Not Genuine Anymore, what to do

Richard Urban wrote:
> Have you ever called a company for service, any company, and not been
> happy with the outcome? Did you not call again to speak to another
> person. People are human (except for some who post here - not
> necessarily you) and have bad days. So you try again. It's a pain in the
> *ss, but it happens all the time. I have had 3 instances myself this
> year already from major corporations.
>
> Tell me you (or your parents if you are too young to drive) have never
> had a bad experience getting an automobile repaired where you had to
> "elevate" your complaint.

Actually, my grandchild is too young to drive, but that is beside the
point. I may have had one or two complaints with service for my vehicles
over the years, but the difference that I see between the situation we
are discussing and automobile service, especially at a dealership, is
that the service is done "in house" vs being outsourced halfway around
the world. I can look a person in the eye if leveling a complaint. I
can't do that in the situation we are discussing.

> Customer service, in general, has been relegated to the back burner - by
> almost all large companies.
>
> And, I know, it doesn't make it right.
>
You are correct, it is not right. Maybe we as consumers need to be more
discriminating in what we are willing to accept. I have no idea about
what ms or any other large company does in the way of managing the
outsourced concerns they employ, but at the very least:
1. the company that work is outsourced to should be held responsible to
and measured by standards that are set forth by whomever is doing the
hiring.
2. even more so, an individual (free-lancer) that work is outsourced to
should be held responsible to and measured by standards that are set
forth by whomever is doing the hiring. A loose cannon can sink a ship as
easily or even more easily than a direct hit from the opposition.

--
norm

But that doesn't excuse the racist sentiments in that post though.
"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.cl> wrote in message
news:eIbKjnmYHHA.4264@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>. wrote:
>> Still I think their's a couple of a hundred million of them in india. Any
>> place claiming to be a Nth Indian Diner is Muslim and probably Halal
>> (same as Kosher but different sect of priests).
>
> 13% are Muslims, on the border with Pakistan, 80% are Hindu. It's unlikely
> but maybe he did get a room full of Muslims.
>
> Alias
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.cl> wrote in message
>> news:es1YrImYHHA.1008@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Mike Streuber wrote:
>>>> Did you install the Nvidia MB drivers from windows update that was
>>>> released a few days ago? It hosed my activation when I did. It told me
>>>> I had a hardware change and I had to reactivate. It would not let me do
>>>> it over the internet even though you are supposed to have the ability
>>>> to do it 5 times over the internet with a boxed retail copy. My
>>>> experiance with the reactivation tech was horrible. Not only did he
>>>> imply that I might be a thief and a lier by saying that he would have
>>>> to take my word on whether I had it installed on more than 1 PC, in the
>>>> middle of him giving me a activation code he asked me to hold on and
>>>> all of the sudden I could hear a bunch of screaming and hollering that
>>>> I could only guess was the entire complex they were at was praying to
>>>> Allah.
>>>
>>> Doubtful when you consider that Islam is not a major religion in India.
>>> Hinduism is. Now, if the activation rep was in Pakistan, you would have
>>> a point.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>

.. wrote:
> But that doesn't excuse the racist sentiments in that post though.

No, it doesn't.

Alias
> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.cl> wrote in message
> news:eIbKjnmYHHA.4264@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> . wrote:
>>> Still I think their's a couple of a hundred million of them in india.
>>> Any place claiming to be a Nth Indian Diner is Muslim and probably
>>> Halal (same as Kosher but different sect of priests).
>>
>> 13% are Muslims, on the border with Pakistan, 80% are Hindu. It's
>> unlikely but maybe he did get a room full of Muslims.
>>
>> Alias
>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.cl> wrote in message
>>> news:es1YrImYHHA.1008@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Mike Streuber wrote:
>>>>> Did you install the Nvidia MB drivers from windows update that was
>>>>> released a few days ago? It hosed my activation when I did. It told
>>>>> me I had a hardware change and I had to reactivate. It would not
>>>>> let me do it over the internet even though you are supposed to have
>>>>> the ability to do it 5 times over the internet with a boxed retail
>>>>> copy. My experiance with the reactivation tech was horrible. Not
>>>>> only did he imply that I might be a thief and a lier by saying that
>>>>> he would have to take my word on whether I had it installed on more
>>>>> than 1 PC, in the middle of him giving me a activation code he
>>>>> asked me to hold on and all of the sudden I could hear a bunch of
>>>>> screaming and hollering that I could only guess was the entire
>>>>> complex they were at was praying to Allah.
>>>>
>>>> Doubtful when you consider that Islam is not a major religion in
>>>> India. Hinduism is. Now, if the activation rep was in Pakistan, you
>>>> would have a point.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>

I tried to ring a share registry last week and I couldn't find any human at
this phone number. I scrawled on the back of a letter they sent and sent it
back in their prepaid envelope.
"norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message
news:OR2Zm8nYHHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Richard Urban wrote:
>> Have you ever called a company for service, any company, and not been
>> happy with the outcome? Did you not call again to speak to another
>> person. People are human (except for some who post here - not necessarily
>> you) and have bad days. So you try again. It's a pain in the *ss, but it
>> happens all the time. I have had 3 instances myself this year already
>> from major corporations.
>>
>> Tell me you (or your parents if you are too young to drive) have never
>> had a bad experience getting an automobile repaired where you had to
>> "elevate" your complaint.
>
> Actually, my grandchild is too young to drive, but that is beside the
> point. I may have had one or two complaints with service for my vehicles
> over the years, but the difference that I see between the situation we are
> discussing and automobile service, especially at a dealership, is that the
> service is done "in house" vs being outsourced halfway around the world. I
> can look a person in the eye if leveling a complaint. I can't do that in
> the situation we are discussing.
>
>> Customer service, in general, has been relegated to the back burner - by
>> almost all large companies.
>>
>> And, I know, it doesn't make it right.
>>
> You are correct, it is not right. Maybe we as consumers need to be more
> discriminating in what we are willing to accept. I have no idea about what
> ms or any other large company does in the way of managing the outsourced
> concerns they employ, but at the very least:
> 1. the company that work is outsourced to should be held responsible to
> and measured by standards that are set forth by whomever is doing the
> hiring.
> 2. even more so, an individual (free-lancer) that work is outsourced to
> should be held responsible to and measured by standards that are set forth
> by whomever is doing the hiring. A loose cannon can sink a ship as easily
> or even more easily than a direct hit from the opposition.
>
> --
> norm

Alias wrote:
> Justin wrote:
>> It's garbage like this that makes me wait for a full proof way to
>> bypass activation. Not to pirate but so I don't have to be bothered
>> with this garbage as a legal user.
>
> Damn it, Justin, would you stop that. I just sprayed coffee all over my
> keyboard and monitor.
>
> Alias

PMSL!

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"DRM is not added to anything in Vista."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot

The pirate of course doesn't have to deal with these issues.

The only people really affected and struggling are the genuine
customers.

Another example proving software anti piracy measures do nothing but
cost the company time, money, and reputation.



Martin J <MartinJ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>So today I turned on my Vista Ultimate machine and it wanted me to reactivate
>it. Strange since it was fine last night and the only thing I added was the
>upgrade to itunes.
>
>I reacitivate Vista and now its saying its not genuine. I called the
>activation line and the guy said it may be pirated copy which it isn't. I
>bought it from a reputable retailer just after it launced an have been using
>it since then. He said to call the piracy line, which I did and big suprpise
>they are closed.
>
>This means i am going to have to take time off work to sit at my computer so
>i can call when they are open.
>
>Is there anything else i can do to make this damn thing genuine again. I
>have gone to their genuine website and it dosn't work. I have run that
>diagnostic tool and it says the license isn't valid.
>
>Very Frustrated
>
>Martin

"Nina DiBoy" <nin@di.boy> wrote in message news:esuj9v$dr5$1@aioe.org...
> Alias wrote:
>> Justin wrote:
>>> It's garbage like this that makes me wait for a full proof way to bypass
>>> activation. Not to pirate but so I don't have to be bothered with this
>>> garbage as a legal user.
>>
>> Damn it, Justin, would you stop that. I just sprayed coffee all over my
>> keyboard and monitor.
>>
>> Alias
>
> PMSL!

Wow! I didn’t know you knew Portal Structure Markup Language? Or do you
piss yourself often?

Anyway, like I was saying before these two trolls performed their usual
hijack... I wonder what percentage of legal owners attempt an activation
bypass because of issues like this? As well as the horrible upgrade
"re-installation" procedure?

Justin wrote:
> "Nina DiBoy" <nin@di.boy> wrote in message news:esuj9v$dr5$1@aioe.org...
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Justin wrote:
>>>> It's garbage like this that makes me wait for a full proof way to
>>>> bypass activation. Not to pirate but so I don't have to be bothered
>>>> with this garbage as a legal user.
>>>
>>> Damn it, Justin, would you stop that. I just sprayed coffee all over
>>> my keyboard and monitor.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>> PMSL!

First the holier than thou Justin crap:
>
> Wow! I didn’t know you knew Portal Structure Markup Language? Or do
> you piss yourself often?

Then the blanket insult, the ever handy troll card.
>
> Anyway, like I was saying before these two trolls performed their usual
> hijack... I wonder what percentage of legal owners attempt an activation
> bypass because of issues like this? As well as the horrible upgrade
> "re-installation" procedure?

Linux doesn't have that problem.

Alias

"Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:esvkd7$mua$1@aioe.org...
> Justin wrote:
>> "Nina DiBoy" <nin@di.boy> wrote in message news:esuj9v$dr5$1@aioe.org...
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> Justin wrote:
>>>>> It's garbage like this that makes me wait for a full proof way to
>>>>> bypass activation. Not to pirate but so I don't have to be bothered
>>>>> with this garbage as a legal user.
>>>>
>>>> Damn it, Justin, would you stop that. I just sprayed coffee all over my
>>>> keyboard and monitor.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> PMSL!
>
> First the holier than thou Justin crap:
>>
>> Wow! I didn’t know you knew Portal Structure Markup Language? Or do you
>> piss yourself often?
Asking about PMSL is holy? I think many would disagree with you!


> Linux doesn't have that problem.

Um...someone must not have told you that Linux is open source. So why would
it ever have that problem? I think what you meant to respond with is
something along the lines of OSX (something you need to pay for) does not
have this problem. That at least would have been relevant.

Either way, that has absolutely nothing to do with my post. As usual. So
let's try that again:

I wonder what percentage of legal owners attempt an activation
bypass because of issues like this? As well as the horrible upgrade
"re-installation" procedure?

Justin wrote:
> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> news:esvkd7$mua$1@aioe.org...
>> Justin wrote:
>>> "Nina DiBoy" <nin@di.boy> wrote in message news:esuj9v$dr5$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> Justin wrote:
>>>>>> It's garbage like this that makes me wait for a full proof way to
>>>>>> bypass activation. Not to pirate but so I don't have to be
>>>>>> bothered with this garbage as a legal user.
>>>>>
>>>>> Damn it, Justin, would you stop that. I just sprayed coffee all
>>>>> over my keyboard and monitor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> PMSL!
>>
>> First the holier than thou Justin crap:
>>>
>>> Wow! I didn’t know you knew Portal Structure Markup Language? Or do
>>> you piss yourself often?
> Asking about PMSL is holy? I think many would disagree with you!

Reading comprehension problems again, eh? I wrote "holier than thou".
Ask your grandmother what that means.
>
>
>> Linux doesn't have that problem.
>
> Um...someone must not have told you that Linux is open source. So why
> would it ever have that problem?

It wouldn't.

> I think what you meant to respond with
> is something along the lines of OSX (something you need to pay for) does
> not have this problem. That at least would have been relevant.

It doesn't have that problem either.

>
> Either way, that has absolutely nothing to do with my post. As usual.
> So let's try that again:
>
> I wonder what percentage of legal owners attempt an activation
> bypass because of issues like this? As well as the horrible upgrade
> "re-installation" procedure?

Not enough. Happy?

Alias