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Old 04-27-2007
vernon
 

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Outlook Express vs Windows mail
During or after conversion.


1. Some getting used to?
2. A snap?
3. A disaster?


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Old 04-27-2007
Justin
 

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Re: Outlook Express vs Windows mail
"vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
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> During or after conversion.
>
>
> 1. Some getting used to?


The surface is pretty much the same. It'll be very familiar.

> 2. A snap?


Yup.

> 3. A disaster?


I wouldn't say that but there are some bugs to be worked out. However it's
perfectly functional and usable.

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Old 04-27-2007
R. C. White, MVP
 

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Re: Outlook Express vs Windows mail
Hi, Vernon.

I'd say Justin's comments are right on. But...

There's no "conversion". WinXP and prior have OE; WM cannot be installed on
WinXP. Vista has WM, and OE cannot be installed on it. Just as OE was
"built in" to WinXP, WM is "built in" to Vista. If you have Vista, then you
have WM - and vice versa. So there's no way to "convert" from one mail
program to the other on either platform.

But the transition might seem like a "conversion" for us users. ;^}

The only part of the transition that might be called a conversion is
Importing prior mail accounts and messages from OE. OE keeps all mail files
in a few folders. A thousand email messages in a single folder are stored
as a single large .dbx file. Corruption in a single message might make the
other 999 messages inaccessible, too. WM keeps each email in a separate
..eml file, so a thousand messages requires a thousand .eml files.
Corruption in one message won't affect the others. But if we want to keep
our old OE message store and use it in WM (and most of us do), then we must
Import that data and let WM "convert" it to the new database format. It's a
one-time project, but it might take several hours if you have a lot of
messages to bring forward. (Don't bother to import newsgroup posts; WM will
need to download those again from the news servers.) If you don't need or
want to import old emails, then forget this whole paragraph.

Once the messages are imported, using WM feels very much like using OE. WM
was extensively rewritten from OE, but most of the changes are "under the
skin". The user interface changes are evolutionary, not revolutionary.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Mail in Vista Ultimate x64)

"vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
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> During or after conversion.
>
>
> 1. Some getting used to?
> 2. A snap?
> 3. A disaster?


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Old 04-28-2007
NotMe
 

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Re: Outlook Express vs Windows mail
But even importing settings from XP Pro, it doesn't allow me the access to
my hotmail accounts that I had setup in XP.
Reading email in my browser isn't my idea of an improvement.
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"R. C. White, MVP" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message
news:54CF8B27-1E87-43EB-B9CD-7F936C2E7233@microsoft.com...
> Hi, Vernon.
>
> I'd say Justin's comments are right on. But...
>
> There's no "conversion". WinXP and prior have OE; WM cannot be installed
> on WinXP. Vista has WM, and OE cannot be installed on it. Just as OE was
> "built in" to WinXP, WM is "built in" to Vista. If you have Vista, then
> you have WM - and vice versa. So there's no way to "convert" from one
> mail program to the other on either platform.
>
> But the transition might seem like a "conversion" for us users. ;^}
>
> The only part of the transition that might be called a conversion is
> Importing prior mail accounts and messages from OE. OE keeps all mail
> files in a few folders. A thousand email messages in a single folder are
> stored as a single large .dbx file. Corruption in a single message might
> make the other 999 messages inaccessible, too. WM keeps each email in a
> separate .eml file, so a thousand messages requires a thousand .eml files.
> Corruption in one message won't affect the others. But if we want to keep
> our old OE message store and use it in WM (and most of us do), then we
> must Import that data and let WM "convert" it to the new database format.
> It's a one-time project, but it might take several hours if you have a lot
> of messages to bring forward. (Don't bother to import newsgroup posts; WM
> will need to download those again from the news servers.) If you don't
> need or want to import old emails, then forget this whole paragraph.
>
> Once the messages are imported, using WM feels very much like using OE.
> WM was extensively rewritten from OE, but most of the changes are "under
> the skin". The user interface changes are evolutionary, not
> revolutionary.
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> rc@grandecom.net
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> (Running Windows Mail in Vista Ultimate x64)
>
> "vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
> news:eNpGa7OiHHA.3452@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> During or after conversion.
>>
>>
>> 1. Some getting used to?
>> 2. A snap?
>> 3. A disaster?

>



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Old 04-28-2007
Bob C
 

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Re: Outlook Express vs Windows mail
"Windows Live Mail Desktop" works like outlook express (multi accounts
including hotmail.) Most imports are done at first run. So far so good.

Aloha,
BobC

__________________________________________________ _________________________________________________
"NotMe" <cargodZeroOne@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uv9uy7SiHHA.1624@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> But even importing settings from XP Pro, it doesn't allow me the access to
> my hotmail accounts that I had setup in XP.
> Reading email in my browser isn't my idea of an improvement.
> --
> A Professional Amateur...If anyone knew it all, none of would be here!
> CarGodZeroOne@hotmail.com
> Change Alpha to Numeric to reply
> "R. C. White, MVP" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message
> news:54CF8B27-1E87-43EB-B9CD-7F936C2E7233@microsoft.com...
>> Hi, Vernon.
>>
>> I'd say Justin's comments are right on. But...
>>
>> There's no "conversion". WinXP and prior have OE; WM cannot be installed
>> on WinXP. Vista has WM, and OE cannot be installed on it. Just as OE
>> was "built in" to WinXP, WM is "built in" to Vista. If you have Vista,
>> then you have WM - and vice versa. So there's no way to "convert" from
>> one mail program to the other on either platform.
>>
>> But the transition might seem like a "conversion" for us users. ;^}
>>
>> The only part of the transition that might be called a conversion is
>> Importing prior mail accounts and messages from OE. OE keeps all mail
>> files in a few folders. A thousand email messages in a single folder are
>> stored as a single large .dbx file. Corruption in a single message might
>> make the other 999 messages inaccessible, too. WM keeps each email in a
>> separate .eml file, so a thousand messages requires a thousand .eml
>> files. Corruption in one message won't affect the others. But if we want
>> to keep our old OE message store and use it in WM (and most of us do),
>> then we must Import that data and let WM "convert" it to the new database
>> format. It's a one-time project, but it might take several hours if you
>> have a lot of messages to bring forward. (Don't bother to import
>> newsgroup posts; WM will need to download those again from the news
>> servers.) If you don't need or want to import old emails, then forget
>> this whole paragraph.
>>
>> Once the messages are imported, using WM feels very much like using OE.
>> WM was extensively rewritten from OE, but most of the changes are "under
>> the skin". The user interface changes are evolutionary, not
>> revolutionary.
>>
>> RC
>> --
>> R. C. White, CPA
>> San Marcos, TX
>> rc@grandecom.net
>> Microsoft Windows MVP
>> (Running Windows Mail in Vista Ultimate x64)
>>
>> "vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
>> news:eNpGa7OiHHA.3452@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> During or after conversion.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. Some getting used to?
>>> 2. A snap?
>>> 3. A disaster?

>>

>
>

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Old 04-28-2007
Justin
 

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Re: Outlook Express vs Windows mail
WLMd is much better then Windows Mail. For some reason they stopped
development on Windows Mail. I think it's because of the choice to move
forward with Outlook Express Live (OEL). Who knows. However they continued
development on WLMd and most of that work will branch into OEL.

However, again, WLMd has bugs as well. It's still in beta. So expect small
"issues".




"Bob C" <NS_bob@NS_mymail.com> wrote in message
news:#cmoSLTiHHA.1388@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> "Windows Live Mail Desktop" works like outlook express (multi accounts
> including hotmail.) Most imports are done at first run. So far so good.
>
> Aloha,
> BobC
>
> __________________________________________________ _________________________________________________
> "NotMe" <cargodZeroOne@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uv9uy7SiHHA.1624@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> But even importing settings from XP Pro, it doesn't allow me the access
>> to my hotmail accounts that I had setup in XP.
>> Reading email in my browser isn't my idea of an improvement.
>> --
>> A Professional Amateur...If anyone knew it all, none of would be here!
>> CarGodZeroOne@hotmail.com
>> Change Alpha to Numeric to reply
>> "R. C. White, MVP" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message
>> news:54CF8B27-1E87-43EB-B9CD-7F936C2E7233@microsoft.com...
>>> Hi, Vernon.
>>>
>>> I'd say Justin's comments are right on. But...
>>>
>>> There's no "conversion". WinXP and prior have OE; WM cannot be
>>> installed on WinXP. Vista has WM, and OE cannot be installed on it.
>>> Just as OE was "built in" to WinXP, WM is "built in" to Vista. If you
>>> have Vista, then you have WM - and vice versa. So there's no way to
>>> "convert" from one mail program to the other on either platform.
>>>
>>> But the transition might seem like a "conversion" for us users. ;^}
>>>
>>> The only part of the transition that might be called a conversion is
>>> Importing prior mail accounts and messages from OE. OE keeps all mail
>>> files in a few folders. A thousand email messages in a single folder
>>> are stored as a single large .dbx file. Corruption in a single message
>>> might make the other 999 messages inaccessible, too. WM keeps each
>>> email in a separate .eml file, so a thousand messages requires a
>>> thousand .eml files. Corruption in one message won't affect the others.
>>> But if we want to keep our old OE message store and use it in WM (and
>>> most of us do), then we must Import that data and let WM "convert" it to
>>> the new database format. It's a one-time project, but it might take
>>> several hours if you have a lot of messages to bring forward. (Don't
>>> bother to import newsgroup posts; WM will need to download those again
>>> from the news servers.) If you don't need or want to import old emails,
>>> then forget this whole paragraph.
>>>
>>> Once the messages are imported, using WM feels very much like using OE.
>>> WM was extensively rewritten from OE, but most of the changes are "under
>>> the skin". The user interface changes are evolutionary, not
>>> revolutionary.
>>>
>>> RC
>>> --
>>> R. C. White, CPA
>>> San Marcos, TX
>>> rc@grandecom.net
>>> Microsoft Windows MVP
>>> (Running Windows Mail in Vista Ultimate x64)
>>>
>>> "vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
>>> news:eNpGa7OiHHA.3452@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> During or after conversion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. Some getting used to?
>>>> 2. A snap?
>>>> 3. A disaster?
>>>

>>
>>

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Old 04-28-2007
Plato
 

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Re: Outlook Express vs Windows mail
Justin wrote:
>
> WLMd is much better then Windows Mail. For some reason they stopped


Try Thunderbird.

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Old 04-28-2007
Julian
 

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Re: Outlook Express vs Windows mail
"Justin" <None@None.com> wrote in message
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> WLMd is much better then Windows Mail. For some reason they stopped
> development on Windows Mail. I think it's because of the choice to move
> forward with Outlook Express Live (OEL). Who knows. However they
> continued development on WLMd and most of that work will branch into OEL.
>
> However, again, WLMd has bugs as well. It's still in beta. So expect
> small "issues".


A large disadvantage, for me at least, of WLMd is that it doesn't
mark posts in multiple groups as read.

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Old 04-28-2007
Julian
 

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Re: Outlook Express vs Windows mail
"Plato" <|@|.|> wrote in message
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> Justin wrote:
>>
>> WLMd is much better then Windows Mail. For some reason they stopped

>
> Try Thunderbird.


A large disadvantage, for me at least, of Tbird is that it doesn't
mark posts in multiple groups as read.

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Old 04-28-2007
Justin
 

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Re: Outlook Express vs Windows mail
"Julian" <Julianlzb87@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Justin" <None@None.com> wrote in message
> news:e3Rx5hViHHA.4076@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> WLMd is much better then Windows Mail. For some reason they stopped
>> development on Windows Mail. I think it's because of the choice to move
>> forward with Outlook Express Live (OEL). Who knows. However they
>> continued development on WLMd and most of that work will branch into OEL.
>>
>> However, again, WLMd has bugs as well. It's still in beta. So expect
>> small "issues".

>
> A large disadvantage, for me at least, of WLMd is that it doesn't
> mark posts in multiple groups as read.


According to others in this NG both Windows Mail and WLMd will do that.

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