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Old 10-22-2007
Christopher R. Lee
 

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Emergency shut down during power cut
Hello,

I have an uninterruptible power supply (UPS), but when there is a power cut
it doesn't always leave me enough time to shut down the computer properly,
even when Vista hasn't decided to update itself during the shutdown
sequence.

UPSs come with software that's designed to take control automatically, but
as I can't afford to buy a new one for each new operating system, I havn't
looked to see if there is a model that shuts down Vista in a reasonably
short time.

Does Vista have any kind of emergency shutdown facility, or is it designed
exclusively for Californians?

Regards

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Old 10-22-2007
Malke
 

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Re: Emergency shut down during power cut
Christopher R. Lee wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have an uninterruptible power supply (UPS), but when there is a power
> cut it doesn't always leave me enough time to shut down the computer
> properly, even when Vista hasn't decided to update itself during the
> shutdown sequence.
>
> UPSs come with software that's designed to take control automatically,
> but as I can't afford to buy a new one for each new operating system, I
> havn't looked to see if there is a model that shuts down Vista in a
> reasonably short time.
>
> Does Vista have any kind of emergency shutdown facility, or is it
> designed exclusively for Californians?


You don't need to buy a new UPS for each new operating system unless
your UPS is incredibly old and/or from a unknown mftr. If your UPS is
made by one of the big guys - APC, Belkin, Tripplite - they will have
updated software on their websites. Go there and download the software,
after making sure it is compatible with Vista. Then you can control how
your computer shuts down during a power outage.

I don't understand what Californians have to do with this subject at all.


Malke
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Old 10-22-2007
JW
 

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Re: Emergency shut down during power cut
You need to get a larger capacity UPS to increase the time available to your
computer.
"Christopher R. Lee" <nobody@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:57044CCD-58D6-4C83-869C-DB5E1EFBC3B4@microsoft.com...
> Hello,
>
> I have an uninterruptible power supply (UPS), but when there is a power
> cut it doesn't always leave me enough time to shut down the computer
> properly, even when Vista hasn't decided to update itself during the
> shutdown sequence.
>
> UPSs come with software that's designed to take control automatically, but
> as I can't afford to buy a new one for each new operating system, I havn't
> looked to see if there is a model that shuts down Vista in a reasonably
> short time.
>
> Does Vista have any kind of emergency shutdown facility, or is it designed
> exclusively for Californians?
>
> Regards


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Old 10-22-2007
Cal Bear '66
 

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Re: Emergency shut down during power cut
If you have an APC UPS, here is a download link for their PowerChute Personal
Edition v2.1.1 for Vista:

http://www.apcc.com/tools/download/s...swfam=129&tsk=


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"Christopher R. Lee" <nobody@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:57044CCD-58D6-4C83-869C-DB5E1EFBC3B4@microsoft.com...
> Hello,
>
> I have an uninterruptible power supply (UPS), but when there is a power cut it
> doesn't always leave me enough time to shut down the computer properly, even
> when Vista hasn't decided to update itself during the shutdown sequence.
>
> UPSs come with software that's designed to take control automatically, but as
> I can't afford to buy a new one for each new operating system, I havn't looked
> to see if there is a model that shuts down Vista in a reasonably short time.
>
> Does Vista have any kind of emergency shutdown facility, or is it designed
> exclusively for Californians?
>
> Regards



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Old 10-22-2007
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Re: Emergency shut down during power cut
make sure the battery is not losing it's charge and your load isn't too much
for it

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"Christopher R. Lee" <nobody@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:57044CCD-58D6-4C83-869C-DB5E1EFBC3B4@microsoft.com...
> Hello,
>
> I have an uninterruptible power supply (UPS), but when there is a power
> cut it doesn't always leave me enough time to shut down the computer
> properly, even when Vista hasn't decided to update itself during the
> shutdown sequence.
>
> UPSs come with software that's designed to take control automatically, but
> as I can't afford to buy a new one for each new operating system, I havn't
> looked to see if there is a model that shuts down Vista in a reasonably
> short time.
>
> Does Vista have any kind of emergency shutdown facility, or is it designed
> exclusively for Californians?
>
> Regards


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Old 10-22-2007
Christopher R. Lee
 

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Re: Emergency shut down during power cut
I bought mine in a local hypermarket, but unusually for that sort of retail
outlet it's manufactured locally (saves CO2 transporting heavy stuff across
the Atlantic/Pacific, I suppose).

The firm is Infosec, who make very good stuff. However, like many suppliers
they don't yet have a Vista driver for this model. Also, since they are more
geared up for big industrial installations than home applications, the
interface is RS232, which is still standard in industry and laboratories and
will be for a long time to come.

I suppose I could buy a RS232 card or USB converter.

But my point is really that it should be possible to shut down an OS cleanly
and quickly by means of some kind of panic button/icon. Ideally (some
hope...), the PC should have a button (like the old reset button) that can
be activated by the user or the UPS, and read by the OS without any
proprietary UPS software.

In reply to another reply, I mentioned California, because hardware and
software designers need to be aware that in many parts of the world power
consumption and power outages are a limiting factor for the use of
computers, and big UPSs cost money. The same arguments are valid for
uninterruptible broadband access, but that's another story.

Regards


"Cal Bear '66" <xxx@xxx.org> a écrit dans le message de
news:B964A9BE-1805-45A1-ADBE-80DD5A9CDE62@microsoft.com...
> If you have an APC UPS, here is a download link for their PowerChute
> Personal Edition v2.1.1 for Vista:
>
> http://www.apcc.com/tools/download/s...swfam=129&tsk=
>
>
> I Bleed Blue and Gold
> GO BEARS!
>
>
> "Christopher R. Lee" <nobody@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:57044CCD-58D6-4C83-869C-DB5E1EFBC3B4@microsoft.com...
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have an uninterruptible power supply (UPS), but when there is a power
>> cut it doesn't always leave me enough time to shut down the computer
>> properly, even when Vista hasn't decided to update itself during the
>> shutdown sequence.
>>
>> UPSs come with software that's designed to take control automatically,
>> but as I can't afford to buy a new one for each new operating system, I
>> havn't looked to see if there is a model that shuts down Vista in a
>> reasonably short time.
>>
>> Does Vista have any kind of emergency shutdown facility, or is it
>> designed exclusively for Californians?
>>
>> Regards

>
>


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Old 10-22-2007
Richard Urban
 

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Re: Emergency shut down during power cut
You have to size the battery capacity of the UPS with the electrical load
you have applied to the UPS. I get a good 30 minutes of battery backup time
when there is a power failure. You either have an almost dead battery or
your UPS is under the capacity you really need.

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"Christopher R. Lee" <nobody@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:57044CCD-58D6-4C83-869C-DB5E1EFBC3B4@microsoft.com...
> Hello,
>
> I have an uninterruptible power supply (UPS), but when there is a power
> cut it doesn't always leave me enough time to shut down the computer
> properly, even when Vista hasn't decided to update itself during the
> shutdown sequence.
>
> UPSs come with software that's designed to take control automatically, but
> as I can't afford to buy a new one for each new operating system, I havn't
> looked to see if there is a model that shuts down Vista in a reasonably
> short time.
>
> Does Vista have any kind of emergency shutdown facility, or is it designed
> exclusively for Californians?
>
> Regards


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Old 10-22-2007
Rojo Habe
 

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Re: Emergency shut down during power cut

"Christopher R. Lee" <nobody@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:C26DD201-DC96-4B97-85E0-EE0828871220@microsoft.com...

>>> when there is a power cut it doesn't always leave me enough time to shut
>>> down the computer properly


How long is not enough time? Minutes or seconds?

The fastest shutdown sequence would probably be to hibernate. This dumps
the entire contents of memory to your hard drive and then switches off.
It's what laptops do when the battery dies. Go into Power Options in the
Control Panel, click "Choose what the power buttons do" and then set either
the power button or the sleep key (whichever comes to hand quickest in an
emergency) to Hibernate.

The reason I asked how long is that it isn't instant. It takes about forty
seconds on my system. If that's too long then obviously I haven't helped!

Sleep is quicker than Hibernate but don't be tempted by this as I believe it
doesn't power off completely.

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Old 10-22-2007
Christopher R. Lee
 

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Re: Emergency shut down during power cut

"Rojo Habe" <nosp@m.thx> a écrit dans le message de
news:A41748D1-5034-4D9A-9087-BF636712DFB5@microsoft.com...
>
> "Christopher R. Lee" <nobody@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:C26DD201-DC96-4B97-85E0-EE0828871220@microsoft.com...
>
>>>> when there is a power cut it doesn't always leave me enough time to
>>>> shut down the computer properly

>
> How long is not enough time? Minutes or seconds?


The UPS starts beeping as soon as the power is off, then it becomes more and
more inistent. As usual with these things there's no indication how much
time I really have.
>
> The fastest shutdown sequence would probably be to hibernate. This dumps
> the entire contents of memory to your hard drive and then switches off.
> It's what laptops do when the battery dies.


I should have thought of that; in a properly engineered system, a
non-portable PC would "know" it has a UPS, and also be able to detect a
mains power outage.

> Go into Power Options in the Control Panel, click "Choose what the power
> buttons do" and then set either the power button or the sleep key
> (whichever comes to hand quickest in an emergency) to Hibernate.


Thanks, I'll try that.

>
> The reason I asked how long is that it isn't instant. It takes about
> forty seconds on my system. If that's too long then obviously I haven't
> helped!


If it's that short, why don't PCs have a small battery built-in as in a
portable? At least, as far as I'm aware you can't buy a battery like that.
For this idea to work, M$ would have to think of another way of
automatically installing their updates. This should not be done at shut-down
time, since when a user tells a computer to switch off it should do just
that, within a specified time limit. A side effect of current practice
encourages is that users tend to leave equipment not totally shut down,
which raises economy and safety issues.

>
> Sleep is quicker than Hibernate but don't be tempted by this as I believe
> it doesn't power off completely.


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Old 10-22-2007
Richard Urban
 

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Re: Emergency shut down during power cut
A small battery, as that in a portable, would last a pitifully short amount
of time in a desktop. You see how heavy a UPS is.

90% of the weight is the battery that is large enough to be used for a
desktop.

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"Christopher R. Lee" <nobody@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news78D07E0-0803-4600-9C01-FA9D016F1EF0@microsoft.com...
>
> "Rojo Habe" <nosp@m.thx> a écrit dans le message de
> news:A41748D1-5034-4D9A-9087-BF636712DFB5@microsoft.com...
>>
>> "Christopher R. Lee" <nobody@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
>> news:C26DD201-DC96-4B97-85E0-EE0828871220@microsoft.com...
>>
>>>>> when there is a power cut it doesn't always leave me enough time to
>>>>> shut down the computer properly

>>
>> How long is not enough time? Minutes or seconds?

>
> The UPS starts beeping as soon as the power is off, then it becomes more
> and more inistent. As usual with these things there's no indication how
> much time I really have.
>>
>> The fastest shutdown sequence would probably be to hibernate. This dumps
>> the entire contents of memory to your hard drive and then switches off.
>> It's what laptops do when the battery dies.

>
> I should have thought of that; in a properly engineered system, a
> non-portable PC would "know" it has a UPS, and also be able to detect a
> mains power outage.
>
>> Go into Power Options in the Control Panel, click "Choose what the power
>> buttons do" and then set either the power button or the sleep key
>> (whichever comes to hand quickest in an emergency) to Hibernate.

>
> Thanks, I'll try that.
>
>>
>> The reason I asked how long is that it isn't instant. It takes about
>> forty seconds on my system. If that's too long then obviously I haven't
>> helped!

>
> If it's that short, why don't PCs have a small battery built-in as in a
> portable? At least, as far as I'm aware you can't buy a battery like that.
> For this idea to work, M$ would have to think of another way of
> automatically installing their updates. This should not be done at
> shut-down time, since when a user tells a computer to switch off it should
> do just that, within a specified time limit. A side effect of current
> practice encourages is that users tend to leave equipment not totally shut
> down, which raises economy and safety issues.
>
>>
>> Sleep is quicker than Hibernate but don't be tempted by this as I believe
>> it doesn't power off completely.

>


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