VISTA'S CONTENT PROTECTION> longest suicide note in history

VISTA'S CONTENT PROTECTION specification could very well constitute
the longest suicide note in history, claims a new and detailed report
from the University of Auckland in New Zealand.

"Peter Gutmann's report describes the pernicious DRM built into Vista
and required by MS for approval of hardware and drivers," said INQ
reader Brad Steffler, MD, who brought the report to our attention. "As
a physician who uses PCs for image review before I perform surgery,
this situation is intolerable. It is also intolerable for me as a
medical school professor as I will have to switch to a MAC or a Linux
PC. These draconian dicta just might kill the PC as we know it."

But this isn't just a typical anti-Microsoft rant. Gutmann's report
runs to 6,000 words and contains hardly any FSF-style juvenile
invective.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36570

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...vista_cost.txt

Frightening stuff.

P. Enguin

From: "Red nosed reindeer" <->
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"Red nosed reindeer" <-> wrote in message
news:#TKLKPSLHHA.1424@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> VISTA'S CONTENT PROTECTION specification could very well constitute
> the longest suicide note in history, claims a new and detailed report
> from the University of Auckland in New Zealand.
>
> "Peter Gutmann's report describes the pernicious DRM built into Vista
> and required by MS for approval of hardware and drivers," said INQ
> reader Brad Steffler, MD, who brought the report to our attention. "As
> a physician who uses PCs for image review before I perform surgery,
> this situation is intolerable. It is also intolerable for me as a
> medical school professor as I will have to switch to a MAC or a Linux
> PC. These draconian dicta just might kill the PC as we know it."
>
> But this isn't just a typical anti-Microsoft rant. Gutmann's report
> runs to 6,000 words and contains hardly any FSF-style juvenile
> invective.
>
> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36570
>
> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...vista_cost.txt
>
> Frightening stuff.
>
> P. Enguin
>

This is an article that has to do with vista.. I am not expressing an
opinion
I am mealy posting the information in case someone might be interested...

If you want to create mischief locate the original author of the article
and attack him.. not me.

"Kevin John Panzke" <kevpan815@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Red nosed reindeer" <-> wrote in message
> news:#TKLKPSLHHA.1424@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> VISTA'S CONTENT PROTECTION specification could very well constitute
>> the longest suicide note in history, claims a new and detailed report
>> from the University of Auckland in New Zealand.
>>
>> "Peter Gutmann's report describes the pernicious DRM built into Vista
>> and required by MS for approval of hardware and drivers," said INQ
>> reader Brad Steffler, MD, who brought the report to our attention. "As
>> a physician who uses PCs for image review before I perform surgery,
>> this situation is intolerable. It is also intolerable for me as a
>> medical school professor as I will have to switch to a MAC or a Linux
>> PC. These draconian dicta just might kill the PC as we know it."
>>
>> But this isn't just a typical anti-Microsoft rant. Gutmann's report
>> runs to 6,000 words and contains hardly any FSF-style juvenile
>> invective.
>>
>> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36570
>>
>> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...vista_cost.txt
>>
>> Frightening stuff.
>>
>> P. Enguin
>>

I am just providing you a Friendly Warning that you had better stop Spamming
this Newsgroup, considering the fact that you are not running Windows Vista
Beta 2, RC1, RC2 or RTM, Just FYI.

Kevin John Panzke (MSDN Operating Systems Level Subscriber)
Windows Vista RTM
Microsoft Office 2007 RTM

"Red nosed reindeer" <-> wrote in message
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> This is an article that has to do with vista.. I am not expressing an
> opinion
> I am mealy posting the information in case someone might be interested...
>
> If you want to create mischief locate the original author of the article
> and attack him.. not me.
>
> "Kevin John Panzke" <kevpan815@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:esd7jTSLHHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> From: "Red nosed reindeer" <->
>> Subject: VISTA'S CONTENT PROTECTION> longest suicide note in history
>> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 23:36:33 +0200
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>>
>> "Red nosed reindeer" <-> wrote in message
>> news:#TKLKPSLHHA.1424@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> VISTA'S CONTENT PROTECTION specification could very well constitute
>>> the longest suicide note in history, claims a new and detailed report
>>> from the University of Auckland in New Zealand.
>>>
>>> "Peter Gutmann's report describes the pernicious DRM built into Vista
>>> and required by MS for approval of hardware and drivers," said INQ
>>> reader Brad Steffler, MD, who brought the report to our attention. "As
>>> a physician who uses PCs for image review before I perform surgery,
>>> this situation is intolerable. It is also intolerable for me as a
>>> medical school professor as I will have to switch to a MAC or a Linux
>>> PC. These draconian dicta just might kill the PC as we know it."
>>>
>>> But this isn't just a typical anti-Microsoft rant. Gutmann's report
>>> runs to 6,000 words and contains hardly any FSF-style juvenile
>>> invective.
>>>
>>> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36570
>>>
>>> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...vista_cost.txt
>>>
>>> Frightening stuff.
>>>
>>> P. Enguin
>>>
>
>

I can assure you that have no ill intentions.. however I can understand your
point.
So I will stop posting ... unless I have something positive to add.
BTW I do have vista..

Anyway.. the year is changing and it is time for forget everything negative.

Happy New Year :-)



"Kevin John Panzke" <kevpan815@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I am just providing you a Friendly Warning that you had better stop
>Spamming this Newsgroup, considering the fact that you are not running
>Windows Vista Beta 2, RC1, RC2 or RTM, Just FYI.
>
> Kevin John Panzke (MSDN Operating Systems Level Subscriber)
> Windows Vista RTM
> Microsoft Office 2007 RTM
>
> "Red nosed reindeer" <-> wrote in message
> news:OoqJ5WSLHHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> This is an article that has to do with vista.. I am not expressing an
>> opinion
>> I am mealy posting the information in case someone might be interested...
>>
>> If you want to create mischief locate the original author of the article
>> and attack him.. not me.
>>
>> "Kevin John Panzke" <kevpan815@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:esd7jTSLHHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> From: "Red nosed reindeer" <->
>>> Subject: VISTA'S CONTENT PROTECTION> longest suicide note in history
>>> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 23:36:33 +0200
>>> Lines: 25
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>>>
>>>
>>> "Red nosed reindeer" <-> wrote in message
>>> news:#TKLKPSLHHA.1424@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> VISTA'S CONTENT PROTECTION specification could very well constitute
>>>> the longest suicide note in history, claims a new and detailed report
>>>> from the University of Auckland in New Zealand.
>>>>
>>>> "Peter Gutmann's report describes the pernicious DRM built into Vista
>>>> and required by MS for approval of hardware and drivers," said INQ
>>>> reader Brad Steffler, MD, who brought the report to our attention. "As
>>>> a physician who uses PCs for image review before I perform surgery,
>>>> this situation is intolerable. It is also intolerable for me as a
>>>> medical school professor as I will have to switch to a MAC or a Linux
>>>> PC. These draconian dicta just might kill the PC as we know it."
>>>>
>>>> But this isn't just a typical anti-Microsoft rant. Gutmann's report
>>>> runs to 6,000 words and contains hardly any FSF-style juvenile
>>>> invective.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36570
>>>>
>>>> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...vista_cost.txt
>>>>
>>>> Frightening stuff.
>>>>
>>>> P. Enguin
>>>>
>>
>>

I am curious. What is supposed to happen if you don't "stop Spamming this
Newsgroup"?

Dale

"Red nosed reindeer" <-> wrote in message
news:Ow9f7hSLHHA.1816@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I can assure you that have no ill intentions.. however I can understand
>your point.
> So I will stop posting ... unless I have something positive to add.
> BTW I do have vista..
>
> Anyway.. the year is changing and it is time for forget everything
> negative.
>
> Happy New Year :-)
>
>
>
> "Kevin John Panzke" <kevpan815@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eEFbdaSLHHA.1008@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>I am just providing you a Friendly Warning that you had better stop
>>Spamming this Newsgroup, considering the fact that you are not running
>>Windows Vista Beta 2, RC1, RC2 or RTM, Just FYI.
>>
>> Kevin John Panzke (MSDN Operating Systems Level Subscriber)
>> Windows Vista RTM
>> Microsoft Office 2007 RTM
>>
>> "Red nosed reindeer" <-> wrote in message
>> news:OoqJ5WSLHHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> This is an article that has to do with vista.. I am not expressing an
>>> opinion
>>> I am mealy posting the information in case someone might be
>>> interested...
>>>
>>> If you want to create mischief locate the original author of the
>>> article
>>> and attack him.. not me.
>>>
>>> "Kevin John Panzke" <kevpan815@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:esd7jTSLHHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> From: "Red nosed reindeer" <->
>>>> Subject: VISTA'S CONTENT PROTECTION> longest suicide note in history
>>>> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 23:36:33 +0200
>>>> Lines: 25
>>>> X-Priority: 3
>>>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>>>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028
>>>> X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original
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>>>> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0666-0, 12/30/2006), Outbound message
>>>> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
>>>> Message-ID: <#TKLKPSLHHA.1424@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
>>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
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>>>> Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl
>>>> Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
>>>> microsoft.public.windows.vista.general:184825
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Red nosed reindeer" <-> wrote in message
>>>> news:#TKLKPSLHHA.1424@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> VISTA'S CONTENT PROTECTION specification could very well constitute
>>>>> the longest suicide note in history, claims a new and detailed report
>>>>> from the University of Auckland in New Zealand.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Peter Gutmann's report describes the pernicious DRM built into Vista
>>>>> and required by MS for approval of hardware and drivers," said INQ
>>>>> reader Brad Steffler, MD, who brought the report to our attention. "As
>>>>> a physician who uses PCs for image review before I perform surgery,
>>>>> this situation is intolerable. It is also intolerable for me as a
>>>>> medical school professor as I will have to switch to a MAC or a Linux
>>>>> PC. These draconian dicta just might kill the PC as we know it."
>>>>>
>>>>> But this isn't just a typical anti-Microsoft rant. Gutmann's report
>>>>> runs to 6,000 words and contains hardly any FSF-style juvenile
>>>>> invective.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36570
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...vista_cost.txt
>>>>>
>>>>> Frightening stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> P. Enguin
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

Probably something horrible, like Kevin might keep posting your headers
to reveal again and again that you are not posting from your Vista OS,
as if posting messages to this ng using anything but Vista is against
the rules. Ah s**t, screwed up again and posted using my XP, now
everyone's gonna see Kevin's post of my headers . . . how embarrassing.


Dale wrote:
> I am curious. What is supposed to happen if you don't "stop Spamming
> this Newsgroup"?
>
> Dale
>
> "Red nosed reindeer" <-> wrote in message
> news:Ow9f7hSLHHA.1816@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> I can assure you that have no ill intentions.. however I can
>> understand your point.
>> So I will stop posting ... unless I have something positive to add.
>> BTW I do have vista..
>>
>> Anyway.. the year is changing and it is time for forget everything
>> negative.
>>
>> Happy New Year :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> "Kevin John Panzke" <kevpan815@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:eEFbdaSLHHA.1008@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> I am just providing you a Friendly Warning that you had better stop
>>> Spamming this Newsgroup, considering the fact that you are not
>>> running Windows Vista Beta 2, RC1, RC2 or RTM, Just FYI.
>>>
>>> Kevin John Panzke (MSDN Operating Systems Level Subscriber)
>>> Windows Vista RTM
>>> Microsoft Office 2007 RTM
>>>
>>> "Red nosed reindeer" <-> wrote in message
>>> news:OoqJ5WSLHHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> This is an article that has to do with vista.. I am not expressing
>>>> an opinion
>>>> I am mealy posting the information in case someone might be
>>>> interested...
>>>>
>>>> If you want to create mischief locate the original author of the
>>>> article
>>>> and attack him.. not me.
>>>>
>>>> "Kevin John Panzke" <kevpan815@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:esd7jTSLHHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> From: "Red nosed reindeer" <->
>>>>> Subject: VISTA'S CONTENT PROTECTION> longest suicide note in history
>>>>> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 23:36:33 +0200
>>>>> Lines: 25
>>>>> X-Priority: 3
>>>>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
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>>>>> Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
>>>>> microsoft.public.windows.vista.general:184825
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Red nosed reindeer" <-> wrote in message
>>>>> news:#TKLKPSLHHA.1424@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> VISTA'S CONTENT PROTECTION specification could very well constitute
>>>>>> the longest suicide note in history, claims a new and detailed report
>>>>>> from the University of Auckland in New Zealand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Peter Gutmann's report describes the pernicious DRM built into Vista
>>>>>> and required by MS for approval of hardware and drivers," said INQ
>>>>>> reader Brad Steffler, MD, who brought the report to our attention.
>>>>>> "As
>>>>>> a physician who uses PCs for image review before I perform surgery,
>>>>>> this situation is intolerable. It is also intolerable for me as a
>>>>>> medical school professor as I will have to switch to a MAC or a Linux
>>>>>> PC. These draconian dicta just might kill the PC as we know it."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But this isn't just a typical anti-Microsoft rant. Gutmann's report
>>>>>> runs to 6,000 words and contains hardly any FSF-style juvenile
>>>>>> invective.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36570
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...vista_cost.txt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frightening stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P. Enguin
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>

I agree Red nosed reindeer is a troll but who cares what OS and newsreader a
poster is using. I post to the MS groups from Vista, XP, win98, and horror
of horrors Linux.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
www.vistahelp.ca


"Kevin John Panzke" <kevpan815@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eEFbdaSLHHA.1008@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I am just providing you a Friendly Warning that you had better stop
>Spamming this Newsgroup, considering the fact that you are not running
>Windows Vista Beta 2, RC1, RC2 or RTM, Just FYI.
>

I am opposed to DRM but Microsoft is caught between a rock and a hard place.
If they want to be able to legally play some content they have to let the
content know how secure the hardware is or the content won't play. I'm sure
there will be hacks to get around this but Microsoft is a pretty big target.
I can't see them or any other legally responsible entities bypassing DRM.
Here's a counterpoint to the article from Paul Smith a Microsoft MVP.

http://blogs.dasmirnov.net/paul/2006...a_drm_nonsense

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
www.vistahelp.ca


"Red nosed reindeer" <-> wrote in message
news:%23TKLKPSLHHA.1424@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> VISTA'S CONTENT PROTECTION specification could very well constitute
> the longest suicide note in history, claims a new and detailed report
> from the University of Auckland in New Zealand.
>
> "Peter Gutmann's report describes the pernicious DRM built into Vista
> and required by MS for approval of hardware and drivers," said INQ
> reader Brad Steffler, MD, who brought the report to our attention. "As
> a physician who uses PCs for image review before I perform surgery,
> this situation is intolerable. It is also intolerable for me as a
> medical school professor as I will have to switch to a MAC or a Linux
> PC. These draconian dicta just might kill the PC as we know it."
>
> But this isn't just a typical anti-Microsoft rant. Gutmann's report
> runs to 6,000 words and contains hardly any FSF-style juvenile
> invective.
>
> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36570
>
> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...vista_cost.txt
>
> Frightening stuff.
>
> P. Enguin
>

Nonsense. The DRM is poorly thought out and executed in a fragile manner.
This is the doom of Vista...DRM.

"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
news:uaq6pTTLHHA.4000@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I am opposed to DRM but Microsoft is caught between a rock and a hard
>place. If they want to be able to legally play some content they have to
>let the content know how secure the hardware is or the content won't play.
>I'm sure there will be hacks to get around this but Microsoft is a pretty
>big target. I can't see them or any other legally responsible entities
>bypassing DRM. Here's a counterpoint to the article from Paul Smith a
>Microsoft MVP.
>
> http://blogs.dasmirnov.net/paul/2006...a_drm_nonsense
>
> --
> Kerry Brown
> Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> www.vistahelp.ca
>
>
> "Red nosed reindeer" <-> wrote in message
> news:%23TKLKPSLHHA.1424@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> VISTA'S CONTENT PROTECTION specification could very well constitute
>> the longest suicide note in history, claims a new and detailed report
>> from the University of Auckland in New Zealand.
>>
>> "Peter Gutmann's report describes the pernicious DRM built into Vista
>> and required by MS for approval of hardware and drivers," said INQ
>> reader Brad Steffler, MD, who brought the report to our attention. "As
>> a physician who uses PCs for image review before I perform surgery,
>> this situation is intolerable. It is also intolerable for me as a
>> medical school professor as I will have to switch to a MAC or a Linux
>> PC. These draconian dicta just might kill the PC as we know it."
>>
>> But this isn't just a typical anti-Microsoft rant. Gutmann's report
>> runs to 6,000 words and contains hardly any FSF-style juvenile
>> invective.
>>
>> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36570
>>
>> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...vista_cost.txt
>>
>> Frightening stuff.
>>
>> P. Enguin
>>
>