Windows Vista is slowing the Navy down ??

John wrote:
> Steve de Mena wrote:
>> John wrote:
>>>
>>> "Steve de Mena" <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote in message
>>> news:qfudncEI1P8olLDVnZ2dnUVZ_qzinZ2d@giganews.com ...
>>>> hsyq8xg@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> www.gcn.com/print/27_8/46117-1.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting quotes --
>>>>>
>>>>> “We have achieved the promises of Moore’s Law,”
>>>>>
>>>>> “Much more pervasive now is the problem with software.”
>>>>>
>>>>> “Software is getting bigger and more complex,"
>>>>>
>>>>> "The Windows Vista operating system is so much bigger than its
>>>>> predecessors, that it is not any faster even though processing speeds
>>>>> have increased.”
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> = = = ==================================
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't see anywhere in this article where they say what OSs they
>>>> are using.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>
>>> Advocating junk again AS USUAL I see.
>>
>> I was making a statement of FACT, as usual.
>>
>> Stev
>
>
> No you stated NO FACT. The article clearly mentioned Vista.

Since I know from our previous discussions that you are a little slow,
I'll say it again, a little slower this time....

"I don't see anywhere in this article where they say what OSs they are
using."

Steve

"Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
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> I remember reading that at the time it happened. I would have thought the
> navy would have used something much more stable for critical operations.
> Also more secure, like OpenBSD or something. Also cluster them for fail
> over.

Clustering doesn't help with application software faults.
Its a common mistake people make, like thinking RAID is a substitute for
backups.


> Using NT was stupid, could have been real bad if they failed in an active
> combat war zone at sea.

Any application software failing during combat could be a problem.
That is why they like mature software on military systems.

"Bruce Grubb" <bgrubb@zianet.com> wrote in message
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> When I went to college in the mid 1980's our physics book used metric so I
> couldn't understand this. I mean why on Earth would anyone outside the
> automotive industry use English standard units?!

If you look at the engineering you will find the automotive industry is
metric.

"dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> <hsyq8xg@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e18a23ab-2f89-4da8-9dc3-cdd9a1ac677b@1g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> A poor troll..
> the important bit is
>
>>>>>
> “Software gets slower because the data operating over a network is
> increasing faster than computer processing rates,” Hull said.
>
> Some satellites generate several gigabytes of data per second, Hull
> said. “The next generation may be terabytes of information per
> second,” he said. “If a computer has to deal with 100 times or 1,000
> times the amount of data today than it did yesterday, it’s going to be
> swamped.”
> <<<<<
>
>
> Its the same for all OSes so you can insert any OS you like and the post
> means the same.
>
> In fact you probably can't insert windows there at all as its unlikely to
> run the processing of terabytes of data from a satellite and it certainly
> will not be Vista as it hasn't been around long enough and is a desktop
> OS.

Erm, doesn't the military have operating systems that are top secret? If
they use windows or any of the other large operating systems it's for normal
stuff like record keeping and files. They don't guide satellites or missiles
with it or navigate ships.




>
> follow ups set!

In article <9t96hqagi7vh.172qilsj253n$.dlg@40tude.net>,
Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 16 May 2008 19:55:15 -0600, Bruce Grubb wrote:
>
> > In article <1l1i4zt4ow56w.1le5ew7pmd4of$.dlg@40tude.net>,
> > Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 16 May 2008 17:00:21 -0500, Ivan Marsh wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 17:57:01 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 16:47:58 -0500, Ivan Marsh wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 14:06:43 -0700, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ivan Marsh <ivanmarsh@yahoo.com>
> >>>>>> wrote
> >>>>> At least Java went to Mars.
> >>>>
> >>>> Was Java running the innards of that 40 million dollar Tonka Toy that
> >>>> went brain dead on Mars 10 minutes after it landed?
> >>>
> >>> Suggesting that hitting Mars much less landing safely on the surface is
> >>> trivial?
> >>
> >> Not at all.
> >>
> >> The thing fscked up.
> >>
> >> I'm just wondering if Java was what fscked it up.
> >
> > Might have been who ever NASA used as the subcontracter. Remember how
> > Lockheed Martin went off and put English standard units into equations
> > designed for Metric units and got the Mars Climate Orbiter clobbered?
>
> I believe they did a similar thing with the Hubble as well.
> One team was using English the other metric.
>
> Personally, as an Engineer, I could never understand the reasoning for
> Englsih vs MKS.
>
> > When I went to college in the mid 1980's our physics book used metric so I
> > couldn't understand this. I mean why on Earth would anyone outside the
> > automotive industry use English standard units?!
>
> The problem is thinking and converting.
>
> Example: Typical American (like me) knows a foot is *this long* (stretch
> your arms out) but has no idea how big a meter is.

I guess it is all a matter of when you grew up. My youth was filled with
those little metric shows on PBS that were basically 30 min PSAs. I still
remember that a meter is just a little longer than a yard, a dime is about
1 mm in thickness, and that a cubic decimeter = 1 liter = 1 kilogram which
is around 2.2 pounds. I also remember the old pint is a pound (ie 16
ounces) of the common system as well.

> They are constantly trying to convert which makes a mess of things.
>
> If they were taught in terms of MKS their would be no problem.

Strange thing is that the University of Utah taught ALL its physics courses
in metric in the mid 1980's. I guess I thought that is the way all
universities of that time taught their courses.

Steve de Mena wrote:
> hsyq8xg@gmail.com wrote:
>> www.gcn.com/print/27_8/46117-1.html
>>
>> Interesting quotes --
>> “We have achieved the promises of Moore’s Law,”
>> “Much more pervasive now is the problem with software.”
>> “Software is getting bigger and more complex,"
>> "The Windows Vista operating system is so much bigger than its
>> predecessors, that it is not any faster even though processing speeds
>> have increased.”
> I don't see anywhere in this article where they say what OSs they are
> using.

There are a number of different operating systems in use at the US-armed
forces including Linux and microsoft. The recent years DARPA has
financed quite many Linux based projects, of course those projects
usually aren't for desktop use, and of course it's cheaper to blow up a
computer with Linux than one with microsoft, as you may loose the
license when you no longer have the original hardware left, otherwise
those missiles would need to eject the on board "computer" and the NAVY
SEALS has to do "rescue" missions to retrieve those machines


--

//Aho

On Sat, 17 May 2008 09:12:13 -0600, Bruce Grubb wrote:

> In article <9t96hqagi7vh.172qilsj253n$.dlg@40tude.net>,
> Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 19:55:15 -0600, Bruce Grubb wrote:
>>
>>> In article <1l1i4zt4ow56w.1le5ew7pmd4of$.dlg@40tude.net>,
>>> Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 17:00:21 -0500, Ivan Marsh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 17:57:01 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 16:47:58 -0500, Ivan Marsh wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 14:06:43 -0700, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ivan Marsh <ivanmarsh@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote
>>>>>>> At least Java went to Mars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Was Java running the innards of that 40 million dollar Tonka Toy that
>>>>>> went brain dead on Mars 10 minutes after it landed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Suggesting that hitting Mars much less landing safely on the surface is
>>>>> trivial?
>>>>
>>>> Not at all.
>>>>
>>>> The thing fscked up.
>>>>
>>>> I'm just wondering if Java was what fscked it up.
>>>
>>> Might have been who ever NASA used as the subcontracter. Remember how
>>> Lockheed Martin went off and put English standard units into equations
>>> designed for Metric units and got the Mars Climate Orbiter clobbered?
>>
>> I believe they did a similar thing with the Hubble as well.
>> One team was using English the other metric.
>>
>> Personally, as an Engineer, I could never understand the reasoning for
>> Englsih vs MKS.
>>
>>> When I went to college in the mid 1980's our physics book used metric so I
>>> couldn't understand this. I mean why on Earth would anyone outside the
>>> automotive industry use English standard units?!
>>
>> The problem is thinking and converting.
>>
>> Example: Typical American (like me) knows a foot is *this long* (stretch
>> your arms out) but has no idea how big a meter is.
>
> I guess it is all a matter of when you grew up. My youth was filled with
> those little metric shows on PBS that were basically 30 min PSAs. I still
> remember that a meter is just a little longer than a yard, a dime is about
> 1 mm in thickness, and that a cubic decimeter = 1 liter = 1 kilogram which
> is around 2.2 pounds. I also remember the old pint is a pound (ie 16
> ounces) of the common system as well.
>
>> They are constantly trying to convert which makes a mess of things.
>>
>> If they were taught in terms of MKS their would be no problem.
>
> Strange thing is that the University of Utah taught ALL its physics courses
> in metric in the mid 1980's. I guess I thought that is the way all
> universities of that time taught their courses.

They taught both systems when I was in engineering school in the late 70's
but the MKS system was used for the courses and the English system was just
taught to illustrate the differences.

--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Bruce Grubb wrote:
> In article <9t96hqagi7vh.172qilsj253n$.dlg@40tude.net>,
> Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 19:55:15 -0600, Bruce Grubb wrote:
>>
>>> In article <1l1i4zt4ow56w.1le5ew7pmd4of$.dlg@40tude.net>,
>>> Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 17:00:21 -0500, Ivan Marsh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 17:57:01 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 16:47:58 -0500, Ivan Marsh wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 14:06:43 -0700, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ivan Marsh <ivanmarsh@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote
>>>>>>> At least Java went to Mars.
>>>>>> Was Java running the innards of that 40 million dollar Tonka Toy that
>>>>>> went brain dead on Mars 10 minutes after it landed?
>>>>> Suggesting that hitting Mars much less landing safely on the surface is
>>>>> trivial?
>>>> Not at all.
>>>>
>>>> The thing fscked up.
>>>>
>>>> I'm just wondering if Java was what fscked it up.
>>> Might have been who ever NASA used as the subcontracter. Remember how
>>> Lockheed Martin went off and put English standard units into equations
>>> designed for Metric units and got the Mars Climate Orbiter clobbered?
>> I believe they did a similar thing with the Hubble as well.
>> One team was using English the other metric.
>>
>> Personally, as an Engineer, I could never understand the reasoning for
>> Englsih vs MKS.
>>
>>> When I went to college in the mid 1980's our physics book used metric so I
>>> couldn't understand this. I mean why on Earth would anyone outside the
>>> automotive industry use English standard units?!
>> The problem is thinking and converting.
>>
>> Example: Typical American (like me) knows a foot is *this long* (stretch
>> your arms out) but has no idea how big a meter is.
>
> I guess it is all a matter of when you grew up. My youth was filled with
> those little metric shows on PBS that were basically 30 min PSAs. I still
> remember that a meter is just a little longer than a yard, a dime is about
> 1 mm in thickness, and that a cubic decimeter = 1 liter = 1 kilogram which
> is around 2.2 pounds. I also remember the old pint is a pound (ie 16
> ounces) of the common system as well.
>
>> They are constantly trying to convert which makes a mess of things.
>>
>> If they were taught in terms of MKS their would be no problem.
>
> Strange thing is that the University of Utah taught ALL its physics courses
> in metric in the mid 1980's. I guess I thought that is the way all
> universities of that time taught their courses.


Well US standards ARE based on the metric system

http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/

And this is from Wikipedia

The use of two different systems was the root cause in the loss of the
Mars Climate Orbiter in 1998. NASA specified metric units in the
contract. NASA and other organizations worked in metric units but one
subcontractor, Lockheed Martin, provided thruster performance data to
the team in pound force seconds instead of newton seconds. The
spacecraft was intended to orbit Mars at about 150 kilometers (93 mi)
altitude, but the incorrect data meant that it probably descended
instead to about 57 kilometers (35 mi), burning up in the Martian
atmosphere.

"Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9t96hqagi7vh.172qilsj253n$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Fri, 16 May 2008 19:55:15 -0600, Bruce Grubb wrote:
>
>> In article <1l1i4zt4ow56w.1le5ew7pmd4of$.dlg@40tude.net>,
>> Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 17:00:21 -0500, Ivan Marsh wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 17:57:01 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 16:47:58 -0500, Ivan Marsh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 14:06:43 -0700, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ivan Marsh <ivanmarsh@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> wrote
>>>>>> At least Java went to Mars.
>>>>>
>>>>> Was Java running the innards of that 40 million dollar Tonka Toy that
>>>>> went brain dead on Mars 10 minutes after it landed?
>>>>
>>>> Suggesting that hitting Mars much less landing safely on the surface is
>>>> trivial?
>>>
>>> Not at all.
>>>
>>> The thing fscked up.
>>>
>>> I'm just wondering if Java was what fscked it up.
>>
>> Might have been who ever NASA used as the subcontracter. Remember how
>> Lockheed Martin went off and put English standard units into equations
>> designed for Metric units and got the Mars Climate Orbiter clobbered?
>
> I believe they did a similar thing with the Hubble as well.
> One team was using English the other metric.
>
> Personally, as an Engineer, I could never understand the reasoning for
> Englsih vs MKS.
>
>> When I went to college in the mid 1980's our physics book used metric so
>> I
>> couldn't understand this. I mean why on Earth would anyone outside the
>> automotive industry use English standard units?!
>
> The problem is thinking and converting.
>
> Example: Typical American (like me) knows a foot is *this long* (stretch
> your arms out) but has no idea how big a meter is.
> They are constantly trying to convert which makes a mess of things.
>
> If they were taught in terms of MKS their would be no problem.

Anyone in engineering and science had better know MKS. Not 100% sure of
this, but is not the US the last market on earth using metric? Even the
British sell gas by the litre.

"Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> writes:

> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9t96hqagi7vh.172qilsj253n$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 19:55:15 -0600, Bruce Grubb wrote:
>>
>>> In article <1l1i4zt4ow56w.1le5ew7pmd4of$.dlg@40tude.net>,
>>> Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 17:00:21 -0500, Ivan Marsh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 17:57:01 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 16:47:58 -0500, Ivan Marsh wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 14:06:43 -0700, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ivan Marsh <ivanmarsh@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote
>>>>>>> At least Java went to Mars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Was Java running the innards of that 40 million dollar Tonka Toy that
>>>>>> went brain dead on Mars 10 minutes after it landed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Suggesting that hitting Mars much less landing safely on the surface is
>>>>> trivial?
>>>>
>>>> Not at all.
>>>>
>>>> The thing fscked up.
>>>>
>>>> I'm just wondering if Java was what fscked it up.
>>>
>>> Might have been who ever NASA used as the subcontracter. Remember how
>>> Lockheed Martin went off and put English standard units into equations
>>> designed for Metric units and got the Mars Climate Orbiter clobbered?
>>
>> I believe they did a similar thing with the Hubble as well.
>> One team was using English the other metric.
>>
>> Personally, as an Engineer, I could never understand the reasoning for
>> Englsih vs MKS.
>>
>>> When I went to college in the mid 1980's our physics book used metric so
>>> I
>>> couldn't understand this. I mean why on Earth would anyone outside the
>>> automotive industry use English standard units?!
>>
>> The problem is thinking and converting.
>>
>> Example: Typical American (like me) knows a foot is *this long* (stretch
>> your arms out) but has no idea how big a meter is.
>> They are constantly trying to convert which makes a mess of things.
>>
>> If they were taught in terms of MKS their would be no problem.
>
> Anyone in engineering and science had better know MKS. Not 100% sure of
> this, but is not the US the last market on earth using metric? Even the
> British sell gas by the litre.

Is there some subtle joke in this ludicrous statement?