XP *and* Vista co-exist in the market?

>
> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long
> before it was released.
>
> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very good job
> all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>


I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista Home
Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call high end.

--
Kerry Brown
MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration
http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

Kerry Brown wrote:
>>
>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long
>> before it was released.
>>
>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very good
>> job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>
>
>
> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista
> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call high
> end.
>

A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware to
build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the cost of
buying retail Ultimate in Spain.

Alias

":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long
>>> before it was released.
>>>
>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very good
>>> job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista Home
>> Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call high end.
>>
>
> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware to
> build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the cost of
> buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>


I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living in the
past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is high end. I
don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name brand DDR2 RAM is
$60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run Vista very well and is
easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is what I consider to be decent
quality.

Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00

Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised brand
names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could probably get
it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any edition of Vista 32
or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be stable, all drivers are
easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A
decent 19" wide screen LCD would be another $200.00. The complete system
with Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you should move to Canada. It sounds
like your decision to live in Spain has impacted your computing experience.
In any case cost is relative to where you live. The system specs would not
be considered high end anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.

--
Kerry Brown
MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration
http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

Kerry Brown wrote:
> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware
>>>> long before it was released.
>>>>
>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very
>>>> good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista
>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call
>>> high end.
>>>
>>
>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware
>> to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the
>> cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>
>
>
> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living in
> the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is high
> end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name brand DDR2
> RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run Vista very
> well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is what I
> consider to be decent quality.
>
> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00

No video or audio card? Are these Canadian or US dollars?

> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised
> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could
> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any
> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be
> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is
> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be another
> $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you
> should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live in Spain has
> impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is relative to
> where you live. The system specs would not be considered high end
> anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.
>

Unfortunately, in Spain, you can't buy a copy of a generic OEM Vista (or
XP for that matter), only retail, unless you buy a complete computer. If
I wanted to buy another copy of Vista or XP, I would get a friend to buy
it in the States and send it to me.

That said, I didn't move to Spain for computer prices. I hate the cold
and where I live, there's sunshine at least 300 days a year and it never
goes under 5ºC so Canada is completely out of the question :-)

Alias

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message
news:u58%23%23y7tIHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> "Alias" <iamalias@removegmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g0kjuk$otu$2@aioe.org...
>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eoeqWC3tIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>> "the wharf rat" <wrat@panix.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:g0k0ug$1f1$1@reader2.panix.com...
>>>>>> In article <u6ihweztIHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,
>>>>>> Steve Thackery <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obviously the marketing machine in Microsoft isn't stupid, and they
>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>> have considered this. Does anyone know - or have an opinion - on
>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>> Microsoft are forcing their customers to use Vista after next month,
>>>>>>> even if
>>>>>>> it makes the customer unhappy?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because Vista requires that you purchase new hardware and new
>>>>>> software
>>>>>> in addition to the new operating system. That makes Microsoft
>>>>>> business partners
>>>>>> and subsidiaries happy. Microsoft is far more concerned with keeping
>>>>>> those
>>>>>> entities happy than with anything a customer might think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am running the same hardware setup that I had for XP..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh, so you're using Vista Basic?
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> Nope.. I am running Vista Ultimate.. all bells and whistles..
>>>
>>>
>>
>> So you bought the machine knowing that you would need it for Vista.
>> Enough said and thanks for stepping into the trap.
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> Are you on strong medications?
>
> Any machine supplied with MCE 2005 is well up to the task of running
> Vista. Many hobbyists and all serious gamers had machines which would be
> more than enough to run Vista.
>
> Mine was not supplied with MCE 2005 (it is a home build), neither is it a
> serious gaming machine.
>
> I stepped in no trap, but you are still using FUD to discredit Vista..

I have XP MCE on a AMD X2, and HP also mailed out the Vista CDs.

But I can tell you, XP MCE is what most people want, stable, relatively fast
and compatible. I will never downgrade it with Vista unless Microsoft fixes
the Vista issues good. It will remain my MS-Windows desktop so long as I
need MS.

I have no doubt it would run Vista. But why mess with a perfectly good and
stable working PC?

Alias wrote:

> Kerry Brown wrote:
>
>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>
>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware
>>>>> long before it was released.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very
>>>>> good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista
>>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call
>>>> high end.
>>>>
>>>
>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware
>>> to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the
>>> cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living
>> in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is
>> high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name
>> brand DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run
>> Vista very well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is
>> what I consider to be decent quality.
>>
>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>
>
> No video or audio card? Are these Canadian or US dollars?
>
>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised
>> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could
>> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any
>> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be
>> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is
>> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be
>> another $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00.
>> Maybe you should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live
>> in Spain has impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is
>> relative to where you live. The system specs would not be considered
>> high end anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.
>>
>
> Unfortunately, in Spain, you can't buy a copy of a generic OEM Vista (or
> XP for that matter), only retail, unless you buy a complete computer. If
> I wanted to buy another copy of Vista or XP, I would get a friend to buy
> it in the States and send it to me.
>
> That said, I didn't move to Spain for computer prices. I hate the cold
> and where I live, there's sunshine at least 300 days a year and it never
> goes under 5ºC so Canada is completely out of the question :-)
>
> Alias

So is your ability to tell the truth and admit when you're wrong.
Frank

>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>
> No video or audio card? Are these Canadian or US dollars?

Built onto the motherboard. It's not a high end system :-)

Canadian $ which is pretty much at par these days.

--
Kerry Brown
MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration
http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long
>>> before it was released.
>>>
>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very good
>>> job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista Home
>> Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call high end.
>>
>
> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware to
> build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the cost of
> buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>
> Alias

Ya, I still LOL at that $2000 for Vista and MS-Office Retail full versions
of Ultimate.....

What a farce....hahaha....

Apple, do they do the same? You can buy a nice Apple here for less than MS
software and load Open Office. Or like I did on my new system,
Ubuntu/Fedora/Vista triple boot and of course, Open Office.

"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
news:2E5A8BF6-8DA4-4129-B7D7-A88CF082CEB9@microsoft.com...
> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long
>>>> before it was released.
>>>>
>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very good
>>>> job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista
>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call high
>>> end.
>>>
>>
>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware to
>> build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the cost of
>> buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>
>
>
> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living in
> the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is high end.
> I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name brand DDR2 RAM is
> $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run Vista very well and
> is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is what I consider to be
> decent quality.
>
> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>
> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised
> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could
> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any
> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be stable,
> all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is $125.00,
> Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be another $200.00.
> The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you should move
> to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live in Spain has impacted your
> computing experience. In any case cost is relative to where you live. The
> system specs would not be considered high end anywhere yet Vista runs with
> no problems on it.

You are quoting OEM versions. He is talking the full retail. You know, the
better ones that are complete and recoverable. You also are without office
tools. Add in business or ultimate office tools you are well over the
$1000, more than twice the price of the total hardware package.

Me, got a Q6600, 4GB RAM, 22" wide LCD, 500GB drive, Vista (not so) Premium
x64 OEM, keyboard, mouse, cables, $749 at Best Buy. No assembly required
and a warranty. But I did a refit, to 8GB RAM, 2nd hard drive and a
dedicated 8500GT 256M fanless video.

Runs Vista like a pig (file/network copy specifically), but Ubuntu with
Compiz, smoking hot and fast.

Back to software, sounds like Microsoft is shafting Euros, probably because
of the court decisions for Microsoft anti-competitive business practices.
But at $2000 for a OS and Office full versions, I imagine Macs and Linux are
making serious headway.

And think, Canada have NAFTA free trade with the US and a par dollar. That
Vista OEM is cheaper in the US, 97.87 at MWave. How does it feel to pay 25%
more for being Canadian?

Mind you, that is better than what Alias has to deal with in Spain...ouch...

"Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
news:g0n00k$984$1@aioe.org...
> Kerry Brown wrote:
>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long
>>>>> before it was released.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very good
>>>>> job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista
>>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call
>>>> high end.
>>>>
>>>
>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware to
>>> build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the cost of
>>> buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living in
>> the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is high
>> end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name brand DDR2
>> RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run Vista very
>> well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is what I
>> consider to be decent quality.
>>
>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>
> No video or audio card? Are these Canadian or US dollars?

CAD and USD are near par with each other, have been now for 4 months now or
so. Ok, it fluxuates up and down but it so close it is like the Bank of
Canada is managing it to be par.


>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised
>> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could
>> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any
>> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be
>> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is
>> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be another
>> $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you
>> should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live in Spain has
>> impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is relative to where
>> you live. The system specs would not be considered high end anywhere yet
>> Vista runs with no problems on it.
>>
>
> Unfortunately, in Spain, you can't buy a copy of a generic OEM Vista (or
> XP for that matter), only retail, unless you buy a complete computer. If I
> wanted to buy another copy of Vista or XP, I would get a friend to buy it
> in the States and send it to me.

Here, almost everyone buys the OEM right off the shelf. In fact, one store
I deal with, most retail/full versions are special order only. No one in
their right mind is going to pay full retail for Ultimate Full
Retail...anything.

> That said, I didn't move to Spain for computer prices. I hate the cold and
> where I live, there's sunshine at least 300 days a year and it never goes
> under 5ºC so Canada is completely out of the question :-)
>
> Alias

I hear you there. This is a weird year in Canada. Almost broke record low
temperate a few months ago, -35C. Today, going to 33C and may well be
record temperatures for the day. Screwy. I am contemplating Costa Rica
myself. Snow I don't mind, but that cold just isn't very nice.

You are better off in Spain. Maybe wait until you know someone going to
Canada, Spain or UK and bring a more sanely priced copy back.