Wow...don't mean to sound like I'm Trolling, but...

All these problems are similar to what gets posted when a new version of
Linux gets released...USB doesn't work, can't access files, etc, etc...

Trouble is, you don't pay through the nose for a new release of Linux!
When you consider what MS wants for a copy of Vista, and how much testing
it went through, you'd figure they'd have gotten it right before
unleashing it to the public.

I had to buy a copy of XP Pro for something I was doing at work, I think
I'll stick to it until the next MS OS comes out. Seems every other one is
worthy...

I'm not saying Linux is any better, by a long shot. If you're used to MS
products and all they can do, Linux may not be for you! But, you can also
get it for the 'price' of a Saturday afternoon of downloading. I expect
more from MicroSoft!

Releasing to the public with possibly millions of different hardware and
software configurations that would be impossible to test inhouse, or
even with the beta's?

If XP works for you, keep it. Vista is nice, but if you don't need the
upgrade, hold off. Sure, it's got bugs, but Linux does, too. Patches are
released somewhat steadily from both sides.

Dustin Harper
dharper@vistarip.com
http://www.vistarip.com



Vash The Stampede wrote:
> All these problems are similar to what gets posted when a new version of
> Linux gets released...USB doesn't work, can't access files, etc, etc...
>
> Trouble is, you don't pay through the nose for a new release of Linux!
> When you consider what MS wants for a copy of Vista, and how much testing
> it went through, you'd figure they'd have gotten it right before
> unleashing it to the public.
>
> I had to buy a copy of XP Pro for something I was doing at work, I think
> I'll stick to it until the next MS OS comes out. Seems every other one is
> worthy...
>
> I'm not saying Linux is any better, by a long shot. If you're used to MS
> products and all they can do, Linux may not be for you! But, you can also
> get it for the 'price' of a Saturday afternoon of downloading. I expect
> more from MicroSoft!
>
>

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:04:23 -0800, Dustin Harper wrote:

> Releasing to the public with possibly millions of different hardware and
> software configurations that would be impossible to test inhouse, or even
> with the beta's?
>
> If XP works for you, keep it. Vista is nice, but if you don't need the
> upgrade, hold off. Sure, it's got bugs, but Linux does, too. Patches are
> released somewhat steadily from both sides.
>
> Dustin Harper
> dharper@vistarip.com
> http://www.vistarip.com

I have an installed copy of RC1. The only real complaint I have is that it
doesn't like my DSL router. I have to put the machine to 'sleep' and then
wake it up to connect. No amount of fussing with the NIC or Nework setup
solved this problem.

That, and the amount of resorces it uses. 1G of memory for an OS?!?!?
Of course, with the RC1 package, you got Ultimate, with Media Center,
Aero, etc. Except for the network problem, it does work well.

I just bought my copy of XP 6 months ago...I'll wait!


>
>
>
> Vash The Stampede wrote:
>> All these problems are similar to what gets posted when a new version of
>> Linux gets released...USB doesn't work, can't access files, etc, etc...
>>
>> Trouble is, you don't pay through the nose for a new release of Linux!
>> When you consider what MS wants for a copy of Vista, and how much
>> testing it went through, you'd figure they'd have gotten it right before
>> unleashing it to the public.
>>
>> I had to buy a copy of XP Pro for something I was doing at work, I think
>> I'll stick to it until the next MS OS comes out. Seems every other one
>> is worthy...
>>
>> I'm not saying Linux is any better, by a long shot. If you're used to MS
>> products and all they can do, Linux may not be for you! But, you can
>> also get it for the 'price' of a Saturday afternoon of downloading. I
>> expect more from MicroSoft!
>>
>>

Of course a big difference is that there are hundreds of thousands if not
millions out there upgrading all at once today, and the average Linux user
has to be more technically savvy than the average windows user and so I
believe is more likely to be able to solve his own problem.

"Vash The Stampede" <Trigun@2AM.cn> wrote in message
news:sHLvh.3540$li4.998@trndny08...
> All these problems are similar to what gets posted when a new version of
> Linux gets released...USB doesn't work, can't access files, etc, etc...
>
> Trouble is, you don't pay through the nose for a new release of Linux!
> When you consider what MS wants for a copy of Vista, and how much testing
> it went through, you'd figure they'd have gotten it right before
> unleashing it to the public.
>
> I had to buy a copy of XP Pro for something I was doing at work, I think
> I'll stick to it until the next MS OS comes out. Seems every other one is
> worthy...
>
> I'm not saying Linux is any better, by a long shot. If you're used to MS
> products and all they can do, Linux may not be for you! But, you can also
> get it for the 'price' of a Saturday afternoon of downloading. I expect
> more from MicroSoft!
>
>

Upgrade to 2GB of RAM and you'll notice it's gone too. Vista caches core
parts of the OS to speed it up. If an application needs the memory,
Vista will take other parts of out the RAM cache to give to the app. It
only NEEDS 512MB, approx to run.

Dustin Harper
dharper@vistarip.com
http://www.vistarip.com



Vash The Stampede wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:04:23 -0800, Dustin Harper wrote:
>
>> Releasing to the public with possibly millions of different hardware and
>> software configurations that would be impossible to test inhouse, or even
>> with the beta's?
>>
>> If XP works for you, keep it. Vista is nice, but if you don't need the
>> upgrade, hold off. Sure, it's got bugs, but Linux does, too. Patches are
>> released somewhat steadily from both sides.
>>
>> Dustin Harper
>> dharper@vistarip.com
>> http://www.vistarip.com
>
> I have an installed copy of RC1. The only real complaint I have is that it
> doesn't like my DSL router. I have to put the machine to 'sleep' and then
> wake it up to connect. No amount of fussing with the NIC or Nework setup
> solved this problem.
>
> That, and the amount of resorces it uses. 1G of memory for an OS?!?!?
> Of course, with the RC1 package, you got Ultimate, with Media Center,
> Aero, etc. Except for the network problem, it does work well.
>
> I just bought my copy of XP 6 months ago...I'll wait!
>
>
>>
>>
>> Vash The Stampede wrote:
>>> All these problems are similar to what gets posted when a new version of
>>> Linux gets released...USB doesn't work, can't access files, etc, etc...
>>>
>>> Trouble is, you don't pay through the nose for a new release of Linux!
>>> When you consider what MS wants for a copy of Vista, and how much
>>> testing it went through, you'd figure they'd have gotten it right before
>>> unleashing it to the public.
>>>
>>> I had to buy a copy of XP Pro for something I was doing at work, I think
>>> I'll stick to it until the next MS OS comes out. Seems every other one
>>> is worthy...
>>>
>>> I'm not saying Linux is any better, by a long shot. If you're used to MS
>>> products and all they can do, Linux may not be for you! But, you can
>>> also get it for the 'price' of a Saturday afternoon of downloading. I
>>> expect more from MicroSoft!
>>>
>>>
>

I commonly see 60% of my 2GB in use without doing any heavy lifting. Better
the ram than the paging file!

"Dustin Harper" <dharper@vistarip.com> wrote in message
news:45BF921E.9020407@vistarip.com...
> Upgrade to 2GB of RAM and you'll notice it's gone too. Vista caches core
> parts of the OS to speed it up. If an application needs the memory, Vista
> will take other parts of out the RAM cache to give to the app. It only
> NEEDS 512MB, approx to run.
>
> Dustin Harper
> dharper@vistarip.com
> http://www.vistarip.com
>
>
>
>

Linux its free because we can't get anyone to buy it.

"Vash The Stampede" <Trigun@2AM.cn> wrote in message
news:sHLvh.3540$li4.998@trndny08...
> All these problems are similar to what gets posted when a new version of
> Linux gets released...USB doesn't work, can't access files, etc, etc...
>
> Trouble is, you don't pay through the nose for a new release of Linux!
> When you consider what MS wants for a copy of Vista, and how much testing
> it went through, you'd figure they'd have gotten it right before
> unleashing it to the public.
>
> I had to buy a copy of XP Pro for something I was doing at work, I think
> I'll stick to it until the next MS OS comes out. Seems every other one is
> worthy...
>
> I'm not saying Linux is any better, by a long shot. If you're used to MS
> products and all they can do, Linux may not be for you! But, you can also
> get it for the 'price' of a Saturday afternoon of downloading. I expect
> more from MicroSoft!
>
>

Now that is just not sound marketing! :P

Ever notice that you can sell something for a couple of bucks that no one
will take for free? When I worked in a computer store we got in a game
called "Libyans in Space" that was so awful that the distributor refunded
them for us without even taking the software back. We tried to give them
away and just got suspicious stares from the customers. So we priced them
at a quarter. Both sold immediately.

"Gary" <Gary@somewhere.usa> wrote in message
news:uQnX3ZKRHHA.1200@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Linux its free because we can't get anyone to buy it.
>
> "Vash The Stampede" <Trigun@2AM.cn> wrote in message
> news:sHLvh.3540$li4.998@trndny08...
>> All these problems are similar to what gets posted when a new version of
>> Linux gets released...USB doesn't work, can't access files, etc, etc...
>>
>> Trouble is, you don't pay through the nose for a new release of Linux!
>> When you consider what MS wants for a copy of Vista, and how much testing
>> it went through, you'd figure they'd have gotten it right before
>> unleashing it to the public.
>>
>> I had to buy a copy of XP Pro for something I was doing at work, I think
>> I'll stick to it until the next MS OS comes out. Seems every other one is
>> worthy...
>>
>> I'm not saying Linux is any better, by a long shot. If you're used to MS
>> products and all they can do, Linux may not be for you! But, you can also
>> get it for the 'price' of a Saturday afternoon of downloading. I expect
>> more from MicroSoft!
>>
>>
>
>

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:29:11 -0600, LaRoux wrote:

> Of course a big difference is that there are hundreds of thousands if not
> millions out there upgrading all at once today, and the average Linux user
> has to be more technically savvy than the average windows user and so I
> believe is more likely to be able to solve his own problem.

LOL! I've been "solving my own problems" since DOS 3.1!
As a matter of fact, I got SO good at solving my own problems, I got lots
of jobs doing it!

Unfortunately, since I live in the US and not Bangalore, India, there
aren't very many Helpdesk jobs anymore...

Linux was just another challenge in a long line of challenges. Thing is,
after 3 years, it's STILL a challenge!



>
> "Vash The Stampede" <Trigun@2AM.cn> wrote in message
> news:sHLvh.3540$li4.998@trndny08...
>> All these problems are similar to what gets posted when a new version of
>> Linux gets released...USB doesn't work, can't access files, etc, etc...
>>
>> Trouble is, you don't pay through the nose for a new release of Linux!
>> When you consider what MS wants for a copy of Vista, and how much
>> testing it went through, you'd figure they'd have gotten it right before
>> unleashing it to the public.
>>
>> I had to buy a copy of XP Pro for something I was doing at work, I think
>> I'll stick to it until the next MS OS comes out. Seems every other one
>> is worthy...
>>
>> I'm not saying Linux is any better, by a long shot. If you're used to MS
>> products and all they can do, Linux may not be for you! But, you can
>> also get it for the 'price' of a Saturday afternoon of downloading. I
>> expect more from MicroSoft!
>>
>>
>>

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:09:32 -0700, Colin Barnhorst wrote:

> I commonly see 60% of my 2GB in use without doing any heavy lifting.
> Better the ram than the paging file!

This is true. I have 1.5G installed, and XP FLIES on it! Linux is almost
as fast...


>
> "Dustin Harper" <dharper@vistarip.com> wrote in message
> news:45BF921E.9020407@vistarip.com...
>> Upgrade to 2GB of RAM and you'll notice it's gone too. Vista caches core
>> parts of the OS to speed it up. If an application needs the memory,
>> Vista will take other parts of out the RAM cache to give to the app. It
>> only NEEDS 512MB, approx to run.
>>
>> Dustin Harper
>> dharper@vistarip.com
>> http://www.vistarip.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>