Re: How to keep making money while making CRAP products?

On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:22:54 +0300, "Chin Yang"
<ChinYang@sangaimarket.ch> wrote:

>Im fed up reading posts about how MS has sold 140 million liscences of
>Vista, trying to feed us the notion
>that somehow vista is actually a successful product.

What do you expect from the simpletons that hang out here? It is all
how you look at the numbers. Microsoft claims it has around a billion
Windows installs worldwide. If "only" 140 million licenses have been
rendered for Vista that's roughly 10% of the install base that have
upgraded and Vista has been out over a year.

It is even more revealing when you look at how Microsoft cooks the
numbers. It isn't raw sales, not even close, much of their Vista
number is for licenses in some pre build box that HP, Dell, others
HOPE to sell. I would suspect (but don't know) that the number also
includes boxes not yet sold. Then we have the question of how many
people actually replace the preinstalled Vista with something else.

A real test would be the number of copies of Vista that have been
activated. That Microsoft won't tell and I'll wager it at best is a
fraction of that tossed around 140 million number.

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:22:54 +0300, "Chin Yang"
> <ChinYang@sangaimarket.ch> wrote:
>
>>Im fed up reading posts about how MS has sold 140 million liscences of
>>Vista, trying to feed us the notion
>>that somehow vista is actually a successful product.
>
> What do you expect from the simpletons that hang out here? It is all
> how you look at the numbers. Microsoft claims it has around a billion
> Windows installs worldwide. If "only" 140 million licenses have been
> rendered for Vista that's roughly 10% of the install base that have
> upgraded and Vista has been out over a year.
>
> It is even more revealing when you look at how Microsoft cooks the
> numbers. It isn't raw sales, not even close, much of their Vista
> number is for licenses in some pre build box that HP, Dell, others
> HOPE to sell. I would suspect (but don't know) that the number also
> includes boxes not yet sold. Then we have the question of how many
> people actually replace the preinstalled Vista with something else.
>
> A real test would be the number of copies of Vista that have been
> activated. That Microsoft won't tell and I'll wager it at best is a
> fraction of that tossed around 140 million number.

And better yet, how many show up registered than after 2-4 weeks do not call
home for updates any more.

We do know this, the XP sales were unexpectedly up by 50% or something.
That means a lot of people are paying the double dip to get rid of Vista.

Canuck57 wrote:

> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
> news4m924hh8ff7fjupnju1mefc7a4g6mm12u@4ax.com...
>
>>On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:22:54 +0300, "Chin Yang"
>><ChinYang@sangaimarket.ch> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Im fed up reading posts about how MS has sold 140 million liscences of
>>>Vista, trying to feed us the notion
>>>that somehow vista is actually a successful product.
>>
>>What do you expect from the simpletons that hang out here? It is all
>>how you look at the numbers. Microsoft claims it has around a billion
>>Windows installs worldwide. If "only" 140 million licenses have been
>>rendered for Vista that's roughly 10% of the install base that have
>>upgraded and Vista has been out over a year.
>>
>>It is even more revealing when you look at how Microsoft cooks the
>>numbers. It isn't raw sales, not even close, much of their Vista
>>number is for licenses in some pre build box that HP, Dell, others
>>HOPE to sell. I would suspect (but don't know) that the number also
>>includes boxes not yet sold. Then we have the question of how many
>>people actually replace the preinstalled Vista with something else.
>>
>>A real test would be the number of copies of Vista that have been
>>activated. That Microsoft won't tell and I'll wager it at best is a
>>fraction of that tossed around 140 million number.
>
>
> And better yet, how many show up registered than after 2-4 weeks do not call
> home for updates any more.
>
> We do know this, the XP sales were unexpectedly up by 50% or something.
> That means a lot of people are paying the double dip to get rid of Vista.
>
>
If you had a functioning brain you might be able to get a job.
Well, maybe...LOL!
Frank

"Frank" <fb@signm.crt> wrote in message
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> Canuck57 wrote:
>
>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>> news4m924hh8ff7fjupnju1mefc7a4g6mm12u@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:22:54 +0300, "Chin Yang"
>>><ChinYang@sangaimarket.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Im fed up reading posts about how MS has sold 140 million liscences of
>>>>Vista, trying to feed us the notion
>>>>that somehow vista is actually a successful product.
>>>
>>>What do you expect from the simpletons that hang out here? It is all
>>>how you look at the numbers. Microsoft claims it has around a billion
>>>Windows installs worldwide. If "only" 140 million licenses have been
>>>rendered for Vista that's roughly 10% of the install base that have
>>>upgraded and Vista has been out over a year.
>>>
>>>It is even more revealing when you look at how Microsoft cooks the
>>>numbers. It isn't raw sales, not even close, much of their Vista
>>>number is for licenses in some pre build box that HP, Dell, others
>>>HOPE to sell. I would suspect (but don't know) that the number also
>>>includes boxes not yet sold. Then we have the question of how many
>>>people actually replace the preinstalled Vista with something else.
>>>
>>>A real test would be the number of copies of Vista that have been
>>>activated. That Microsoft won't tell and I'll wager it at best is a
>>>fraction of that tossed around 140 million number.
>>
>>
>> And better yet, how many show up registered than after 2-4 weeks do not
>> call home for updates any more.
>>
>> We do know this, the XP sales were unexpectedly up by 50% or something.
>> That means a lot of people are paying the double dip to get rid of Vista.
> If you had a functioning brain you might be able to get a job.
> Well, maybe...LOL!
> Frank

Don't have to. Semi-retired fool. Notice you appear unemployed and day
posting.

Interestingly still no one else is coming close to them in the market other than themselves.
It must be good being your own competitor.

"> It is even more revealing when you look at how Microsoft cooks the
> numbers" - Quote you.

Tell us, or me, how do they cook the numbers?

- GorkusPuss

Adam Albright wrote:
> On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:22:54 +0300, "Chin Yang"
> <ChinYang@sangaimarket.ch> wrote:
>
>> Im fed up reading posts about how MS has sold 140 million liscences of
>> Vista, trying to feed us the notion
>> that somehow vista is actually a successful product.
>
> What do you expect from the simpletons that hang out here? It is all
> how you look at the numbers. Microsoft claims it has around a billion
> Windows installs worldwide. If "only" 140 million licenses have been
> rendered for Vista that's roughly 10% of the install base that have
> upgraded and Vista has been out over a year.
>
> It is even more revealing when you look at how Microsoft cooks the
> numbers. It isn't raw sales, not even close, much of their Vista
> number is for licenses in some pre build box that HP, Dell, others
> HOPE to sell. I would suspect (but don't know) that the number also
> includes boxes not yet sold. Then we have the question of how many
> people actually replace the preinstalled Vista with something else.
>
> A real test would be the number of copies of Vista that have been
> activated. That Microsoft won't tell and I'll wager it at best is a
> fraction of that tossed around 140 million number.
>

Canuck57 wrote:

> "Frank" <fb@signm.crt> wrote in message
> news:4824e435$0$30498$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>>Canuck57 wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>news4m924hh8ff7fjupnju1mefc7a4g6mm12u@4ax.com ...
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:22:54 +0300, "Chin Yang"
>>>><ChinYang@sangaimarket.ch> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Im fed up reading posts about how MS has sold 140 million liscences of
>>>>>Vista, trying to feed us the notion
>>>>>that somehow vista is actually a successful product.
>>>>
>>>>What do you expect from the simpletons that hang out here? It is all
>>>>how you look at the numbers. Microsoft claims it has around a billion
>>>>Windows installs worldwide. If "only" 140 million licenses have been
>>>>rendered for Vista that's roughly 10% of the install base that have
>>>>upgraded and Vista has been out over a year.
>>>>
>>>>It is even more revealing when you look at how Microsoft cooks the
>>>>numbers. It isn't raw sales, not even close, much of their Vista
>>>>number is for licenses in some pre build box that HP, Dell, others
>>>>HOPE to sell. I would suspect (but don't know) that the number also
>>>>includes boxes not yet sold. Then we have the question of how many
>>>>people actually replace the preinstalled Vista with something else.
>>>>
>>>>A real test would be the number of copies of Vista that have been
>>>>activated. That Microsoft won't tell and I'll wager it at best is a
>>>>fraction of that tossed around 140 million number.
>>>
>>>
>>>And better yet, how many show up registered than after 2-4 weeks do not
>>>call home for updates any more.
>>>
>>>We do know this, the XP sales were unexpectedly up by 50% or something.
>>>That means a lot of people are paying the double dip to get rid of Vista.
>>
>>If you had a functioning brain you might be able to get a job.
>>Well, maybe...LOL!
>>Frank
>
>
> Don't have to. Semi-retired fool. Notice you appear unemployed and day
> posting.
>
>
Sorry loser, I own the company which I'm in the process of selling to
one of my oldest employees.
I'm only here to make sure the transition goes smoothly.
In the mean time I like busting the balls of losers like you!...LOL!
Frank

"Frank" <fb@signm.crt> wrote in message
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> Canuck57 wrote:
>
>> "Frank" <fb@signm.crt> wrote in message
>> news:4824e435$0$30498$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>>>Canuck57 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>>news4m924hh8ff7fjupnju1mefc7a4g6mm12u@4ax.co m...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:22:54 +0300, "Chin Yang"
>>>>><ChinYang@sangaimarket.ch> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Im fed up reading posts about how MS has sold 140 million liscences of
>>>>>>Vista, trying to feed us the notion
>>>>>>that somehow vista is actually a successful product.
>>>>>
>>>>>What do you expect from the simpletons that hang out here? It is all
>>>>>how you look at the numbers. Microsoft claims it has around a billion
>>>>>Windows installs worldwide. If "only" 140 million licenses have been
>>>>>rendered for Vista that's roughly 10% of the install base that have
>>>>>upgraded and Vista has been out over a year.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is even more revealing when you look at how Microsoft cooks the
>>>>>numbers. It isn't raw sales, not even close, much of their Vista
>>>>>number is for licenses in some pre build box that HP, Dell, others
>>>>>HOPE to sell. I would suspect (but don't know) that the number also
>>>>>includes boxes not yet sold. Then we have the question of how many
>>>>>people actually replace the preinstalled Vista with something else.
>>>>>
>>>>>A real test would be the number of copies of Vista that have been
>>>>>activated. That Microsoft won't tell and I'll wager it at best is a
>>>>>fraction of that tossed around 140 million number.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>And better yet, how many show up registered than after 2-4 weeks do not
>>>>call home for updates any more.
>>>>
>>>>We do know this, the XP sales were unexpectedly up by 50% or something.
>>>>That means a lot of people are paying the double dip to get rid of
>>>>Vista.
>>>
>>>If you had a functioning brain you might be able to get a job.
>>>Well, maybe...LOL!
>>>Frank
>>
>>
>> Don't have to. Semi-retired fool. Notice you appear unemployed and day
>> posting.
> Sorry loser, I own the company which I'm in the process of selling to one
> of my oldest employees.
> I'm only here to make sure the transition goes smoothly.
> In the mean time I like busting the balls of losers like you!...LOL!
> Frank

The reason you don't feel your busted balls, is that they were broken beyond
hope quite some time ago.

LOL. Need to get PAN for XP, so I can killfile you. Or use Ubuntu where you
are killfiled.

On Fri, 09 May 2008 17:14:35 -0700, Frank <fb@signm.crt> wrote:

>Canuck57 wrote:
>
>> "Frank" <fb@signm.crt> wrote in message
>> news:4824e435$0$30498$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>>>Canuck57 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>>news4m924hh8ff7fjupnju1mefc7a4g6mm12u@4ax.co m...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:22:54 +0300, "Chin Yang"
>>>>><ChinYang@sangaimarket.ch> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Im fed up reading posts about how MS has sold 140 million liscences of
>>>>>>Vista, trying to feed us the notion
>>>>>>that somehow vista is actually a successful product.
>>>>>
>>>>>What do you expect from the simpletons that hang out here? It is all
>>>>>how you look at the numbers. Microsoft claims it has around a billion
>>>>>Windows installs worldwide. If "only" 140 million licenses have been
>>>>>rendered for Vista that's roughly 10% of the install base that have
>>>>>upgraded and Vista has been out over a year.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is even more revealing when you look at how Microsoft cooks the
>>>>>numbers. It isn't raw sales, not even close, much of their Vista
>>>>>number is for licenses in some pre build box that HP, Dell, others
>>>>>HOPE to sell. I would suspect (but don't know) that the number also
>>>>>includes boxes not yet sold. Then we have the question of how many
>>>>>people actually replace the preinstalled Vista with something else.
>>>>>
>>>>>A real test would be the number of copies of Vista that have been
>>>>>activated. That Microsoft won't tell and I'll wager it at best is a
>>>>>fraction of that tossed around 140 million number.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>And better yet, how many show up registered than after 2-4 weeks do not
>>>>call home for updates any more.
>>>>
>>>>We do know this, the XP sales were unexpectedly up by 50% or something.
>>>>That means a lot of people are paying the double dip to get rid of Vista.
>>>
>>>If you had a functioning brain you might be able to get a job.
>>>Well, maybe...LOL!
>>>Frank
>>
>>
>> Don't have to. Semi-retired fool. Notice you appear unemployed and day
>> posting.
>>
>>
>Sorry loser, I own the company which I'm in the process of selling to
>one of my oldest employees.

You're just a delusional old fool already in or getting close to being
put in some insane asylum.

On Sat, 10 May 2008 10:01:16 +1000, GorkusPuss <g_p@msnews.grp> wrote:

>
>Interestingly still no one else is coming close to them in the market other than themselves.
>It must be good being your own competitor.
>
>"> It is even more revealing when you look at how Microsoft cooks the
> > numbers" - Quote you.
>
>Tell us, or me, how do they cook the numbers?

Microsoft has a long history of voodoo accountability. I defy anyone
to point to any legitimate source that shows how many Vista licensees
have actually been activated. Microsoft won't say. It is all smoke and
mirrors.

GorkusPuss wrote:
>
> Interestingly still no one else is coming close to them in the market
> other than themselves. It must be good being your own competitor.
>
> "> It is even more revealing when you look at how Microsoft cooks the
> > numbers" - Quote you.
>
> Tell us, or me, how do they cook the numbers?
>
> - GorkusPuss
>
> Adam Albright wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:22:54 +0300, "Chin Yang"
>> <ChinYang@sangaimarket.ch> wrote:
>>
>>> Im fed up reading posts about how MS has sold 140 million liscences of
>>> Vista, trying to feed us the notion
>>> that somehow vista is actually a successful product.
>>
>>
>> What do you expect from the simpletons that hang out here? It is all
>> how you look at the numbers. Microsoft claims it has around a billion
>> Windows installs worldwide. If "only" 140 million licenses have been
>> rendered for Vista that's roughly 10% of the install base that have
>> upgraded and Vista has been out over a year.
>> It is even more revealing when you look at how Microsoft cooks the
>> numbers. It isn't raw sales, not even close, much of their Vista
>> number is for licenses in some pre build box that HP, Dell, others
>> HOPE to sell. I would suspect (but don't know) that the number also
>> includes boxes not yet sold. Then we have the question of how many
>> people actually replace the preinstalled Vista with something else.
>>
>> A real test would be the number of copies of Vista that have been
>> activated. That Microsoft won't tell and I'll wager it at best is a
>> fraction of that tossed around 140 million number.

You're asking a failed accountant that even the union (mob) had no use
for. He fukked up their books so badly he had to "retire", or else they
would "retire" his dumb fukkin stupid ass permanently.
Basically, he's lucky he can still walk...that is if he can!...LOL!
Frank