XP *and* Vista co-exist in the market?

"dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g0pb4g$dpe$3@aioe.org...
>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
>>> news:N8OXj.276233$pM4.242810@pd7urf1no...
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The more I see your answers to other people, the less I think that you
>>>>> know about computers..
>>>>
>>>> Listen, he is in Spain. EU. They have to pay for the Microsoft
>>>> anti-trust conviction that the US didn't enforce. Predatory pricing
>>>> and the like.
>>>
>>> So M$ are guilty of having inflated prices and predatory pricing at the
>>> same time?
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nice adoption ground for Linux I bet. I wonder if I should take a
>>>> Spanish course, always liked the people.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Good for Linux maybe, not so good for Ubuntu anymore.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Really? How so?
>
> People can use a different linux distro and not have a two year security
> hole.. opps no your right the hole buggers up more than Ubuntu if you
> move keys about.

I think that is the point. Linux isn't WeSaySo corp. Want to run a
different distro, perhaps one that supports your language better, by all
means do so. No one is forcing, cohersing or bundling Linux. When Linux
gains a user, it does so out of free will and choice.

xNIX, Live Free Or Die!
http://www.unix.org/license-plate.html

Canuck57 wrote:
> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g0opho$b9u$2@aioe.org...
>> Canuck57 wrote:
>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%239py6bGuIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:g0n00k$984$1@aioe.org...
>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware
>>>>>>>>> long before it was released.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very
>>>>>>>>> good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista
>>>>>>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call
>>>>>>>> high end.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware
>>>>>>> to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the
>>>>>>> cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living
>>>>>> in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is
>>>>>> high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name
>>>>>> brand DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run
>>>>>> Vista very well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is
>>>>>> what I consider to be decent quality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
>>>>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
>>>>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
>>>>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
>>>>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
>>>>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
>>>>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>>>>> No video or audio card? Are these Canadian or US dollars?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised
>>>>>> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could
>>>>>> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any
>>>>>> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be
>>>>>> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is
>>>>>> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be
>>>>>> another $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00.
>>>>>> Maybe you should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live
>>>>>> in Spain has impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is
>>>>>> relative to where you live. The system specs would not be considered
>>>>>> high end anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, in Spain, you can't buy a copy of a generic OEM Vista
>>>>> (or XP for that matter), only retail, unless you buy a complete
>>>>> computer. If I wanted to buy another copy of Vista or XP, I would get a
>>>>> friend to buy it in the States and send it to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> That said, I didn't move to Spain for computer prices. I hate the cold
>>>>> and where I live, there's sunshine at least 300 days a year and it
>>>>> never goes under 5�C so Canada is completely out of the question :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>> The more I see your answers to other people, the less I think that you
>>>> know about computers..
>>> Listen, he is in Spain. EU. They have to pay for the Microsoft
>>> anti-trust conviction that the US didn't enforce. Predatory pricing and
>>> the like.
>>>
>>> Nice adoption ground for Linux I bet. I wonder if I should take a
>>> Spanish course, always liked the people.
>> In the last year, I have seen Ubuntu discussed in magazines, newspapers
>> and TV. I asked the computer chains which OS was requested the most. XP
>> was first, followed by Ubuntu and Vista.
>>
>> If you're serious about Spain, send me an email.
>>
>> Alias
>
> I would, but need to convince my wife.

Tell her that maids are cheap in Spain :-)

> Technically, I could retire now but
> a little early yet to do that. Will work on this though....

I start getting Social Security benefits in October but I'm not going to
stop working, just keep the businesses in my wife's name.

Alias

DarkSentinel wrote:
>
>
> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message
> news:#OPmiYOuIHA.3792@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:g0opri$di3$1@aioe.org...
>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:g0npar$7o8$2@aioe.org...
>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:2E5A8BF6-8DA4-4129-B7D7-A88CF082CEB9@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end
>>>>>>>>>> hardware long before it was released.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a
>>>>>>>>>> very good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with
>>>>>>>>> Vista Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly
>>>>>>>>> what I'd call high end.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap
>>>>>>>> hardware to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't
>>>>>>>> even cover the cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are
>>>>>>> living in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB
>>>>>>> of RAM is high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada
>>>>>>> 2GB of name brand DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical
>>>>>>> configuration that will run Vista very well and is easily under
>>>>>>> $500.00 for the hardware which is what I consider to be decent
>>>>>>> quality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
>>>>>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
>>>>>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
>>>>>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
>>>>>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
>>>>>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
>>>>>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all
>>>>>>> recognised brand names. If you're not particular about where you
>>>>>>> shop you could probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high
>>>>>>> end. It will run any edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no
>>>>>>> problems. The system will be stable, all drivers are easily
>>>>>>> available. OEM Vista Home Premium is $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A
>>>>>>> decent 19" wide screen LCD would be another $200.00. The complete
>>>>>>> system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you should move to
>>>>>>> Canada. It sounds like your decision to live in Spain has
>>>>>>> impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is relative
>>>>>>> to where you live. The system specs would not be considered high
>>>>>>> end anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Kerry Brown
>>>>>>> MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration
>>>>>>> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kerry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prices for everything are higher in Europe than in North America,
>>>>>> and taxation plays its part.
>>>>>
>>>>> So does MS' iron fist.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't let Alias fool you into believing that Spain is a peasant
>>>>>> country, because it is anything but peasant.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have *never* said that. Frank has but I haven't. I live here and
>>>>> know. Spain is growing by leaps and bounds.
>>>>>
>>>>>> For sure some of the old ways of life still exist, but Spain is as
>>>>>> technologically advanced as most countries, and has been the only
>>>>>> European country growing over the last few years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you think you saying something I don't know?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They may not have the cheap computer fairs as in the UK, but one
>>>>>> can get computers, parts and software at reasonable prices just as
>>>>>> one can in other countries.
>>>>>
>>>>> Parts, yes. MS software, no.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You once claimed that Vista was cheaper in some retail outlets, that
>>>> one didn't have to pay full recommended price everywhere..
>>>
>>> No, I didn't. I said that if you buy it wholesale, it's cheaper.
>>> Nonetheless, it's still cheaper in the US to buy a generic OEM than a
>>> generic OEM here. I have a license to buy wholesale, which means I
>>> can buy generic OEMs. Most people do not.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So software isn't so bad, and cheap parts are readily available. And
>>>> you problem is?
>>>
>>> My problem isn't with Spain but Microsoft for their discriminating
>>> and unfair pricing tactics.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> Its as well you don't drive, otherwise you would have a problem with
>> Ford's EU pricing compared to US too..
>
> He prefers to stick with his little burro Pepe....lol
>

Once again an MS fanboy spews an unfounded insulting lie. Ho hum, how
predictable can you get?

Alias

dennis@home wrote:
>
>
> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g0pr50$dbd$2@aioe.org...
>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:g0pbd5$dpe$4@aioe.org...
>>>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
>>>>> newsHOXj.276267$pM4.195619@pd7urf1no...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Abet, we don't get so screwed as Spain. But if it is local
>>>>>> retailers, why not let the users just download it, spit them a PDF
>>>>>> with keys and have one (legal) price for the whole world and not
>>>>>> this price fixing?
>>>>>
>>>>> Spain is a part of the EU, anyone, including Alias can buy from
>>>>> anywhere in the EU and pay their prices and tax.
>>>>> If anyone really wanted too they can order from ebuyer.co.uk and
>>>>> pay and have it shipped to Spain.
>>>>> The same as I can buy stuff in Germany and have it shipped to the UK.
>>>>> The pricing that alias uses is just a smoke screen, nothing else.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, you're saying the pricing I quoted is a lie and that the stores
>>>> put those prices on their web site are only kidding and sell it for
>>>> less?
>>>>
>>>> Puhlease.
>>>
>>> So you say you can't buy stuff when I have just given you a web site
>>> where you can.
>>> Are saying I am lying?
>>>
>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/123067 if you are build a machine only
>>> ~90 euros.
>>> Maybe you qualify for this http://www.ebuyer.com/product/142780
>>> then there are other places too.
>>> Of course if you *need* Spanish maybe the ultimate edition is best.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>
>> LOL! See this and see if you can find how much they charge to ship to
>> Spain:
>>
>> http://www.ebuyer.com/special/1293
>>
>> You really should read the web sites you post before posting them.
>
> Maybe you should ask them?

They ONLY deliver in the UK. Read the web site you quoted. I don't care,
personally, because I buy all my software in the USA and a friend mails
it to me. The last generic OEM XP Pro I bought was purchased from
NewEgg. Fact is MS is ripping off EU countries and you are trying to
defend that practice which, of course, reveals you to be a shill for MS
and an inconsiderate twit.

Alias

"Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
news:sO_Xj.149138$Cj7.94542@pd7urf2no...
>
> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
> news:6C25082F-D4E4-42E7-ACE3-17F5A2572A83@microsoft.com...
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:g0pb4g$dpe$3@aioe.org...
>>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:N8OXj.276233$pM4.242810@pd7urf1no...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The more I see your answers to other people, the less I think that
>>>>>> you know about computers..
>>>>>
>>>>> Listen, he is in Spain. EU. They have to pay for the Microsoft
>>>>> anti-trust conviction that the US didn't enforce. Predatory pricing
>>>>> and the like.
>>>>
>>>> So M$ are guilty of having inflated prices and predatory pricing at the
>>>> same time?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice adoption ground for Linux I bet. I wonder if I should take a
>>>>> Spanish course, always liked the people.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good for Linux maybe, not so good for Ubuntu anymore.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Really? How so?
>>
>> People can use a different linux distro and not have a two year security
>> hole.. opps no your right the hole buggers up more than Ubuntu if you
>> move keys about.
>
> I think that is the point. Linux isn't WeSaySo corp. Want to run a
> different distro, perhaps one that supports your language better, by all
> means do so. No one is forcing, cohersing or bundling Linux. When Linux
> gains a user, it does so out of free will and choice.

But in most cases misinformation by people like alias with stupid claims
about security.

>
> xNIX, Live Free Or Die!
> http://www.unix.org/license-plate.html
>

DarkSentinel wrote:
>
>
> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
> news:CC2EC0D6-ECA6-4CD1-9B9D-92884EBC77C6@microsoft.com...
>>>
>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long
>>> before it was released.
>>>
>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very
>>> good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista
>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call
>> high end.
>
> I got my Acer on eBay for $275, and it flies with VHP.

Do you think pigs fly too?

Alias

DarkSentinel wrote:
> "the wharf rat" <wrat@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:g0k0ug$1f1$1@reader2.panix.com...
>> In article <u6ihweztIHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,
>> Steve Thackery <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Obviously the marketing machine in Microsoft isn't stupid, and they must
>>> have considered this. Does anyone know - or have an opinion - on why
>>> Microsoft are forcing their customers to use Vista after next month,
>>> even if
>>> it makes the customer unhappy?
>>>
>>
>> Because Vista requires that you purchase new hardware and new software
>> in addition to the new operating system. That makes Microsoft
>> business partners
>> and subsidiaries happy. Microsoft is far more concerned with keeping
>> those
>> entities happy than with anything a customer might think.
>
> And all you are doing is regurgitating what has been said EVERY time a
> new OS has been rolled out. It's called progress skippy.

Now you're comparing Vista to peanut butter? LOL! Good comparison!

Alias

dennis@home wrote:
>
>
> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
> news:sO_Xj.149138$Cj7.94542@pd7urf2no...
>>
>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
>> news:6C25082F-D4E4-42E7-ACE3-17F5A2572A83@microsoft.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:g0pb4g$dpe$3@aioe.org...
>>>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:N8OXj.276233$pM4.242810@pd7urf1no...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The more I see your answers to other people, the less I think
>>>>>>> that you know about computers..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Listen, he is in Spain. EU. They have to pay for the Microsoft
>>>>>> anti-trust conviction that the US didn't enforce. Predatory
>>>>>> pricing and the like.
>>>>>
>>>>> So M$ are guilty of having inflated prices and predatory pricing at
>>>>> the same time?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice adoption ground for Linux I bet. I wonder if I should take a
>>>>>> Spanish course, always liked the people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good for Linux maybe, not so good for Ubuntu anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Really? How so?
>>>
>>> People can use a different linux distro and not have a two year
>>> security hole.. opps no your right the hole buggers up more than
>>> Ubuntu if you move keys about.
>>
>> I think that is the point. Linux isn't WeSaySo corp. Want to run a
>> different distro, perhaps one that supports your language better, by
>> all means do so. No one is forcing, cohersing or bundling Linux.
>> When Linux gains a user, it does so out of free will and choice.
>
> But in most cases misinformation by people like alias with stupid claims
> about security.

Compared to Windows, Ubuntu is still bulletproof. You found one little
vulnerability and you jumped all over it. Maybe you'll have the same joy
in another two years. It's been patched. Live with it.

Alias

On Sun, 18 May 2008 20:02:25 +0100, "dennis@home"
<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>
>
>
>"Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
>news:sO_Xj.149138$Cj7.94542@pd7urf2no...
>>
>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
>> news:6C25082F-D4E4-42E7-ACE3-17F5A2572A83@microsoft.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:g0pb4g$dpe$3@aioe.org...
>>>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:N8OXj.276233$pM4.242810@pd7urf1no...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The more I see your answers to other people, the less I think that
>>>>>>> you know about computers..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Listen, he is in Spain. EU. They have to pay for the Microsoft
>>>>>> anti-trust conviction that the US didn't enforce. Predatory pricing
>>>>>> and the like.
>>>>>
>>>>> So M$ are guilty of having inflated prices and predatory pricing at the
>>>>> same time?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice adoption ground for Linux I bet. I wonder if I should take a
>>>>>> Spanish course, always liked the people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good for Linux maybe, not so good for Ubuntu anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Really? How so?
>>>
>>> People can use a different linux distro and not have a two year security
>>> hole.. opps no your right the hole buggers up more than Ubuntu if you
>>> move keys about.
>>
>> I think that is the point. Linux isn't WeSaySo corp. Want to run a
>> different distro, perhaps one that supports your language better, by all
>> means do so. No one is forcing, cohersing or bundling Linux. When Linux
>> gains a user, it does so out of free will and choice.
>
>But in most cases misinformation by people like alias with stupid claims
>about security.

Talk about being disingenuous. Nothing is more misleading than
Microsoft's next to useless UAC as far as the false pretence it
provides "security".

How dumb is UAC?

Well for starters I can check on it's status from Control Panel and it
says it is turned on. Every so often it pops up a moronic Windows
Security Alert warning saying UAC is off and that I should turn it on.
Typical Microsoft bungling. The left hand doesn't know what the right
hand is doing.

Alias wrote:
> dennis@home wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:g0pr50$dbd$2@aioe.org...
>>
>>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:g0pbd5$dpe$4@aioe.org...
>>>>
>>>>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> newsHOXj.276267$pM4.195619@pd7urf1no...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Abet, we don't get so screwed as Spain. But if it is local
>>>>>>> retailers, why not let the users just download it, spit them a
>>>>>>> PDF with keys and have one (legal) price for the whole world and
>>>>>>> not this price fixing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spain is a part of the EU, anyone, including Alias can buy from
>>>>>> anywhere in the EU and pay their prices and tax.
>>>>>> If anyone really wanted too they can order from ebuyer.co.uk and
>>>>>> pay and have it shipped to Spain.
>>>>>> The same as I can buy stuff in Germany and have it shipped to the UK.
>>>>>> The pricing that alias uses is just a smoke screen, nothing else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So, you're saying the pricing I quoted is a lie and that the stores
>>>>> put those prices on their web site are only kidding and sell it for
>>>>> less?
>>>>>
>>>>> Puhlease.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So you say you can't buy stuff when I have just given you a web site
>>>> where you can.
>>>> Are saying I am lying?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/123067 if you are build a machine only
>>>> ~90 euros.
>>>> Maybe you qualify for this http://www.ebuyer.com/product/142780
>>>> then there are other places too.
>>>> Of course if you *need* Spanish maybe the ultimate edition is best.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> LOL! See this and see if you can find how much they charge to ship to
>>> Spain:
>>>
>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/special/1293
>>>
>>> You really should read the web sites you post before posting them.
>>
>>
>> Maybe you should ask them?
>
>
> They ONLY deliver in the UK. Read the web site you quoted. I don't care,
> personally, because I buy all my software in the USA and a friend mails
> it to me. The last generic OEM XP Pro I bought was purchased from
> NewEgg. Fact is...

No that is not a fact. That is your idea of MS bashing.

MS is ripping off EU countries and you are trying to
> defend that practice which, of course, reveals you to be a shill for MS
> and an inconsiderate twit.

Get it up alias...you're now lying...again...as usual.
Frank