XP *and* Vista co-exist in the market?

Alias wrote:

.....Are you Frank's brother?
Alias
-------------------------------------------

I own you don't I? You and mr drunken pig. The two of you can't make a
move without first consulting me.
You two losers are pathetically easy to control.
You both should maybe check to see if either one of you still has any
balls left between your legs.
Frank

"Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> You really should read the web sites you post before posting them.
>>
>> Maybe you should ask them?
>
> They ONLY deliver in the UK. Read the web site you quoted.

Try asking them.

> I don't care, personally, because I buy all my software in the USA and a
> friend mails it to me. The last generic OEM XP Pro I bought was purchased
> from NewEgg. Fact is MS is ripping off EU countries and you are trying to
> defend that practice which, of course, reveals you to be a shill for MS
> and an inconsiderate twit.

No I am just pointing out your lies.
I quite often buy my software by different countries to save cash as many
companies charge what the market will stand which is more than I want to
pay.

Alias wrote:

>
>
> Now you're comparing Vista to peanut butter? LOL! Good comparison!
>
> Alias

Shit! You didn't even have to duck to miss that one...sport!...LOL!
Frank

"Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
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>> But in most cases misinformation by people like alias with stupid claims
>> about security.
>
> Compared to Windows, Ubuntu is still bulletproof. You found one little
> vulnerability and you jumped all over it. Maybe you'll have the same joy
> in another two years.

There are hundreds of holes, just look at the Ubuntu bug reports, there are
a steady stream of them being found all the time.

> It's been patched.

It had been patched before but it still popped up again.

> Live with it.

It shows that your faith in Ubuntu security is based on nothing.
The facts are that Ubuntu is not very secure at all.
Live with it.

>
> Alias

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
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> Talk about being disingenuous. Nothing is more misleading than
> Microsoft's next to useless UAC as far as the false pretence it
> provides "security".

ITYM M$ claims it provides *some* security.

>
> How dumb is UAC?

Not dumb enough for you to use correctly.
>
> Well for starters I can check on it's status from Control Panel and it
> says it is turned on. Every so often it pops up a moronic Windows
> Security Alert warning saying UAC is off and that I should turn it on.
> Typical Microsoft bungling. The left hand doesn't know what the right
> hand is doing.
>
That's what happens when morons like you attempt to hack software.
Re install it and stop tampering with things you don't understand.

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message
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> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message
>> news:eJxDSbGuIHA.4528@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
>>> news:2E5A8BF6-8DA4-4129-B7D7-A88CF082CEB9@microsoft.com...
>>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware
>>>>>>> long before it was released.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very
>>>>>>> good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista
>>>>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call
>>>>>> high end.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware
>>>>> to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the
>>>>> cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living
>>>> in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is
>>>> high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name brand
>>>> DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run Vista
>>>> very well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is what I
>>>> consider to be decent quality.
>>>>
>>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
>>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
>>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
>>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
>>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
>>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
>>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>>>>
>>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised
>>>> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could
>>>> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any
>>>> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be
>>>> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is
>>>> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be
>>>> another $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00.
>>>> Maybe you should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live
>>>> in Spain has impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is
>>>> relative to where you live. The system specs would not be considered
>>>> high end anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Kerry Brown
>>>> MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration
>>>> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kerry
>>>
>>> Prices for everything are higher in Europe than in North America, and
>>> taxation plays its part.
>>>
>>> Don't let Alias fool you into believing that Spain is a peasant country,
>>> because it is anything but peasant. For sure some of the old ways of
>>> life still exist, but Spain is as technologically advanced as most
>>> countries, and has been the only European country growing over the last
>>> few years.
>>>
>>> They may not have the cheap computer fairs as in the UK, but one can get
>>> computers, parts and software at reasonable prices just as one can in
>>> other countries.
>>
>> First, Canada has a tax treaty called NAFTA. Explain:
>> - why is MS products 20-30% higher in Canada, it isn't taxes.
>> - why will US companies sell books, PCs but not MS over the border?
>>
>> Abet, we don't get so screwed as Spain. But if it is local retailers,
>> why not let the users just download it, spit them a PDF with keys and
>> have one (legal) price for the whole world and not this price fixing?
>>
>> Cuts out the middle man too. Shrink wrap is so last century. I don't
>> even load Solaris with physical CD/DVDs any more. Haven't for three
>> years. Ditto Linux. (Yes, Linux loads over a network).
>>
>> Taiwan, real cheap. Eee PC, special price, abet not Vista fatware but XP
>> re-incarnated. You know, the defunct OS. I can get Eee PCs here in
>> Canada for the same price as California, XP or Linux. BTW, over a
>> million Eee PCs with Linux sold. That extra memory is nice.
>>
>> Come now...Microsoft is no longer competitive and is predatory in
>> pricing. Bet I could buy a copy of XP (english) legal cheaper in the
>> orient than in the US, even Redmond.
>>
>> MS is digging its grave.
>>
>
>
> Free trade maybe, but until recently, the exchange rate was not favorable
> for buying US goods in Canada. Now, US products are the same price on both
> sides of the border, but the US will not buy Canadian now because it is
> more expensive than it was..


Yes, last year sometime the $1 CAD was about $1.10 US for a bit, which means
at that time I should have been able to buy it for less CAD than US. But
now at par so lets use that.

Vista Home Premium OEM CAD $119.95
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Product...)/Default.aspx

Vista Home Premium OEM US $97.87
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/DEPTSW.hmx?

Check out Best Buy, bestbuy.ca and bestbuy.com. Vista Ultimate CAD $299 and
US $189 - same company. So if I live in Windsor Ontario, I can go across
the border and save $110, or about 40%.

You will even get worse results if you go to amazon.ca and amazon.com or
compare office. But these stores above are similar and I believe
competitive in their markets. Are all these stores pricing high just to
make MS look bad? Doubtful, Microsoft Canada sets the pricing is my bet.

"Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
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> dennis@home wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
>> news:sO_Xj.149138$Cj7.94542@pd7urf2no...
>>>
>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
>>> news:6C25082F-D4E4-42E7-ACE3-17F5A2572A83@microsoft.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:g0pb4g$dpe$3@aioe.org...
>>>>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:N8OXj.276233$pM4.242810@pd7urf1no...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The more I see your answers to other people, the less I think that
>>>>>>>> you know about computers..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Listen, he is in Spain. EU. They have to pay for the Microsoft
>>>>>>> anti-trust conviction that the US didn't enforce. Predatory pricing
>>>>>>> and the like.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So M$ are guilty of having inflated prices and predatory pricing at
>>>>>> the same time?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nice adoption ground for Linux I bet. I wonder if I should take a
>>>>>>> Spanish course, always liked the people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good for Linux maybe, not so good for Ubuntu anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Really? How so?
>>>>
>>>> People can use a different linux distro and not have a two year
>>>> security hole.. opps no your right the hole buggers up more than
>>>> Ubuntu if you move keys about.
>>>
>>> I think that is the point. Linux isn't WeSaySo corp. Want to run a
>>> different distro, perhaps one that supports your language better, by all
>>> means do so. No one is forcing, cohersing or bundling Linux. When
>>> Linux gains a user, it does so out of free will and choice.
>>
>> But in most cases misinformation by people like alias with stupid claims
>> about security.
>
> Compared to Windows, Ubuntu is still bulletproof. You found one little
> vulnerability and you jumped all over it. Maybe you'll have the same joy
> in another two years. It's been patched. Live with it.
>
> Alias

Alias,

Don't worry, we both know he is wrong. At a Vancouver hack fest Apple and
Vista fell, Ubuntu survived. All OSes and applications have holes, just
some like MS products have more than most others.

The best track record I know of is OpenBSD.

"dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g0pv3o$ts5$5@aioe.org...
>
>
>>> But in most cases misinformation by people like alias with stupid claims
>>> about security.
>>
>> Compared to Windows, Ubuntu is still bulletproof. You found one little
>> vulnerability and you jumped all over it. Maybe you'll have the same joy
>> in another two years.
>
> There are hundreds of holes, just look at the Ubuntu bug reports, there
> are a steady stream of them being found all the time.
>
>> It's been patched.
>
> It had been patched before but it still popped up again.

How many times has a patch failed on MS-Windows? More than I can remember.

F/OSS usually gets patched pretty quick. While in closed source like
MS-Windows, you might get hacked first. Once they realize it is out of the
bag they up the priority for a fix. 6 weeks later after an exploit is in
the wild you might see a fix.

Then there is the level of sophistication in the hack. Usually MS ones are
more sever.

On Sun, 18 May 2008 12:26:55 -0700, Frank <fb@sto.clm> wrote:

>Alias wrote:
>
> .....Are you Frank's brother?
> Alias
>-------------------------------------------
>
>I own you don't I? You and mr drunken pig. The two of you can't make a
>move without first consulting me.
>You two losers are pathetically easy to control.
>You both should maybe check to see if either one of you still has any
>balls left between your legs.
>Frank

If you "control" me, I guess you like me posting a picture of your
wife:

http://www.thepigpage.com/marek/imag...05/Sow32-8.jpg

and mistress:

http://www.infonavigate.com/travels/...0-%20Sheep.jpg

dennis@home wrote:
>
>
> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g0pv3o$ts5$5@aioe.org...
>
>
>>> But in most cases misinformation by people like alias with stupid
>>> claims about security.
>>
>> Compared to Windows, Ubuntu is still bulletproof. You found one little
>> vulnerability and you jumped all over it. Maybe you'll have the same
>> joy in another two years.
>
> There are hundreds of holes, just look at the Ubuntu bug reports, there
> are a steady stream of them being found all the time.
>
>> It's been patched.
>
> It had been patched before but it still popped up again.
>
>> Live with it.
>
> It shows that your faith in Ubuntu security is based on nothing.
> The facts are that Ubuntu is not very secure at all.
> Live with it.
>
>>
>> Alias
>

It was patched in ONE day. MS only patches once a month and usually is
waaaaay behind the hackers. It's like when I went over the top with
Frank twice. Count em. Frank has it saved on his computer and constantly
posts it because IT'S ALL HE HAS! Same is true with this vulnerability.
IT'S ALL YOU HAVE!

And, fact is, compared to Windows of any flavor, Ubuntu is bulletproof.

Alias