Make Vista Start Menu behave like XP

They did not destroy anything, they just changed it, now when you open it
there is a small black side arrow and the menu flip from the start to the
programs and back at will. Its easy.

--
Ian

"carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message
news:46a56619@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> Unfortunatly they destroyed the start menu along with thousands of other
> things in vista...
>
> they should have had an option to get the xp menu too.
>
> "Chris" <chris@NO_UCEwebboise.com> wrote in message
> news:Rt9pi.956$%m6.247@fe184.usenetserver.com...
>>I don't think you fully understand my original question...
>>
>> "I prefer the 2 column start menu in XP, with program groups expanding to
>> the right. I basically want the Vista start menu to work like the
>> default one in XP."
>>
>> See the following screenshots...
>>
>> XP, Fast, Quick to Navigate: http://www.webboise.com/images/xp.jpg
>> Vista, Slow, tedius: http://www.webboise.com/images/vista.jpg
>>
>> I just want the "All Programs" to expand in the way the 'classic' does,
>> while keeping my 2 column start menu (which I love... getting icons off
>> of the desktop)
>>
>> -Chris
>>
>> Ian wrote:
>>> Did you not learn in XP that you right click Start and chose properties
>>> to change to classic of XP. Same in Vista if you look. Why get annoyed?
>>>
>>>
>>> "Chris Hillman" <Chris Hillman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>> message news:B878AAC0-80A8-48D8-A061-2697F66194F9@microsoft.com...
>>>> Was just upgraded to Windows Vista Business Edition, and the final
>>>> annoyance
>>>> I have to resolve is to get the start menu to behave more like Windows
>>>> XP.
>>>>
>>>> I prefer the 2 column start menu in XP, with program groups expanding
>>>> to the
>>>> right. I basically want the Vista start menu to work like the default
>>>> one in
>>>> XP. I can't imagine it can be set to act like Windows 98/2K and not
>>>> XP. How
>>>> can I fix this?
>>>>
>>>> -Chris
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>

You have both and then some. Some folk don't search for innovation before
crying. You have XP and Vista features in the new start menu.

--
Ian

"carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message
news:46a56573@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> thats NOT how the XP menu was...
>
> The vista menu is crappy,
> the classic menu is crappy...
>
> We want the XP menu back!
>
>
> "housetrained" <housetrained@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ONJ6g9WzHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> right click taskbar - properties - start menu - classic
>>
>> --
>> John the West Ham fan
>> housetrained@hotmail.com
>> house.trained@virgin.net
>> <><
>> "Chris Hillman" <Chris Hillman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> message news:B878AAC0-80A8-48D8-A061-2697F66194F9@microsoft.com...
>>> Was just upgraded to Windows Vista Business Edition, and the final
>>> annoyance
>>> I have to resolve is to get the start menu to behave more like Windows
>>> XP.
>>>
>>> I prefer the 2 column start menu in XP, with program groups expanding to
>>> the
>>> right. I basically want the Vista start menu to work like the default
>>> one in
>>> XP. I can't imagine it can be set to act like Windows 98/2K and not XP.
>>> How
>>> can I fix this?
>>>
>>> -Chris
>>
>
>
>

Try looking further that your nose.

Its the same but more so.



--
Ian

"Chris Hillman" <chris@webboise.com> wrote in message
news:13ab3r55j60bgaf@corp.supernews.com...
> carl feredeck wrote:
>> thats NOT how the XP menu was...
>>
>> The vista menu is crappy,
>> the classic menu is crappy...
>>
>> We want the XP menu back!
>
> I agree with you 100%, and have seen a lot of people ask how to do it
> (found via google), but noone knows how. The new menu is terrible
> (IMNSHO) and the classic menu is worse. I can't believe they allow for a
> windows 9X/2K style and not XP. I think I'll log a case with Microsoft,
> the new menu is terrible and there is demand for the XP style menu. there
> has to be a registry tweak or something to make it happen.
>
> -Chris
>

Ian Betts wrote:
> Try looking further that your nose.
>
> Its the same but more so.

WTF does "the same but more so" mean?

I don't say this often. You, sir, are an idiot. If you can't see the
*huge* differences (as even illustrated by my screenshots) than you must
be blind.

Jesus, how many times are you going to post this question? If you like the
XP start menu so well why don't you just go back to XP?

I think the start menu in Vista is much better than Xp. It is also much
easier to use. Things change. Get used to it or quit posting.

Have a nice day.

C.B.

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 05:34:24 +0300, "carl feredeck"

>thats NOT how the XP menu was...
>
>The vista menu is crappy,
>the classic menu is crappy...
>
>We want the XP menu back!

That's something I never expected to hear ;-)

That Vista offers only Vista and Classic (dropping XP) seems to
acknowledge the failure of the XP UI to gain support.

Personally, I like Classic, but I can see the problem that both XP and
Vista revisions of the Start menu are attempting to fix. I didn't
like the XP attempt, but have accepted the Vista attempt.

The problem is "vendor vision" that applies when software populate the
Start Menu. What you may want is this...

Internet
Firefox
Internet Explorer
Eudora
Extras
Firefox Safe Mode
Eudora Help
Eudora Getting Started
ReadMe This

....but what you get is this:

Blah-Blah Software
Whatever Writer 2.0 Free Edition
Register
ReadMe
Run Whatever Writer 2.0 Free Edition
Uninstall

This may be in your per-user menu, All Users, or splatted across both.

You have to smell who wrote what you want to run (as if anyone other
than their marketers care), wade through an extra pointless fly-out,
and then (assuming the menu doesn't collapse because you wandered "off
the edge") your chances are:
- 1 in 4 you will run the app
- 1 in 4 you will destroy the app
- 2 in 4 you will waste your time

It's not as easy as it should be, to clean up this mess and organise
things by category, without bloated names and SCREAMING CAPITALS! from
pushy vendors (hello, CoralDRAW)..

If you do clean up the mess, you break the assumptions of the
software's uninstaller, so that uninstalling the app will leave these
shortcuts behind. Also, some piggy apps will re-assert their
shortcuts, especially when they "update" themselves.

Part of the reason for this mess is understandable; an app vendor
cannot anticipate your style of categorisation, and attempts to do so
can end up with this...

Internet
Internet Applications
Internet Programs
Online Applications
Using the Web

....which is not an improvement.

But the other reason is a "root law"; that "co-operative" systems
degenerate into competitive systems. There's no "trustable club" of
"approved players" who will not sink into a nadir of
self-gratification at your expense, as the Sony rootkit case shows.

The reason I prefer the Vista workaround (or walk-away) to the XP one,
is that Vista constrains menu flyouts so they are far easier to
navigate. But I still prefer to "editorialize" my own Start Menu, and
would like to see an approach that makes this easier for users to do,
as well as tracking of items so that uninstallers can clean up.



>--------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - -
To one who has never seen a hammer,
nothing looks like a nail
>--------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - -

"cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)" <cquirkenews@nospam.mvps.org>
wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 05:34:24 +0300, "carl feredeck"

>>We want the XP menu back!
>
> That's something I never expected to hear ;-)
>
> That Vista offers only Vista and Classic (dropping XP) seems to
> acknowledge the failure of the XP UI to gain support.
>
> Personally, I like Classic,

I have to agree, both my Vista install and my XP install are set up to
look exactly like Windows 2000 which I found to be more usable for me
than either the Vista or XP start menus.

As always, YMMV




--
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The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

Thanks for the well reasoned/thought out response. Was starting to
think this forum was only good for snippy responses.

I am starting to come to terms with the new vista start menu. I liked
keeping 'my computer', 'my docs', 'control panel' off of my (usually
cluttered) desktop.

It's hard to have the UI you've been using for the past 5 years forcibly
taken from you, while they preserve the Windows 95-2000 start menu.

All I know is that it is slower (for me now) to get to what I want
through the start menu than it was on XP, and I'll likely have to resort
to a 3rd party solution for the first time for launching apps.

Ugh.

:: Fingers crossed for this option to be in SP1 ::

cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 05:34:24 +0300, "carl feredeck"
>
>> thats NOT how the XP menu was...
>>
>> The vista menu is crappy,
>> the classic menu is crappy...
>>
>> We want the XP menu back!
>
> That's something I never expected to hear ;-)
>
> That Vista offers only Vista and Classic (dropping XP) seems to
> acknowledge the failure of the XP UI to gain support.
>
> Personally, I like Classic, but I can see the problem that both XP and
> Vista revisions of the Start menu are attempting to fix. I didn't
> like the XP attempt, but have accepted the Vista attempt.
>
> The problem is "vendor vision" that applies when software populate the
> Start Menu. What you may want is this...
>
> Internet
> Firefox
> Internet Explorer
> Eudora
> Extras
> Firefox Safe Mode
> Eudora Help
> Eudora Getting Started
> ReadMe This
>
> ...but what you get is this:
>
> Blah-Blah Software
> Whatever Writer 2.0 Free Edition
> Register
> ReadMe
> Run Whatever Writer 2.0 Free Edition
> Uninstall
>
> This may be in your per-user menu, All Users, or splatted across both.
>
> You have to smell who wrote what you want to run (as if anyone other
> than their marketers care), wade through an extra pointless fly-out,
> and then (assuming the menu doesn't collapse because you wandered "off
> the edge") your chances are:
> - 1 in 4 you will run the app
> - 1 in 4 you will destroy the app
> - 2 in 4 you will waste your time
>
> It's not as easy as it should be, to clean up this mess and organise
> things by category, without bloated names and SCREAMING CAPITALS! from
> pushy vendors (hello, CoralDRAW)..
>
> If you do clean up the mess, you break the assumptions of the
> software's uninstaller, so that uninstalling the app will leave these
> shortcuts behind. Also, some piggy apps will re-assert their
> shortcuts, especially when they "update" themselves.
>
> Part of the reason for this mess is understandable; an app vendor
> cannot anticipate your style of categorisation, and attempts to do so
> can end up with this...
>
> Internet
> Internet Applications
> Internet Programs
> Online Applications
> Using the Web
>
> ...which is not an improvement.
>
> But the other reason is a "root law"; that "co-operative" systems
> degenerate into competitive systems. There's no "trustable club" of
> "approved players" who will not sink into a nadir of
> self-gratification at your expense, as the Sony rootkit case shows.
>
> The reason I prefer the Vista workaround (or walk-away) to the XP one,
> is that Vista constrains menu flyouts so they are far easier to
> navigate. But I still prefer to "editorialize" my own Start Menu, and
> would like to see an approach that makes this easier for users to do,
> as well as tracking of items so that uninstallers can clean up.
>
>
>
>> --------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - -
> To one who has never seen a hammer,
> nothing looks like a nail
>> --------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - -

Hmm no, it actually sucks.

The point seems to be that you now can open more than one folder in the
Programs menu. I woudn't mind so much if all folders in the Programs menu
would fit in that tiny little space, but it doesn't, so you need to be
rolling up and down to find what you're looking for. So this is a
time-consuming, useless new feature.

To make things more stupid, "Classic view" sends you back to the stone age
of Windows 95, entirely ignoring the solution was just on version ago:
Windows XP had the ultimate Start Menu power.

If anyone gets mod of this on the net, post here! This Vista start menu is
painfully stupid!

"Ian Betts" wrote:

> They did not destroy anything, they just changed it, now when you open it
> there is a small black side arrow and the menu flip from the start to the
> programs and back at will. Its easy.
>
> --
> Ian
>
> "carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message
> news:46a56619@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> > Unfortunatly they destroyed the start menu along with thousands of other
> > things in vista...
> >
> > they should have had an option to get the xp menu too.
> >
> > "Chris" <chris@NO_UCEwebboise.com> wrote in message
> > news:Rt9pi.956$%m6.247@fe184.usenetserver.com...
> >>I don't think you fully understand my original question...
> >>
> >> "I prefer the 2 column start menu in XP, with program groups expanding to
> >> the right. I basically want the Vista start menu to work like the
> >> default one in XP."
> >>
> >> See the following screenshots...
> >>
> >> XP, Fast, Quick to Navigate: http://www.webboise.com/images/xp.jpg
> >> Vista, Slow, tedius: http://www.webboise.com/images/vista.jpg
> >>
> >> I just want the "All Programs" to expand in the way the 'classic' does,
> >> while keeping my 2 column start menu (which I love... getting icons off
> >> of the desktop)
> >>
> >> -Chris
> >>
> >> Ian wrote:
> >>> Did you not learn in XP that you right click Start and chose properties
> >>> to change to classic of XP. Same in Vista if you look. Why get annoyed?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Chris Hillman" <Chris Hillman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> >>> message news:B878AAC0-80A8-48D8-A061-2697F66194F9@microsoft.com...
> >>>> Was just upgraded to Windows Vista Business Edition, and the final
> >>>> annoyance
> >>>> I have to resolve is to get the start menu to behave more like Windows
> >>>> XP.
> >>>>
> >>>> I prefer the 2 column start menu in XP, with program groups expanding
> >>>> to the
> >>>> right. I basically want the Vista start menu to work like the default
> >>>> one in
> >>>> XP. I can't imagine it can be set to act like Windows 98/2K and not
> >>>> XP. How
> >>>> can I fix this?
> >>>>
> >>>> -Chris
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >

Right click Orb, select properties, select classic view, make sure scroll is
checked/unchecked per your preference.

Aloha,
BobC

"Rafael Lopez" <Rafael Lopez@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1E1E58F2-52E2-4A20-AADB-F48070B86904@microsoft.com...
> Hmm no, it actually sucks.
>
> The point seems to be that you now can open more than one folder in the
> Programs menu. I woudn't mind so much if all folders in the Programs menu
> would fit in that tiny little space, but it doesn't, so you need to be
> rolling up and down to find what you're looking for. So this is a
> time-consuming, useless new feature.
>
> To make things more stupid, "Classic view" sends you back to the stone age
> of Windows 95, entirely ignoring the solution was just on version ago:
> Windows XP had the ultimate Start Menu power.
>
> If anyone gets mod of this on the net, post here! This Vista start menu is
> painfully stupid!
>
> "Ian Betts" wrote:
>
>> They did not destroy anything, they just changed it, now when you open it
>> there is a small black side arrow and the menu flip from the start to the
>> programs and back at will. Its easy.
>>
>> --
>> Ian
>>
>> "carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:46a56619@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>> > Unfortunatly they destroyed the start menu along with thousands of
>> > other
>> > things in vista...
>> >
>> > they should have had an option to get the xp menu too.
>> >
>> > "Chris" <chris@NO_UCEwebboise.com> wrote in message
>> > news:Rt9pi.956$%m6.247@fe184.usenetserver.com...
>> >>I don't think you fully understand my original question...
>> >>
>> >> "I prefer the 2 column start menu in XP, with program groups expanding
>> >> to
>> >> the right. I basically want the Vista start menu to work like the
>> >> default one in XP."
>> >>
>> >> See the following screenshots...
>> >>
>> >> XP, Fast, Quick to Navigate: http://www.webboise.com/images/xp.jpg
>> >> Vista, Slow, tedius: http://www.webboise.com/images/vista.jpg
>> >>
>> >> I just want the "All Programs" to expand in the way the 'classic'
>> >> does,
>> >> while keeping my 2 column start menu (which I love... getting icons
>> >> off
>> >> of the desktop)
>> >>
>> >> -Chris
>> >>
>> >> Ian wrote:
>> >>> Did you not learn in XP that you right click Start and chose
>> >>> properties
>> >>> to change to classic of XP. Same in Vista if you look. Why get
>> >>> annoyed?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> "Chris Hillman" <Chris Hillman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> >>> message news:B878AAC0-80A8-48D8-A061-2697F66194F9@microsoft.com...
>> >>>> Was just upgraded to Windows Vista Business Edition, and the final
>> >>>> annoyance
>> >>>> I have to resolve is to get the start menu to behave more like
>> >>>> Windows
>> >>>> XP.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I prefer the 2 column start menu in XP, with program groups
>> >>>> expanding
>> >>>> to the
>> >>>> right. I basically want the Vista start menu to work like the
>> >>>> default
>> >>>> one in
>> >>>> XP. I can't imagine it can be set to act like Windows 98/2K and not
>> >>>> XP. How
>> >>>> can I fix this?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -Chris
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >