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Old 04-02-2009
Chad Harris
 

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Dual Boot of (2) Windows 7s (Now First Doesn't Show After Using One to Format Vista
I figure that since millions of Windows 7 installations on the CPP have been
made, not to mention tap build s and tech beta builds, that it is
appropriate to ask this question since

a) It involves a former Vista on a dual boot
b) MSFT has seen fit to put only one NNTP public group up for Win 7 and it
is an Italian one and I don't speak Italian or even drive a Ferrari or
Lamborghini or Maserati in Englishd
c) Darrell Gorter who has this stuff in his blood is kind enough to frequent
the setup group and share his skills.

___________________________________

I have dual booted and triple booted windows OS's many times including
combos of XP/Vista and lately Vista and Windows 7 with never a problem. I
always follow the rule that you are best off if you install the older OS
first with respect to Windows.

On both boxes I've had Win Vista and Win 7. As usual they showed the dual
boot on the black and white screen looking like this:

http://i44.tinypic.com/34i4kkh.jpg

On one of my boxes, a notebook, I decided I would replace my Vista boot with
a Windows 7 boot, and would then have a dual boot with Windows 7 on each
partition, so I could do some comparing with applications. These were both
64 bit Windows 7s.
..
I did not have enough room on the partition where Vista was (coexisting with
Windows 7). I had about 7 GB of free space, but for some reason Windows 7
wanted 11+GB on that partition.

I could not find away to make that kind of room possible, and diskmanagement
(diskmgmt.msc) would not let me add space (ghosted) nor would it even let me
format the Vista partition when I was on the other Windows 7 boot. So I
used g-parted, a pretty efficient Gnu partition manager which can do a
number of things that Vista and Win 7 Disk Management don't do, including
add space, subtract space, and format.

I tried to add space to the partition and after running and looking fine, at
the last second it balked and said there was an error and it didn't get the
job done. One tip I know about in using G-Parted Live Disk successfully, is
that you a) sometimes need to defrag first and also run chkdsk (I favor
using the R switch) so I did those. Another trick is (and this is quirky
because they don't tell you in the FAQs or anywhere else, is that you have
to go to the lower corner of the partition box and extend it out near the
width of your desktop, or it the apply button simply won't work. It also is
quirky to a non Linux user because of the terminology you don't understand,
and the gui box keeps disappearing while you're trying to work and you need
the lights out to see it well. But it does the job Windows won't do.

After saving what I wanted to save, since it would not add the space I
needed, I formatted the Vista partition. It formatted in 3 literal seconds
after I selected Format to NTFS on its right click context, and I installed
Windows 7 without a hitch.

HOWEVER, after installing Windows 7 on the partition formerly occupied by
Vista, the dual boot screen no longer shows Windows 7 partition (or boot
#1). I went to msconfig and it's not there on the boot tab as I know it
should be My latest Win 7 install is alone there listed as default.

It is: [Windows 7 (C:\Windows): Current OS; Default OS] on the msconfig
boot tab. The other partition would normally be listed there of course in a
dual boot, but since it's being hidden from me it's not showing up on the
msconfig boot tab.

If I go to my box where Vista and Win 7 are dual booted, they are both
listed there of course and that's been the case over the years with scores
of dual boots and some triple boots.

I can access all the material from that no longer available listed first Win
7 boot (and it's considerable and important to me), but I still want to get
it back as a dual booting option. I can simply navigate to the file path of
the original boot's desktop or wherever else I want--with the exception of
Win Live Mail and Outlook on that boot, which I tried to import but could
not, and I saved all the mail on another partition along with the docs and
the pics. I run all my music on the non-affected box.

So question #1 is:

How can I get this original Win 7 boot back? I was surprised because dual
booting has been terribly easy and convenient over the past few years.

I know that on many forums for years Easy BCD
http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1
and Vista Boot Pro
http://www.vistabootpro.org/

have been popular in these situations but I'd like to avoid having to use
them since I never have, but maybe I can't.

I'd really like to get this done with Windows tools.

Question #2 is:

The other problem is interesting. I've used Startup Repair not only to fix
no o boot Vistas and no boot Windows 7 but I ran into a road block.

I know now Win 7 allows you to access it without a DVD which is a good
thinge since OEMs and MSFT have traditionally refused to ship one with rare
exceptions with OEM box purchases.

I've used Startup Repair a few times when Win 7 won't boot for me rarely
after using G-Parted aLive to reduce partition size to get non-allocated
space to then add onto another partition because the partition is hidden
although most of the time I haven't had to.

I also have had great success with the bootrec switches when Startup Repair
won't work. But this time I was thrown a curve. I was asked for the
Homegroup password. I was surprised because I had not set any other
password. When I in stalled Win 7 on my 2nd box, in order to network the
two boxes in Win 7 setup it asked for the Homegroup password I used to
connect the two partitions on the first box and it networked them in setup
which is a nice touch for Win 7.

That wasn't a problem because I memorized it. It automatically supplied the
user name on the top of the pull down which was a choice of Homegroup $ or
the name I had given the Windows 7 computer. It didn't 'take the correct
password for either choice. I don't think this would have helped the
origi'nal above problem, hstowever if I run into it again if I need startup
repair (it wouldn't let me access the other repair choices either including
the command prompt, I'd like to know how to solvve problem #2.


By the way, Disk Management shows both partitions just as before I formatted
Vista and put Win 7 on the Vista partition, and like I say all the material
from Win 7 is accessable using the filepath for it but clearly the boot is
being hidden from me on startup and I want to unhide it.

In order to compare different things on both boots, I need to access the
other one "in Windows" instead of just via the file path.

I made this point to emphasize the boot of the original Win 7 is not gone at
all, it's just being *hidden* from me on boot.

Question #3 is:

At msconfig on the boot tab I notice there are checkboxs for OS boot
information, and no GUI boot e among others. Does anyone know what these do,
or where there is a good explanation for them?


I would appreciate any help for my problems very much. And if Darrell
Gorter[MSFT] happens to see this, I'd really appreciate your help. I can't
use any of the repair tools to fix this boot, because

#1 The boot is being hidden from me at startup including when I get the F8
Windows Advanced Options Menu

#2 I am running into that confounding request for my Homegroup password
which I am putting in correctly and it won't let me access repairing the Win
7 partition that is working beautifully and that I am typing this message
from. What's up with a password request to access startup repair when the
Homegroup password is only requested if you're networking boxes on setup of
a second Win 7 box, or if you're doing something to change the Homegroup
settings.

Thanks very much for any help,

CH


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Old 04-02-2009
Dave
 

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Re: Dual Boot of (2) Windows 7s (Now First Doesn't Show After Using One to Format Vista
There are no other Win 7 newsgroups.. there are forums...

The support forum for the Windows 7 Beta is:
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...egory/w7itpro/

Other forums are:
http://www.sevenforums.com/news/
http://forums.mydigitallife.info/forumdisplay.php?f=16
http://www.w7forums.com/


I've got Vista HP, Win 7 (7068) x86 and WIn 7 (7057) x64 on this computer.
And Vista + Win 7 (7068 x86 on a laptop.
No issues with muti-booting.

I'd try either EasyBCD or VistabootPro (no longer free), and if they don't
help, reinstall Win 7 as an upgrade over the existing.



--
Windows 7 beta
http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
http://download.live.com/wlmail


"Chad Harris" <Win 7@yes_she_sure_can.net> wrote in message
news:uefU0p1sJHA.4452@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> I figure that since millions of Windows 7 installations on the CPP have
> been
> made, not to mention tap build s and tech beta builds, that it is
> appropriate to ask this question since
>
> a) It involves a former Vista on a dual boot
> b) MSFT has seen fit to put only one NNTP public group up for Win 7 and it
> is an Italian one and I don't speak Italian or even drive a Ferrari or
> Lamborghini or Maserati in Englishd
> c) Darrell Gorter who has this stuff in his blood is kind enough to
> frequent
> the setup group and share his skills.
>
> ___________________________________
>
> I have dual booted and triple booted windows OS's many times including
> combos of XP/Vista and lately Vista and Windows 7 with never a problem. I
> always follow the rule that you are best off if you install the older OS
> first with respect to Windows.
>
> On both boxes I've had Win Vista and Win 7. As usual they showed the dual
> boot on the black and white screen looking like this:
>
> http://i44.tinypic.com/34i4kkh.jpg
>
> On one of my boxes, a notebook, I decided I would replace my Vista boot
> with
> a Windows 7 boot, and would then have a dual boot with Windows 7 on each
> partition, so I could do some comparing with applications. These were
> both
> 64 bit Windows 7s.
> .
> I did not have enough room on the partition where Vista was (coexisting
> with
> Windows 7). I had about 7 GB of free space, but for some reason Windows 7
> wanted 11+GB on that partition.
>
> I could not find away to make that kind of room possible, and
> diskmanagement
> (diskmgmt.msc) would not let me add space (ghosted) nor would it even let
> me
> format the Vista partition when I was on the other Windows 7 boot. So I
> used g-parted, a pretty efficient Gnu partition manager which can do a
> number of things that Vista and Win 7 Disk Management don't do, including
> add space, subtract space, and format.
>
> I tried to add space to the partition and after running and looking fine,
> at
> the last second it balked and said there was an error and it didn't get
> the
> job done. One tip I know about in using G-Parted Live Disk successfully,
> is
> that you a) sometimes need to defrag first and also run chkdsk (I favor
> using the R switch) so I did those. Another trick is (and this is quirky
> because they don't tell you in the FAQs or anywhere else, is that you have
> to go to the lower corner of the partition box and extend it out near the
> width of your desktop, or it the apply button simply won't work. It also
> is
> quirky to a non Linux user because of the terminology you don't
> understand,
> and the gui box keeps disappearing while you're trying to work and you
> need
> the lights out to see it well. But it does the job Windows won't do.
>
> After saving what I wanted to save, since it would not add the space I
> needed, I formatted the Vista partition. It formatted in 3 literal
> seconds
> after I selected Format to NTFS on its right click context, and I
> installed
> Windows 7 without a hitch.
>
> HOWEVER, after installing Windows 7 on the partition formerly occupied by
> Vista, the dual boot screen no longer shows Windows 7 partition (or boot
> #1). I went to msconfig and it's not there on the boot tab as I know it
> should be My latest Win 7 install is alone there listed as default.
>
> It is: [Windows 7 (C:\Windows): Current OS; Default OS] on the msconfig
> boot tab. The other partition would normally be listed there of course in
> a
> dual boot, but since it's being hidden from me it's not showing up on the
> msconfig boot tab.
>
> If I go to my box where Vista and Win 7 are dual booted, they are both
> listed there of course and that's been the case over the years with scores
> of dual boots and some triple boots.
>
> I can access all the material from that no longer available listed first
> Win
> 7 boot (and it's considerable and important to me), but I still want to
> get
> it back as a dual booting option. I can simply navigate to the file path
> of
> the original boot's desktop or wherever else I want--with the exception of
> Win Live Mail and Outlook on that boot, which I tried to import but could
> not, and I saved all the mail on another partition along with the docs and
> the pics. I run all my music on the non-affected box.
>
> So question #1 is:
>
> How can I get this original Win 7 boot back? I was surprised because dual
> booting has been terribly easy and convenient over the past few years.
>
> I know that on many forums for years Easy BCD
> http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1
> and Vista Boot Pro
> http://www.vistabootpro.org/
>
> have been popular in these situations but I'd like to avoid having to use
> them since I never have, but maybe I can't.
>
> I'd really like to get this done with Windows tools.
>
> Question #2 is:
>
> The other problem is interesting. I've used Startup Repair not only to
> fix
> no o boot Vistas and no boot Windows 7 but I ran into a road block.
>
> I know now Win 7 allows you to access it without a DVD which is a good
> thinge since OEMs and MSFT have traditionally refused to ship one with
> rare
> exceptions with OEM box purchases.
>
> I've used Startup Repair a few times when Win 7 won't boot for me rarely
> after using G-Parted aLive to reduce partition size to get non-allocated
> space to then add onto another partition because the partition is hidden
> although most of the time I haven't had to.
>
> I also have had great success with the bootrec switches when Startup
> Repair
> won't work. But this time I was thrown a curve. I was asked for the
> Homegroup password. I was surprised because I had not set any other
> password. When I in stalled Win 7 on my 2nd box, in order to network the
> two boxes in Win 7 setup it asked for the Homegroup password I used to
> connect the two partitions on the first box and it networked them in setup
> which is a nice touch for Win 7.
>
> That wasn't a problem because I memorized it. It automatically supplied
> the
> user name on the top of the pull down which was a choice of Homegroup $ or
> the name I had given the Windows 7 computer. It didn't 'take the correct
> password for either choice. I don't think this would have helped the
> origi'nal above problem, hstowever if I run into it again if I need
> startup
> repair (it wouldn't let me access the other repair choices either
> including
> the command prompt, I'd like to know how to solvve problem #2.
>
>
> By the way, Disk Management shows both partitions just as before I
> formatted
> Vista and put Win 7 on the Vista partition, and like I say all the
> material
> from Win 7 is accessable using the filepath for it but clearly the boot is
> being hidden from me on startup and I want to unhide it.
>
> In order to compare different things on both boots, I need to access the
> other one "in Windows" instead of just via the file path.
>
> I made this point to emphasize the boot of the original Win 7 is not gone
> at
> all, it's just being *hidden* from me on boot.
>
> Question #3 is:
>
> At msconfig on the boot tab I notice there are checkboxs for OS boot
> information, and no GUI boot e among others. Does anyone know what these
> do,
> or where there is a good explanation for them?
>
>
> I would appreciate any help for my problems very much. And if Darrell
> Gorter[MSFT] happens to see this, I'd really appreciate your help. I
> can't
> use any of the repair tools to fix this boot, because
>
> #1 The boot is being hidden from me at startup including when I get the F8
> Windows Advanced Options Menu
>
> #2 I am running into that confounding request for my Homegroup password
> which I am putting in correctly and it won't let me access repairing the
> Win
> 7 partition that is working beautifully and that I am typing this message
> from. What's up with a password request to access startup repair when the
> Homegroup password is only requested if you're networking boxes on setup
> of
> a second Win 7 box, or if you're doing something to change the Homegroup
> settings.
>
> Thanks very much for any help,
>
> CH
>
>

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Old 04-02-2009
Chad Harris
 

Posts: n/a
Re: Dual Boot of (2) Windows 7s (Now First Doesn't Show After Using One to Format Vista
Hi Dave--

It's not the existing that is the problem at least not the last boot I
installed. It's the first. But you gave me an good idea and I'm going right
to it. I'm going to try to install Win 7 upgrade over the existing
***original one * that isn't showing a boot option. I think my chances are
pretty good, and thanks for thinking of that for me.

I should have stated that I'm using Build 7068 and I have found that you can
upgrade Vista Beta builds perfectly to the next build. The other build was
7048, and hopefully I'll be able to upgrade install onto it and get it back
on the boot roster.

I remember with the Vista Betas that files expanding as they evolved through
Beta builds took a lot more space as they headed toward their "RC1" than
when they RTM'd. Right now 7069 even though about 3.2GB is demanding about
11+GB to install which pinches me for space on my notebook. Disk Management
is limited in what it can do compared to Linux's Live G-Parted. If only I
understood the quirky (to me) terminology on that G-Parted interface which
has somewhat of a learning curve, I could possibly repair this hiddyen boot
with that.

Any clue about the password that I'm giving it to access Startup Repair
which of course wouldn't help me for the boot that is hidden anyway?

I was able a couple times when 7057 would not boot to just put in the DVD
and it fixed itself without even needing Startup Repair or the bootrec
switches which are underused and very helpful and fast at fixing Vista and
Win 7 BSOD No Boots IMHO.

Thanks for an excellent idea I should have already thought of.

If you mention any Build beyond 7000 on those Technet forums then they lock
the thread and give you a finger wagging. And when you think about it,
that's really hypocritical and frankly just non-sensical.

MSFT really wants to get Win 7 running well and they want to sell it badly
to recoup what they feel were missed Vista sales and they hope to do this
with speed and stability and more CPU efficiency as well as with some good
features.

I have worked with MSFT people at Redmond on different to fix some bugs
already. If I see a legit bug I just try to communicate it to them
directly. I noticed by the way that the bug reporting tool seemed to end
with Build 7057 because it no longer shows up on the Desktolp of 7068.

Thanks much for the idea. I'll let you know.

CH

"Dave" <Dave@beepbeepbeepbeep.com> wrote in message
news:#x6gye5sJHA.5516@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> There are no other Win 7 newsgroups.. there are forums...
>
> The support forum for the Windows 7 Beta is:
> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...egory/w7itpro/
>
> Other forums are:
> http://www.sevenforums.com/news/
> http://forums.mydigitallife.info/forumdisplay.php?f=16
> http://www.w7forums.com/
>
>
> I've got Vista HP, Win 7 (7068) x86 and WIn 7 (7057) x64 on this computer.
> And Vista + Win 7 (7068 x86 on a laptop.
> No issues with muti-booting.
>
> I'd try either EasyBCD or VistabootPro (no longer free), and if they don't
> help, reinstall Win 7 as an upgrade over the existing.
>
>
>
> --
> Windows 7 beta
> http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
> http://download.live.com/wlmail
>
>
> "Chad Harris" <Win 7@yes_she_sure_can.net> wrote in message
> news:uefU0p1sJHA.4452@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> I figure that since millions of Windows 7 installations on the CPP have
>> been
>> made, not to mention tap build s and tech beta builds, that it is
>> appropriate to ask this question since
>>
>> a) It involves a former Vista on a dual boot
>> b) MSFT has seen fit to put only one NNTP public group up for Win 7 and
>> it
>> is an Italian one and I don't speak Italian or even drive a Ferrari or
>> Lamborghini or Maserati in Englishd
>> c) Darrell Gorter who has this stuff in his blood is kind enough to
>> frequent
>> the setup group and share his skills.
>>
>> ___________________________________
>>
>> I have dual booted and triple booted windows OS's many times including
>> combos of XP/Vista and lately Vista and Windows 7 with never a problem.
>> I
>> always follow the rule that you are best off if you install the older OS
>> first with respect to Windows.
>>
>> On both boxes I've had Win Vista and Win 7. As usual they showed the
>> dual
>> boot on the black and white screen looking like this:
>>
>> http://i44.tinypic.com/34i4kkh.jpg
>>
>> On one of my boxes, a notebook, I decided I would replace my Vista boot
>> with
>> a Windows 7 boot, and would then have a dual boot with Windows 7 on each
>> partition, so I could do some comparing with applications. These were
>> both
>> 64 bit Windows 7s.
>> .
>> I did not have enough room on the partition where Vista was (coexisting
>> with
>> Windows 7). I had about 7 GB of free space, but for some reason Windows 7
>> wanted 11+GB on that partition.
>>
>> I could not find away to make that kind of room possible, and
>> diskmanagement
>> (diskmgmt.msc) would not let me add space (ghosted) nor would it even let
>> me
>> format the Vista partition when I was on the other Windows 7 boot. So I
>> used g-parted, a pretty efficient Gnu partition manager which can do a
>> number of things that Vista and Win 7 Disk Management don't do, including
>> add space, subtract space, and format.
>>
>> I tried to add space to the partition and after running and looking fine,
>> at
>> the last second it balked and said there was an error and it didn't get
>> the
>> job done. One tip I know about in using G-Parted Live Disk successfully,
>> is
>> that you a) sometimes need to defrag first and also run chkdsk (I favor
>> using the R switch) so I did those. Another trick is (and this is quirky
>> because they don't tell you in the FAQs or anywhere else, is that you
>> have
>> to go to the lower corner of the partition box and extend it out near the
>> width of your desktop, or it the apply button simply won't work. It also
>> is
>> quirky to a non Linux user because of the terminology you don't
>> understand,
>> and the gui box keeps disappearing while you're trying to work and you
>> need
>> the lights out to see it well. But it does the job Windows won't do.
>>
>> After saving what I wanted to save, since it would not add the space I
>> needed, I formatted the Vista partition. It formatted in 3 literal
>> seconds
>> after I selected Format to NTFS on its right click context, and I
>> installed
>> Windows 7 without a hitch.
>>
>> HOWEVER, after installing Windows 7 on the partition formerly occupied by
>> Vista, the dual boot screen no longer shows Windows 7 partition (or boot
>> #1). I went to msconfig and it's not there on the boot tab as I know it
>> should be My latest Win 7 install is alone there listed as default.
>>
>> It is: [Windows 7 (C:\Windows): Current OS; Default OS] on the msconfig
>> boot tab. The other partition would normally be listed there of course in
>> a
>> dual boot, but since it's being hidden from me it's not showing up on the
>> msconfig boot tab.
>>
>> If I go to my box where Vista and Win 7 are dual booted, they are both
>> listed there of course and that's been the case over the years with
>> scores
>> of dual boots and some triple boots.
>>
>> I can access all the material from that no longer available listed first
>> Win
>> 7 boot (and it's considerable and important to me), but I still want to
>> get
>> it back as a dual booting option. I can simply navigate to the file path
>> of
>> the original boot's desktop or wherever else I want--with the exception
>> of
>> Win Live Mail and Outlook on that boot, which I tried to import but could
>> not, and I saved all the mail on another partition along with the docs
>> and
>> the pics. I run all my music on the non-affected box.
>>
>> So question #1 is:
>>
>> How can I get this original Win 7 boot back? I was surprised because dual
>> booting has been terribly easy and convenient over the past few years.
>>
>> I know that on many forums for years Easy BCD
>> http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1
>> and Vista Boot Pro
>> http://www.vistabootpro.org/
>>
>> have been popular in these situations but I'd like to avoid having to use
>> them since I never have, but maybe I can't.
>>
>> I'd really like to get this done with Windows tools.
>>
>> Question #2 is:
>>
>> The other problem is interesting. I've used Startup Repair not only to
>> fix
>> no o boot Vistas and no boot Windows 7 but I ran into a road block.
>>
>> I know now Win 7 allows you to access it without a DVD which is a good
>> thinge since OEMs and MSFT have traditionally refused to ship one with
>> rare
>> exceptions with OEM box purchases.
>>
>> I've used Startup Repair a few times when Win 7 won't boot for me rarely
>> after using G-Parted aLive to reduce partition size to get non-allocated
>> space to then add onto another partition because the partition is hidden
>> although most of the time I haven't had to.
>>
>> I also have had great success with the bootrec switches when Startup
>> Repair
>> won't work. But this time I was thrown a curve. I was asked for the
>> Homegroup password. I was surprised because I had not set any other
>> password. When I in stalled Win 7 on my 2nd box, in order to network
>> the
>> two boxes in Win 7 setup it asked for the Homegroup password I used to
>> connect the two partitions on the first box and it networked them in
>> setup
>> which is a nice touch for Win 7.
>>
>> That wasn't a problem because I memorized it. It automatically supplied
>> the
>> user name on the top of the pull down which was a choice of Homegroup $
>> or
>> the name I had given the Windows 7 computer. It didn't 'take the correct
>> password for either choice. I don't think this would have helped the
>> origi'nal above problem, hstowever if I run into it again if I need
>> startup
>> repair (it wouldn't let me access the other repair choices either
>> including
>> the command prompt, I'd like to know how to solvve problem #2.
>>
>>
>> By the way, Disk Management shows both partitions just as before I
>> formatted
>> Vista and put Win 7 on the Vista partition, and like I say all the
>> material
>> from Win 7 is accessable using the filepath for it but clearly the boot
>> is
>> being hidden from me on startup and I want to unhide it.
>>
>> In order to compare different things on both boots, I need to access the
>> other one "in Windows" instead of just via the file path.
>>
>> I made this point to emphasize the boot of the original Win 7 is not gone
>> at
>> all, it's just being *hidden* from me on boot.
>>
>> Question #3 is:
>>
>> At msconfig on the boot tab I notice there are checkboxs for OS boot
>> information, and no GUI boot e among others. Does anyone know what these
>> do,
>> or where there is a good explanation for them?
>>
>>
>> I would appreciate any help for my problems very much. And if Darrell
>> Gorter[MSFT] happens to see this, I'd really appreciate your help. I
>> can't
>> use any of the repair tools to fix this boot, because
>>
>> #1 The boot is being hidden from me at startup including when I get the
>> F8
>> Windows Advanced Options Menu
>>
>> #2 I am running into that confounding request for my Homegroup password
>> which I am putting in correctly and it won't let me access repairing the
>> Win
>> 7 partition that is working beautifully and that I am typing this message
>> from. What's up with a password request to access startup repair when
>> the
>> Homegroup password is only requested if you're networking boxes on setup
>> of
>> a second Win 7 box, or if you're doing something to change the Homegroup
>> settings.
>>
>> Thanks very much for any help,
>>
>> CH
>>
>>

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Old 04-02-2009
andy
 

Posts: n/a
Re: Dual Boot of (2) Windows 7s (Now First Doesn't Show After Using One to Format Vista
On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 02:15:43 -0400, "Chad Harris" <Win
7@yes_she_sure_can.net> wrote:

>I figure that since millions of Windows 7 installations on the CPP have been
>made, not to mention tap build s and tech beta builds, that it is
>appropriate to ask this question since
>
>a) It involves a former Vista on a dual boot
>b) MSFT has seen fit to put only one NNTP public group up for Win 7 and it
>is an Italian one and I don't speak Italian or even drive a Ferrari or
>Lamborghini or Maserati in Englishd
>c) Darrell Gorter who has this stuff in his blood is kind enough to frequent
>the setup group and share his skills.
>
>___________________________________
>
>I have dual booted and triple booted windows OS's many times including
>combos of XP/Vista and lately Vista and Windows 7 with never a problem. I
>always follow the rule that you are best off if you install the older OS
>first with respect to Windows.
>
>On both boxes I've had Win Vista and Win 7. As usual they showed the dual
>boot on the black and white screen looking like this:
>
>http://i44.tinypic.com/34i4kkh.jpg
>
>On one of my boxes, a notebook, I decided I would replace my Vista boot with
>a Windows 7 boot, and would then have a dual boot with Windows 7 on each
>partition, so I could do some comparing with applications. These were both
>64 bit Windows 7s.
>.
>I did not have enough room on the partition where Vista was (coexisting with
>Windows 7). I had about 7 GB of free space, but for some reason Windows 7
>wanted 11+GB on that partition.
>
>I could not find away to make that kind of room possible, and diskmanagement
>(diskmgmt.msc) would not let me add space (ghosted) nor would it even let me
>format the Vista partition when I was on the other Windows 7 boot.


Disk Management is telling you, in not so many words, that you're
trying to format the Windows system partition.

> So I
>used g-parted, a pretty efficient Gnu partition manager which can do a
>number of things that Vista and Win 7 Disk Management don't do, including
>add space, subtract space, and format.
>
>I tried to add space to the partition and after running and looking fine, at
>the last second it balked and said there was an error and it didn't get the
>job done. One tip I know about in using G-Parted Live Disk successfully, is
>that you a) sometimes need to defrag first and also run chkdsk (I favor
>using the R switch) so I did those. Another trick is (and this is quirky
>because they don't tell you in the FAQs or anywhere else, is that you have
>to go to the lower corner of the partition box and extend it out near the
>width of your desktop, or it the apply button simply won't work. It also is
>quirky to a non Linux user because of the terminology you don't understand,
>and the gui box keeps disappearing while you're trying to work and you need
>the lights out to see it well. But it does the job Windows won't do.
>
>After saving what I wanted to save, since it would not add the space I
>needed, I formatted the Vista partition. It formatted in 3 literal seconds
>after I selected Format to NTFS on its right click context, and I installed
>Windows 7 without a hitch.
>
>HOWEVER, after installing Windows 7 on the partition formerly occupied by
>Vista, the dual boot screen no longer shows Windows 7 partition (or boot
>#1).


That's because you formatted the System partition, wiping out the BCD.

> I went to msconfig and it's not there on the boot tab as I know it
>should be My latest Win 7 install is alone there listed as default.
>
>It is: [Windows 7 (C:\Windows): Current OS; Default OS] on the msconfig
>boot tab. The other partition would normally be listed there of course in a
>dual boot, but since it's being hidden from me it's not showing up on the
>msconfig boot tab.
>
>If I go to my box where Vista and Win 7 are dual booted, they are both
>listed there of course and that's been the case over the years with scores
>of dual boots and some triple boots.
>
>I can access all the material from that no longer available listed first Win
>7 boot (and it's considerable and important to me), but I still want to get
>it back as a dual booting option. I can simply navigate to the file path of
>the original boot's desktop or wherever else I want--with the exception of
>Win Live Mail and Outlook on that boot, which I tried to import but could
>not, and I saved all the mail on another partition along with the docs and
>the pics. I run all my music on the non-affected box.
>
>So question #1 is:
>
>How can I get this original Win 7 boot back? I was surprised because dual
>booting has been terribly easy and convenient over the past few years.


Use the bootrec /rebuildbcd command.

>
>I know that on many forums for years Easy BCD
> http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1
> and Vista Boot Pro
>http://www.vistabootpro.org/
>
>have been popular in these situations but I'd like to avoid having to use
>them since I never have, but maybe I can't.
>
>I'd really like to get this done with Windows tools.
>
>Question #2 is:
>
>The other problem is interesting. I've used Startup Repair not only to fix
>no o boot Vistas and no boot Windows 7 but I ran into a road block.
>
>I know now Win 7 allows you to access it without a DVD which is a good
>thinge since OEMs and MSFT have traditionally refused to ship one with rare
>exceptions with OEM box purchases.
>
>I've used Startup Repair a few times when Win 7 won't boot for me rarely
>after using G-Parted aLive to reduce partition size to get non-allocated
>space to then add onto another partition because the partition is hidden
>although most of the time I haven't had to.
>
>I also have had great success with the bootrec switches when Startup Repair
>won't work. But this time I was thrown a curve. I was asked for the
>Homegroup password. I was surprised because I had not set any other
>password. When I in stalled Win 7 on my 2nd box, in order to network the
>two boxes in Win 7 setup it asked for the Homegroup password I used to
>connect the two partitions on the first box and it networked them in setup
>which is a nice touch for Win 7.
>
>That wasn't a problem because I memorized it. It automatically supplied the
>user name on the top of the pull down which was a choice of Homegroup $ or
>the name I had given the Windows 7 computer. It didn't 'take the correct
>password for either choice. I don't think this would have helped the
>origi'nal above problem, hstowever if I run into it again if I need startup
>repair (it wouldn't let me access the other repair choices either including
>the command prompt, I'd like to know how to solvve problem #2.
>
>
>By the way, Disk Management shows both partitions just as before I formatted
>Vista and put Win 7 on the Vista partition, and like I say all the material
>from Win 7 is accessable using the filepath for it but clearly the boot is
>being hidden from me on startup and I want to unhide it.
>
>In order to compare different things on both boots, I need to access the
>other one "in Windows" instead of just via the file path.
>
>I made this point to emphasize the boot of the original Win 7 is not gone at
>all, it's just being *hidden* from me on boot.
>
>Question #3 is:
>
>At msconfig on the boot tab I notice there are checkboxs for OS boot
>information, and no GUI boot e among others. Does anyone know what these do,
>or where there is a good explanation for them?
>
>
>I would appreciate any help for my problems very much. And if Darrell
>Gorter[MSFT] happens to see this, I'd really appreciate your help. I can't
>use any of the repair tools to fix this boot, because
>
>#1 The boot is being hidden from me at startup including when I get the F8
>Windows Advanced Options Menu
>
>#2 I am running into that confounding request for my Homegroup password
>which I am putting in correctly and it won't let me access repairing the Win
>7 partition that is working beautifully and that I am typing this message
>from. What's up with a password request to access startup repair when the
>Homegroup password is only requested if you're networking boxes on setup of
>a second Win 7 box, or if you're doing something to change the Homegroup
>settings.
>
>Thanks very much for any help,
>
>CH
>


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Old 04-02-2009
Chad Harris
 

Posts: n/a
Re: Dual Boot of (2) Windows 7s (Now First Doesn't Show After Using One to Format Vista
Andy--

I appreciate your time. I have been a big proponent of the bootrec switches
on this group. But how would you make that happen? If you have the way
please let me know. I understand my lengthy post may have been daunting to
read so let me make two quick points and hear your response.

1) Again the situation here was that at this screen shown in the link, my
original Windows 7 boot opportunity is no longer showing. That boot is
being hidden. So where and how am I going to apply the bootrec /rebuildbcd
command.

http://i44.tinypic.com/34i4kkh.jpg

2) What is also happening here that I've never seen before is that the only
place that I could apply the bootrec commands is the boot that is showing
that doesn't need it. And it's not even now letting me access the Startup
Repair tools including the command prompt outside windows where I love to
use the bootrec commands because it is demanding a Homegroup Password and
when I put it in it is not accepting it and I'm putting it in correctly.

Again the only OS I can get my hands on to apply Startup Repair is password
protecting Startup Repair and it won't take the correct password, and
besides that, the boot I have access to is working perfectly.

So, Andy where and how would you apply the bootrec /rebuild switch given
these circumstances. I appreciate your being savvy enough to be familiar
with the bootrec switches because they are very powerful and much underused
and unadvertised to the masses MSFT needs to reach on this.

Thanks,

CH



"andy" <bogusaddress@bogusaddress.123> wrote in message p
news:5f3at4prretgdualkbp86934tcc2v5i6bl@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 02:15:43 -0400, "Chad Harris" <Win
> 7@yes_she_sure_can.net> wrote:
>
>>I figure that since millions of Windows 7 installations on the CPP have
>>been
>>made, not to mention tap build s and tech beta builds, that it is
>>appropriate to ask this question since
>>
>>a) It involves a former Vista on a dual boot
>>b) MSFT has seen fit to put only one NNTP public group up for Win 7 and it
>>is an Italian one and I don't speak Italian or even drive a Ferrari or
>>Lamborghini or Maserati in Englishd
>>c) Darrell Gorter who has this stuff in his blood is kind enough to
>>frequent
>>the setup group and share his skills.
>>
>>___________________________________
>>
>>I have dual booted and triple booted windows OS's many times including
>>combos of XP/Vista and lately Vista and Windows 7 with never a problem. I
>>always follow the rule that you are best off if you install the older OS
>>first with respect to Windows.
>>
>>On both boxes I've had Win Vista and Win 7. As usual they showed the dual
>>boot on the black and white screen looking like this:
>>
>>http://i44.tinypic.com/34i4kkh.jpg
>>
>>On one of my boxes, a notebook, I decided I would replace my Vista boot
>>with
>>a Windows 7 boot, and would then have a dual boot with Windows 7 on each
>>partition, so I could do some comparing with applications. These were
>>both
>>64 bit Windows 7s.
>>.
>>I did not have enough room on the partition where Vista was (coexisting
>>with
>>Windows 7). I had about 7 GB of free space, but for some reason Windows 7
>>wanted 11+GB on that partition.
>>
>>I could not find away to make that kind of room possible, and
>>diskmanagement
>>(diskmgmt.msc) would not let me add space (ghosted) nor would it even let
>>me
>>format the Vista partition when I was on the other Windows 7 boot.

>
> Disk Management is telling you, in not so many words, that you're
> trying to format the Windows system partition.
>
>> So I
>>used g-parted, a pretty efficient Gnu partition manager which can do a
>>number of things that Vista and Win 7 Disk Management don't do, including
>>add space, subtract space, and format.
>>
>>I tried to add space to the partition and after running and looking fine,
>>at
>>the last second it balked and said there was an error and it didn't get
>>the
>>job done. One tip I know about in using G-Parted Live Disk successfully,
>>is
>>that you a) sometimes need to defrag first and also run chkdsk (I favor
>>using the R switch) so I did those. Another trick is (and this is quirky
>>because they don't tell you in the FAQs or anywhere else, is that you have
>>to go to the lower corner of the partition box and extend it out near the
>>width of your desktop, or it the apply button simply won't work. It also
>>is
>>quirky to a non Linux user because of the terminology you don't
>>understand,
>>and the gui box keeps disappearing while you're trying to work and you
>>need
>>the lights out to see it well. But it does the job Windows won't do.
>>
>>After saving what I wanted to save, since it would not add the space I
>>needed, I formatted the Vista partition. It formatted in 3 literal
>>seconds
>>after I selected Format to NTFS on its right click context, and I
>>installed
>>Windows 7 without a hitch.
>>
>>HOWEVER, after installing Windows 7 on the partition formerly occupied by
>>Vista, the dual boot screen no longer shows Windows 7 partition (or boot
>>#1).

>
> That's because you formatted the System partition, wiping out the BCD.
>
>> I went to msconfig and it's not there on the boot tab as I know it
>>should be My latest Win 7 install is alone there listed as default.
>>
>>It is: [Windows 7 (C:\Windows): Current OS; Default OS] on the msconfig
>>boot tab. The other partition would normally be listed there of course in
>>a
>>dual boot, but since it's being hidden from me it's not showing up on the
>>msconfig boot tab.
>>
>>If I go to my box where Vista and Win 7 are dual booted, they are both
>>listed there of course and that's been the case over the years with scores
>>of dual boots and some triple boots.
>>
>>I can access all the material from that no longer available listed first
>>Win
>>7 boot (and it's considerable and important to me), but I still want to
>>get
>>it back as a dual booting option. I can simply navigate to the file path
>>of
>>the original boot's desktop or wherever else I want--with the exception of
>>Win Live Mail and Outlook on that boot, which I tried to import but could
>>not, and I saved all the mail on another partition along with the docs and
>>the pics. I run all my music on the non-affected box.
>>
>>So question #1 is:
>>
>>How can I get this original Win 7 boot back? I was surprised because dual
>>booting has been terribly easy and convenient over the past few years.

>
> Use the bootrec /rebuildbcd command.
>
>>
>>I know that on many forums for years Easy BCD
>> http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1
>> and Vista Boot Pro
>>http://www.vistabootpro.org/
>>
>>have been popular in these situations but I'd like to avoid having to use
>>them since I never have, but maybe I can't.
>>
>>I'd really like to get this done with Windows tools.
>>
>>Question #2 is:
>>
>>The other problem is interesting. I've used Startup Repair not only to
>>fix
>>no o boot Vistas and no boot Windows 7 but I ran into a road block.
>>
>>I know now Win 7 allows you to access it without a DVD which is a good
>>thinge since OEMs and MSFT have traditionally refused to ship one with
>>rare
>>exceptions with OEM box purchases.
>>
>>I've used Startup Repair a few times when Win 7 won't boot for me rarely
>>after using G-Parted aLive to reduce partition size to get non-allocated
>>space to then add onto another partition because the partition is hidden
>>although most of the time I haven't had to.
>>
>>I also have had great success with the bootrec switches when Startup
>>Repair
>>won't work. But this time I was thrown a curve. I was asked for the
>>Homegroup password. I was surprised because I had not set any other
>>password. When I in stalled Win 7 on my 2nd box, in order to network the
>>two boxes in Win 7 setup it asked for the Homegroup password I used to
>>connect the two partitions on the first box and it networked them in setup
>>which is a nice touch for Win 7.
>>
>>That wasn't a problem because I memorized it. It automatically supplied
>>the
>>user name on the top of the pull down which was a choice of Homegroup $ or
>>the name I had given the Windows 7 computer. It didn't 'take the correct
>>password for either choice. I don't think this would have helped the
>>origi'nal above problem, hstowever if I run into it again if I need
>>startup
>>repair (it wouldn't let me access the other repair choices either
>>including
>>the command prompt, I'd like to know how to solvve problem #2.
>>
>>
>>By the way, Disk Management shows both partitions just as before I
>>formatted
>>Vista and put Win 7 on the Vista partition, and like I say all the
>>material
>>from Win 7 is accessable using the filepath for it but clearly the boot is
>>being hidden from me on startup and I want to unhide it.
>>
>>In order to compare different things on both boots, I need to access the
>>other one "in Windows" instead of just via the file path.
>>
>>I made this point to emphasize the boot of the original Win 7 is not gone
>>at
>>all, it's just being *hidden* from me on boot.
>>
>>Question #3 is:
>>
>>At msconfig on the boot tab I notice there are checkboxs for OS boot
>>information, and no GUI boot e among others. Does anyone know what these
>>do,
>>or where there is a good explanation for them?
>>
>>
>>I would appreciate any help for my problems very much. And if Darrell
>>Gorter[MSFT] happens to see this, I'd really appreciate your help. I
>>can't
>>use any of the repair tools to fix this boot, because
>>
>>#1 The boot is being hidden from me at startup including when I get the F8
>>Windows Advanced Options Menu
>>
>>#2 I am running into that confounding request for my Homegroup password
>>which I am putting in correctly and it won't let me access repairing the
>>Win
>>7 partition that is working beautifully and that I am typing this message
>>from. What's up with a password request to access startup repair when the
>>Homegroup password is only requested if you're networking boxes on setup
>>of
>>a second Win 7 box, or if you're doing something to change the Homegroup
>>settings.
>>
>>Thanks very much for any help,
>>
>>CH
>>

>

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Old 04-02-2009
Chad Harris
 

Posts: n/a
Re: Dual Boot of (2) Windows 7s (Now First Doesn't Show After Using One to Format Vista
Dave--

I tried your idea of Upgrading several times. Normally when you do that
from any partition/boot of Windows, since Vista or in Win 7 you get a choice
of drives/partitions to choose. I was hoping that would do it since the
boot I cannot make happen anymore is on my E:\ drive. However, I'm not
getting this choice of a drive to send the upgrade to, and it will only do
an upgrade install on this current Win 7 install which doesn't need any
repairing, so I'm still having a problem reaching that drive either with a
setup install or from a restart.

It looks like I'll have to try to see what Easy BCD can do for me. I don't
have a way to get at this boot to try to run the bootrec /rebuildbcd switch.

CH

"Dave" <Dave@beepbeepbeepbeep.com> wrote in message
news:#x6gye5sJHA.5516@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> There are no other Win 7 newsgroups.. there are forums...
>
> The support forum for the Windows 7 Beta is:
> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...egory/w7itpro/
>
> Other forums are:
> http://www.sevenforums.com/news/
> http://forums.mydigitallife.info/forumdisplay.php?f=16
> http://www.w7forums.com/
>
>
> I've got Vista HP, Win 7 (7068) x86 and WIn 7 (7057) x64 on this computer.
> And Vista + Win 7 (7068 x86 on a laptop.
> No issues with muti-booting.
>
> I'd try either EasyBCD or VistabootPro (no longer free), and if they don't
> help, reinstall Win 7 as an upgrade over the existing.
>
>
>
> --
> Windows 7 beta
> http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
> http://download.live.com/wlmail
>
>
> "Chad Harris" <Win 7@yes_she_sure_can.net> wrote in message
> news:uefU0p1sJHA.4452@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> I figure that since millions of Windows 7 installations on the CPP have
>> been
>> made, not to mention tap build s and tech beta builds, that it is
>> appropriate to ask this question since
>>
>> a) It involves a former Vista on a dual boot
>> b) MSFT has seen fit to put only one NNTP public group up for Win 7 and
>> it
>> is an Italian one and I don't speak Italian or even drive a Ferrari or
>> Lamborghini or Maserati in Englishd
>> c) Darrell Gorter who has this stuff in his blood is kind enough to
>> frequent
>> the setup group and share his skills.
>>
>> ___________________________________
>>
>> I have dual booted and triple booted windows OS's many times including
>> combos of XP/Vista and lately Vista and Windows 7 with never a problem.
>> I
>> always follow the rule that you are best off if you install the older OS
>> first with respect to Windows.
>>
>> On both boxes I've had Win Vista and Win 7. As usual they showed the
>> dual
>> boot on the black and white screen looking like this:
>>
>> http://i44.tinypic.com/34i4kkh.jpg
>>
>> On one of my boxes, a notebook, I decided I would replace my Vista boot
>> with
>> a Windows 7 boot, and would then have a dual boot with Windows 7 on each
>> partition, so I could do some comparing with applications. These were
>> both
>> 64 bit Windows 7s.
>> .
>> I did not have enough room on the partition where Vista was (coexisting
>> with
>> Windows 7). I had about 7 GB of free space, but for some reason Windows 7
>> wanted 11+GB on that partition.
>>
>> I could not find away to make that kind of room possible, and
>> diskmanagement
>> (diskmgmt.msc) would not let me add space (ghosted) nor would it even let
>> me
>> format the Vista partition when I was on the other Windows 7 boot. So I
>> used g-parted, a pretty efficient Gnu partition manager which can do a
>> number of things that Vista and Win 7 Disk Management don't do, including
>> add space, subtract space, and format.
>>
>> I tried to add space to the partition and after running and looking fine,
>> at
>> the last second it balked and said there was an error and it didn't get
>> the
>> job done. One tip I know about in using G-Parted Live Disk successfully,
>> is
>> that you a) sometimes need to defrag first and also run chkdsk (I favor
>> using the R switch) so I did those. Another trick is (and this is quirky
>> because they don't tell you in the FAQs or anywhere else, is that you
>> have
>> to go to the lower corner of the partition box and extend it out near the
>> width of your desktop, or it the apply button simply won't work. It also
>> is
>> quirky to a non Linux user because of the terminology you don't
>> understand,
>> and the gui box keeps disappearing while you're trying to work and you
>> need
>> the lights out to see it well. But it does the job Windows won't do.
>>
>> After saving what I wanted to save, since it would not add the space I
>> needed, I formatted the Vista partition. It formatted in 3 literal
>> seconds
>> after I selected Format to NTFS on its right click context, and I
>> installed
>> Windows 7 without a hitch.
>>
>> HOWEVER, after installing Windows 7 on the partition formerly occupied by
>> Vista, the dual boot screen no longer shows Windows 7 partition (or boot
>> #1). I went to msconfig and it's not there on the boot tab as I know it
>> should be My latest Win 7 install is alone there listed as default.
>>
>> It is: [Windows 7 (C:\Windows): Current OS; Default OS] on the msconfig
>> boot tab. The other partition would normally be listed there of course in
>> a
>> dual boot, but since it's being hidden from me it's not showing up on the
>> msconfig boot tab.
>>
>> If I go to my box where Vista and Win 7 are dual booted, they are both
>> listed there of course and that's been the case over the years with
>> scores
>> of dual boots and some triple boots.
>>
>> I can access all the material from that no longer available listed first
>> Win
>> 7 boot (and it's considerable and important to me), but I still want to
>> get
>> it back as a dual booting option. I can simply navigate to the file path
>> of
>> the original boot's desktop or wherever else I want--with the exception
>> of
>> Win Live Mail and Outlook on that boot, which I tried to import but could
>> not, and I saved all the mail on another partition along with the docs
>> and
>> the pics. I run all my music on the non-affected box.
>>
>> So question #1 is:
>>
>> How can I get this original Win 7 boot back? I was surprised because dual
>> booting has been terribly easy and convenient over the past few years.
>>
>> I know that on many forums for years Easy BCD
>> http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1
>> and Vista Boot Pro
>> http://www.vistabootpro.org/
>>
>> have been popular in these situations but I'd like to avoid having to use
>> them since I never have, but maybe I can't.
>>
>> I'd really like to get this done with Windows tools.
>>
>> Question #2 is:
>>
>> The other problem is interesting. I've used Startup Repair not only to
>> fix
>> no o boot Vistas and no boot Windows 7 but I ran into a road block.
>>
>> I know now Win 7 allows you to access it without a DVD which is a good
>> thinge since OEMs and MSFT have traditionally refused to ship one with
>> rare
>> exceptions with OEM box purchases.
>>
>> I've used Startup Repair a few times when Win 7 won't boot for me rarely
>> after using G-Parted aLive to reduce partition size to get non-allocated
>> space to then add onto another partition because the partition is hidden
>> although most of the time I haven't had to.
>>
>> I also have had great success with the bootrec switches when Startup
>> Repair
>> won't work. But this time I was thrown a curve. I was asked for the
>> Homegroup password. I was surprised because I had not set any other
>> password. When I in stalled Win 7 on my 2nd box, in order to network
>> the
>> two boxes in Win 7 setup it asked for the Homegroup password I used to
>> connect the two partitions on the first box and it networked them in
>> setup
>> which is a nice touch for Win 7.
>>
>> That wasn't a problem because I memorized it. It automatically supplied
>> the
>> user name on the top of the pull down which was a choice of Homegroup $
>> or
>> the name I had given the Windows 7 computer. It didn't 'take the correct
>> password for either choice. I don't think this would have helped the
>> origi'nal above problem, hstowever if I run into it again if I need
>> startup
>> repair (it wouldn't let me access the other repair choices either
>> including
>> the command prompt, I'd like to know how to solvve problem #2.
>>
>>
>> By the way, Disk Management shows both partitions just as before I
>> formatted
>> Vista and put Win 7 on the Vista partition, and like I say all the
>> material
>> from Win 7 is accessable using the filepath for it but clearly the boot
>> is
>> being hidden from me on startup and I want to unhide it.
>>
>> In order to compare different things on both boots, I need to access the
>> other one "in Windows" instead of just via the file path.
>>
>> I made this point to emphasize the boot of the original Win 7 is not gone
>> at
>> all, it's just being *hidden* from me on boot.
>>
>> Question #3 is:
>>
>> At msconfig on the boot tab I notice there are checkboxs for OS boot
>> information, and no GUI boot e among others. Does anyone know what these
>> do,
>> or where there is a good explanation for them?
>>
>>
>> I would appreciate any help for my problems very much. And if Darrell
>> Gorter[MSFT] happens to see this, I'd really appreciate your help. I
>> can't
>> use any of the repair tools to fix this boot, because
>>
>> #1 The boot is being hidden from me at startup including when I get the
>> F8
>> Windows Advanced Options Menu
>>
>> #2 I am running into that confounding request for my Homegroup password
>> which I am putting in correctly and it won't let me access repairing the
>> Win
>> 7 partition that is working beautifully and that I am typing this message
>> from. What's up with a password request to access startup repair when
>> the
>> Homegroup password is only requested if you're networking boxes on setup
>> of
>> a second Win 7 box, or if you're doing something to change the Homegroup
>> settings.
>>
>> Thanks very much for any help,
>>
>> CH
>>
>>

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Old 04-04-2009
andy
 

Posts: n/a
Re: Dual Boot of (2) Windows 7s (Now First Doesn't Show After Using One to Format Vista
On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:34:39 -0400, "Chad Harris" <Win
7@yes_she_sure_can.net> wrote:

>Andy--
>
>I appreciate your time. I have been a big proponent of the bootrec switches
>on this group. But how would you make that happen? If you have the way
>please let me know. I understand my lengthy post may have been daunting to
>read so let me make two quick points and hear your response.
>
>1) Again the situation here was that at this screen shown in the link, my
>original Windows 7 boot opportunity is no longer showing. That boot is
>being hidden. So where and how am I going to apply the bootrec /rebuildbcd
>command.


Boot the computer from the Windows 7 DVD, open a command prompt
window, and execute the bootrec command.

>
>http://i44.tinypic.com/34i4kkh.jpg
>
>2) What is also happening here that I've never seen before is that the only
>place that I could apply the bootrec commands is the boot that is showing
>that doesn't need it. And it's not even now letting me access the Startup
>Repair tools including the command prompt outside windows where I love to
>use the bootrec commands because it is demanding a Homegroup Password and
>when I put it in it is not accepting it and I'm putting it in correctly.
>
>Again the only OS I can get my hands on to apply Startup Repair is password
>protecting Startup Repair and it won't take the correct password, and
>besides that, the boot I have access to is working perfectly.


Startup repair should be performed by booting from the Windows DVD.
The only reason why you would need to repair startup is because you
can't boot to the operating system, so trying to repair startup from a
running OS, even though it could be done, doesn't make a lot of sense.

>
>So, Andy where and how would you apply the bootrec /rebuild switch given
>these circumstances. I appreciate your being savvy enough to be familiar
>with the bootrec switches because they are very powerful and much underused
>and unadvertised to the masses MSFT needs to reach on this.
>
>Thanks,
>
>CH
>
>
>
>"andy" <bogusaddress@bogusaddress.123> wrote in message p
>news:5f3at4prretgdualkbp86934tcc2v5i6bl@4ax.com.. .
>> On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 02:15:43 -0400, "Chad Harris" <Win
>> 7@yes_she_sure_can.net> wrote:
>>
>>>I figure that since millions of Windows 7 installations on the CPP have
>>>been
>>>made, not to mention tap build s and tech beta builds, that it is
>>>appropriate to ask this question since
>>>
>>>a) It involves a former Vista on a dual boot
>>>b) MSFT has seen fit to put only one NNTP public group up for Win 7 and it
>>>is an Italian one and I don't speak Italian or even drive a Ferrari or
>>>Lamborghini or Maserati in Englishd
>>>c) Darrell Gorter who has this stuff in his blood is kind enough to
>>>frequent
>>>the setup group and share his skills.
>>>
>>>___________________________________
>>>
>>>I have dual booted and triple booted windows OS's many times including
>>>combos of XP/Vista and lately Vista and Windows 7 with never a problem. I
>>>always follow the rule that you are best off if you install the older OS
>>>first with respect to Windows.
>>>
>>>On both boxes I've had Win Vista and Win 7. As usual they showed the dual
>>>boot on the black and white screen looking like this:
>>>
>>>http://i44.tinypic.com/34i4kkh.jpg
>>>
>>>On one of my boxes, a notebook, I decided I would replace my Vista boot
>>>with
>>>a Windows 7 boot, and would then have a dual boot with Windows 7 on each
>>>partition, so I could do some comparing with applications. These were
>>>both
>>>64 bit Windows 7s.
>>>.
>>>I did not have enough room on the partition where Vista was (coexisting
>>>with
>>>Windows 7). I had about 7 GB of free space, but for some reason Windows 7
>>>wanted 11+GB on that partition.
>>>
>>>I could not find away to make that kind of room possible, and
>>>diskmanagement
>>>(diskmgmt.msc) would not let me add space (ghosted) nor would it even let
>>>me
>>>format the Vista partition when I was on the other Windows 7 boot.

>>
>> Disk Management is telling you, in not so many words, that you're
>> trying to format the Windows system partition.
>>
>>> So I
>>>used g-parted, a pretty efficient Gnu partition manager which can do a
>>>number of things that Vista and Win 7 Disk Management don't do, including
>>>add space, subtract space, and format.
>>>
>>>I tried to add space to the partition and after running and looking fine,
>>>at
>>>the last second it balked and said there was an error and it didn't get
>>>the
>>>job done. One tip I know about in using G-Parted Live Disk successfully,
>>>is
>>>that you a) sometimes need to defrag first and also run chkdsk (I favor
>>>using the R switch) so I did those. Another trick is (and this is quirky
>>>because they don't tell you in the FAQs or anywhere else, is that you have
>>>to go to the lower corner of the partition box and extend it out near the
>>>width of your desktop, or it the apply button simply won't work. It also
>>>is
>>>quirky to a non Linux user because of the terminology you don't
>>>understand,
>>>and the gui box keeps disappearing while you're trying to work and you
>>>need
>>>the lights out to see it well. But it does the job Windows won't do.
>>>
>>>After saving what I wanted to save, since it would not add the space I
>>>needed, I formatted the Vista partition. It formatted in 3 literal
>>>seconds
>>>after I selected Format to NTFS on its right click context, and I
>>>installed
>>>Windows 7 without a hitch.
>>>
>>>HOWEVER, after installing Windows 7 on the partition formerly occupied by
>>>Vista, the dual boot screen no longer shows Windows 7 partition (or boot
>>>#1).

>>
>> That's because you formatted the System partition, wiping out the BCD.
>>
>>> I went to msconfig and it's not there on the boot tab as I know it
>>>should be My latest Win 7 install is alone there listed as default.
>>>
>>>It is: [Windows 7 (C:\Windows): Current OS; Default OS] on the msconfig
>>>boot tab. The other partition would normally be listed there of course in
>>>a
>>>dual boot, but since it's being hidden from me it's not showing up on the
>>>msconfig boot tab.
>>>
>>>If I go to my box where Vista and Win 7 are dual booted, they are both
>>>listed there of course and that's been the case over the years with scores
>>>of dual boots and some triple boots.
>>>
>>>I can access all the material from that no longer available listed first
>>>Win
>>>7 boot (and it's considerable and important to me), but I still want to
>>>get
>>>it back as a dual booting option. I can simply navigate to the file path
>>>of
>>>the original boot's desktop or wherever else I want--with the exception of
>>>Win Live Mail and Outlook on that boot, which I tried to import but could
>>>not, and I saved all the mail on another partition along with the docs and
>>>the pics. I run all my music on the non-affected box.
>>>
>>>So question #1 is:
>>>
>>>How can I get this original Win 7 boot back? I was surprised because dual
>>>booting has been terribly easy and convenient over the past few years.

>>
>> Use the bootrec /rebuildbcd command.
>>
>>>
>>>I know that on many forums for years Easy BCD
>>> http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1
>>> and Vista Boot Pro
>>>http://www.vistabootpro.org/
>>>
>>>have been popular in these situations but I'd like to avoid having to use
>>>them since I never have, but maybe I can't.
>>>
>>>I'd really like to get this done with Windows tools.
>>>
>>>Question #2 is:
>>>
>>>The other problem is interesting. I've used Startup Repair not only to
>>>fix
>>>no o boot Vistas and no boot Windows 7 but I ran into a road block.
>>>
>>>I know now Win 7 allows you to access it without a DVD which is a good
>>>thinge since OEMs and MSFT have traditionally refused to ship one with
>>>rare
>>>exceptions with OEM box purchases.
>>>
>>>I've used Startup Repair a few times when Win 7 won't boot for me rarely
>>>after using G-Parted aLive to reduce partition size to get non-allocated
>>>space to then add onto another partition because the partition is hidden
>>>although most of the time I haven't had to.
>>>
>>>I also have had great success with the bootrec switches when Startup
>>>Repair
>>>won't work. But this time I was thrown a curve. I was asked for the
>>>Homegroup password. I was surprised because I had not set any other
>>>password. When I in stalled Win 7 on my 2nd box, in order to network the
>>>two boxes in Win 7 setup it asked for the Homegroup password I used to
>>>connect the two partitions on the first box and it networked them in setup
>>>which is a nice touch for Win 7.
>>>
>>>That wasn't a problem because I memorized it. It automatically supplied
>>>the
>>>user name on the top of the pull down which was a choice of Homegroup $ or
>>>the name I had given the Windows 7 computer. It didn't 'take the correct
>>>password for either choice. I don't think this would have helped the
>>>origi'nal above problem, hstowever if I run into it again if I need
>>>startup
>>>repair (it wouldn't let me access the other repair choices either
>>>including
>>>the command prompt, I'd like to know how to solvve problem #2.
>>>
>>>
>>>By the way, Disk Management shows both partitions just as before I
>>>formatted
>>>Vista and put Win 7 on the Vista partition, and like I say all the
>>>material
>>>from Win 7 is accessable using the filepath for it but clearly the boot is
>>>being hidden from me on startup and I want to unhide it.
>>>
>>>In order to compare different things on both boots, I need to access the
>>>other one "in Windows" instead of just via the file path.
>>>
>>>I made this point to emphasize the boot of the original Win 7 is not gone
>>>at
>>>all, it's just being *hidden* from me on boot.
>>>
>>>Question #3 is:
>>>
>>>At msconfig on the boot tab I notice there are checkboxs for OS boot
>>>information, and no GUI boot e among others. Does anyone know what these
>>>do,
>>>or where there is a good explanation for them?
>>>
>>>
>>>I would appreciate any help for my problems very much. And if Darrell
>>>Gorter[MSFT] happens to see this, I'd really appreciate your help. I
>>>can't
>>>use any of the repair tools to fix this boot, because
>>>
>>>#1 The boot is being hidden from me at startup including when I get the F8
>>>Windows Advanced Options Menu
>>>
>>>#2 I am running into that confounding request for my Homegroup password
>>>which I am putting in correctly and it won't let me access repairing the
>>>Win
>>>7 partition that is working beautifully and that I am typing this message
>>>from. What's up with a password request to access startup repair when the
>>>Homegroup password is only requested if you're networking boxes on setup
>>>of
>>>a second Win 7 box, or if you're doing something to change the Homegroup
>>>settings.
>>>
>>>Thanks very much for any help,
>>>
>>>CH
>>>

>>


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Old 04-04-2009
Chad Harris
 

Posts: n/a
Re: Dual Boot of (2) Windows 7s (Now First Doesn't Show After Using One to Format Vista
Boot the computer from the Windows 7 DVD, open a command prompt
window, and execute the bootrec command.

Andy--

I read what you wrote the first time and already tried it as I have written.
I've fixed thousands of no boot vistas and many win 7s using the bootrec
commands. However, there are two deal breaking obstacles here that you're
not picking up on.

1) Since the boot I'm on now is the only one I can boot to, putting in the
DVD and using any repair features including the command prompt from the DVD
and Startup Repair's option list will only apply to this boot. It will not
apply to the other boot.

2) When I tried to access startup repair knowning that #1 was controlling to
see what would happen, I was prompted to put in the Homegroup password.
Homegroup is a network sharing mechanism on Win 7 which you may or may not
have used. I have it memorized and I can show it on the other boxes in my
network and I put it in correctly and the password prompt will not accept
it.

CH

"andy" <bogusaddress@bogusaddress.123> wrote in message
news:0s1dt4tb29dvalfvlo8psj2632k9obbdrc@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:34:39 -0400, "Chad Harris" <Win
> 7@yes_she_sure_can.net> wrote:
>
>>Andy--
>>
>>I appreciate your time. I have been a big proponent of the bootrec
>>switches
>>on this group. But how would you make that happen? If you have the way
>>please let me know. I understand my lengthy post may have been daunting
>>to
>>read so let me make two quick points and hear your response.
>>
>>1) Again the situation here was that at this screen shown in the link, my
>>original Windows 7 boot opportunity is no longer showing. That boot is
>>being hidden. So where and how am I going to apply the bootrec
>>/rebuildbcd
>>command.

>
> Boot the computer from the Windows 7 DVD, open a command prompt
> window, and execute the bootrec command.
>
>>
>>http://i44.tinypic.com/34i4kkh.jpg
>>
>>2) What is also happening here that I've never seen before is that the
>>only
>>place that I could apply the bootrec commands is the boot that is showing
>>that doesn't need it. And it's not even now letting me access the Startup
>>Repair tools including the command prompt outside windows where I love to
>>use the bootrec commands because it is demanding a Homegroup Password and
>>when I put it in it is not accepting it and I'm putting it in correctly.
>>
>>Again the only OS I can get my hands on to apply Startup Repair is
>>password
>>protecting Startup Repair and it won't take the correct password, and
>>besides that, the boot I have access to is working perfectly.

>
> Startup repair should be performed by booting from the Windows DVD.
> The only reason why you would need to repair startup is because you
> can't boot to the operating system, so trying to repair startup from a
> running OS, even though it could be done, doesn't make a lot of sense.
>
>>
>>So, Andy where and how would you apply the bootrec /rebuild switch given
>>these circumstances. I appreciate your being savvy enough to be familiar
>>with the bootrec switches because they are very powerful and much
>>underused
>>and unadvertised to the masses MSFT needs to reach on this.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>CH
>>
>>
>>
>>"andy" <bogusaddress@bogusaddress.123> wrote in message p
>>news:5f3at4prretgdualkbp86934tcc2v5i6bl@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 02:15:43 -0400, "Chad Harris" <Win
>>> 7@yes_she_sure_can.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I figure that since millions of Windows 7 installations on the CPP have
>>>>been
>>>>made, not to mention tap build s and tech beta builds, that it is
>>>>appropriate to ask this question since
>>>>
>>>>a) It involves a former Vista on a dual boot
>>>>b) MSFT has seen fit to put only one NNTP public group up for Win 7 and
>>>>it
>>>>is an Italian one and I don't speak Italian or even drive a Ferrari or
>>>>Lamborghini or Maserati in Englishd
>>>>c) Darrell Gorter who has this stuff in his blood is kind enough to
>>>>frequent
>>>>the setup group and share his skills.
>>>>
>>>>___________________________________
>>>>
>>>>I have dual booted and triple booted windows OS's many times including
>>>>combos of XP/Vista and lately Vista and Windows 7 with never a problem.
>>>>I
>>>>always follow the rule that you are best off if you install the older OS
>>>>first with respect to Windows.
>>>>
>>>>On both boxes I've had Win Vista and Win 7. As usual they showed the
>>>>dual
>>>>boot on the black and white screen looking like this:
>>>>
>>>>http://i44.tinypic.com/34i4kkh.jpg
>>>>
>>>>On one of my boxes, a notebook, I decided I would replace my Vista boot
>>>>with
>>>>a Windows 7 boot, and would then have a dual boot with Windows 7 on each
>>>>partition, so I could do some comparing with applications. These were
>>>>both
>>>>64 bit Windows 7s.
>>>>.
>>>>I did not have enough room on the partition where Vista was (coexisting
>>>>with
>>>>Windows 7). I had about 7 GB of free space, but for some reason Windows
>>>>7
>>>>wanted 11+GB on that partition.
>>>>
>>>>I could not find away to make that kind of room possible, and
>>>>diskmanagement
>>>>(diskmgmt.msc) would not let me add space (ghosted) nor would it even
>>>>let
>>>>me
>>>>format the Vista partition when I was on the other Windows 7 boot.
>>>
>>> Disk Management is telling you, in not so many words, that you're
>>> trying to format the Windows system partition.
>>>
>>>> So I
>>>>used g-parted, a pretty efficient Gnu partition manager which can do a
>>>>number of things that Vista and Win 7 Disk Management don't do,
>>>>including
>>>>add space, subtract space, and format.
>>>>
>>>>I tried to add space to the partition and after running and looking
>>>>fine,
>>>>at
>>>>the last second it balked and said there was an error and it didn't get
>>>>the
>>>>job done. One tip I know about in using G-Parted Live Disk
>>>>successfully,
>>>>is
>>>>that you a) sometimes need to defrag first and also run chkdsk (I favor
>>>>using the R switch) so I did those. Another trick is (and this is
>>>>quirky
>>>>because they don't tell you in the FAQs or anywhere else, is that you
>>>>have
>>>>to go to the lower corner of the partition box and extend it out near
>>>>the
>>>>width of your desktop, or it the apply button simply won't work. It
>>>>also
>>>>is
>>>>quirky to a non Linux user because of the terminology you don't
>>>>understand,
>>>>and the gui box keeps disappearing while you're trying to work and you
>>>>need
>>>>the lights out to see it well. But it does the job Windows won't do.
>>>>
>>>>After saving what I wanted to save, since it would not add the space I
>>>>needed, I formatted the Vista partition. It formatted in 3 literal
>>>>seconds
>>>>after I selected Format to NTFS on its right click context, and I
>>>>installed
>>>>Windows 7 without a hitch.
>>>>
>>>>HOWEVER, after installing Windows 7 on the partition formerly occupied
>>>>by
>>>>Vista, the dual boot screen no longer shows Windows 7 partition (or boot
>>>>#1).
>>>
>>> That's because you formatted the System partition, wiping out the BCD.
>>>
>>>> I went to msconfig and it's not there on the boot tab as I know it
>>>>should be My latest Win 7 install is alone there listed as default.
>>>>
>>>>It is: [Windows 7 (C:\Windows): Current OS; Default OS] on the msconfig
>>>>boot tab. The other partition would normally be listed there of course
>>>>in
>>>>a
>>>>dual boot, but since it's being hidden from me it's not showing up on
>>>>the
>>>>msconfig boot tab.
>>>>
>>>>If I go to my box where Vista and Win 7 are dual booted, they are both
>>>>listed there of course and that's been the case over the years with
>>>>scores
>>>>of dual boots and some triple boots.
>>>>
>>>>I can access all the material from that no longer available listed first
>>>>Win
>>>>7 boot (and it's considerable and important to me), but I still want to
>>>>get
>>>>it back as a dual booting option. I can simply navigate to the file
>>>>path
>>>>of
>>>>the original boot's desktop or wherever else I want--with the exception
>>>>of
>>>>Win Live Mail and Outlook on that boot, which I tried to import but
>>>>could
>>>>not, and I saved all the mail on another partition along with the docs
>>>>and
>>>>the pics. I run all my music on the non-affected box.
>>>>
>>>>So question #1 is:
>>>>
>>>>How can I get this original Win 7 boot back? I was surprised because
>>>>dual
>>>>booting has been terribly easy and convenient over the past few years.
>>>
>>> Use the bootrec /rebuildbcd command.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I know that on many forums for years Easy BCD
>>>> http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1
>>>> and Vista Boot Pro
>>>>http://www.vistabootpro.org/
>>>>
>>>>have been popular in these situations but I'd like to avoid having to
>>>>use
>>>>them since I never have, but maybe I can't.
>>>>
>>>>I'd really like to get this done with Windows tools.
>>>>
>>>>Question #2 is:
>>>>
>>>>The other problem is interesting. I've used Startup Repair not only to
>>>>fix
>>>>no o boot Vistas and no boot Windows 7 but I ran into a road block.
>>>>
>>>>I know now Win 7 allows you to access it without a DVD which is a good
>>>>thinge since OEMs and MSFT have traditionally refused to ship one with
>>>>rare
>>>>exceptions with OEM box purchases.
>>>>
>>>>I've used Startup Repair a few times when Win 7 won't boot for me rarely
>>>>after using G-Parted aLive to reduce partition size to get non-allocated
>>>>space to then add onto another partition because the partition is hidden
>>>>although most of the time I haven't had to.
>>>>
>>>>I also have had great success with the bootrec switches when Startup
>>>>Repair
>>>>won't work. But this time I was thrown a curve. I was asked for the
>>>>Homegroup password. I was surprised because I had not set any other
>>>>password. When I in stalled Win 7 on my 2nd box, in order to network
>>>>the
>>>>two boxes in Win 7 setup it asked for the Homegroup password I used to
>>>>connect the two partitions on the first box and it networked them in
>>>>setup
>>>>which is a nice touch for Win 7.
>>>>
>>>>That wasn't a problem because I memorized it. It automatically supplied
>>>>the
>>>>user name on the top of the pull down which was a choice of Homegroup $
>>>>or
>>>>the name I had given the Windows 7 computer. It didn't 'take the
>>>>correct
>>>>password for either choice. I don't think this would have helped the
>>>>origi'nal above problem, hstowever if I run into it again if I need
>>>>startup
>>>>repair (it wouldn't let me access the other repair choices either
>>>>including
>>>>the command prompt, I'd like to know how to solvve problem #2.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>By the way, Disk Management shows both partitions just as before I
>>>>formatted
>>>>Vista and put Win 7 on the Vista partition, and like I say all the
>>>>material
>>>>from Win 7 is accessable using the filepath for it but clearly the boot
>>>>is
>>>>being hidden from me on startup and I want to unhide it.
>>>>
>>>>In order to compare different things on both boots, I need to access the
>>>>other one "in Windows" instead of just via the file path.
>>>>
>>>>I made this point to emphasize the boot of the original Win 7 is not
>>>>gone
>>>>at
>>>>all, it's just being *hidden* from me on boot.
>>>>
>>>>Question #3 is:
>>>>
>>>>At msconfig on the boot tab I notice there are checkboxs for OS boot
>>>>information, and no GUI boot e among others. Does anyone know what these
>>>>do,
>>>>or where there is a good explanation for them?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I would appreciate any help for my problems very much. And if Darrell
>>>>Gorter[MSFT] happens to see this, I'd really appreciate your help. I
>>>>can't
>>>>use any of the repair tools to fix this boot, because
>>>>
>>>>#1 The boot is being hidden from me at startup including when I get the
>>>>F8
>>>>Windows Advanced Options Menu
>>>>
>>>>#2 I am running into that confounding request for my Homegroup password
>>>>which I am putting in correctly and it won't let me access repairing the
>>>>Win
>>>>7 partition that is working beautifully and that I am typing this
>>>>message
>>>>from. What's up with a password request to access startup repair when
>>>>the
>>>>Homegroup password is only requested if you're networking boxes on setup
>>>>of
>>>>a second Win 7 box, or if you're doing something to change the Homegroup
>>>>settings.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks very much for any help,
>>>>
>>>>CH
>>>>
>>>

>

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  #9 (permalink)  
Old 04-04-2009
Chad Harris
 

Posts: n/a
Re: Dual Boot of (2) Windows 7s (Now First Doesn't Show After Using One to Format Vista
Andy--

I owe you an apology.

You're suggestion did work perfectly, but I was thrown a curve ball in
getting thereg that neither of us would have expected. I have been
installing and upgrading Win 7 on so many boxes with the time that it takes
to get them the way you want them, and I had forgotten that when you get
into the Startup Repair interface it scans for all OSs installed and then
you can target the one that needs BCD repair.

I was also thrown by the demand for the password to use the list of Repair
options (including the command prompt) which I wish I had take a pic of but
didn't have a good way to get a decent pic from there, and hope I never see
again.

It took two Startup Repair scans for the other OS to show up, and when it
did, I was able to select it and then use the Bootrec commands.

What I do wonder though is this. I've never had a problem dual or tri
booting with an older OS and a new one involved. But when I have dual
booted with two Windows sevens, I have seen the BCD or bootloader get
overwritten and not show up on the black and white screen in the list.

I've always gone the route of installing the older Build first, (believe it
or not some people have been reverse upgrading and going to older builds of
Win 7 through the upgrade procedure--why is a good question but they did
proove it can be done.

Many thanks, because while I could access it's files and folders, it is much
better to be able to go to either boot.

CH



g o
"andy" <bogusaddress@bogusaddress.123> wrote in message
news:0s1dt4tb29dvalfvlo8psj2632k9obbdrc@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:34:39 -0400, "Chad Harris" <Win
> 7@yes_she_sure_can.net> wrote:
>
>>Andy--
>>
>>I appreciate your time. I have been a big proponent of the bootrec
>>switches
>>on this group. But how would you make that happen? If you have the way
>>please let me know. I understand my lengthy post may have been daunting
>>to
>>read so let me make two quick points and hear your response.
>>
>>1) Again the situation here was that at this screen shown in the link, my
>>original Windows 7 boot opportunity is no longer showing. That boot is
>>being hidden. So where and how am I going to apply the bootrec
>>/rebuildbcd
>>command.

>
> Boot the computer from the Windows 7 DVD, open a command prompt
> window, and execute the bootrec command.
>
>>
>>http://i44.tinypic.com/34i4kkh.jpg
>>
>>2) What is also happening here that I've never seen before is that the
>>only
>>place that I could apply the bootrec commands is the boot that is showing
>>that doesn't need it. And it's not even now letting me access the Startup
>>Repair tools including the command prompt outside windows where I love to
>>use the bootrec commands because it is demanding a Homegroup Password and
>>when I put it in it is not accepting it and I'm putting it in correctly.
>>
>>Again the only OS I can get my hands on to apply Startup Repair is
>>password
>>protecting Startup Repair and it won't take the correct password, and
>>besides that, the boot I have access to is working perfectly.

>
> Startup repair should be performed by booting from the Windows DVD.
> The only reason why you would need to repair startup is because you
> can't boot to the operating system, so trying to repair startup from a
> running OS, even though it could be done, doesn't make a lot of sense.
>
>>
>>So, Andy where and how would you apply the bootrec /rebuild switch given
>>these circumstances. I appreciate your being savvy enough to be familiar
>>with the bootrec switches because they are very powerful and much
>>underused
>>and unadvertised to the masses MSFT needs to reach on this.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>CH
>>
>>
>>
>>"andy" <bogusaddress@bogusaddress.123> wrote in message p
>>news:5f3at4prretgdualkbp86934tcc2v5i6bl@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 02:15:43 -0400, "Chad Harris" <Win
>>> 7@yes_she_sure_can.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I figure that since millions of Windows 7 installations on the CPP have
>>>>been
>>>>made, not to mention tap build s and tech beta builds, that it is
>>>>appropriate to ask this question since
>>>>
>>>>a) It involves a former Vista on a dual boot
>>>>b) MSFT has seen fit to put only one NNTP public group up for Win 7 and
>>>>it
>>>>is an Italian one and I don't speak Italian or even drive a Ferrari or
>>>>Lamborghini or Maserati in Englishd
>>>>c) Darrell Gorter who has this stuff in his blood is kind enough to
>>>>frequent
>>>>the setup group and share his skills.
>>>>
>>>>___________________________________
>>>>
>>>>I have dual booted and triple booted windows OS's many times including
>>>>combos of XP/Vista and lately Vista and Windows 7 with never a problem.
>>>>I
>>>>always follow the rule that you are best off if you install the older OS
>>>>first with respect to Windows.
>>>>
>>>>On both boxes I've had Win Vista and Win 7. As usual they showed the
>>>>dual
>>>>boot on the black and white screen looking like this:
>>>>
>>>>http://i44.tinypic.com/34i4kkh.jpg
>>>>
>>>>On one of my boxes, a notebook, I decided I would replace my Vista boot
>>>>with
>>>>a Windows 7 boot, and would then have a dual boot with Windows 7 on each
>>>>partition, so I could do some comparing with applications. These were
>>>>both
>>>>64 bit Windows 7s.
>>>>.
>>>>I did not have enough room on the partition where Vista was (coexisting
>>>>with
>>>>Windows 7). I had about 7 GB of free space, but for some reason Windows
>>>>7
>>>>wanted 11+GB on that partition.
>>>>
>>>>I could not find away to make that kind of room possible, and
>>>>diskmanagement
>>>>(diskmgmt.msc) would not let me add space (ghosted) nor would it even
>>>>let
>>>>me
>>>>format the Vista partition when I was on the other Windows 7 boot.
>>>
>>> Disk Management is telling you, in not so many words, that you're
>>> trying to format the Windows system partition.
>>>
>>>> So I
>>>>used g-parted, a pretty efficient Gnu partition manager which can do a
>>>>number of things that Vista and Win 7 Disk Management don't do,
>>>>including
>>>>add space, subtract space, and format.
>>>>
>>>>I tried to add space to the partition and after running and looking
>>>>fine,
>>>>at
>>>>the last second it balked and said there was an error and it didn't get
>>>>the
>>>>job done. One tip I know about in using G-Parted Live Disk
>>>>successfully,
>>>>is
>>>>that you a) sometimes need to defrag first and also run chkdsk (I favor
>>>>using the R switch) so I did those. Another trick is (and this is
>>>>quirky
>>>>because they don't tell you in the FAQs or anywhere else, is that you
>>>>have
>>>>to go to the lower corner of the partition box and extend it out near
>>>>the
>>>>width of your desktop, or it the apply button simply won't work. It
>>>>also
>>>>is
>>>>quirky to a non Linux user because of the terminology you don't
>>>>understand,
>>>>and the gui box keeps disappearing while you're trying to work and you
>>>>need
>>>>the lights out to see it well. But it does the job Windows won't do.
>>>>
>>>>After saving what I wanted to save, since it would not add the space I
>>>>needed, I formatted the Vista partition. It formatted in 3 literal
>>>>seconds
>>>>after I selected Format to NTFS on its right click context, and I
>>>>installed
>>>>Windows 7 without a hitch.
>>>>
>>>>HOWEVER, after installing Windows 7 on the partition formerly occupied
>>>>by
>>>>Vista, the dual boot screen no longer shows Windows 7 partition (or boot
>>>>#1).
>>>
>>> That's because you formatted the System partition, wiping out the BCD.
>>>
>>>> I went to msconfig and it's not there on the boot tab as I know it
>>>>should be My latest Win 7 install is alone there listed as default.
>>>>
>>>>It is: [Windows 7 (C:\Windows): Current OS; Default OS] on the msconfig
>>>>boot tab. The other partition would normally be listed there of course
>>>>in
>>>>a
>>>>dual boot, but since it's being hidden from me it's not showing up on
>>>>the
>>>>msconfig boot tab.
>>>>
>>>>If I go to my box where Vista and Win 7 are dual booted, they are both
>>>>listed there of course and that's been the case over the years with
>>>>scores
>>>>of dual boots and some triple boots.
>>>>
>>>>I can access all the material from that no longer available listed first
>>>>Win
>>>>7 boot (and it's considerable and important to me), but I still want to
>>>>get
>>>>it back as a dual booting option. I can simply navigate to the file
>>>>path
>>>>of
>>>>the original boot's desktop or wherever else I want--with the exception
>>>>of
>>>>Win Live Mail and Outlook on that boot, which I tried to import but
>>>>could
>>>>not, and I saved all the mail on another partition along with the docs
>>>>and
>>>>the pics. I run all my music on the non-affected box.
>>>>
>>>>So question #1 is:
>>>>
>>>>How can I get this original Win 7 boot back? I was surprised because
>>>>dual
>>>>booting has been terribly easy and convenient over the past few years.
>>>
>>> Use the bootrec /rebuildbcd command.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I know that on many forums for years Easy BCD
>>>> http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1
>>>> and Vista Boot Pro
>>>>http://www.vistabootpro.org/
>>>>
>>>>have been popular in these situations but I'd like to avoid having to
>>>>use
>>>>them since I never have, but maybe I can't.
>>>>
>>>>I'd really like to get this done with Windows tools.
>>>>
>>>>Question #2 is:
>>>>
>>>>The other problem is interesting. I've used Startup Repair not only to
>>>>fix
>>>>no o boot Vistas and no boot Windows 7 but I ran into a road block.
>>>>
>>>>I know now Win 7 allows you to access it without a DVD which is a good
>>>>thinge since OEMs and MSFT have traditionally refused to ship one with
>>>>rare
>>>>exceptions with OEM box purchases.
>>>>
>>>>I've used Startup Repair a few times when Win 7 won't boot for me rarely
>>>>after using G-Parted aLive to reduce partition size to get non-allocated
>>>>space to then add onto another partition because the partition is hidden
>>>>although most of the time I haven't had to.
>>>>
>>>>I also have had great success with the bootrec switches when Startup
>>>>Repair
>>>>won't work. But this time I was thrown a curve. I was asked for the
>>>>Homegroup password. I was surprised because I had not set any other
>>>>password. When I in stalled Win 7 on my 2nd box, in order to network
>>>>the
>>>>two boxes in Win 7 setup it asked for the Homegroup password I used to
>>>>connect the two partitions on the first box and it networked them in
>>>>setup
>>>>which is a nice touch for Win 7.
>>>>
>>>>That wasn't a problem because I memorized it. It automatically supplied
>>>>the
>>>>user name on the top of the pull down which was a choice of Homegroup $
>>>>or
>>>>the name I had given the Windows 7 computer. It didn't 'take the
>>>>correct
>>>>password for either choice. I don't think this would have helped the
>>>>origi'nal above problem, hstowever if I run into it again if I need
>>>>startup
>>>>repair (it wouldn't let me access the other repair choices either
>>>>including
>>>>the command prompt, I'd like to know how to solvve problem #2.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>By the way, Disk Management shows both partitions just as before I
>>>>formatted
>>>>Vista and put Win 7 on the Vista partition, and like I say all the
>>>>material
>>>>from Win 7 is accessable using the filepath for it but clearly the boot
>>>>is
>>>>being hidden from me on startup and I want to unhide it.
>>>>
>>>>In order to compare different things on both boots, I need to access the
>>>>other one "in Windows" instead of just via the file path.
>>>>
>>>>I made this point to emphasize the boot of the original Win 7 is not
>>>>gone
>>>>at
>>>>all, it's just being *hidden* from me on boot.
>>>>
>>>>Question #3 is:
>>>>
>>>>At msconfig on the boot tab I notice there are checkboxs for OS boot
>>>>information, and no GUI boot e among others. Does anyone know what these
>>>>do,
>>>>or where there is a good explanation for them?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I would appreciate any help for my problems very much. And if Darrell
>>>>Gorter[MSFT] happens to see this, I'd really appreciate your help. I
>>>>can't
>>>>use any of the repair tools to fix this boot, because
>>>>
>>>>#1 The boot is being hidden from me at startup including when I get the
>>>>F8
>>>>Windows Advanced Options Menu
>>>>
>>>>#2 I am running into that confounding request for my Homegroup password
>>>>which I am putting in correctly and it won't let me access repairing the
>>>>Win
>>>>7 partition that is working beautifully and that I am typing this
>>>>message
>>>>from. What's up with a password request to access startup repair when
>>>>the
>>>>Homegroup password is only requested if you're networking boxes on setup
>>>>of
>>>>a second Win 7 box, or if you're doing something to change the Homegroup
>>>>settings.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks very much for any help,
>>>>
>>>>CH
>>>>
>>>

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