On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:08:00 -0700, Bass
>The Vista was pre-installed, I will get on to Sony who may be pre-installing
>the wrong version.
Good choice. I encourage you to do that FIRST.
>The locale and all available regional options are set to English (Ireland)
>in any case.
But language versions are NOT "locales". They are LANGUAGE packs,
which change the UI LANGUAGE to the installed version. These MUST be
downloaded from Microsoft, or you must order a language version
Installation media for the COUNTRY you are in.
LOCALE basically means "the GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION the OS is installed
in" (i.e., the "country of installation"), NOT the LANGUAGE the OS
is installed with.
>Back to the original question, when I click on Europe for multilanguage
>packs in Office I get a good variety of languages offered, but not English.
>This is bizarre. I am very happy to see Welsh and Irish catered for, but with
>all due respect surely the 60M native English speakers (6 countries have
>English as one of their official languages) deserve a little more
>consideration. Does this mean there is no English UI offered for Office?
Actually, there are MANY MORE than "60 millions of native English
speakers". Probably, 98% of US Citizens are "native English
speakers". Which 300 Millions of US Citizens are "native English
speakers." We outnumber you British English-speakers in Ireland and
Great Britain 5 to 1.
Maybe you should move to the Gaeltecht region, where you can learn
your native language, Irish Gaelic.
BTW, your last sentence makes no sense, since I am a "native English
speaker", and I've been using Office for quite some time, with English
as the UI language.
>"Donald L McDaniel" wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:29:01 -0700, Bass
>> <Bass@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> >There are also various spelling mistakes (e.g. "center" for centre, "color"
>> >for colour) in the user interfaces.
>> These are NOT "spelling mistakes", but REGIONAL varieties of English
>In this "region" of the world they are incorrect spellings, pure and simple.
Irrelevant. They ARE correct for the American variety of our common
English language. As a general rule, we do not write "center" as
"centre", "color" as "colour". This is because we are not closely
associated with French speakers ("re" and "our" are both French
suffixes). If you can't accept this, I really feel sorry for you
because of your insular attitude.
>I for one get a little tired of every new computer
Such localizations are easy to accomplish from within any version of
Windows, as far as I know. All you have to do is install the correct
>arriving with printer
>settings that block the printer or result in strange and useless paginations
>(we use ISO standards), dates that are the wrong way round for us,
>automatically set up news feeds telling me about daily life in Smalltown USA
>and UIs "localised" to a locale that is 5000 km away. I would not object to
>any of this if I lived in the US, or if I had ordered from a US supplier
>directly but I don't.
This is NOT Microsoft's fault. It is the fault of a user somewhere
along the line, or the fault of the OEM which sold the machines to
>What you are saying is that this is a problem of the
Actually, what I am saying is that YOU probably failed to order your
machines with UK versions of the UI, rather than "English (Ireland)."
You actually want "English (U.K.)"
>which may be true - but its Microsoft's UI I see, and
>Microsoft could for example encourage or insist that their suppliers use the
>appropriate versions for the region.
As far as I know, Microsoft does do this (encourage that their
distributors use the appropriate versions for the region.)
How do you propose that Microsoft should accomplish "insisting" that
their OEMs use the appropriate versions for the region? They aren't a
governmental body, after all, and cannot make such demands. Blaming
Microsoft is kind of unhelpful. Better you should talk to your local
However, OEMs will almost always put the language version which YOU
order on their machines at the factory.
If they failed to do this, either you failed to order the correct
language version, or they hornswaggled you famously.
("hornswaggled" is one of our Americanisms, and means "rooked you", or
"flim-flammed you", or "cheated you through deception"), or they
simply made a mistake, in which case you should talk to them about the
version of Windows they installed.
>> >This appears to be a fault also in MS
>> >Office, which claims to take its UI language from the Windows locale but in
>> >the case of English this doesn't work. The interface language appears to be
If your Windows UI language version is "Engish (United States), Office
will use "English, (United States)" as its UI Language.
If your Windows UI language version is "English (Ireland)" Office will
use "English (Ireland)" as its UI language.
If your Windows UI language version is "English (U.K), Office will use
"English (U.K.) as its UI language.
Got the picture yet?
This is because Office takes its UI language from the INSTALLED
Windows Locale, not the EXPECTED Windows Locale.
After all, even Office (good as it is) cannot read the minds of its
users to determine the version of UI to use.
Apparently you have a US version of English as the Windows Locale.
(Choose one below
1) You have an "English (United States)" language pack installed.
2) You have a version of Windows produced for the United States, which
installs the "English (U.S.)" UI language by default.
3) "English (Ireland)'s" UI language is closer to the "English (United
States)'s" UI language than it is to the "English (U.K.)'s" UI
4) You have truly f***ed-up installations of Windows and Office.
5) all the above.
Donald L McDaniel
How can so many otherwise very intelligent people screw up
something so simple so badly? If you stick a computer
keyboard in front of most people, they'll suddenly drop
30 points off their IQs. Much like placing a "Pork Barrel"
bill in front of a politician: He'll forget all about
"cooperation" the minute he counts the zeroes before the