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Why can't I install Vista home preimum on XP Pro SP2 system with NO REPORTED ISSUES as a upgrade?

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Old 02-04-2007
Adam Albright
 

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Why can't I install Vista home preimum on XP Pro SP2 system with NO REPORTED ISSUES as a upgrade?
Get as far as install accepting product key, then it goes out on the
web for upgrade then comes back and gives no reason for stopping and
suggests I upgrade to business, ultimate or enterprise versions or
that I do a clean install. Neither a a good option for me. A clean
install with the complex system I have would be a multi day nightmare.
Thanks but no thanks, just went through that a month ago when I build
a brand new "Vista Ready" system. EVERYTHING, the processor, the
motherboard, the graphics card are all Vista approved.

WHY is Vista so pigheaded? I ran the useless Vista advisor and it
reports no problems. I did attempt to install from XP Pro with the
Vista DVD in. I did not try to install from the DVD.

Why does Microshaft keep mistreating its customers like this? Every
time they **** around for YEARS "developing" a new "improved" Windows
and the same old BS. I'm damn sick of it!

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Old 02-04-2007
Carey Frisch [MVP]
 

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Re: Why can't I install Vista home preimum on XP Pro SP2 system with NO REPORTED ISSUES as a upgrade?
If you indeed ran the Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor, it would
have suggested either Windows Vista Business or Ultimate.
One cannot use Windows Vista Home Premium to upgrade
over Windows XP Professional.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Adam Albright" wrote:

| Get as far as install accepting product key, then it goes out on the
| web for upgrade then comes back and gives no reason for stopping and
| suggests I upgrade to business, ultimate or enterprise versions or
| that I do a clean install. Neither a a good option for me. A clean
| install with the complex system I have would be a multi day nightmare.
| Thanks but no thanks, just went through that a month ago when I build
| a brand new "Vista Ready" system. EVERYTHING, the processor, the
| motherboard, the graphics card are all Vista approved.
|
| WHY is Vista so pigheaded? I ran the useless Vista advisor and it
| reports no problems. I did attempt to install from XP Pro with the
| Vista DVD in. I did not try to install from the DVD.
|
| Why does Microshaft keep mistreating its customers like this? Every
| time they **** around for YEARS "developing" a new "improved" Windows
| and the same old BS. I'm damn sick of it!


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Old 02-04-2007
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
 

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Re: Why can't I install Vista home preimum on XP Pro SP2 system with NO REPORTED ISSUES as a upgrade?
You are attempting a downgrade by going from Windows XP Pro to Windows Vista
Home Premium.
The operative word here is "Home".
You have some choices which you seem to reject two:
1. Perform a Clean Install using Windows Easy Transfer to save your data and
settings.
2. Returning Windows Vista Home Premium and purchasing Windows Vista
Business or Ultimate. Enterprise is probably not an option available to
you.
3. Returning Vista and stay with Windows XP Pro.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:b2las2tpaq9hquiumgvi8ebfg87eenarek@4ax.com...
> Get as far as install accepting product key, then it goes out on the
> web for upgrade then comes back and gives no reason for stopping and
> suggests I upgrade to business, ultimate or enterprise versions or
> that I do a clean install. Neither a a good option for me. A clean
> install with the complex system I have would be a multi day nightmare.
> Thanks but no thanks, just went through that a month ago when I build
> a brand new "Vista Ready" system. EVERYTHING, the processor, the
> motherboard, the graphics card are all Vista approved.
>
> WHY is Vista so pigheaded? I ran the useless Vista advisor and it
> reports no problems. I did attempt to install from XP Pro with the
> Vista DVD in. I did not try to install from the DVD.
>
> Why does Microshaft keep mistreating its customers like this? Every
> time they **** around for YEARS "developing" a new "improved" Windows
> and the same old BS. I'm damn sick of it!
>


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Old 02-04-2007
Adam Albright
 

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Re: Why can't I install Vista home preimum on XP Pro SP2 system with NO REPORTED ISSUES as a upgrade?
On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:52:34 -0700, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>You are attempting a downgrade by going from Windows XP Pro to Windows Vista
>Home Premium.


Laughable comment. I paid MORE MONEY for XP Pro then people paid for
XP Home, yet they can do a "upgrade". As yet, nobody has gave a
logical reason why Microsoft is f...ing their customers that they
already made MORE money from. You sure haven't.

Get this, I saw a least one MVP claim elsewhere you can install Vista
Home Premium over XP Pro.

Give me a TECHNICAL reason why Microsoft is shafting its customers
over this. Lots of luck.

>The operative word here is "Home".
>You have some choices which you seem to reject two:
>1. Perform a Clean Install using Windows Easy Transfer to save your data and
>settings.


How? From the typical and utterly useless Microsoft documentation if
you can ever call the garbage that Microshaft scatters in dozens of
places all over their web site it appears that "Easy Transfer" is part
of Vista so in other words you can't unless and until its on your
system. If not, how then?

For people that have extremely complex systems like I do,(over 2 TB of
applications and files), a clean install is a nightmere and a poor
choice.

>2. Returning Windows Vista Home Premium and purchasing Windows Vista
>Business or Ultimate. Enterprise is probably not an option available to
>you.


Your solution is pay more money for features I don't want and never
will use. Explain how that makes any sense.

>3. Returning Vista and stay with Windows XP Pro.


Anybody have any USEFUL suggestions or is this newsgroup just infested
with Microshaft butt kissers?

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Old 02-04-2007
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
 

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Re: Why can't I install Vista home preimum on XP Pro SP2 system with NO REPORTED ISSUES as a upgrade?
"claim elsewhere you can install Vista Home Premium over XP Pro."
Please post the source.
You can use windows Easy Transfer and install Vista, but you an not perform
what you want because it is a downgrade.
This is as it has been in the past and is not new with Vista.

"yet they can do a "upgrade""
Yes, and as has already been said, you can not downgrade.
They are not the same regardless the $ spent.
That is one of the many differences between an OS written primarily for the
home and another written for business use.

As for "Give me a TECHNICAL reason..."
You would have to ask Microsoft for the details.

As for "shafting its customers"
Some feel that way, but it is you that made the choice.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:08ras2h4fg8nveab4295righ6u33ntvsm6@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:52:34 -0700, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
> <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:
>
>>You are attempting a downgrade by going from Windows XP Pro to Windows
>>Vista
>>Home Premium.

>
> Laughable comment. I paid MORE MONEY for XP Pro then people paid for
> XP Home, yet they can do a "upgrade". As yet, nobody has gave a
> logical reason why Microsoft is f...ing their customers that they
> already made MORE money from. You sure haven't.
>
> Get this, I saw a least one MVP claim elsewhere you can install Vista
> Home Premium over XP Pro.
>
> Give me a TECHNICAL reason why Microsoft is shafting its customers
> over this. Lots of luck.
>
>>The operative word here is "Home".
>>You have some choices which you seem to reject two:
>>1. Perform a Clean Install using Windows Easy Transfer to save your data
>>and
>>settings.

>
> How? From the typical and utterly useless Microsoft documentation if
> you can ever call the garbage that Microshaft scatters in dozens of
> places all over their web site it appears that "Easy Transfer" is part
> of Vista so in other words you can't unless and until its on your
> system. If not, how then?
>
> For people that have extremely complex systems like I do,(over 2 TB of
> applications and files), a clean install is a nightmere and a poor
> choice.
>
>>2. Returning Windows Vista Home Premium and purchasing Windows Vista
>>Business or Ultimate. Enterprise is probably not an option available to
>>you.

>
> Your solution is pay more money for features I don't want and never
> will use. Explain how that makes any sense.
>
>>3. Returning Vista and stay with Windows XP Pro.

>
> Anybody have any USEFUL suggestions or is this newsgroup just infested
> with Microshaft butt kissers?
>


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Old 02-04-2007
A
 

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Re: Why can't I install Vista home preimum on XP Pro SP2 system with NO REPORTED ISSUES as a upgrade?
How about writing an OS primarily for - computer- use? There are so many
"flavors" of Vista that unless somebody's a computer professional it's very
easy to get confused and flummoxed.

I upgraded from Media Center to Home Premium, since there is no Vista
Professional and using the camparison charts MS provides seemed to meet my
needs, spending more money for that than I have for any OS upgrade,
including from ME to 2000 to XP Pro. Upgrade Advisor told me nothing in the
four times I ran it which suggested that wouldn't be an option. And yes, for
many people the cost is a/the determinate factor; why be forced to pay lots
more for things that are useless to someone for how they use their
computers?

Now Vista has obliterated the wireless network connection I had with my
laptop via my router and is cryptic about wht I need to do to get that set
up again, denied me access to setting up Meeting Space and some other things
even though I'm the only user of my computer and have administrator rights,
put some bogus user icon on my login screen with the same name but no
acceptable password where I have to Switch Users every time to even log in
to a computer no one else uses and was working fine under XP SP2, and
generally continues to be a daily pain in the ass trying to figure out
what's wrong and having to hunt down ways to fix it.

Of course I could go back to XP and recreate years of updates, settings, try
to find the apps I downloaded from the Internet and reinstall them, plus all
the apps I was using without any problems just days ago, and get my home
network connection set up again, but all that would take days or maybe
(shudder) weeks.

Or I could go back, take several hours reinstalling XP Media Center as it
existed on my machine when I bought it a year and two months ago, then spend
eight more hours trying to upgrade to Vista Home Premium again and hope this
time it worked right, and then more days getting everything set up and
reinstalled (and uninstalled from the HP factory install) but who has
another week to dedicate to that? What about the actual work I need to use
my computer for? I don't have the time, or the perseverence, to fall more
than a week more behind.

As someone who installed Vista last Wednesday and is still trying to get the
glitches and foulups fixed (and having little luck from using these usenet
groups also) I can understand why someone would get po'ed with Vista, and
with someone who says "buy an Apple" or something else like that as a
solution. Perhaps someone who'd say something like that is a holdover from
the old days when, as a rule, techies were people who didn't have very good
people skills. But frustration causes some of us to enjoy "smart ass humor"
less than we ordinarily would.

I can also understand why someone would see all this as a way of shafting
MS's own loyal customers who aren't major corporations or don't have the
money to buy new computers with Vista already installed and then go through
the rigamarole of installing all their apps, work, doenloads, music,
pictures, etc. and settings all over again. I pretty much feel that way
myself.

There should, IMO, be a Vista Home, a Vista Pro/Media Center/Tablet PC
(since they were all supersets of Pro supposedly), and a Vista Server. The
rest is just a way of confusing customers so MS can charge more money, again
IMO, like the cable company, the unregulated utilities, or car companies.
"You need this option, or that option, or this or that in combination with
this, which will cost you extra, but there's a "current promotion" which
will save you some money, but unfortunately it's Tuesday afternoon and the
moon isn't out so you're not eligible for it this week, etc."

And don't get me started on not being able to clean install with just a CD
of a former OS without having to install it over first, like it's always
been.

Vista as packaged just seems to be MS's middle finger salute to it's loyal
customers who aren't major megabusinesses or who can afford to buy new
computers with Vista already installed, and having to add to that insult
with support that isn't, or is bitchy, is a lot for anyone to put up with.
IMO.

John


"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
news:O5egBzCSHHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> "claim elsewhere you can install Vista Home Premium over XP Pro."
> Please post the source.
> You can use windows Easy Transfer and install Vista, but you an not
> perform what you want because it is a downgrade.
> This is as it has been in the past and is not new with Vista.
>
> "yet they can do a "upgrade""
> Yes, and as has already been said, you can not downgrade.
> They are not the same regardless the $ spent.
> That is one of the many differences between an OS written primarily for
> the home and another written for business use.
>
> As for "Give me a TECHNICAL reason..."
> You would have to ask Microsoft for the details.
>
> As for "shafting its customers"
> Some feel that way, but it is you that made the choice.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
> news:08ras2h4fg8nveab4295righ6u33ntvsm6@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:52:34 -0700, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
>> <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>You are attempting a downgrade by going from Windows XP Pro to Windows
>>>Vista
>>>Home Premium.

>>
>> Laughable comment. I paid MORE MONEY for XP Pro then people paid for
>> XP Home, yet they can do a "upgrade". As yet, nobody has gave a
>> logical reason why Microsoft is f...ing their customers that they
>> already made MORE money from. You sure haven't.
>>
>> Get this, I saw a least one MVP claim elsewhere you can install Vista
>> Home Premium over XP Pro.
>>
>> Give me a TECHNICAL reason why Microsoft is shafting its customers
>> over this. Lots of luck.
>>
>>>The operative word here is "Home".
>>>You have some choices which you seem to reject two:
>>>1. Perform a Clean Install using Windows Easy Transfer to save your data
>>>and
>>>settings.

>>
>> How? From the typical and utterly useless Microsoft documentation if
>> you can ever call the garbage that Microshaft scatters in dozens of
>> places all over their web site it appears that "Easy Transfer" is part
>> of Vista so in other words you can't unless and until its on your
>> system. If not, how then?
>>
>> For people that have extremely complex systems like I do,(over 2 TB of
>> applications and files), a clean install is a nightmere and a poor
>> choice.
>>
>>>2. Returning Windows Vista Home Premium and purchasing Windows Vista
>>>Business or Ultimate. Enterprise is probably not an option available to
>>>you.

>>
>> Your solution is pay more money for features I don't want and never
>> will use. Explain how that makes any sense.
>>
>>>3. Returning Vista and stay with Windows XP Pro.

>>
>> Anybody have any USEFUL suggestions or is this newsgroup just infested
>> with Microshaft butt kissers?
>>

>


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Old 02-04-2007
MICHAEL
 

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Re: Why can't I install Vista home preimum on XP Pro SP2 system with NO REPORTED ISSUES as a upgrade?
Adam, you can't do an in place upgrade like you want to do.
But, you can do a "custom install", which is basically a clean install.
More than likely, whether or not you could "upgrade", you'd
be better off with a custom install.

Use Windows Easy Transfer and save you settings and stuff.
Then put them back into your new Vista install.

I understand your point. It seems to me, that there is
no technical reason why it couldn't be have been done-
except, Microsoft doesn't allow it. They made the install work like that.
All installs of Vista are technically "clean" installs- there is
no old code left over from a previous version. After, the
image is laid down (block copying instead of file copying),
all the users' settings and programs are put back. What the
install deems unsuitable, it puts in the windows.old folder.
The install program could have been easily setup to determine
XP Pro's features would not be part of your Home install.

Folks here are blowing smoke up users' asses. They are right,
an upgrade in place won't work. But, it's because that's the way
it was made to be. That's the way Microsoft wanted it.

-Michael


"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:08ras2h4fg8nveab4295righ6u33ntvsm6@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:52:34 -0700, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
> <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:
>
>>You are attempting a downgrade by going from Windows XP Pro to Windows Vista
>>Home Premium.

>
> Laughable comment. I paid MORE MONEY for XP Pro then people paid for
> XP Home, yet they can do a "upgrade". As yet, nobody has gave a
> logical reason why Microsoft is f...ing their customers that they
> already made MORE money from. You sure haven't.
>
> Get this, I saw a least one MVP claim elsewhere you can install Vista
> Home Premium over XP Pro.
>
> Give me a TECHNICAL reason why Microsoft is shafting its customers
> over this. Lots of luck.
>
>>The operative word here is "Home".
>>You have some choices which you seem to reject two:
>>1. Perform a Clean Install using Windows Easy Transfer to save your data and
>>settings.

>
> How? From the typical and utterly useless Microsoft documentation if
> you can ever call the garbage that Microshaft scatters in dozens of
> places all over their web site it appears that "Easy Transfer" is part
> of Vista so in other words you can't unless and until its on your
> system. If not, how then?
>
> For people that have extremely complex systems like I do,(over 2 TB of
> applications and files), a clean install is a nightmere and a poor
> choice.
>
>>2. Returning Windows Vista Home Premium and purchasing Windows Vista
>>Business or Ultimate. Enterprise is probably not an option available to
>>you.

>
> Your solution is pay more money for features I don't want and never
> will use. Explain how that makes any sense.
>
>>3. Returning Vista and stay with Windows XP Pro.

>
> Anybody have any USEFUL suggestions or is this newsgroup just infested
> with Microshaft butt kissers?
>


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Old 02-04-2007
Adam Albright
 

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Re: Why can't I install Vista home preimum on XP Pro SP2 system with NO REPORTED ISSUES as a upgrade?
On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 00:18:31 -0700, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>"claim elsewhere you can install Vista Home Premium over XP Pro."
>Please post the source.
>You can use windows Easy Transfer and install Vista, but you an not perform
>what you want because it is a downgrade.
>This is as it has been in the past and is not new with Vista.
>
>"yet they can do a "upgrade""
>Yes, and as has already been said, you can not downgrade.
>They are not the same regardless the $ spent.
>That is one of the many differences between an OS written primarily for the
>home and another written for business use.
>
>As for "Give me a TECHNICAL reason..."
>You would have to ask Microsoft for the details.
>
>As for "shafting its customers"
>Some feel that way, but it is you that made the choice.



Your "advice" is as amateurish and as useless as your web site. Thanks
so much for nothing. Typical MVP. You only are capable of parroting
Microsoft BS. They pay you for that, or do you worship Microsoft of
your own free will?


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Old 02-05-2007
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
 

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Re: Why can't I install Vista home preimum on XP Pro SP2 system with NO REPORTED ISSUES as a upgrade?
"There are so many "flavors" of Vista that unless somebody's"
If you say so, but four is really all there is and that does not seem like
"so many" to me.
Home Basic
Home Premium
Business
Ultimate
Then all of those have upgrades but the upgrades net the same as the full
version.
Enterprise is not included since people do not have that option unless they
are an Enterprise user (larger business)

If Someone has Windows XP Home and wants comparable Vista, Home Premium is
probably what they want.
If they use Windows XP Pro, they probably want Vista Business.
Vista Home Basic and Vista Ultimate have no comparative product in the
previous versions of Windows.

"There should, IMO..."
That sounds good to you.
How about for others who like the increased selection with more varying
costs?
Your idea would give buyers less freedom of choice which anyone is free to
do with the operating system they create.
Microsoft chose to give buyers more options than you would.

"Vista Server"
No such thing and probably never will be.
However Microsoft just got the Longhorn Server Beta in full swing.
Longhorn Server is rumored to be called Server 2007 when released probably
later this year.

"And don't get me started"
You brought that up, no one else.
So you should not get yourself started.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"A" <a@a.net> wrote in message news:uyjTnJFSHHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> How about writing an OS primarily for - computer- use? There are so many
> "flavors" of Vista that unless somebody's a computer professional it's
> very easy to get confused and flummoxed.
>
> I upgraded from Media Center to Home Premium, since there is no Vista
> Professional and using the camparison charts MS provides seemed to meet my
> needs, spending more money for that than I have for any OS upgrade,
> including from ME to 2000 to XP Pro. Upgrade Advisor told me nothing in
> the four times I ran it which suggested that wouldn't be an option. And
> yes, for many people the cost is a/the determinate factor; why be forced
> to pay lots more for things that are useless to someone for how they use
> their computers?
>
> Now Vista has obliterated the wireless network connection I had with my
> laptop via my router and is cryptic about wht I need to do to get that set
> up again, denied me access to setting up Meeting Space and some other
> things even though I'm the only user of my computer and have administrator
> rights, put some bogus user icon on my login screen with the same name but
> no acceptable password where I have to Switch Users every time to even log
> in to a computer no one else uses and was working fine under XP SP2, and
> generally continues to be a daily pain in the ass trying to figure out
> what's wrong and having to hunt down ways to fix it.
>
> Of course I could go back to XP and recreate years of updates, settings,
> try to find the apps I downloaded from the Internet and reinstall them,
> plus all the apps I was using without any problems just days ago, and get
> my home network connection set up again, but all that would take days or
> maybe (shudder) weeks.
>
> Or I could go back, take several hours reinstalling XP Media Center as it
> existed on my machine when I bought it a year and two months ago, then
> spend eight more hours trying to upgrade to Vista Home Premium again and
> hope this time it worked right, and then more days getting everything set
> up and reinstalled (and uninstalled from the HP factory install) but who
> has another week to dedicate to that? What about the actual work I need to
> use my computer for? I don't have the time, or the perseverence, to fall
> more than a week more behind.
>
> As someone who installed Vista last Wednesday and is still trying to get
> the glitches and foulups fixed (and having little luck from using these
> usenet groups also) I can understand why someone would get po'ed with
> Vista, and with someone who says "buy an Apple" or something else like
> that as a solution. Perhaps someone who'd say something like that is a
> holdover from the old days when, as a rule, techies were people who didn't
> have very good people skills. But frustration causes some of us to enjoy
> "smart ass humor" less than we ordinarily would.
>
> I can also understand why someone would see all this as a way of shafting
> MS's own loyal customers who aren't major corporations or don't have the
> money to buy new computers with Vista already installed and then go
> through the rigamarole of installing all their apps, work, doenloads,
> music, pictures, etc. and settings all over again. I pretty much feel that
> way myself.
>
> There should, IMO, be a Vista Home, a Vista Pro/Media Center/Tablet PC
> (since they were all supersets of Pro supposedly), and a Vista Server. The
> rest is just a way of confusing customers so MS can charge more money,
> again IMO, like the cable company, the unregulated utilities, or car
> companies. "You need this option, or that option, or this or that in
> combination with this, which will cost you extra, but there's a "current
> promotion" which will save you some money, but unfortunately it's Tuesday
> afternoon and the moon isn't out so you're not eligible for it this week,
> etc."
>
> And don't get me started on not being able to clean install with just a CD
> of a former OS without having to install it over first, like it's always
> been.
>
> Vista as packaged just seems to be MS's middle finger salute to it's loyal
> customers who aren't major megabusinesses or who can afford to buy new
> computers with Vista already installed, and having to add to that insult
> with support that isn't, or is bitchy, is a lot for anyone to put up with.
> IMO.
>
> John
>
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
> news:O5egBzCSHHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> "claim elsewhere you can install Vista Home Premium over XP Pro."
>> Please post the source.
>> You can use windows Easy Transfer and install Vista, but you an not
>> perform what you want because it is a downgrade.
>> This is as it has been in the past and is not new with Vista.
>>
>> "yet they can do a "upgrade""
>> Yes, and as has already been said, you can not downgrade.
>> They are not the same regardless the $ spent.
>> That is one of the many differences between an OS written primarily for
>> the home and another written for business use.
>>
>> As for "Give me a TECHNICAL reason..."
>> You would have to ask Microsoft for the details.
>>
>> As for "shafting its customers"
>> Some feel that way, but it is you that made the choice.
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>
>>
>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>> news:08ras2h4fg8nveab4295righ6u33ntvsm6@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:52:34 -0700, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
>>> <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>You are attempting a downgrade by going from Windows XP Pro to Windows
>>>>Vista
>>>>Home Premium.
>>>
>>> Laughable comment. I paid MORE MONEY for XP Pro then people paid for
>>> XP Home, yet they can do a "upgrade". As yet, nobody has gave a
>>> logical reason why Microsoft is f...ing their customers that they
>>> already made MORE money from. You sure haven't.
>>>
>>> Get this, I saw a least one MVP claim elsewhere you can install Vista
>>> Home Premium over XP Pro.
>>>
>>> Give me a TECHNICAL reason why Microsoft is shafting its customers
>>> over this. Lots of luck.
>>>
>>>>The operative word here is "Home".
>>>>You have some choices which you seem to reject two:
>>>>1. Perform a Clean Install using Windows Easy Transfer to save your data
>>>>and
>>>>settings.
>>>
>>> How? From the typical and utterly useless Microsoft documentation if
>>> you can ever call the garbage that Microshaft scatters in dozens of
>>> places all over their web site it appears that "Easy Transfer" is part
>>> of Vista so in other words you can't unless and until its on your
>>> system. If not, how then?
>>>
>>> For people that have extremely complex systems like I do,(over 2 TB of
>>> applications and files), a clean install is a nightmere and a poor
>>> choice.
>>>
>>>>2. Returning Windows Vista Home Premium and purchasing Windows Vista
>>>>Business or Ultimate. Enterprise is probably not an option available to
>>>>you.
>>>
>>> Your solution is pay more money for features I don't want and never
>>> will use. Explain how that makes any sense.
>>>
>>>>3. Returning Vista and stay with Windows XP Pro.
>>>
>>> Anybody have any USEFUL suggestions or is this newsgroup just infested
>>> with Microshaft butt kissers?
>>>

>>

>


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Re: Why can't I install Vista home preimum on XP Pro SP2 system withNO REPORTED ISSUES as a upgrade?
A wrote:
> How about writing an OS primarily for - computer- use? There are so
> many "flavors" of Vista that unless somebody's a computer professional
> it's very easy to get confused and flummoxed.
>
> I upgraded from Media Center to Home Premium, since there is no Vista
> Professional and using the camparison charts MS provides seemed to meet
> my needs, spending more money for that than I have for any OS upgrade,
> including from ME to 2000 to XP Pro. Upgrade Advisor told me nothing in
> the four times I ran it which suggested that wouldn't be an option. And
> yes, for many people the cost is a/the determinate factor; why be forced
> to pay lots more for things that are useless to someone for how they use
> their computers?
>
> Now Vista has obliterated the wireless network connection I had with my
> laptop via my router and is cryptic about wht I need to do to get that
> set up again, denied me access to setting up Meeting Space and some
> other things even though I'm the only user of my computer and have
> administrator rights, put some bogus user icon on my login screen with
> the same name but no acceptable password where I have to Switch Users
> every time to even log in to a computer no one else uses and was working
> fine under XP SP2, and generally continues to be a daily pain in the ass
> trying to figure out what's wrong and having to hunt down ways to fix it.
>
> Of course I could go back to XP and recreate years of updates, settings,
> try to find the apps I downloaded from the Internet and reinstall them,
> plus all the apps I was using without any problems just days ago, and
> get my home network connection set up again, but all that would take
> days or maybe (shudder) weeks.
>
> Or I could go back, take several hours reinstalling XP Media Center as
> it existed on my machine when I bought it a year and two months ago,
> then spend eight more hours trying to upgrade to Vista Home Premium
> again and hope this time it worked right, and then more days getting
> everything set up and reinstalled (and uninstalled from the HP factory
> install) but who has another week to dedicate to that? What about the
> actual work I need to use my computer for? I don't have the time, or the
> perseverence, to fall more than a week more behind.
>
> As someone who installed Vista last Wednesday and is still trying to get
> the glitches and foulups fixed (and having little luck from using these
> usenet groups also) I can understand why someone would get po'ed with
> Vista, and with someone who says "buy an Apple" or something else like
> that as a solution. Perhaps someone who'd say something like that is a
> holdover from the old days when, as a rule, techies were people who
> didn't have very good people skills. But frustration causes some of us
> to enjoy "smart ass humor" less than we ordinarily would.
>
> I can also understand why someone would see all this as a way of
> shafting MS's own loyal customers who aren't major corporations or don't
> have the money to buy new computers with Vista already installed and
> then go through the rigamarole of installing all their apps, work,
> doenloads, music, pictures, etc. and settings all over again. I pretty
> much feel that way myself.
>
> There should, IMO, be a Vista Home, a Vista Pro/Media Center/Tablet PC
> (since they were all supersets of Pro supposedly), and a Vista Server.
> The rest is just a way of confusing customers so MS can charge more
> money, again IMO, like the cable company, the unregulated utilities, or
> car companies. "You need this option, or that option, or this or that in
> combination with this, which will cost you extra, but there's a "current
> promotion" which will save you some money, but unfortunately it's
> Tuesday afternoon and the moon isn't out so you're not eligible for it
> this week, etc."
>
> And don't get me started on not being able to clean install with just a
> CD of a former OS without having to install it over first, like it's
> always been.
>
> Vista as packaged just seems to be MS's middle finger salute to it's
> loyal customers who aren't major megabusinesses or who can afford to buy
> new computers with Vista already installed, and having to add to that
> insult with support that isn't, or is bitchy, is a lot for anyone to put
> up with. IMO.
>
> John
>
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
> news:O5egBzCSHHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> "claim elsewhere you can install Vista Home Premium over XP Pro."
>> Please post the source.
>> You can use windows Easy Transfer and install Vista, but you an not
>> perform what you want because it is a downgrade.
>> This is as it has been in the past and is not new with Vista.
>>
>> "yet they can do a "upgrade""
>> Yes, and as has already been said, you can not downgrade.
>> They are not the same regardless the $ spent.
>> That is one of the many differences between an OS written primarily
>> for the home and another written for business use.
>>
>> As for "Give me a TECHNICAL reason..."
>> You would have to ask Microsoft for the details.
>>
>> As for "shafting its customers"
>> Some feel that way, but it is you that made the choice.
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>
>>
>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>> news:08ras2h4fg8nveab4295righ6u33ntvsm6@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:52:34 -0700, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
>>> <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You are attempting a downgrade by going from Windows XP Pro to
>>>> Windows Vista
>>>> Home Premium.
>>>
>>> Laughable comment. I paid MORE MONEY for XP Pro then people paid for
>>> XP Home, yet they can do a "upgrade". As yet, nobody has gave a
>>> logical reason why Microsoft is f...ing their customers that they
>>> already made MORE money from. You sure haven't.
>>>
>>> Get this, I saw a least one MVP claim elsewhere you can install Vista
>>> Home Premium over XP Pro.
>>>
>>> Give me a TECHNICAL reason why Microsoft is shafting its customers
>>> over this. Lots of luck.
>>>
>>>> The operative word here is "Home".
>>>> You have some choices which you seem to reject two:
>>>> 1. Perform a Clean Install using Windows Easy Transfer to save your
>>>> data and
>>>> settings.
>>>
>>> How? From the typical and utterly useless Microsoft documentation if
>>> you can ever call the garbage that Microshaft scatters in dozens of
>>> places all over their web site it appears that "Easy Transfer" is part
>>> of Vista so in other words you can't unless and until its on your
>>> system. If not, how then?
>>>
>>> For people that have extremely complex systems like I do,(over 2 TB of
>>> applications and files), a clean install is a nightmere and a poor
>>> choice.
>>>
>>>> 2. Returning Windows Vista Home Premium and purchasing Windows Vista
>>>> Business or Ultimate. Enterprise is probably not an option
>>>> available to
>>>> you.
>>>
>>> Your solution is pay more money for features I don't want and never
>>> will use. Explain how that makes any sense.
>>>
>>>> 3. Returning Vista and stay with Windows XP Pro.
>>>
>>> Anybody have any USEFUL suggestions or is this newsgroup just infested
>>> with Microshaft butt kissers?
>>>

>>

>

yes you can install premium over just xp pro, not media center edition!!!!
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