo and bar mailing lists
get moved into the junk mail folder where they never get processed by the
rules.

I am forced to then manually run the rules filter, select all message rules,
selecting the Junk Mail folder, apply now. I have to then run this daily.

I have looked for a way to change the order of processing: have the rules
run prior to the junk filter, or simply have the rules filter include the
junk mail folder in its processing of new messages to no avail.

I'd say this is a 'bug' or rather an overlook of the design of the new junk
mail feature. Is there a way to work around this?

It is not the *SENDER* that is the problem... each message comes from a
different person being posted to a mailing list. I would have to add all 5
billion people on the full-disclosure list... there is no way to add the
"subject line" to the safe senders list that I can see.

"mikeyhsd" wrote:

> with the header hi-lited, click on MESSAGE at the top , select JUNK Mail and click on ADD to SAFE SENDER.
>
> mikeyhsd@sport.rr.commikeyhsd@sport.rr.com
>
> "Joel Helgeson" <JoelHelgeson@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:2533A240-BF53-4931-8B8C-6B350E1C0C51@microsoft.com...
> Using Windows Mail, I am subscribed to several newsgroups. I have message
> rules set up to sort all messages with "[foo]" in the subject line into the
> "foo" folder, "[bar]" goes into the "bar" folder.
>
> Nothing complicated.
>
> Problem is that the Junk Mail filtering takes place BEFORE it applies the
> message rules, and some of the postings from the foo and bar mailing lists
> get moved into the junk mail folder where they never get processed by the
> rules.
>
> I am forced to then manually run the rules filter, select all message rules,
> selecting the Junk Mail folder, apply now. I have to then run this daily.
>
> I have looked for a way to change the order of processing: have the rules
> run prior to the junk filter, or simply have the rules filter include the
> junk mail folder in its processing of new messages to no avail.
>
> I'd say this is a 'bug' or rather an overlook of the design of the new junk
> mail feature. Is there a way to work around this?

"Joel Helgeson" <JoelHelgeson@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2533A240-BF53-4931-8B8C-6B350E1C0C51@microsoft.com...
> Using Windows Mail, I am subscribed to several newsgroups. I have message
> rules set up to sort all messages with "[foo]" in the subject line into
> the
> "foo" folder, "[bar]" goes into the "bar" folder.
>
> Nothing complicated.
>
> Problem is that the Junk Mail filtering takes place BEFORE it applies the
> message rules, and some of the postings from the foo and bar mailing lists
> get moved into the junk mail folder where they never get processed by the
> rules.
>
> I am forced to then manually run the rules filter, select all message
> rules,
> selecting the Junk Mail folder, apply now. I have to then run this daily.
>
> I have looked for a way to change the order of processing: have the rules
> run prior to the junk filter, or simply have the rules filter include the
> junk mail folder in its processing of new messages to no avail.
>
> I'd say this is a 'bug' or rather an overlook of the design of the new
> junk
> mail feature. Is there a way to work around this?

Extremely annoying, isn't it? This is definitely a design flaw.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Answer in newsgroup. Don't expect an answer to email.

Update: it IS actually processing the rules first, but I did get a
crypto-gram from bruse schneier that was appeared in the crypto-gram folder,
I clicked on the folder and it was gone - it had been detected as spam and
removed to the junk mail folder.

"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" wrote:

> "Joel Helgeson" <JoelHelgeson@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:2533A240-BF53-4931-8B8C-6B350E1C0C51@microsoft.com...
> > Using Windows Mail, I am subscribed to several newsgroups. I have message
> > rules set up to sort all messages with "[foo]" in the subject line into
> > the
> > "foo" folder, "[bar]" goes into the "bar" folder.
> >
> > Nothing complicated.
> >
> > Problem is that the Junk Mail filtering takes place BEFORE it applies the
> > message rules, and some of the postings from the foo and bar mailing lists
> > get moved into the junk mail folder where they never get processed by the
> > rules.
> >
> > I am forced to then manually run the rules filter, select all message
> > rules,
> > selecting the Junk Mail folder, apply now. I have to then run this daily.
> >
> > I have looked for a way to change the order of processing: have the rules
> > run prior to the junk filter, or simply have the rules filter include the
> > junk mail folder in its processing of new messages to no avail.
> >
> > I'd say this is a 'bug' or rather an overlook of the design of the new
> > junk
> > mail feature. Is there a way to work around this?
>
> Extremely annoying, isn't it? This is definitely a design flaw.
>
> --
> Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
> http://www.fjsmjs.com
> Answer in newsgroup. Don't expect an answer to email.
>
>

Well that's even worse. We're strongly advocating to MS that improvements
be made along these lines. Unfortunately there's no fix at the moment.

steve

"Joel Helgeson" <JoelHelgeson@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:ABB530AA-36E7-42DB-B132-9BBFEE3B753F@microsoft.com...
> Update: it IS actually processing the rules first, but I did get a
> crypto-gram from bruse schneier that was appeared in the crypto-gram
> folder,
> I clicked on the folder and it was gone - it had been detected as spam and
> removed to the junk mail folder.
>
> "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" wrote:
>
>> "Joel Helgeson" <JoelHelgeson@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:2533A240-BF53-4931-8B8C-6B350E1C0C51@microsoft.com...
>> > Using Windows Mail, I am subscribed to several newsgroups. I have
>> > message
>> > rules set up to sort all messages with "[foo]" in the subject line into
>> > the
>> > "foo" folder, "[bar]" goes into the "bar" folder.
>> >
>> > Nothing complicated.
>> >
>> > Problem is that the Junk Mail filtering takes place BEFORE it applies
>> > the
>> > message rules, and some of the postings from the foo and bar mailing
>> > lists
>> > get moved into the junk mail folder where they never get processed by
>> > the
>> > rules.
>> >
>> > I am forced to then manually run the rules filter, select all message
>> > rules,
>> > selecting the Junk Mail folder, apply now. I have to then run this
>> > daily.
>> >
>> > I have looked for a way to change the order of processing: have the
>> > rules
>> > run prior to the junk filter, or simply have the rules filter include
>> > the
>> > junk mail folder in its processing of new messages to no avail.
>> >
>> > I'd say this is a 'bug' or rather an overlook of the design of the new
>> > junk
>> > mail feature. Is there a way to work around this?
>>
>> Extremely annoying, isn't it? This is definitely a design flaw.
>>
>> --
>> Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
>> http://www.fjsmjs.com
>> Answer in newsgroup. Don't expect an answer to email.
>>
>>