"Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
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>> If Books Were Licensed
>> Like Vista
>>
>> a.. Only bookcase makers or distributors may purchase the OEM version of
>> the book. The book must then be sold with a bookcase. (Vista OEM)
>
> A book case is not even a valid analogy. OEM versions require new
> hardware upon which the OS is intended to be used, not stored. So instead
> of a book case, OEM versions of book must be sold with eyes and a brain -
> whomever wrote this comparison should consider buying an OEM book.
I don't want to have to buy bookcases with my books. discounted or not, and
I don't want to have to buy books with my bookcase.
The analogy has to be something that you can buy or lease. You cannot buy
or lease eyes or brains. But if you know of a source of a new brain, I'm all
ears, but I would hate to lose all of those fond memories, knowledge and
wisdom it has taken me these many years to acquire.
You don't like that analogy? OK. How about this:
a.. Only eyeglass makers or distributors may purchase the OEM version of
the book. The book must then be sold with a pair of eyeglasses. (Vista OEM)
The eyeglasses are 'intended to be used' with the book.
>> a.. If the book is faulty, you need help reading the book or for returns,
>> do not contact us, the publishing house. You must contact the store where
>> you purchased your bookcase. (Vista OEM)
>
> The company that sold you your eyes and brain gave included a heavily
> discounted copy of book. In order to get that heavy discount - which, by
> the way, the makers of your eyes and brain passed on to you at no
> additional charge - they agreed to support the book because, afterall,
> they sold you the eyes and brain required to use the book. If your eyes
> and brain are not capable of reading the book, what good is it going to do
> to call the publisher?
If the book is faulty it should be replaced or fixed. Whether it goes back
to the store or the publisher, the publisher was at fault and should
therefore incur the costs of a replacement / fix. The Vista OEM book puts
the burden for 'fixing' the book squarely on the stores without allowing
those stores to be reimbursed.
In addition, since the publisher can contact the expert, the author who
actually wrote the book., they can provide the best and only real support.
>> a.. The original owner of the book may give away or sell the book, but
>> only with the bookcase you used to store the book. (Vista OEM, and
>> Anytime Upgrade)
>
> Nah, you can keep your disk cabinet. Include the PC that the qualified
> you for the OS. Or, since youre no longer keeping with the agreement that
> enabled the deeply discounted OS, pay the difference between OEM and full
> retail.
>
> Or, in the case of the book, keep the book case, but give the user your
> eyes and brain. or buy the full version of the book that allows you to do
> what you want with it.
You aren't really buying the OEM version of the book then, you are merely
leasing it with the bookcase. If you bought it, you would have the
ownership rights to transfer it to your new PC and give or sell your old PC
without it.
>> a.. If the original owner of the book's bookcase falls apart, you must
>> buy a new book unless the original owner purchases a bookcase of the same
>> make and model.(Vista OEM).
>
> Not so. You can get a heart transplant, a new kidney, and even new
> breasts, but if you get new eyes and a new brain, how can the person who
> sold you those eyes and brain be expected to support your book on someone
> elses eyes and brain?
Then lets call it what it really is - a contractual lease agreement between
you and the publisher. You don't really own the book. The book is leased
to you only as long as your bookcase is still standing and can hold it, not
a perfect analogy though since bookcases last a lot longer than motherboards
or PC's.
>> a.. The original owner may sell the book, but the person buying the book
>> cannot sell it. If he does sell or give the book away, the pages will
>> immediately become fused together effectively prohibiting the new owner
>> from the joy of reading.
>
> They're being very kind to transfer the eyes and brain once. That kind of
> surgury costs money. Keeping up with where that eyes and brain are at
> costs money. If you want to sell the book while including all rights that
> you bought in the first place, then buy the full version of the book - the
> one that you have to use with the eyes and brain you already had - may not
> apply to whomever wrote this comparison.
Why should it cost the publisher money when the owner transfers the book?
Why should anyone care where the book is? I don't want RFID devices in my
book so it can be tracked for 'authentification' purposes either.
And exactly what are ownership rights if I buy the book from someone and it
can't be sold again. What do I really 'own' if it can't be sold?
>> a.. You may allow someone help you to read the book (Vista All features
>> Versions - Remote Assistance), but you can only allow someone to read the
>> book over your shoulder or with you if you have the hard back edition
>> (Vista Business and Ultimate - Remote Desktop).
>
> The hardbound book does come with a over-the-shoulder reader. The
> paper-back version doesn't. You want the over-the-shoulder reader - buy
> the hardbound. Makes perfect sense to me.
I expect the paperback edition to include the same exact words as the hard
back edition. If I want a different story, I will buy another book and
expect all of the chapters to be there and to be able to read them.
>> a.. You can't read the licensed book and any other book at the same time
>> (Vista Home Basic and Premium - Virtualization Technology), but you may
>> if you own the hard back edition (Vista Business and Ultimate -
>> Virtualization Technology)
>
> The hardbound book also may come with glossy pictures and a slick cover.
> The paper-back includes neither. The paper-back sells for much less - you
> get much less. This kind of reminds me of TV. The 129 dollar tv I buy at
> Walmart does not include picture-in-picture. The 400 dollar one does
> include picture-in-picture. Again, makes perfect sense.
That doesn't address the issue. I should be able to put more than one book
on my shelf, whether it is paperback or hardback, or whether the book cost
$1.99 or $49.95. With Vista, you can only put more than one book in your
bookcase if you own the hard back book.
>> a.. If you have the paper back version, you may upgrade to the hard back
>> edition, but you must destroy the original paperback (Vista Anytime
>> Upgrade and Upgrade).
>
> If you buy the paper-back version, and we give you a discount to buy the
> hard-back version on the condition then, yes, we expect you to destroy the
> paper-back version. You're free to keep both versions if you pay the full
> price for both.
You mean I have to 'trade in' my book for the hard back edition. Well, that
actually makes some sense, but I would expect the hard back edition to have
the same number of chapters in it and that isn't what the upgrade programs
are all about.
>> a.. The book has chapters 6, 9, 10 and 12, but you can't read them (Vista
>> Home Basic)*.
>
> No, all the chapters are there, you just bought the Readers' Digest
> condensed version. It is missing some of the fluff.
If I want to read 'more chapters' I expect to and should have to buy a new
book where they actually physically exist.
But you can read all of the chapters of a Reader's Digest book. OK, let's
use your example.
The Readers Digest book has chapters 6, 9, 10 and 12, but you can't read
them (Vista Home Basic)*.
>> a.. The book has chapters 6 and 12, but you can't read them (Vista Home
>> Premium)*.
>>
>
> See above.
The Readers Digest book has chapters 6 and 12, but you can't read them
(Vista Home Premium)*.
>> a.. The book has chapters 7 and 11, but you can't read them (Vista
>> Business)*.
The Readers Digest book has chapters 7 and 11, but you can't read them
(Vista Business)*.
> See above the above.
>
>> * For a nominal fee to the publisher, you may read these chapters
>
> Wow. They're going to let you upgrade your Readers Condensed version to
> the full hard-back book? That's amazing. Microsoft Press is such a
> wonderful company.
Yeah, lucky me. I can get those missing chapters by giving the publisher
more money. Wow! Oh and by the way, when I get those missing chapters,
because I did it through a 'special transaction' I now HAVE to sell my book
with the bookcase, even if I didn't have to do that before the 'upgrade'!
Dale, thank you for your thoughtful reply. I am always appreciative of a
different point of view. You are missing the whole point of my analogy
though. The keyword is if. '*IF* Books Were Licensed Like Vista' what
would my books and bookshelves look like?
Just what exactly what would book ownership be like if they used the
Microsoft licensing model?
I fear that posting this conversation online may give publishers a new
business model to consider, one that I wouldn't like very much at all. ;-)
Alan Norton
Note to group:
I apologive for that repetitvive a.. thing. I had cut and pasted that
directly from my webpage using IE 7.0.5600.16384. When the cut and paste
was made, it added a carriage return between each list item. The original
HTML included the <br> tag at the end of each list item.
I have done some testing and found that if you remove the <br> tag, you get
no letters at all. With the <br> tags there, you can however cut and paste
the list, manually remove the carriage returns and end up with a nicely
lettered list. Pretty neat except for the manual part. Using this method
will letter each list item a., b. c. etc.
>> Gratuitous plug here:
>>
>> Help choosing the right Vista version:
>> The Four Questions You Need to Ask Before Buying.
>> Twelve Questions That Will Help You To Decide Which Version Is Right For
>> You.
>>
>> http://www.mindspring.com/~anorton1/...Confusion.html
>>
>> Alan Norton - 'Pecos'
>>
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