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  #11 (permalink)  
Old 07-19-2008
Steve Thackery
 

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Re: Help Request for someone new!
> Is it worth having 4Gb or above or ram to make
> sure thats its running to its highest ability?


4G yes. Don't go above that because Vista 32-bit can't see it.

I agree with the other contributors - this slow performance is definitely
not typical.

SteveT

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Old 07-19-2008
big vista is
 

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Re: Help Request for someone new!
Next time direct your question to FRANK.

He is the vista specialist in here... he knows everything about vista....



"Nostralls" <guest@unknown-email.com> wrote in message
news:cf660074f0c773c8a1fdb0c2424ca8f9@nntp-gateway.com...
>
> Hello just built a brand spanking new PC, quite a nice spec,
>
> *Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 G0 Stepping (2.4GHz 1066MHz) Socket 775 L2 8MB
> Cache (2x4MB (4MB per core pair)*
> Asus P5N-E SLI 650i Socket 775 PCI-E Onboard Audio ATX Motherboard
> *1 x Kingston 2GB Kit (2x1GB) DDR2 800MHz/PC2-6400 Memory Non-ecc CL5
> Unbuffered 1.8V*
> Maxtor STM3250310AS 250GB SATAII 8MB Cache + 160GB Back up Drive out of
> old computer, IDE.
> Zotac 8800GT 512MB DDR3 Dual DVI HDTV Out PCI-E Graphics Card
> Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium.
> Samsung SH-S223F 22X DVD±RW/RAM/DL Serial ATA Black Bare Drive
> EV Black Mid Tower Gaming Case with Massive
> Hi-Power Black 700W 14cm Blue LED Fan PSU
>
> Since I put it together I have had a few problems with the system
> itself, being a lot slower than I expected it to be, and in idle mode
> its using approx 30%-50% of the Ram according to the file in my side
> bar, is this normal to use so much ram?
>
> Also when using the internet and several other files this morning like
> my computer & my documents, it would stop and then say "Not Responding"
> go pale then come back 20 - 30 secs later. This was the first time I had
> connected it to the internet so was downloading lots of updates, but
> still, a nice spec PC, I expected to deal a lot better.
>
> Also sometimes when I boot up Windows, it takes ages, sometimes my
> monitor goes into standby mode it takes that long. Is this normal? Also
> had a blue screen fatal error message this morning, but it restarted
> itself.
>
> Could this be either a memory or a software issue? Too little memory?
> Or could this be basically Windows upto its old tricks? Is it worth
> maybe trying a reinstall?
>
> On my boot up screen it also says that my primary hard drive is in Sata
> 3 or something, could this be an issue? Or would this not matter?
>
> I am very new to this building game so any advice you could give me
> would be seriously gratefully recieved?
>
> Nick
>
>
> --
> Nostralls


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Old 07-19-2008
Ken Blake, MVP
 

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Re: Help Request for someone new!
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:26:55 -0500, Nostralls
<guest@unknown-email.com> wrote:

>
> Hello just built a brand spanking new PC, quite a nice spec,
>
> *Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 G0 Stepping (2.4GHz 1066MHz) Socket 775 L2 8MB
> Cache (2x4MB (4MB per core pair)*
> Asus P5N-E SLI 650i Socket 775 PCI-E Onboard Audio ATX Motherboard
> *1 x Kingston 2GB Kit (2x1GB) DDR2 800MHz/PC2-6400 Memory Non-ecc CL5
> Unbuffered 1.8V*
> Maxtor STM3250310AS 250GB SATAII 8MB Cache + 160GB Back up Drive out of
> old computer, IDE.
> Zotac 8800GT 512MB DDR3 Dual DVI HDTV Out PCI-E Graphics Card
> Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium.
> Samsung SH-S223F 22X DVD±RW/RAM/DL Serial ATA Black Bare Drive
> EV Black Mid Tower Gaming Case with Massive
> Hi-Power Black 700W 14cm Blue LED Fan PSU
>
> Since I put it together I have had a few problems with the system
> itself, being a lot slower than I expected it to be, and in idle mode
> its using approx 30%-50% of the Ram according to the file in my side
> bar, is this normal to use so much ram?




Yes. And even more. Windows is designed to use all, or nearly all,
your RAM all the time. If your apps don't need it, Windows will try to
find another use for it (such as using it for cache), then give it
back when the apps need it again.

Despite what some people apparently think, this is good, not bad.
Unused RAM is wasted RAM. You paid for it all, and shouldn't want to
see any of it sitting around idle and wasted.


> Also when using the internet and several other files this morning like
> my computer & my documents, it would stop and then say "Not Responding"
> go pale then come back 20 - 30 secs later. This was the first time I had
> connected it to the internet so was downloading lots of updates, but
> still, a nice spec PC, I expected to deal a lot better.
>
> Also sometimes when I boot up Windows, it takes ages,



How long is "ages"? What programs do you have starting automatically?


> sometimes my
> monitor goes into standby mode it takes that long. Is this normal? Also
> had a blue screen fatal error message this morning, but it restarted
> itself.
>
> Could this be either a memory or a software issue? Too little memory?



Probably not. How much RAM you need for good performance is *not* a
one-size-fits-all situation. You get good performance if the amount of
RAM you have keeps you from using the page file, and that depends on
what apps you run. Most people running a typical range of business
applications under Vista find that 2GB is adequate.

If you are currently using the page file significantly, more memory
will decrease or eliminate that usage, and improve your performance.
If you are not using the page file significantly, more memory will do
nothing for you.



> Or could this be basically Windows upto its old tricks?



Old tricks? I have no Windows problems here, on any of my Vista or XP
machines.


> Is it worth
> maybe trying a reinstall?
>
> On my boot up screen it also says that my primary hard drive is in Sata
> 3 or something, could this be an issue? Or would this not matter?
>
> I am very new to this building game so any advice you could give me
> would be seriously gratefully recieved?



These days, one of the most common reasons for poor performance is
malware infection. You don't say anything about what anti-virus or
anti-spyware programs you use, but you should certainly consider the
possibility--even probability--of your being infected. You might want
to consider going to Malke's Malware Removal site at
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/...moving_Malware and
following the instructions there.


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
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Old 07-19-2008
DanS
 

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Re: Help Request for someone new!
"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in
news:in04841ib798m8dnemhiqqnpdqrn000900@4ax.com:

> Yes. And even more. Windows is designed to use all, or nearly all,
> your RAM all the time. If your apps don't need it, Windows will try to
> find another use for it (such as using it for cache), then give it
> back when the apps need it again.
>
> Despite what some people apparently think, this is good, not bad.
> Unused RAM is wasted RAM. You paid for it all, and shouldn't want to
> see any of it sitting around idle and wasted.


But, it is sitting idle, doing nothing, when pre-loaded with programs you
aren't (yet) using. Or might not even use during that session.

I'm not saying this is good or bad. Just that it IS sitting there idle and
wasted.
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Old 07-19-2008
Colin Barnhorst
 

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"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message
news:Xns9AE0B628A9F0Dthisnthatadelphianet@85.214.9 0.236...
> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in
> news:in04841ib798m8dnemhiqqnpdqrn000900@4ax.com:
>
>> Yes. And even more. Windows is designed to use all, or nearly all,
>> your RAM all the time. If your apps don't need it, Windows will try to
>> find another use for it (such as using it for cache), then give it
>> back when the apps need it again.
>>
>> Despite what some people apparently think, this is good, not bad.
>> Unused RAM is wasted RAM. You paid for it all, and shouldn't want to
>> see any of it sitting around idle and wasted.

>
> But, it is sitting idle, doing nothing, when pre-loaded with programs you
> aren't (yet) using. Or might not even use during that session.
>
> I'm not saying this is good or bad. Just that it IS sitting there idle and
> wasted.



Ram is not a commodity like gasoline. It is more like the rooms in your
house. You aren't using anything up whether they are in use or not. If
your car idles you are wasting gas. If your computer idles you may be
wasting electriciy, but not the ram.

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Old 07-20-2008
Ken Blake, MVP
 

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Re: Help Request for someone new!
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:54:47 +0000 (UTC), DanS
<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote:

> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in
> news:in04841ib798m8dnemhiqqnpdqrn000900@4ax.com:
>
> > Yes. And even more. Windows is designed to use all, or nearly all,
> > your RAM all the time. If your apps don't need it, Windows will try to
> > find another use for it (such as using it for cache), then give it
> > back when the apps need it again.
> >
> > Despite what some people apparently think, this is good, not bad.
> > Unused RAM is wasted RAM. You paid for it all, and shouldn't want to
> > see any of it sitting around idle and wasted.

>
> But, it is sitting idle, doing nothing, when pre-loaded with programs you
> aren't (yet) using. Or might not even use during that session.



That's sometimes true, but generally not. It's virtual memory
(Microsoft's definition: Ram plus page file) that's loaded with
programs. What stays in RAM in only what you are actually using at the
time (assuming that there's room for it all). The rest stays in the
page file until it's needed.



> I'm not saying this is good or bad. Just that it IS sitting there idle and
> wasted.


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