Re: To badly go where no OS has gone before.....

Yah, Linux is priceless as it doesn't cost anything. Everything is done with
pure joy and fun of making a better operating system than Windows. Everyone
knows we have succeeded. Windows looks like really ridiculous and expensive
piece of software. Please don't buy any of that!. Ubuntu means hunanity and
it is really a differenet world from Microsoft. There's NO humanity in
Microsoft!

"Ray" wrote:
Exactly as
alias said!
software.
> They're priceless.
>
> "progressive realization" <-> wrote in message
> news:ec3ObZh$GHA.2328@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1...ockkirkas4.jpg
> >
> > http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/2...ttyvistxp2.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

"The man from Finland!" <ThemanfromFinland@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote in message
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> Yah, Linux is priceless as it doesn't cost anything. Everything is
> done with pure joy and fun of making a better operating system than
> Windows. Everyone knows we have succeeded. Windows looks like really
> ridiculous and expensive piece of software. Please don't buy any of
> that!. Ubuntu means hunanity and it is really a differenet world from
> Microsoft. There's NO humanity in Microsoft!
>
> "Ray" wrote:
> Exactly as
> alias said!
> software.
>> They're priceless.
>>
>> "progressive realization" <-> wrote in message
>> news:ec3ObZh$GHA.2328@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1...ockkirkas4.jpg
>>>
>>> http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/2...ttyvistxp2.jpg

Yeah I have been hearing this since 1991. And in Torvalds book, he
claims he uses Windows. So the author of Linux uses Linux. That doesn't
say much for Linux, does it?

And I won't care if 99% of the world uses Linux, it is worthless to me
until third party developers start selling hardware with Linux in mind.
As I am not fooled with Linux is free, if I have to write my own TV card
and VoIP phone drivers for the stupid Linux. I played that game with
OS/2 and I ain't writing any more drivers. As I have far better things
to do with my time. <grin>

With Windows, you buy the box and if it doesn't work, you take it back
to the store and get another one that works. With Linux, it is up to you
and you alone to make it work. Blah! I'm too old that that stuff.

--
Bill

"BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
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> "The man from Finland!"
> <ThemanfromFinland@discussions.microsoft.com>
> wrote in message
> news6465A13-3CC2-4707-8262-0010CAFE9A9D@microsoft.com
>> Yah, Linux is priceless as it doesn't cost anything. Everything is
>> done with pure joy and fun of making a better operating system than
>> Windows. Everyone knows we have succeeded. Windows looks like
>> really
>> ridiculous and expensive piece of software. Please don't buy any of
>> that!. Ubuntu means hunanity and it is really a differenet world
>> from
>> Microsoft. There's NO humanity in Microsoft!
>>
>> "Ray" wrote:
>> Exactly as
>> alias said!
>> software.
>>> They're priceless.
>>>
>>> "progressive realization" <-> wrote in message
>>> news:ec3ObZh$GHA.2328@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1...ockkirkas4.jpg
>>>>
>>>> http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/2...ttyvistxp2.jpg
>
> Yeah I have been hearing this since 1991. And in Torvalds book, he
> claims he uses Windows. So the author of Linux uses Linux. That
> doesn't say much for Linux, does it?

Ha? Linus uses Linux? And Windows?


> And I won't care if 99% of the world uses Linux, it is worthless to
> me until third party developers start selling hardware with Linux in
> mind. As I am not fooled with Linux is free, if I have to write my
> own TV card and VoIP phone drivers for the stupid Linux. I played
> that game with OS/2 and I ain't writing any more drivers. As I have
> far better things to do with my time. <grin>
>
> With Windows, you buy the box and if it doesn't work, you take it
> back to the store and get another one that works.

Really?


> With Linux, it is up to you and you alone to make it work. Blah! I'm
> too old that that stuff.

You may try openSUSE - it may turn out to be good for you:
<http://www.zdnetindia.com/news/business/stories/165792.html>


Roy

I would make the switch to an alternative OS for my media center
applications if there was an alternative OS that could play high quality
media on a high quality device. If the Ubuntu gurus are smart, they'd focus
on media. As it is now, I don't see the support to make it worth while.

Dale

"BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
news:uvIn3a5KHHA.3560@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> "The man from Finland!" <ThemanfromFinland@discussions.microsoft.com>
> wrote in message
> news6465A13-3CC2-4707-8262-0010CAFE9A9D@microsoft.com
>> Yah, Linux is priceless as it doesn't cost anything. Everything is
>> done with pure joy and fun of making a better operating system than
>> Windows. Everyone knows we have succeeded. Windows looks like really
>> ridiculous and expensive piece of software. Please don't buy any of
>> that!. Ubuntu means hunanity and it is really a differenet world from
>> Microsoft. There's NO humanity in Microsoft!
>>
>> "Ray" wrote:
>> Exactly as
>> alias said!
>> software.
>>> They're priceless.
>>>
>>> "progressive realization" <-> wrote in message
>>> news:ec3ObZh$GHA.2328@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1...ockkirkas4.jpg
>>>>
>>>> http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/2...ttyvistxp2.jpg
>
> Yeah I have been hearing this since 1991. And in Torvalds book, he claims
> he uses Windows. So the author of Linux uses Linux. That doesn't say much
> for Linux, does it?
>
> And I won't care if 99% of the world uses Linux, it is worthless to me
> until third party developers start selling hardware with Linux in mind. As
> I am not fooled with Linux is free, if I have to write my own TV card and
> VoIP phone drivers for the stupid Linux. I played that game with OS/2 and
> I ain't writing any more drivers. As I have far better things to do with
> my time. <grin>
>
> With Windows, you buy the box and if it doesn't work, you take it back to
> the store and get another one that works. With Linux, it is up to you and
> you alone to make it work. Blah! I'm too old that that stuff.
>
> --
> Bill

One of the challenges for the alternative operating systems is device
drivers, especially proprietary ones, because the GPL apparently does not
allow proprietary code to be bundled into a distribution.

"Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
news:OW7T6T6KHHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>I would make the switch to an alternative OS for my media center
>applications if there was an alternative OS that could play high quality
>media on a high quality device. If the Ubuntu gurus are smart, they'd
>focus on media. As it is now, I don't see the support to make it worth
>while.
>
> Dale
>
> "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
> news:uvIn3a5KHHA.3560@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> "The man from Finland!" <ThemanfromFinland@discussions.microsoft.com>
>> wrote in message
>> news6465A13-3CC2-4707-8262-0010CAFE9A9D@microsoft.com
>>> Yah, Linux is priceless as it doesn't cost anything. Everything is
>>> done with pure joy and fun of making a better operating system than
>>> Windows. Everyone knows we have succeeded. Windows looks like really
>>> ridiculous and expensive piece of software. Please don't buy any of
>>> that!. Ubuntu means hunanity and it is really a differenet world from
>>> Microsoft. There's NO humanity in Microsoft!
>>>
>>> "Ray" wrote:
>>> Exactly as
>>> alias said!
>>> software.
>>>> They're priceless.
>>>>
>>>> "progressive realization" <-> wrote in message
>>>> news:ec3ObZh$GHA.2328@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1...ockkirkas4.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/2...ttyvistxp2.jpg
>>
>> Yeah I have been hearing this since 1991. And in Torvalds book, he claims
>> he uses Windows. So the author of Linux uses Linux. That doesn't say much
>> for Linux, does it?
>>
>> And I won't care if 99% of the world uses Linux, it is worthless to me
>> until third party developers start selling hardware with Linux in mind.
>> As I am not fooled with Linux is free, if I have to write my own TV card
>> and VoIP phone drivers for the stupid Linux. I played that game with OS/2
>> and I ain't writing any more drivers. As I have far better things to do
>> with my time. <grin>
>>
>> With Windows, you buy the box and if it doesn't work, you take it back to
>> the store and get another one that works. With Linux, it is up to you and
>> you alone to make it work. Blah! I'm too old that that stuff.
>>
>> --
>> Bill
>

BillW50 wrote:
> "The man from Finland!" <ThemanfromFinland@discussions.microsoft.com>
> wrote in message
> news6465A13-3CC2-4707-8262-0010CAFE9A9D@microsoft.com
>> Yah, Linux is priceless as it doesn't cost anything. Everything is
>> done with pure joy and fun of making a better operating system than
>> Windows. Everyone knows we have succeeded. Windows looks like really
>> ridiculous and expensive piece of software. Please don't buy any of
>> that!. Ubuntu means hunanity and it is really a differenet world from
>> Microsoft. There's NO humanity in Microsoft!
>>
>> "Ray" wrote:
>> Exactly as
>> alias said!
>> software.
>>> They're priceless.
>>>
>>> "progressive realization" <-> wrote in message
>>> news:ec3ObZh$GHA.2328@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1...ockkirkas4.jpg
>>>>
>>>> http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/2...ttyvistxp2.jpg
>
> Yeah I have been hearing this since 1991. And in Torvalds book, he
> claims he uses Windows. So the author of Linux uses Linux. That
> doesn't say much for Linux, does it?
>
> And I won't care if 99% of the world uses Linux, it is worthless to me
> until third party developers start selling hardware with Linux in
> mind. As I am not fooled with Linux is free, if I have to write my
> own TV card and VoIP phone drivers for the stupid Linux. I played
> that game with OS/2 and I ain't writing any more drivers. As I have
> far better things to do with my time. <grin>
>
> With Windows, you buy the box and if it doesn't work, you take it back
> to the store and get another one that works. With Linux, it is up to
> you and you alone to make it work. Blah! I'm too old that that stuff.

Bravo! And it's not your age; that's just the way it is. I got fooled into
trying the Linux "thing" myself and when it turned out I couldn't use all my
hardware because of the lack of drivers, I had to abandon it. There is
nothing precisely WRONG with Linux; it's just that, as with most anything,
it's meant for a certain segment of the population. It has a niche, and
does well there. But for the pure "users" out there, which are by far the
majority, something like XP is much better, as you described.

I've found that most people who make statements such as the cretins above
have done, are:
1. Actually using windows but want to be noticed;
2. Are power users who can write software and want to brag;
3. Are nothing but parrots;
4. And finally are usually Neanderthals and troglodytes on top of it all.

Yer NEVER too old, long's you can THINK like a 17 year old; only difference
is, they haven't done the stuff yet that you've done where you've done it
and aren't amazed by it anymore < G >!! OH; maybe that's just ME!! I
aint's good's I once was but I'm's good once as I ever was!

Regards,

Pop`

Huh? I didn't understand a single word of that.

Dale

"Poprivet" <poprivet@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:eU5DA66KHHA.3552@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> BillW50 wrote:
>> "The man from Finland!" <ThemanfromFinland@discussions.microsoft.com>
>> wrote in message
>> news6465A13-3CC2-4707-8262-0010CAFE9A9D@microsoft.com
>>> Yah, Linux is priceless as it doesn't cost anything. Everything is
>>> done with pure joy and fun of making a better operating system than
>>> Windows. Everyone knows we have succeeded. Windows looks like really
>>> ridiculous and expensive piece of software. Please don't buy any of
>>> that!. Ubuntu means hunanity and it is really a differenet world from
>>> Microsoft. There's NO humanity in Microsoft!
>>>
>>> "Ray" wrote:
>>> Exactly as
>>> alias said!
>>> software.
>>>> They're priceless.
>>>>
>>>> "progressive realization" <-> wrote in message
>>>> news:ec3ObZh$GHA.2328@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1...ockkirkas4.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/2...ttyvistxp2.jpg
>>
>> Yeah I have been hearing this since 1991. And in Torvalds book, he
>> claims he uses Windows. So the author of Linux uses Linux. That
>> doesn't say much for Linux, does it?
>>
>> And I won't care if 99% of the world uses Linux, it is worthless to me
>> until third party developers start selling hardware with Linux in
>> mind. As I am not fooled with Linux is free, if I have to write my
>> own TV card and VoIP phone drivers for the stupid Linux. I played
>> that game with OS/2 and I ain't writing any more drivers. As I have
>> far better things to do with my time. <grin>
>>
>> With Windows, you buy the box and if it doesn't work, you take it back
>> to the store and get another one that works. With Linux, it is up to
>> you and you alone to make it work. Blah! I'm too old that that stuff.
>
> Bravo! And it's not your age; that's just the way it is. I got fooled
> into trying the Linux "thing" myself and when it turned out I couldn't use
> all my hardware because of the lack of drivers, I had to abandon it.
> There is nothing precisely WRONG with Linux; it's just that, as with most
> anything, it's meant for a certain segment of the population. It has a
> niche, and does well there. But for the pure "users" out there, which are
> by far the majority, something like XP is much better, as you described.
>
> I've found that most people who make statements such as the cretins above
> have done, are:
> 1. Actually using windows but want to be noticed;
> 2. Are power users who can write software and want to brag;
> 3. Are nothing but parrots;
> 4. And finally are usually Neanderthals and troglodytes on top of it all.
>
> Yer NEVER too old, long's you can THINK like a 17 year old; only
> difference is, they haven't done the stuff yet that you've done where
> you've done it and aren't amazed by it anymore < G >!! OH; maybe that's
> just ME!! I aint's good's I once was but I'm's good once as I ever was!
>
> Regards,
>
> Pop`
>
>

"Poprivet" <poprivet@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:eU5DA66KHHA.3552@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl
> BillW50 wrote:
>> "The man from Finland!" <ThemanfromFinland@discussions.microsoft.com>
>> wrote in message
>> news6465A13-3CC2-4707-8262-0010CAFE9A9D@microsoft.com
>>> Yah, Linux is priceless as it doesn't cost anything. Everything is
>>> done with pure joy and fun of making a better operating system than
>>> Windows. Everyone knows we have succeeded. Windows looks like really
>>> ridiculous and expensive piece of software. Please don't buy any of
>>> that!. Ubuntu means hunanity and it is really a differenet world
>>> from Microsoft. There's NO humanity in Microsoft!
>>>
>>> "Ray" wrote:
>>> Exactly as
>>> alias said!
>>> software.
>>>> They're priceless.
>>>>
>>>> "progressive realization" <-> wrote in message
>>>> news:ec3ObZh$GHA.2328@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1...ockkirkas4.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/2...ttyvistxp2.jpg
>>
>> Yeah I have been hearing this since 1991. And in Torvalds book, he
>> claims he uses Windows. So the author of Linux uses Linux. That
>> doesn't say much for Linux, does it?
>>
>> And I won't care if 99% of the world uses Linux, it is worthless to
>> me until third party developers start selling hardware with Linux in
>> mind. As I am not fooled with Linux is free, if I have to write my
>> own TV card and VoIP phone drivers for the stupid Linux. I played
>> that game with OS/2 and I ain't writing any more drivers. As I have
>> far better things to do with my time. <grin>
>>
>> With Windows, you buy the box and if it doesn't work, you take it
>> back to the store and get another one that works. With Linux, it is
>> up to you and you alone to make it work. Blah! I'm too old that that
>> stuff.
>
> Bravo! And it's not your age; that's just the way it is. I got
> fooled into trying the Linux "thing" myself and when it turned out I
> couldn't use all my hardware because of the lack of drivers, I had to
> abandon it. There is nothing precisely WRONG with Linux; it's just
> that, as with most anything, it's meant for a certain segment of the
> population. It has a niche, and does well there. But for the pure
> "users" out there, which are by far the majority, something like XP
> is much better, as you described.
> I've found that most people who make statements such as the cretins
> above have done, are:
> 1. Actually using windows but want to be noticed;
> 2. Are power users who can write software and want to brag;
> 3. Are nothing but parrots;
> 4. And finally are usually Neanderthals and troglodytes on top of it
> all.
> Yer NEVER too old, long's you can THINK like a 17 year old; only
> difference is, they haven't done the stuff yet that you've done where
> you've done it and aren't amazed by it anymore < G >!! OH; maybe
> that's just ME!! I aint's good's I once was but I'm's good once as I
> ever was!
> Regards,
>
> Pop`

Well said Pop`. <grin>

As for Dale... well... maybe you are not old enough to understand yet. I
don't know, as it seems pretty easy to understand to me.

--
Bill

I don't mind Linux on my fileserver & proxy server, but don't look for me to
start using it on my personal desktop until it catches up with the
useability of XP.
But if Vista is as backwards as IE7, I may have to rethink that.

--
A Professional Amateur...If anyone knew it all, none of would be here!
CarGodZeroOne@hotmail.com
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"Poprivet" <poprivet@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:eU5DA66KHHA.3552@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> BillW50 wrote:
>> "The man from Finland!" <ThemanfromFinland@discussions.microsoft.com>
>> wrote in message
>> news6465A13-3CC2-4707-8262-0010CAFE9A9D@microsoft.com
>>> Yah, Linux is priceless as it doesn't cost anything. Everything is
>>> done with pure joy and fun of making a better operating system than
>>> Windows. Everyone knows we have succeeded. Windows looks like really
>>> ridiculous and expensive piece of software. Please don't buy any of
>>> that!. Ubuntu means hunanity and it is really a differenet world from
>>> Microsoft. There's NO humanity in Microsoft!
>>>
>>> "Ray" wrote:
>>> Exactly as
>>> alias said!
>>> software.
>>>> They're priceless.
>>>>
>>>> "progressive realization" <-> wrote in message
>>>> news:ec3ObZh$GHA.2328@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1...ockkirkas4.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/2...ttyvistxp2.jpg
>>
>> Yeah I have been hearing this since 1991. And in Torvalds book, he
>> claims he uses Windows. So the author of Linux uses Linux. That
>> doesn't say much for Linux, does it?
>>
>> And I won't care if 99% of the world uses Linux, it is worthless to me
>> until third party developers start selling hardware with Linux in
>> mind. As I am not fooled with Linux is free, if I have to write my
>> own TV card and VoIP phone drivers for the stupid Linux. I played
>> that game with OS/2 and I ain't writing any more drivers. As I have
>> far better things to do with my time. <grin>
>>
>> With Windows, you buy the box and if it doesn't work, you take it back
>> to the store and get another one that works. With Linux, it is up to
>> you and you alone to make it work. Blah! I'm too old that that stuff.
>
> Bravo! And it's not your age; that's just the way it is. I got fooled
> into trying the Linux "thing" myself and when it turned out I couldn't use
> all my hardware because of the lack of drivers, I had to abandon it.
> There is nothing precisely WRONG with Linux; it's just that, as with most
> anything, it's meant for a certain segment of the population. It has a
> niche, and does well there. But for the pure "users" out there, which are
> by far the majority, something like XP is much better, as you described.
>
> I've found that most people who make statements such as the cretins above
> have done, are:
> 1. Actually using windows but want to be noticed;
> 2. Are power users who can write software and want to brag;
> 3. Are nothing but parrots;
> 4. And finally are usually Neanderthals and troglodytes on top of it all.
>
> Yer NEVER too old, long's you can THINK like a 17 year old; only
> difference is, they haven't done the stuff yet that you've done where
> you've done it and aren't amazed by it anymore < G >!! OH; maybe that's
> just ME!! I aint's good's I once was but I'm's good once as I ever was!
>
> Regards,
>
> Pop`
>
>

If the 50 in your name is your age, I have you beat by a year.

Dale

"BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
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> "Poprivet" <poprivet@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:eU5DA66KHHA.3552@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>> "The man from Finland!" <ThemanfromFinland@discussions.microsoft.com>
>>> wrote in message
>>> news6465A13-3CC2-4707-8262-0010CAFE9A9D@microsoft.com
>>>> Yah, Linux is priceless as it doesn't cost anything. Everything is
>>>> done with pure joy and fun of making a better operating system than
>>>> Windows. Everyone knows we have succeeded. Windows looks like really
>>>> ridiculous and expensive piece of software. Please don't buy any of
>>>> that!. Ubuntu means hunanity and it is really a differenet world
>>>> from Microsoft. There's NO humanity in Microsoft!
>>>>
>>>> "Ray" wrote:
>>>> Exactly as
>>>> alias said!
>>>> software.
>>>>> They're priceless.
>>>>>
>>>>> "progressive realization" <-> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ec3ObZh$GHA.2328@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1...ockkirkas4.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/2...ttyvistxp2.jpg
>>>
>>> Yeah I have been hearing this since 1991. And in Torvalds book, he
>>> claims he uses Windows. So the author of Linux uses Linux. That
>>> doesn't say much for Linux, does it?
>>>
>>> And I won't care if 99% of the world uses Linux, it is worthless to
>>> me until third party developers start selling hardware with Linux in
>>> mind. As I am not fooled with Linux is free, if I have to write my
>>> own TV card and VoIP phone drivers for the stupid Linux. I played
>>> that game with OS/2 and I ain't writing any more drivers. As I have
>>> far better things to do with my time. <grin>
>>>
>>> With Windows, you buy the box and if it doesn't work, you take it
>>> back to the store and get another one that works. With Linux, it is
>>> up to you and you alone to make it work. Blah! I'm too old that that
>>> stuff.
>>
>> Bravo! And it's not your age; that's just the way it is. I got
>> fooled into trying the Linux "thing" myself and when it turned out I
>> couldn't use all my hardware because of the lack of drivers, I had to
>> abandon it. There is nothing precisely WRONG with Linux; it's just
>> that, as with most anything, it's meant for a certain segment of the
>> population. It has a niche, and does well there. But for the pure
>> "users" out there, which are by far the majority, something like XP
>> is much better, as you described.
>> I've found that most people who make statements such as the cretins
>> above have done, are:
>> 1. Actually using windows but want to be noticed;
>> 2. Are power users who can write software and want to brag;
>> 3. Are nothing but parrots;
>> 4. And finally are usually Neanderthals and troglodytes on top of it
>> all.
>> Yer NEVER too old, long's you can THINK like a 17 year old; only
>> difference is, they haven't done the stuff yet that you've done where
>> you've done it and aren't amazed by it anymore < G >!! OH; maybe
>> that's just ME!! I aint's good's I once was but I'm's good once as I
>> ever was!
>> Regards,
>>
>> Pop`
>
> Well said Pop`. <grin>
>
> As for Dale... well... maybe you are not old enough to understand yet. I
> don't know, as it seems pretty easy to understand to me.
>
> --
> Bill