Upgrade disk

Been reading many threads mentioning the upgrade disk and dual boots, there
is mention that the xp key is no longer valid upon installation.
My question is: i have xp pro, i want to dual boot with vista; in the past i
was able to buy an upgrade disk of the next windows and instal from windows
to create a dual boot. If i buy vista upgrade and instal to a spare hard
drive from within xp - will my xp be dead? or will both work as normal? Not
like i will be using both at the same time!

elmoono wrote:

> Been reading many threads mentioning the upgrade disk and dual boots, there
> is mention that the xp key is no longer valid upon installation.
> My question is: i have xp pro, i want to dual boot with vista; in the past i
> was able to buy an upgrade disk of the next windows and instal from windows
> to create a dual boot. If i buy vista upgrade and instal to a spare hard
> drive from within xp - will my xp be dead? or will both work as normal? Not
> like i will be using both at the same time!

elmoono:

Dual booting the qualifying OS and the upgrade was always a violation of
the license. But with activation/WGA and all that, Microsoft probably
has the ability to prevent it.

David Wilkinson

It doesn't matter if you use an operating system at different times.
If you wish to dual-boot Windows XP with Windows Vista, you'll
need to purchase a "Full Version" of Windows Vista. Otherwise,
you'll no longer be able to use Windows XP since it must be
installed in order to upgrade to Windows Vista if you use the
upgrade versdion of Windows Vista.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User
Microsoft Community Newsgroups
news://msnews.microsoft.com/

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"elmoono" wrote:

| Been reading many threads mentioning the upgrade disk and dual boots, there
| is mention that the xp key is no longer valid upon installation.
| My question is: i have xp pro, i want to dual boot with vista; in the past i
| was able to buy an upgrade disk of the next windows and instal from windows
| to create a dual boot. If i buy vista upgrade and instal to a spare hard
| drive from within xp - will my xp be dead? or will both work as normal? Not
| like i will be using both at the same time!

Thats according to the license agreement, but you can get away with by
providing the XP disk during Vista installation as a qualifying product.
Unless Genuine Advantage detects the XP install and deactivates since it was
used to qualify for installation of Vista.
--
Andre
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"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
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> It doesn't matter if you use an operating system at different times.
> If you wish to dual-boot Windows XP with Windows Vista, you'll
> need to purchase a "Full Version" of Windows Vista. Otherwise,
> you'll no longer be able to use Windows XP since it must be
> installed in order to upgrade to Windows Vista if you use the
> upgrade versdion of Windows Vista.
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Shell/User
> Microsoft Community Newsgroups
> news://msnews.microsoft.com/
>
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>
> "elmoono" wrote:
>
> | Been reading many threads mentioning the upgrade disk and dual boots,
> there
> | is mention that the xp key is no longer valid upon installation.
> | My question is: i have xp pro, i want to dual boot with vista; in the
> past i
> | was able to buy an upgrade disk of the next windows and instal from
> windows
> | to create a dual boot. If i buy vista upgrade and instal to a spare hard
> | drive from within xp - will my xp be dead? or will both work as normal?
> Not
> | like i will be using both at the same time!
>
>

Sorry, but the upgrade version of Windows Vista does not
ask for a qualifying Windows XP CD. The upgrade installation
must be started from the Windows XP desktop, and that Windows XP
installation must be activated and validated as "genuine".
Unlike previous Windows upgrade CDs, the Windows Vista
upgrade DVD is not bootable.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User
Microsoft Community Newsgroups
news://msnews.microsoft.com/

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"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" wrote:

| Thats according to the license agreement, but you can get away with by
| providing the XP disk during Vista installation as a qualifying product.
| Unless Genuine Advantage detects the XP install and deactivates since it was
| used to qualify for installation of Vista.
| --
| Andre

The consensus seems to be that the upgrade disk is bootable but not
installable and now someone claiming to work Vista Tech support in the
installation_setup newsgroup says it can do both. Jan 30th can't get here
fast enough.

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
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> Sorry, but the upgrade version of Windows Vista does not
> ask for a qualifying Windows XP CD. The upgrade installation
> must be started from the Windows XP desktop, and that Windows XP
> installation must be activated and validated as "genuine".
> Unlike previous Windows upgrade CDs, the Windows Vista
> upgrade DVD is not bootable.
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Shell/User
> Microsoft Community Newsgroups
> news://msnews.microsoft.com/
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" wrote:
>
> | Thats according to the license agreement, but you can get away with by
> | providing the XP disk during Vista installation as a qualifying product.
> | Unless Genuine Advantage detects the XP install and deactivates since it
> was
> | used to qualify for installation of Vista.
> | --
> | Andre
>
>

This is a hypothetical question and I know that it's a violation of the
license, so don't jump down my throat please :-)

With XP, at the moment, the Microsoft servers don't keep the activations for
an eternity, isn't it something like 120 days before they use the disc space
again?
Does anyone know if this will be the case with Vista, and what about the XP
licenses that Vista upgraded from?

Just wondering, that's all.

Ray Rogers


"David Wilkinson" <no-reply@effisols.com> wrote in message
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> elmoono wrote:
>
>> Been reading many threads mentioning the upgrade disk and dual boots,
>> there is mention that the xp key is no longer valid upon installation.
>> My question is: i have xp pro, i want to dual boot with vista; in the
>> past i was able to buy an upgrade disk of the next windows and instal
>> from windows to create a dual boot. If i buy vista upgrade and instal to
>> a spare hard drive from within xp - will my xp be dead? or will both work
>> as normal? Not like i will be using both at the same time!
>
> elmoono:
>
> Dual booting the qualifying OS and the upgrade was always a violation of
> the license. But with activation/WGA and all that, Microsoft probably has
> the ability to prevent it.
>
> David Wilkinson

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

> Sorry, but the upgrade version of Windows Vista does not
> ask for a qualifying Windows XP CD. The upgrade installation
> must be started from the Windows XP desktop, and that Windows XP
> installation must be activated and validated as "genuine".
> Unlike previous Windows upgrade CDs, the Windows Vista
> upgrade DVD is not bootable.
>

Carey:

Correction: It is bootable, but it will not allow installation from the
booted DVD if you supply an upgrade PK. The disk itself is likely the
same as the full one.

In particular, it will allow installation if you do not supply a PK.
Unfortunately, as things stand, you cannot subsequently supply both the
Vista upgrade PK and the qualifying XP PK in order to activate Vista,
though it would seem this would have been easy for MS to do (thereby
avoiding the current upgrade fiasco).

David Wilkinson

The Windows Genuine Advantage (WGA) program will periodically
check the license to determine if the license is being used in accordance
with the End User License Agreement. You would receive a visual
non-genuine message if you attempt to use the Windows XP license
after using it to qualify for the Windows Vista upgrade.

Too make a long story short, the so-called "120 day" activation dump
is no longer relevant with WGA as the enforcement mechanism.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User
Microsoft Community Newsgroups
news://msnews.microsoft.com/

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"Ray "wrote:

| This is a hypothetical question and I know that it's a violation of the
| license, so don't jump down my throat please :-)
|
| With XP, at the moment, the Microsoft servers don't keep the activations for
| an eternity, isn't it something like 120 days before they use the disc space
| again?
| Does anyone know if this will be the case with Vista, and what about the XP
| licenses that Vista upgraded from?
|
| Just wondering, that's all.
|
| Ray Rogers

Thanks Carey, the more that I see, hear and read, I think I'll be going for
the full license instead of an upgrade

Ray

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
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> The Windows Genuine Advantage (WGA) program will periodically
> check the license to determine if the license is being used in accordance
> with the End User License Agreement. You would receive a visual
> non-genuine message if you attempt to use the Windows XP license
> after using it to qualify for the Windows Vista upgrade.
>
> Too make a long story short, the so-called "120 day" activation dump
> is no longer relevant with WGA as the enforcement mechanism.
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Shell/User
> Microsoft Community Newsgroups
> news://msnews.microsoft.com/
>
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>
> "Ray "wrote:
>
> | This is a hypothetical question and I know that it's a violation of the
> | license, so don't jump down my throat please :-)
> |
> | With XP, at the moment, the Microsoft servers don't keep the activations
> for
> | an eternity, isn't it something like 120 days before they use the disc
> space
> | again?
> | Does anyone know if this will be the case with Vista, and what about the
> XP
> | licenses that Vista upgraded from?
> |
> | Just wondering, that's all.
> |
> | Ray Rogers
>
>