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Is it safe to install using no updates option?

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Old 05-22-2007
Peter
 

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Is it safe to install using no updates option?
Is it acceptable to install Vista using the option for it NOT to search for
updates?
The reason I ask is that I am about to reinstall Vista for the 8th time
because it keeps insisting on installing the wrong drivers for ATI and for
my Motorola Bluetooth dongle and the system seizes up completely.

The second question is, if I choose (in System protection) for Vista NOT to
detect new hardware will that finally stop this endless cycle of unusable
installations?
Then I assume, all I'll have to keep an eye on is MSFT Updates to make sure
they don't sneak in that way.

3rd question is, the last install could have been saved if System Restore
had worked. I know booting into XP wipes SR points in Vista, but I never
did boot into XP yet it spent all night trying to restore, without success,
obviously. Does XP wipe the SR points anyway, whether or not you boot into
it in a dual boot situation?

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Peter
Toronto, Canada
XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate fully updated
P4 D865GBFL HT @ 3.0ghz 4.0gb DDR 700gb HD
Sapphire Radeon X1650 Pro Graphics
Creative Soundblaster Audigy 4 Audio
(Switched down to Radeon 9550 because of Vista's driver mistakes).


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Old 05-22-2007
koze
 

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Re: Is it safe to install using no updates option?
You should be able to uninstall the wrong udates and mark them as hidden not
showing again, they will be blocked that way!
ko

"Peter" <ex-brit AT rogers DOT com> schreef in bericht
news:OMRuPeFnHHA.4412@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Is it acceptable to install Vista using the option for it NOT to search
> for updates?
> The reason I ask is that I am about to reinstall Vista for the 8th time
> because it keeps insisting on installing the wrong drivers for ATI and for
> my Motorola Bluetooth dongle and the system seizes up completely.
>
> The second question is, if I choose (in System protection) for Vista NOT
> to detect new hardware will that finally stop this endless cycle of
> unusable installations?
> Then I assume, all I'll have to keep an eye on is MSFT Updates to make
> sure they don't sneak in that way.
>
> 3rd question is, the last install could have been saved if System Restore
> had worked. I know booting into XP wipes SR points in Vista, but I never
> did boot into XP yet it spent all night trying to restore, without
> success, obviously. Does XP wipe the SR points anyway, whether or not
> you boot into it in a dual boot situation?
>
> --
> Peter
> Toronto, Canada
> XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate fully updated
> P4 D865GBFL HT @ 3.0ghz 4.0gb DDR 700gb HD
> Sapphire Radeon X1650 Pro Graphics
> Creative Soundblaster Audigy 4 Audio
> (Switched down to Radeon 9550 because of Vista's driver mistakes).
>



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Old 05-22-2007
Mike Brannigan
 

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Re: Is it safe to install using no updates option?
"Peter" <ex-brit AT rogers DOT com> wrote in message
news:OMRuPeFnHHA.4412@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Is it acceptable to install Vista using the option for it NOT to search
> for updates?


Acceptable ??? - well it is technically feasible but you will not be patched
and updated.
So you will miss various critical security updates - but that is OK as you
can add them all later.

> The reason I ask is that I am about to reinstall Vista for the 8th time
> because it keeps insisting on installing the wrong drivers for ATI and for
> my Motorola Bluetooth dongle and the system seizes up completely.
>


Then manually update and only select those you wish to see and permanently
hide any that you do not wish to be applied or displayed as needing to be
applied.

> The second question is, if I choose (in System protection) for Vista NOT
> to detect new hardware will that finally stop this endless cycle of
> unusable installations?


You can choose for any single piece to not be re-detected during device
detection (post install).

> Then I assume, all I'll have to keep an eye on is MSFT Updates to make
> sure they don't sneak in that way.
>


Just hide any that you do not want to see and then set your automatic update
to check for updates but not automatically install them.

> 3rd question is, the last install could have been saved if System Restore
> had worked. I know booting into XP wipes SR points in Vista, but I never
> did boot into XP yet it spent all night trying to restore, without
> success, obviously. Does XP wipe the SR points anyway, whether or not
> you boot into it in a dual boot situation?
>
> --
> Peter
> Toronto, Canada
> XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate fully updated
> P4 D865GBFL HT @ 3.0ghz 4.0gb DDR 700gb HD
> Sapphire Radeon X1650 Pro Graphics
> Creative Soundblaster Audigy 4 Audio
> (Switched down to Radeon 9550 because of Vista's driver mistakes).
>


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Old 05-22-2007
Peter
 

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Re: Is it safe to install using no updates option?
I don't recall seeing any MSFT updates showing in "Uninstall software".

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Peter
Toronto, Canada
XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate fully updated
P4 D865GBFL HT @ 3.0ghz 4.0gb DDR 700gb HD
Sapphire Radeon X1650 Pro Graphics
Creative Soundblaster Audigy 4 Audio

"koze" <koze@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
news:eY%230slFnHHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> You should be able to uninstall the wrong udates and mark them as hidden
> not showing again, they will be blocked that way!
> ko
>
> "Peter" <ex-brit AT rogers DOT com> schreef in bericht
> news:OMRuPeFnHHA.4412@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Is it acceptable to install Vista using the option for it NOT to search
>> for updates?
>> The reason I ask is that I am about to reinstall Vista for the 8th time
>> because it keeps insisting on installing the wrong drivers for ATI and
>> for my Motorola Bluetooth dongle and the system seizes up completely.
>>
>> The second question is, if I choose (in System protection) for Vista NOT
>> to detect new hardware will that finally stop this endless cycle of
>> unusable installations?
>> Then I assume, all I'll have to keep an eye on is MSFT Updates to make
>> sure they don't sneak in that way.
>>
>> 3rd question is, the last install could have been saved if System Restore
>> had worked. I know booting into XP wipes SR points in Vista, but I never
>> did boot into XP yet it spent all night trying to restore, without
>> success, obviously. Does XP wipe the SR points anyway, whether or not
>> you boot into it in a dual boot situation?
>>
>> --
>> Peter
>> Toronto, Canada
>> XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate fully updated
>> P4 D865GBFL HT @ 3.0ghz 4.0gb DDR 700gb HD
>> Sapphire Radeon X1650 Pro Graphics
>> Creative Soundblaster Audigy 4 Audio
>> (Switched down to Radeon 9550 because of Vista's driver mistakes).
>>

>
>



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Old 05-22-2007
Peter
 

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Re: Is it safe to install using no updates option?
Thanks.

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Peter
Toronto, Canada
XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate fully updated
P4 D865GBFL HT @ 3.0ghz 4.0gb DDR 700gb HD
Sapphire Radeon X1650 Pro Graphics
Creative Soundblaster Audigy 4 Audio

"Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message
news:O0r7byFnHHA.2452@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> "Peter" <ex-brit AT rogers DOT com> wrote in message
> news:OMRuPeFnHHA.4412@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Is it acceptable to install Vista using the option for it NOT to search
>> for updates?

>
> Acceptable ??? - well it is technically feasible but you will not be
> patched and updated.
> So you will miss various critical security updates - but that is OK as you
> can add them all later.
>
>> The reason I ask is that I am about to reinstall Vista for the 8th time
>> because it keeps insisting on installing the wrong drivers for ATI and
>> for my Motorola Bluetooth dongle and the system seizes up completely.
>>

>
> Then manually update and only select those you wish to see and permanently
> hide any that you do not wish to be applied or displayed as needing to be
> applied.
>
>> The second question is, if I choose (in System protection) for Vista NOT
>> to detect new hardware will that finally stop this endless cycle of
>> unusable installations?

>
> You can choose for any single piece to not be re-detected during device
> detection (post install).
>
>> Then I assume, all I'll have to keep an eye on is MSFT Updates to make
>> sure they don't sneak in that way.
>>

>
> Just hide any that you do not want to see and then set your automatic
> update to check for updates but not automatically install them.
>
>> 3rd question is, the last install could have been saved if System Restore
>> had worked. I know booting into XP wipes SR points in Vista, but I never
>> did boot into XP yet it spent all night trying to restore, without
>> success, obviously. Does XP wipe the SR points anyway, whether or not
>> you boot into it in a dual boot situation?
>>
>> --
>> Peter
>> Toronto, Canada
>> XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate fully updated
>> P4 D865GBFL HT @ 3.0ghz 4.0gb DDR 700gb HD
>> Sapphire Radeon X1650 Pro Graphics
>> Creative Soundblaster Audigy 4 Audio
>> (Switched down to Radeon 9550 because of Vista's driver mistakes).
>>

>
> --
>
> Mike Brannigan



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Old 05-22-2007
Peter
 

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Re: Is it safe to install using no updates option?
Correction, I realise that is in the "view installed updates" section.

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Peter
Toronto, Canada
XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate fully updated
P4 D865GBFL HT @ 3.0ghz 4.0gb DDR 700gb HD
Sapphire Radeon X1650 Pro Graphics
Creative Soundblaster Audigy 4 Audio

"Peter" <ex-brit AT rogers DOT com> wrote in message
news:uHwzHVGnHHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I don't recall seeing any MSFT updates showing in "Uninstall software".
>
> --
> Peter
> Toronto, Canada
> XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate fully updated
> P4 D865GBFL HT @ 3.0ghz 4.0gb DDR 700gb HD
> Sapphire Radeon X1650 Pro Graphics
> Creative Soundblaster Audigy 4 Audio
>
> "koze" <koze@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
> news:eY%230slFnHHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> You should be able to uninstall the wrong udates and mark them as hidden
>> not showing again, they will be blocked that way!
>> ko
>>
>> "Peter" <ex-brit AT rogers DOT com> schreef in bericht
>> news:OMRuPeFnHHA.4412@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Is it acceptable to install Vista using the option for it NOT to search
>>> for updates?
>>> The reason I ask is that I am about to reinstall Vista for the 8th time
>>> because it keeps insisting on installing the wrong drivers for ATI and
>>> for my Motorola Bluetooth dongle and the system seizes up completely.
>>>
>>> The second question is, if I choose (in System protection) for Vista
>>> NOT to detect new hardware will that finally stop this endless cycle of
>>> unusable installations?
>>> Then I assume, all I'll have to keep an eye on is MSFT Updates to make
>>> sure they don't sneak in that way.
>>>
>>> 3rd question is, the last install could have been saved if System
>>> Restore had worked. I know booting into XP wipes SR points in Vista,
>>> but I never did boot into XP yet it spent all night trying to restore,
>>> without success, obviously. Does XP wipe the SR points anyway, whether
>>> or not you boot into it in a dual boot situation?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter
>>> Toronto, Canada
>>> XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate fully updated
>>> P4 D865GBFL HT @ 3.0ghz 4.0gb DDR 700gb HD
>>> Sapphire Radeon X1650 Pro Graphics
>>> Creative Soundblaster Audigy 4 Audio
>>> (Switched down to Radeon 9550 because of Vista's driver mistakes).
>>>

>>
>>

>
>



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Old 05-22-2007
koze
 

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Re: Is it safe to install using no updates option?
Indeed, I should have mentioned that, but am used to it and forget others
are not (yet).<GG>
From there you can uninstall the updates , and when they are presented
again, you can unselect, hide and select don't show this again.

Ko.

"Peter" <ex-brit AT rogers DOT com> schreef in bericht
news:eU4YccGnHHA.4132@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Correction, I realise that is in the "view installed updates" section.
>
> --
> Peter
> Toronto, Canada
> XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate fully updated
> P4 D865GBFL HT @ 3.0ghz 4.0gb DDR 700gb HD
> Sapphire Radeon X1650 Pro Graphics
> Creative Soundblaster Audigy 4 Audio
>
> "Peter" <ex-brit AT rogers DOT com> wrote in message
> news:uHwzHVGnHHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>I don't recall seeing any MSFT updates showing in "Uninstall software".
>>
>> --
>> Peter
>> Toronto, Canada
>> XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate fully updated
>> P4 D865GBFL HT @ 3.0ghz 4.0gb DDR 700gb HD
>> Sapphire Radeon X1650 Pro Graphics
>> Creative Soundblaster Audigy 4 Audio
>>
>> "koze" <koze@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
>> news:eY%230slFnHHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> You should be able to uninstall the wrong udates and mark them as hidden
>>> not showing again, they will be blocked that way!
>>> ko
>>>
>>> "Peter" <ex-brit AT rogers DOT com> schreef in bericht
>>> news:OMRuPeFnHHA.4412@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Is it acceptable to install Vista using the option for it NOT to search
>>>> for updates?
>>>> The reason I ask is that I am about to reinstall Vista for the 8th time
>>>> because it keeps insisting on installing the wrong drivers for ATI and
>>>> for my Motorola Bluetooth dongle and the system seizes up completely.
>>>>
>>>> The second question is, if I choose (in System protection) for Vista
>>>> NOT to detect new hardware will that finally stop this endless cycle of
>>>> unusable installations?
>>>> Then I assume, all I'll have to keep an eye on is MSFT Updates to make
>>>> sure they don't sneak in that way.
>>>>
>>>> 3rd question is, the last install could have been saved if System
>>>> Restore had worked. I know booting into XP wipes SR points in Vista,
>>>> but I never did boot into XP yet it spent all night trying to restore,
>>>> without success, obviously. Does XP wipe the SR points anyway,
>>>> whether or not you boot into it in a dual boot situation?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Peter
>>>> Toronto, Canada
>>>> XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate fully updated
>>>> P4 D865GBFL HT @ 3.0ghz 4.0gb DDR 700gb HD
>>>> Sapphire Radeon X1650 Pro Graphics
>>>> Creative Soundblaster Audigy 4 Audio
>>>> (Switched down to Radeon 9550 because of Vista's driver mistakes).
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>



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Old 05-22-2007
Peter
 

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Re: Is it safe to install using no updates option?
I've just finished installing it and everything except the Bluetooth dongle
and so far it's OK. ATI Catalyst 7.4 only sees one side of the dual mode
graphics card, but that doesn't matter, I don't use two monitors.
I've set System Protection to never detect new hardware and Updates to
notify me before downloading or installing and so far, so good ;-)

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Peter
Toronto, Canada
XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate fully updated
P4 D865GBFL HT @ 3.0ghz 4.0gb DDR 700gb HD
Sapphire Radeon X1650 Pro Graphics
Creative Soundblaster Audigy 4 Audio

"Peter" <ex-brit AT rogers DOT com> wrote in message
news:OMRuPeFnHHA.4412@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Is it acceptable to install Vista using the option for it NOT to search
> for updates?
> The reason I ask is that I am about to reinstall Vista for the 8th time
> because it keeps insisting on installing the wrong drivers for ATI and for
> my Motorola Bluetooth dongle and the system seizes up completely.
>
> The second question is, if I choose (in System protection) for Vista NOT
> to detect new hardware will that finally stop this endless cycle of
> unusable installations?
> Then I assume, all I'll have to keep an eye on is MSFT Updates to make
> sure they don't sneak in that way.
>
> 3rd question is, the last install could have been saved if System Restore
> had worked. I know booting into XP wipes SR points in Vista, but I never
> did boot into XP yet it spent all night trying to restore, without
> success, obviously. Does XP wipe the SR points anyway, whether or not
> you boot into it in a dual boot situation?
>
> --
> Peter
> Toronto, Canada
> XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate fully updated
> P4 D865GBFL HT @ 3.0ghz 4.0gb DDR 700gb HD
> Sapphire Radeon X1650 Pro Graphics
> Creative Soundblaster Audigy 4 Audio
> (Switched down to Radeon 9550 because of Vista's driver mistakes).
>



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