A trip down memory lane..

NoStop wrote:

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>
>
>>"Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:e0e73eJeIHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>Sascha Jazbec wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>>>news:OXi1daIeIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl.. .
>>>>
>>>>>.. for the Vista bashers..
>>>>>
>>>>>http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=382
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The case is as simple as one can think of :
>>>>
>>>>Windows XP is designed for Computers that were common in the year 2000 :
>>>>namely a 300-400 MhZ Cpu and memory of 128 MB Ram and no demands of any
>>>>special graphics.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No wonder this OS will literally fly at warp speed on today's Hardware.
>>>>
>>>>And to anyone out there : If you happen to have the very first XP "gold"
>>>>CD Build 2600, without any SP1 or 2.. well install and enjoy ( but don't
>>>>go online ) - you will see bugs and incompatibility all over.
>>>>
>>>>You should also remember that XP's Life is only still around because of
>>>>Vista's delayed release. Microsoft wanted to replace XP as early as 2004
>>>>or 2005.
>>>>
>>>>XP is a good and stable OS, but it is hopelessly outdated and relies on
>>>>year 2000 technologies, that's the point, you can add-in 3rd partie
>>>>software to get near Vistas Look and features, but you will never be
>>>>able to copy the underlying techs.
>>>>
>>>>Vista is more than just "Aero", think of the built-in speech
>>>>recognition, the preview and filter options, saveable searches a and
>>>>what else goodies are in there. It's a shame that Microsoft's marketing
>>>>buro does never seem to point out these new features.
>>>>
>>>>And with the already around hotfixes and a bit of tweaking here and
>>>>there Vistas slowlyness can be handled on older Hardware, on new PCs I
>>>>don't see the need for such actions.
>>>>
>>>>I myself was tempted more than one time to go back to XP, but I always
>>>>resisted when looking at the OS with brain turned on.
>>>>
>>>>XP has grown up with SP2, Vista will go the same route and in the year
>>>>2010 or so, when the next Windows Client will be released, people will
>>>>say "Vista is so much better and faster than >put Codename here<" ..
>>>>
>>>>Some things never change
>>>>
>>>>Sascha.
>>>
>>>Yep, MS has *always* released *all* versions of Windows before they were
>>>ready and used the paying public to do the final beta testing. The
>>>amazing thing is that you MS fanboys and girls think this is normal and
>>>should be accepted.
>>>
>>>Alias
>>
>>
>>And Ubuntu doesn't? So we can assume that Ubuntu 7.10 at the point of
>>release hasn't required any updates, fixes, minor rewrites?
>>
>
> Of course Ubuntu required updates and fixes after its initial release.

Not according to your urbuttoo buddy! You guys need to get your story
straight. Better yet...get lost!
Frank

"NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:fq1i9621a8e@news1.newsguy.com...
> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>
>> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:e0e73eJeIHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Sascha Jazbec wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>>> news:OXi1daIeIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> .. for the Vista bashers..
>>>>>
>>>>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=382
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The case is as simple as one can think of :
>>>>
>>>> Windows XP is designed for Computers that were common in the year 2000
>>>> :
>>>> namely a 300-400 MhZ Cpu and memory of 128 MB Ram and no demands of any
>>>> special graphics.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No wonder this OS will literally fly at warp speed on today's Hardware.
>>>>
>>>> And to anyone out there : If you happen to have the very first XP
>>>> "gold"
>>>> CD Build 2600, without any SP1 or 2.. well install and enjoy ( but
>>>> don't
>>>> go online ) - you will see bugs and incompatibility all over.
>>>>
>>>> You should also remember that XP's Life is only still around because
>>>> of
>>>> Vista's delayed release. Microsoft wanted to replace XP as early as
>>>> 2004
>>>> or 2005.
>>>>
>>>> XP is a good and stable OS, but it is hopelessly outdated and relies on
>>>> year 2000 technologies, that's the point, you can add-in 3rd partie
>>>> software to get near Vistas Look and features, but you will never be
>>>> able to copy the underlying techs.
>>>>
>>>> Vista is more than just "Aero", think of the built-in speech
>>>> recognition, the preview and filter options, saveable searches a and
>>>> what else goodies are in there. It's a shame that Microsoft's marketing
>>>> buro does never seem to point out these new features.
>>>>
>>>> And with the already around hotfixes and a bit of tweaking here and
>>>> there Vistas slowlyness can be handled on older Hardware, on new PCs I
>>>> don't see the need for such actions.
>>>>
>>>> I myself was tempted more than one time to go back to XP, but I always
>>>> resisted when looking at the OS with brain turned on.
>>>>
>>>> XP has grown up with SP2, Vista will go the same route and in the year
>>>> 2010 or so, when the next Windows Client will be released, people will
>>>> say "Vista is so much better and faster than >put Codename here<" ..
>>>>
>>>> Some things never change
>>>>
>>>> Sascha.
>>>
>>> Yep, MS has *always* released *all* versions of Windows before they were
>>> ready and used the paying public to do the final beta testing. The
>>> amazing thing is that you MS fanboys and girls think this is normal and
>>> should be accepted.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> And Ubuntu doesn't? So we can assume that Ubuntu 7.10 at the point of
>> release hasn't required any updates, fixes, minor rewrites?
>>
> Of course Ubuntu required updates and fixes after its initial release. But
> it essentially WORKED when it was released from beta testing. The same can
> not be said for Vista. That's why everyone is still waiting for SP1 and
> then will be waiting even longer for SP2.
>
> Cheers.
>
> --
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> http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x
>
> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.
>
> Q: What OS is built for lusers?
> A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?
>
> Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/war...tm/compost.htm
>


Vista WORKED, but was a little sluggish in some areas. SP1 will fix the
sluggishness.

You guys are going to have to fall back on DRM, WGA, WPA, and even these are
changing slowly..

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..... and the missing "UP" arrow........ OMG.


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"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message
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> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:fq1i9621a8e@news1.newsguy.com...
>
>
> Vista WORKED, but was a little sluggish in some areas. SP1 will fix the
> sluggishness.
>
> You guys are going to have to fall back on DRM, WGA, WPA, and even these
> are changing slowly..
>
> --
> Mike Hall - MVP
> How to construct a good post..
> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...help&style=toc
> Mike's Window - My Blog..
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
>
>
>
>

"Dave" <dave@beepbeep.com> wrote in message
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> .... and the missing "UP" arrow........ OMG.
>
>
> --
> http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
>
>
> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message
> news:e30HWEKeIHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:fq1i9621a8e@news1.newsguy.com...
>>
>>
>> Vista WORKED, but was a little sluggish in some areas. SP1 will fix the
>> sluggishness.
>>
>> You guys are going to have to fall back on DRM, WGA, WPA, and even these
>> are changing slowly..
>>
>> --
>> Mike Hall - MVP
>> How to construct a good post..
>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default...help&style=toc
>> Mike's Window - My Blog..
>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
>>
>>
>>
>>

Give the up arrow a rest............If you spent as much time learning the
new interface as you did crying about it you would find out you don't need
the up arrow.

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> .. for the Vista bashers..
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=382
>

Duh, Mike! This is why many here have been saying wait until SP2!

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LOL, I left out the
<sarcasm>
</sarcasm>

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"Dave" <dcox1961@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Dave" <dave@beepbeep.com> wrote in message
> news:%23WCUOELeIHA.5900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> .... and the missing "UP" arrow........ OMG.
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
>>
>>
>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message
>> news:e30HWEKeIHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fq1i9621a8e@news1.newsguy.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> Vista WORKED, but was a little sluggish in some areas. SP1 will fix the
>>> sluggishness.
>>>
>>> You guys are going to have to fall back on DRM, WGA, WPA, and even these
>>> are changing slowly..
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mike Hall - MVP
>>> How to construct a good post..
>>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
>>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default...help&style=toc
>>> Mike's Window - My Blog..
>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
> Give the up arrow a rest............If you spent as much time learning the
> new interface as you did crying about it you would find out you don't
> need the up arrow.

"Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message
news:e1USdnJeIHA.288@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:e0e73eJeIHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Sascha Jazbec wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>>> news:OXi1daIeIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> .. for the Vista bashers..
>>>>>
>>>>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=382
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The case is as simple as one can think of :
>>>>
>>>> Windows XP is designed for Computers that were common in the year 2000
>>>> :
>>>> namely a 300-400 MhZ Cpu and memory of 128 MB Ram and no demands of any
>>>> special graphics.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No wonder this OS will literally fly at warp speed on today's Hardware.
>>>>
>>>> And to anyone out there : If you happen to have the very first XP
>>>> "gold" CD Build 2600, without any SP1 or 2.. well install and enjoy (
>>>> but don't go online ) - you will see bugs and incompatibility all over.
>>>>
>>>> You should also remember that XP's Life is only still around because
>>>> of Vista's delayed release. Microsoft wanted to replace XP as early as
>>>> 2004 or 2005.
>>>>
>>>> XP is a good and stable OS, but it is hopelessly outdated and relies on
>>>> year 2000 technologies, that's the point, you can add-in 3rd partie
>>>> software to get near Vistas Look and features, but you will never be
>>>> able to copy the underlying techs.
>>>>
>>>> Vista is more than just "Aero", think of the built-in speech
>>>> recognition, the preview and filter options, saveable searches a and
>>>> what else goodies are in there. It's a shame that Microsoft's marketing
>>>> buro does never seem to point out these new features.
>>>>
>>>> And with the already around hotfixes and a bit of tweaking here and
>>>> there Vistas slowlyness can be handled on older Hardware, on new PCs I
>>>> don't see the need for such actions.
>>>>
>>>> I myself was tempted more than one time to go back to XP, but I always
>>>> resisted when looking at the OS with brain turned on.
>>>>
>>>> XP has grown up with SP2, Vista will go the same route and in the year
>>>> 2010 or so, when the next Windows Client will be released, people will
>>>> say "Vista is so much better and faster than >put Codename here<" ..
>>>>
>>>> Some things never change
>>>>
>>>> Sascha.
>>>
>>> Yep, MS has *always* released *all* versions of Windows before they were
>>> ready and used the paying public to do the final beta testing. The
>>> amazing thing is that you MS fanboys and girls think this is normal and
>>> should be accepted.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> And Ubuntu doesn't? So we can assume that Ubuntu 7.10 at the point of
>> release hasn't required any updates, fixes, minor rewrites?
>>
>
> Yes, but I haven't noticed any changes. When it was released, it worked
> perfectly. XP SP2 was when XP should have been released. Updating it since
> then is not a bad thing, just as updating a final release of Ubuntu is not
> a bad thing.
>
> Alias

You haven't noticed any changes because all you do is use the browser and
probably e-mail. They could make major changes and you would have no clue.
But again, you use Ubuntu. Enuf said HA HA HA HA HA HA

"Frank" <fab@notspam.com> wrote in message
news:e9tW6CKeIHA.4852@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Alias wrote:
>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:e1USdnJeIHA.288@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:e0e73eJeIHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sascha Jazbec wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>>>>>> news:OXi1daIeIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> .. for the Vista bashers..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=382
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The case is as simple as one can think of :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Windows XP is designed for Computers that were common in the year
>>>>>>> 2000 :
>>>>>>> namely a 300-400 MhZ Cpu and memory of 128 MB Ram and no demands of
>>>>>>> any special graphics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No wonder this OS will literally fly at warp speed on today's
>>>>>>> Hardware.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And to anyone out there : If you happen to have the very first XP
>>>>>>> "gold" CD Build 2600, without any SP1 or 2.. well install and enjoy
>>>>>>> ( but don't go online ) - you will see bugs and incompatibility all
>>>>>>> over.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You should also remember that XP's Life is only still around
>>>>>>> because of Vista's delayed release. Microsoft wanted to replace XP
>>>>>>> as early as 2004 or 2005.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> XP is a good and stable OS, but it is hopelessly outdated and relies
>>>>>>> on year 2000 technologies, that's the point, you can add-in 3rd
>>>>>>> partie software to get near Vistas Look and features, but you will
>>>>>>> never be able to copy the underlying techs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vista is more than just "Aero", think of the built-in speech
>>>>>>> recognition, the preview and filter options, saveable searches a and
>>>>>>> what else goodies are in there. It's a shame that Microsoft's
>>>>>>> marketing buro does never seem to point out these new features.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And with the already around hotfixes and a bit of tweaking here and
>>>>>>> there Vistas slowlyness can be handled on older Hardware, on new PCs
>>>>>>> I don't see the need for such actions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I myself was tempted more than one time to go back to XP, but I
>>>>>>> always resisted when looking at the OS with brain turned on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> XP has grown up with SP2, Vista will go the same route and in the
>>>>>>> year 2010 or so, when the next Windows Client will be released,
>>>>>>> people will say "Vista is so much better and faster than >put
>>>>>>> Codename here<" ..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some things never change
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sascha.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, MS has *always* released *all* versions of Windows before they
>>>>>> were ready and used the paying public to do the final beta testing.
>>>>>> The amazing thing is that you MS fanboys and girls think this is
>>>>>> normal and should be accepted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And Ubuntu doesn't? So we can assume that Ubuntu 7.10 at the point of
>>>>> release hasn't required any updates, fixes, minor rewrites?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but I haven't noticed any changes. When it was released, it worked
>>>> perfectly. XP SP2 was when XP should have been released. Updating it
>>>> since then is not a bad thing, just as updating a final release of
>>>> Ubuntu is not a bad thing.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A day after it was released, some patches came down the tubes, and they
>>> have been doing this since 7.10 was first released. If I didn't know
>>> better, I would think that Ubuntu users are being treated like guinea
>>> pigs for an OS that clearly wasn't ready..
>>>
>>
>> But you do know better and it worked fine right out of the box.
>>
>> Alias
>
> You are really in denial aren't you?
> Take it like a man...if you can...LOL!
> Frank

He isn't a man, he's an Ubuntu Lowlife. A man would be about 10 steps up
from Alias!

"Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message
news:ejGl22JeIHA.2688@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:e0e73eJeIHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>> Sascha Jazbec wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>>>>> news:OXi1daIeIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .. for the Vista bashers..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=382
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The case is as simple as one can think of :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Windows XP is designed for Computers that were common in the year
>>>>>> 2000 :
>>>>>> namely a 300-400 MhZ Cpu and memory of 128 MB Ram and no demands of
>>>>>> any special graphics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No wonder this OS will literally fly at warp speed on today's
>>>>>> Hardware.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And to anyone out there : If you happen to have the very first XP
>>>>>> "gold" CD Build 2600, without any SP1 or 2.. well install and enjoy
>>>>>> ( but don't go online ) - you will see bugs and incompatibility all
>>>>>> over.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You should also remember that XP's Life is only still around because
>>>>>> of Vista's delayed release. Microsoft wanted to replace XP as early
>>>>>> as 2004 or 2005.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> XP is a good and stable OS, but it is hopelessly outdated and relies
>>>>>> on year 2000 technologies, that's the point, you can add-in 3rd
>>>>>> partie software to get near Vistas Look and features, but you will
>>>>>> never be able to copy the underlying techs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vista is more than just "Aero", think of the built-in speech
>>>>>> recognition, the preview and filter options, saveable searches a and
>>>>>> what else goodies are in there. It's a shame that Microsoft's
>>>>>> marketing buro does never seem to point out these new features.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And with the already around hotfixes and a bit of tweaking here and
>>>>>> there Vistas slowlyness can be handled on older Hardware, on new PCs
>>>>>> I don't see the need for such actions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I myself was tempted more than one time to go back to XP, but I
>>>>>> always resisted when looking at the OS with brain turned on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> XP has grown up with SP2, Vista will go the same route and in the
>>>>>> year 2010 or so, when the next Windows Client will be released,
>>>>>> people will say "Vista is so much better and faster than >put
>>>>>> Codename here<" ..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some things never change
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sascha.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, MS has *always* released *all* versions of Windows before they
>>>>> were ready and used the paying public to do the final beta testing.
>>>>> The amazing thing is that you MS fanboys and girls think this is
>>>>> normal and should be accepted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And Ubuntu doesn't? So we can assume that Ubuntu 7.10 at the point of
>>>> release hasn't required any updates, fixes, minor rewrites?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, but I haven't noticed any changes. When it was released, it worked
>>> perfectly.
>>
>> That's funny...considering the fact that after I installed it there were
>> over 150 updates.
>> What was that all about? You seem to be having a real problem with the
>> truth. But you've always been like that haven't you.
>> Frank
>
> You never installed Ubuntu and the "150 updates" is proof. ALL OSes have
> updates, Frank, but XP and Vista were released before they were ready for
> prime time.
>
> Alias

But there is NO prime time for Ubuntu. Not now. Not ever.......

"Sascha Jazbec" <sascha77ha123@123hotmail.com> wrote in
news:6BEF95FE-5038-4382-A16F-C149CF1C7675@microsoft.com:

> And to anyone out there : If you happen to have the very first XP
> "gold" CD Build 2600, without any SP1 or 2.. well install and enjoy (
> but don't go online ) - you will see bugs and incompatibility all
> over.

False. I ran the 'Gold' from initial release up until 8/2006 behind a NAT
rtr with no issues.