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Old 07-09-2007
hash
 

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Registry Cleaner
Hello

There are quite a few Registry Cleaners for windows. Which one is ideal for
the vista ultimate ?

Are there any good freeware cleaners ? If not, which one is good to
purchase ? Thank you.

Regards
hash

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Old 07-09-2007
Tim
 

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Re: Registry Cleaner
The general consensus here is that registry cleaners create more problems
than they claim to solve. Personally, I stay away from them...free or
otherwise.

Tim

"hash" <jblog@spam.com> wrote in message
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> Hello
>
> There are quite a few Registry Cleaners for windows. Which one is ideal
> for the vista ultimate ?
>
> Are there any good freeware cleaners ? If not, which one is good to
> purchase ? Thank you.
>
> Regards
> hash


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Old 07-10-2007
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Re: Registry Cleaner

"hash" <jblog@spam.com> wrote in message
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> Hello
>
> There are quite a few Registry Cleaners for windows. Which one is ideal
> for the vista ultimate ?
>
> Are there any good freeware cleaners ? If not, which one is good to
> purchase ? Thank you.
>
> Regards
> hash


Hello Hash

I do not let any registry cleaner etc on my one and only computer.
If I get a problem then I fix it - if it aint broke don't fix it - and that
includes my registry.
If a computer owner, like me, has only basic user skills, and does not know
what goes on in the Registry, then the last thing they should use is a tool
to do it.
The problem with me(and thousands of others) of limited techno ability, is
that I have no idea what goes on in registry.
Until I am able to learn the hidden secrets in there I do not enter unless
held by the hand by somebody far more capable.
More damage can be caused than good done - it has been widely posted that
such a prog. gives a user no particular benefit.
Whether or not one gains any significant performance is questionable - I
have read more posts/articles to say that performing a registry clean does
not enhance performance to any degree.
In every thread I have read in newsgroups in the last 2
years or more, the advice has come down against these Reg Cleaners. What
your opinion is of MVP's, I do not know, but I have come to know the ones I
can trust - and most caution against their usage.
I have no problem with those who recommend/support or whatever the use of
these cleaners.
I just wish they would point out the other side of the coin to those who may
not have a clue what they are doing.
I sometimes wonder if they ever consider the capabilities of the poster to
whom they reply.
When I had my rush of blood to the head I had not heard of 'backup' and
there was no such thing as System Restore.

Antioch


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Old 07-10-2007
hash
 

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Re: Registry Cleaner
point taken

hash


"antioch" <antioch@home.com> wrote in message
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>
> "hash" <jblog@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:F68D8826-F2A0-4289-A972-4A94ED937056@microsoft.com...
>> Hello
>>
>> There are quite a few Registry Cleaners for windows. Which one is ideal
>> for the vista ultimate ?
>>
>> Are there any good freeware cleaners ? If not, which one is good to
>> purchase ? Thank you.
>>
>> Regards
>> hash

>
> Hello Hash
>
> I do not let any registry cleaner etc on my one and only computer.
> If I get a problem then I fix it - if it aint broke don't fix it - and
> that
> includes my registry.
> If a computer owner, like me, has only basic user skills, and does not
> know
> what goes on in the Registry, then the last thing they should use is a
> tool
> to do it.
> The problem with me(and thousands of others) of limited techno ability, is
> that I have no idea what goes on in registry.
> Until I am able to learn the hidden secrets in there I do not enter unless
> held by the hand by somebody far more capable.
> More damage can be caused than good done - it has been widely posted that
> such a prog. gives a user no particular benefit.
> Whether or not one gains any significant performance is questionable - I
> have read more posts/articles to say that performing a registry clean does
> not enhance performance to any degree.
> In every thread I have read in newsgroups in the last 2
> years or more, the advice has come down against these Reg Cleaners. What
> your opinion is of MVP's, I do not know, but I have come to know the ones
> I
> can trust - and most caution against their usage.
> I have no problem with those who recommend/support or whatever the use of
> these cleaners.
> I just wish they would point out the other side of the coin to those who
> may
> not have a clue what they are doing.
> I sometimes wonder if they ever consider the capabilities of the poster to
> whom they reply.
> When I had my rush of blood to the head I had not heard of 'backup' and
> there was no such thing as System Restore.
>
> Antioch
>
>


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Old 07-10-2007
Adam Albright
 

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Re: Registry Cleaner
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:43:30 -0600, "Tim" <tim_at_overthere.com> wrote:

>The general consensus here is that registry cleaners create more problems
>than they claim to solve. Personally, I stay away from them...free or
>otherwise.


Oh please... a few guys blubbering their narrow opinions does not a
consensus make.

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Andrew McLaren
 

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Re: Registry Cleaner
"hash" <jblog@spam.com> wrote in message
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> There are quite a few Registry Cleaners for windows. Which one is ideal
> for the vista ultimate ?



In my experience, none of the available registry cleaners are reliable.
Don't use any of them.

The performance improvements that come from "cleaning" the registry are
marginal to insignficant. And the chances of permanently damaging your
applications and Windows itself are quite high.

Microsoft released a Registry cleaner back in the 1990s (I think it was just
called RegClean.exe). It was free and worked as well as any 3rd party
product. But Microsoft had to pull it from their download website, after a
few years, because it was just too risky. But it's still out there on some
download sites.

It is well recognised both inside and outside Microsoft, that the Registry
has become an unwieldy morass of data. But trying to intelligently clean it
is a very complex task, with a myriad of "special cases" and
application-specific knowldege required. And as I mentioned, the performance
benefits are usually very marginal, especially on cuurent hardware - it was
the sort of optimisation that might have mattered back on Pentium machines
with 32MB of RAM. Unfortunately it kind of stuck in the public consciousness
as a way to "speed up Windows", long after it ceased to be a significant
performance factor.

If your Registry is seriously overbloated to the extent it is affecting
performance, the best thing to do is to back up your user data, reformat
your hard disk, make a clean installation of Windows and your applications,
then restore your user data.

The only Registy utility I found which makes any significant difference to
performance (and only just very, very, slightly significant!) is Page Defrag
from SysInternals:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sys...agedefrag.mspx
Note that this is only availabe for 32-bit Windows, it won't run on 64 bit.
And it is not officially supported on Vista (although it does seem to run
okay).

No 32 bit Registry utility from any vendor can work on 64 bit Windows. To
access a 64 bit registry, you need a pure 64 bit application.

Windows Live OneCare has released a Beta of a system checker which amongst
other things, purports to check and clean the Registry:
http://onecare.live.com/site/en-gb/center/whatsnew.htm
However (a) this is a Beta and (b) the jury is still out, on whther this
does any good at all - or just trashes your machine. Be very careful ...

Hope this helps,
--
Andrew McLaren
amclar (at) optusnet dot com dot au


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Old 07-10-2007
Ken Blake, MVP
 

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Re: Registry Cleaner
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 23:36:27 +0100, "hash" <jblog@spam.com> wrote:


> There are quite a few Registry Cleaners for windows. Which one is ideal for
> the vista ultimate ?



None at all. The best registry cleaner is no registry cleaner.

I strongly recommend *against* the use of registry cleaners. Cleaning
of the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry
alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people
think, and what vendors of registry cleaning software try to
convince you of, having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt
you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
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Old 07-10-2007
Adam Albright
 

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Re: Registry Cleaner
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:20:11 +1000, "Andrew McLaren"
<andrew@fakeaddress.com> wrote:

>"hash" <jblog@spam.com> wrote in message
>news:F68D8826-F2A0-4289-A972-4A94ED937056@microsoft.com...
>> There are quite a few Registry Cleaners for windows. Which one is ideal
>> for the vista ultimate ?

>
>
>In my experience, none of the available registry cleaners are reliable.
>Don't use any of them.
>
>The performance improvements that come from "cleaning" the registry are
>marginal to insignficant. And the chances of permanently damaging your
>applications and Windows itself are quite high.


More opinions. Got any documentation to back them up with? No? I
didn't think so.

>If your Registry is seriously overbloated to the extent it is affecting
>performance, the best thing to do is to back up your user data, reformat
>your hard disk, make a clean installation of Windows and your applications,
>then restore your user data.


How funny. You first claim Registry Cleaners don't work, say leaving a
bloated Registry presents no problems, then you admit oh, if things
get too bad, just reformat and start from scratch. Talk about having
it both ways.

ROTFLMAO!

Suggestion: You anti Registry Cleaner guys should reread some of what
you wrote. Honest. Very funny material. The point here is nobody cares
if YOU don't use a Registry Cleaner yourselves but to blindly say
"don't use them" without giving any valid DOCUMENTED reasons why not
is a disservice to people looking for a simple, effective and
generally safe process. Can something go wrong? Sure, you can also get
run over by a bus when crossing a street, get struck by lightening.

The one thing I've learned in visiting newsgroups like this for
decades is 90% of the regular posters don't have a clue. Not a damn
clue at all, but they will defend to their last breath their right to
claim otherwise. Amusing.

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Old 07-10-2007
Bruce Chambers
 

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Re: Registry Cleaner
hash wrote:
> Hello
>
> There are quite a few Registry Cleaners for windows. Which one is ideal
> for the vista ultimate ?
>
> Are there any good freeware cleaners ? If not, which one is good to
> purchase ? Thank you.
>
> Regards
> hash



<Sigh!> Here we go again!

Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What
specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's
bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by
using a registry cleaner?

If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would
be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the
specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After
all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally,
the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely
to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make
multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean
your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
each and every change.

Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
no matter how safe they claim to be.

More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an
automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced
computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been
no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such
products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance
or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk.

Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and
every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there.
And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any
good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no
real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo
effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the
non-existent benefits.

I will concede that a good registry scanning tool, in the hands of
an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful
time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any
changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use.
Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe
in the hands of the inexperienced user.


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Old 07-10-2007
Alias
 

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Re: Registry Cleaner
Bruce Chambers wrote:
> hash wrote:
>> Hello
>>
>> There are quite a few Registry Cleaners for windows. Which one is
>> ideal for the vista ultimate ?
>>
>> Are there any good freeware cleaners ? If not, which one is good to
>> purchase ? Thank you.
>>
>> Regards
>> hash

>
>
> <Sigh!> Here we go again!
>
> Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What
> specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's
> bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by
> using a registry cleaner?
>
> If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be
> far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the
> specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After
> all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally,
> the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely
> to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make
> multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean
> your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.
>
> The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
> the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
> device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
> registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
> loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
> confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
> each and every change.
>
> Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
> automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
> experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
> Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
> of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
> maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
> experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
> no matter how safe they claim to be.
>
> More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an
> automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced
> computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been
> no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such
> products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance
> or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk.
>
> Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and
> every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there.
> And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any
> good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no
> real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo
> effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the
> non-existent benefits.
>
> I will concede that a good registry scanning tool, in the hands of
> an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful
> time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any
> changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
> registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use.
> Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe
> in the hands of the inexperienced user.
>
>


You're so full of sh¡t, I can smell it all the way over here in Spain. I
have used Crap Cleaner's Issues feature on all three of my computers
with only positive results. A friend, who repairs computers for a
living, has used it on hundreds of computers with only positive results.
The same is true for SystemSuite, which you have admitted you've never
used yet call it "snake oil" in your usual sneering and supercilious way.

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