Re: Are we in BIG troubles Guys ??

I am having a similar problem - that can definately NOT be blamed on
third part apps! Before starting the install, I plugged in a drive
(freshly formatted as NTFS) to my XP Pro machine, and off-loaded all my
data onto this drive. Then, on machine #2 (brand new machine, new
drives) I installed Vista 64-bit RTM (I am an MSDN member).

Then using a network browse (ie \\MACHINE1\Share, enter username as
MACHINE1\Administrator plus pass), I tried to simply copy the files
from the XP machine to the new Vista machine. The Vista machine is not
part of a domain, and has NO third party software installed in it. I
got the "You need permission to perform this action" - checked all the
perms on both machines and everything set to full control (both share
and file level).

Even MORE odd is the fact that I can access the data on the remote
machine - even run programs and alter files - which means this is NOT a
perms problem on the remote machine.

Seems there is a MAJOR bug in Vista preventing any "foreign" data from
being copied onto local drives.

I also tried downloading a file from the new, and moving it to the same
folder that I was trying to copy to - this it could do no problem.

I trust that this bug will be addressed ASAP, as I am sure that many,
many people will need to be able to actually store data on their Vista
machines, not just have them look pretty!


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No problems here and many have copied. Some kind of setup problem for you.
As a test, try logging on in safe mode AS Administrator (not just
administrative privileges) and try your copy and see if this changes
anything. Check permissions and change if necessary first.

"TBullock" <TBullock.2i7u4x@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message
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> I am having a similar problem - that can definately NOT be blamed on
> third part apps! Before starting the install, I plugged in a drive
> (freshly formatted as NTFS) to my XP Pro machine, and off-loaded all my
> data onto this drive. Then, on machine #2 (brand new machine, new
> drives) I installed Vista 64-bit RTM (I am an MSDN member).
>
> Then using a network browse (ie \\MACHINE1\Share, enter username as
> MACHINE1\Administrator plus pass), I tried to simply copy the files
> from the XP machine to the new Vista machine. The Vista machine is not
> part of a domain, and has NO third party software installed in it. I
> got the "You need permission to perform this action" - checked all the
> perms on both machines and everything set to full control (both share
> and file level).
>
> Even MORE odd is the fact that I can access the data on the remote
> machine - even run programs and alter files - which means this is NOT a
> perms problem on the remote machine.
>
> Seems there is a MAJOR bug in Vista preventing any "foreign" data from
> being copied onto local drives.
>
> I also tried downloading a file from the new, and moving it to the same
> folder that I was trying to copy to - this it could do no problem.
>
> I trust that this bug will be addressed ASAP, as I am sure that many,
> many people will need to be able to actually store data on their Vista
> machines, not just have them look pretty!
>
>
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I have 4 drives in my computer. Three of them have data from prior Windows
XP installations. Some of this data goes back to windows 95 days. I have no
problem at all writing data from the three drives to my Windows Vista drive.

You have a setup problem or did something wrong. I wasn't looking over your
shoulder as you set up your computer so I can't tell you what you did wrong.
BUT, there is "not" a bug that prevents the copying of data into a Vista
system drive.

It may be the program (backup program?) that you are using to try to do
this.

I can also bring over files from another computer (server) on my home
network at will.

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"TBullock" <TBullock.2i7u4x@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message
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>
> I am having a similar problem - that can definately NOT be blamed on
> third part apps! Before starting the install, I plugged in a drive
> (freshly formatted as NTFS) to my XP Pro machine, and off-loaded all my
> data onto this drive. Then, on machine #2 (brand new machine, new
> drives) I installed Vista 64-bit RTM (I am an MSDN member).
>
> Then using a network browse (ie \\MACHINE1\Share, enter username as
> MACHINE1\Administrator plus pass), I tried to simply copy the files
> from the XP machine to the new Vista machine. The Vista machine is not
> part of a domain, and has NO third party software installed in it. I
> got the "You need permission to perform this action" - checked all the
> perms on both machines and everything set to full control (both share
> and file level).
>
> Even MORE odd is the fact that I can access the data on the remote
> machine - even run programs and alter files - which means this is NOT a
> perms problem on the remote machine.
>
> Seems there is a MAJOR bug in Vista preventing any "foreign" data from
> being copied onto local drives.
>
> I also tried downloading a file from the new, and moving it to the same
> folder that I was trying to copy to - this it could do no problem.
>
> I trust that this bug will be addressed ASAP, as I am sure that many,
> many people will need to be able to actually store data on their Vista
> machines, not just have them look pretty!
>
>
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It's interesting that the pat answer of "I have no problem, therefore it
can't be a bug" seems to always be the default answer! This is made
more irritating by the fact that a simple Google search yeilds LOTS of
people with the same problem!

I am not talking about moving data from one (XP) drive to another
mounted on the Vista machine, but rather accessing a network share and
copying files from there. This is NOT the same thing!

I have to laugh when you say that it must be a setup problem - setup
asks about 5 questions in total - machine name, user name and password,
where to install and a key ... I find it a tad difficult to know exactly
HOW I could possibly mess that up!

I have re-installed this now twice to make sure that it is, in fact, a
bug. I am running an Asus P5B Deluxe motherboard, new drives (ie not
upgrading, or anything like that), and as the IT manager for a 1000
person firm, am very well familiar with how to set up a simple
workstation!

I can also copy files FROM an XP station on the network TO the Vista
machine without issues (into same location), and also open, run, modify
remote files FROM the Vista machine. What I cannot do is copy or move
files from a remote network machine to the local drives - to ANY
location onthe local drives. My machine has absolutely nothing
installed except Vista, and Avast anti-virus, and as I said it's a
simple default install - not joined to a domain, no aftermarket
firewall, nothing. On the previous install I had Trend Micro antivirus
installed, with the same result, so don't bother trying to say that it's
antivirus!

It is likely that this issue is specific to the 64 bit version, or
perhaps even to a particular driver within the 64 bit version, but this
IS a bug! Saying that it doesn't exist because you haven't seen it does
not alter the fact that it has affected more than just me - again, check
Google for pages of people with similar comments!


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The ACLs have changed quite a bit in Vista. Places where you used to have
permissions in XP you don't in Vista. There are junctions to fool old
programs into thinking folders exist that don't really exist. It sounds like
a permissions problem with the destination. I'll ask you the same thing I
asked PierreDa and never got an answer to. What is the full path to the
folder where you are trying to copy the files to?

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Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
www.vistahelp.ca



TBullock wrote:
> I am having a similar problem - that can definately NOT be blamed on
> third part apps! Before starting the install, I plugged in a drive
> (freshly formatted as NTFS) to my XP Pro machine, and off-loaded all
> my data onto this drive. Then, on machine #2 (brand new machine, new
> drives) I installed Vista 64-bit RTM (I am an MSDN member).
>
> Then using a network browse (ie \\MACHINE1\Share, enter username as
> MACHINE1\Administrator plus pass), I tried to simply copy the files
> from the XP machine to the new Vista machine. The Vista machine is
> not part of a domain, and has NO third party software installed in
> it. I got the "You need permission to perform this action" - checked
> all the perms on both machines and everything set to full control
> (both share and file level).
>
> Even MORE odd is the fact that I can access the data on the remote
> machine - even run programs and alter files - which means this is NOT
> a perms problem on the remote machine.
>
> Seems there is a MAJOR bug in Vista preventing any "foreign" data from
> being copied onto local drives.
>
> I also tried downloading a file from the new, and moving it to the
> same folder that I was trying to copy to - this it could do no
> problem.
>
> I trust that this bug will be addressed ASAP, as I am sure that many,
> many people will need to be able to actually store data on their Vista
> machines, not just have them look pretty!

I can sympathize with your having problems with Vista, but
if others are not experiencing the same problems, how can
you expect them to have any ideas on how to correct the
problems? The suggestions offered are an effort to help you
isolate and correct your problem.

I see all kinds of reported problems posted. Some of the
problems posted are on the same hardware I have, but I am
not experiencing the problems. In these cases I am led to
presume the problem is neither hardware nor software based,
but something in the setup or configuration. I have both
x86 and x64 versions of Vista RC2 running and I have yet to
have a single problem with either of them.

I finally gave up trying to offer suggestions because of
those, like you, that get irritated because others weren't
having the same problems.

If you know of some way for people to know what your
problems are when they are not experiencing the same
problems, please let me know how one goes about that. I
would truly like to know how anyone could accomplish this.



TBullock wrote:
> It's interesting that the pat answer of "I have no problem, therefore it
> can't be a bug" seems to always be the default answer! This is made
> more irritating by the fact that a simple Google search yeilds LOTS of
> people with the same problem!
>
> I am not talking about moving data from one (XP) drive to another
> mounted on the Vista machine, but rather accessing a network share and
> copying files from there. This is NOT the same thing!
>
> I have to laugh when you say that it must be a setup problem - setup
> asks about 5 questions in total - machine name, user name and password,
> where to install and a key ... I find it a tad difficult to know exactly
> HOW I could possibly mess that up!
>
> I have re-installed this now twice to make sure that it is, in fact, a
> bug. I am running an Asus P5B Deluxe motherboard, new drives (ie not
> upgrading, or anything like that), and as the IT manager for a 1000
> person firm, am very well familiar with how to set up a simple
> workstation!
>
> I can also copy files FROM an XP station on the network TO the Vista
> machine without issues (into same location), and also open, run, modify
> remote files FROM the Vista machine. What I cannot do is copy or move
> files from a remote network machine to the local drives - to ANY
> location onthe local drives. My machine has absolutely nothing
> installed except Vista, and Avast anti-virus, and as I said it's a
> simple default install - not joined to a domain, no aftermarket
> firewall, nothing. On the previous install I had Trend Micro antivirus
> installed, with the same result, so don't bother trying to say that it's
> antivirus!
>
> It is likely that this issue is specific to the 64 bit version, or
> perhaps even to a particular driver within the 64 bit version, but this
> IS a bug! Saying that it doesn't exist because you haven't seen it does
> not alter the fact that it has affected more than just me - again, check
> Google for pages of people with similar comments!
>
>

I have tried several areas - the first attempt was to drag the remote
folder to the desktop. When that didn't wrk, I created a folder on the
C drive (C:\DOWNLOAD), and set the owner to the local user, and the
perms to everyone (also checked the box to propogate to subfolders, not
that there were any. Copy or move to here also failed.

Grasping at straws, I got a new hard drive, installed it as D,
formatted it NTFS, set the ownership and perms of the whole drive to
the local user, and tried again. Still fails.

Any ideas?


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I haven't seen your problem and I am able to do that which you can not.
Configuration differences? Setup differences? Who knows. But without having
the two machines side-by-side it is impossible to do an A-B comparison.

Again, I can copy files from anywhere and put them on my Vista partition.

If you did an upgrade install - try again with a clean install. Try
everything you would do in Windows XP if you had the same problem. Install
Vista with only the bare minimum of hardware connected (one hard drive, DVD
drive, video card, keyboard, mouse). See if everything works. Then connect
ONE addition device at a time, install the drivers and check again. If
everything is OK, do the same with your chosen software - one program at a
time with a reboot in between. You have the computer in front of you. We/I
do not.

Something in "your" system/setup is causing the problem. It is NOT a
universal condition that everyone is experiencing.

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Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

"TBullock" <TBullock.2i9rjh@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message
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>
> It's interesting that the pat answer of "I have no problem, therefore it
> can't be a bug" seems to always be the default answer! This is made
> more irritating by the fact that a simple Google search yeilds LOTS of
> people with the same problem!
>
> I am not talking about moving data from one (XP) drive to another
> mounted on the Vista machine, but rather accessing a network share and
> copying files from there. This is NOT the same thing!
>
> I have to laugh when you say that it must be a setup problem - setup
> asks about 5 questions in total - machine name, user name and password,
> where to install and a key ... I find it a tad difficult to know exactly
> HOW I could possibly mess that up!
>
> I have re-installed this now twice to make sure that it is, in fact, a
> bug. I am running an Asus P5B Deluxe motherboard, new drives (ie not
> upgrading, or anything like that), and as the IT manager for a 1000
> person firm, am very well familiar with how to set up a simple
> workstation!
>
> I can also copy files FROM an XP station on the network TO the Vista
> machine without issues (into same location), and also open, run, modify
> remote files FROM the Vista machine. What I cannot do is copy or move
> files from a remote network machine to the local drives - to ANY
> location onthe local drives. My machine has absolutely nothing
> installed except Vista, and Avast anti-virus, and as I said it's a
> simple default install - not joined to a domain, no aftermarket
> firewall, nothing. On the previous install I had Trend Micro antivirus
> installed, with the same result, so don't bother trying to say that it's
> antivirus!
>
> It is likely that this issue is specific to the 64 bit version, or
> perhaps even to a particular driver within the 64 bit version, but this
> IS a bug! Saying that it doesn't exist because you haven't seen it does
> not alter the fact that it has affected more than just me - again, check
> Google for pages of people with similar comments!
>
>
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I have created a folder in the root of C: (my Vista partition) called
Utility. I have installed 9 small applets to this folder. I can copy from
anywhere to this folder. I can delete from this folder at will, either from
across my local LAN, from my other 3 hard drives installed in the computer
or downloaded files from the internet.

See my other recent post.

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Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

"TBullock" <TBullock.2iauff@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message
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>
> I have tried several areas - the first attempt was to drag the remote
> folder to the desktop. When that didn't wrk, I created a folder on the
> C drive (C:\DOWNLOAD), and set the owner to the local user, and the
> perms to everyone (also checked the box to propogate to subfolders, not
> that there were any. Copy or move to here also failed.
>
> Grasping at straws, I got a new hard drive, installed it as D,
> formatted it NTFS, set the ownership and perms of the whole drive to
> the local user, and tried again. Still fails.
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
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I have just confirmed this as well. I can create a folder on a Vista
computer and share it. I edited the permissions so that everyone had modify,
read, and write access. I could copy files to and from this folder no
problem on the Vista computer. It didn't matter if the files were located on
a network share or local. If I went to an XP computer and mapped a drive to
the share I could see the share. I could copy files from the share. I could
not copy files to the share from the XP computer. I tried using several
different users when mapping the drive including a local administrator from
the Vista pc. It didn't matter which account I used I could not copy from
the XP pc to the Vista pc while using the XP pc. I don't know of any reason
why or any workarounds. Maybe someone else will have a suggestion.

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www.vistahelp.ca

"TBullock" <TBullock.2iauff@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message
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>
> I have tried several areas - the first attempt was to drag the remote
> folder to the desktop. When that didn't wrk, I created a folder on the
> C drive (C:\DOWNLOAD), and set the owner to the local user, and the
> perms to everyone (also checked the box to propogate to subfolders, not
> that there were any. Copy or move to here also failed.
>
> Grasping at straws, I got a new hard drive, installed it as D,
> formatted it NTFS, set the ownership and perms of the whole drive to
> the local user, and tried again. Still fails.
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
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