Preserving Vista Activation

Hi Jeff, I've tried it out this evening and yes it does work well. My only
complaint is that there is no compression. I currently dual boot (windows XP
and Vista), because Vista puts files (bootloader etc) on the C: drive
(windows XP) complete PC Backup has to backup both the windows xp drive and
the vista drive. The operating system and applications for both Xp and Vista
amount to 22GB. On creating a backup the complete PC Backup requires a
partition larger than 22GB or 6 DVD before the backup can continue. With
Acronis i backed up both drives tonight and they consumed, on high
compression, a total of 9GB.
Complete PC backup's downfall is its lack of compression.

--
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Windows Shell/User

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"Jeff" <S.Cerevisiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
news:%23npRltIIHHA.2236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Well,
> you might want to check it out,
> seeing as you are an MVP
> it works nice, btw
>
> Jeff
>
> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
> news:Opbb1QHIHHA.816@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Thanks Jane, that was my understanding of how Complete PC Backup worked,
>> that the only way you could get a complete backup to re-image was to use
>> the Vista DVD. Personally i don't use the complete PC backup option, I
>> much prefer acronis true image.
>>
>> Thanks again for your input
>>
>>
>> --
>> John Barnett MVP
>> Associate Expert
>> Windows Shell/User
>>
>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>
>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable
>> for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out
>> of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in
>> this mail/post..
>>
>> "Jane C" <jellybean@NOSPAMxjgarage.org> wrote in message
>> news:A494C936-065E-4809-84D3-81004BA4D61E@microsoft.com...
>>> Complete PC Backup needs the Vista DVD. That is how one gets to the
>>> restore stage, by booting with the Vista DVD and selecting the restore
>>> options. It doesn't matter where the backup is...hard drive, external
>>> hard drive, spanned DVDs. If you go to the Backup and Restore Center,
>>> and attempt a complete pc restore, you will be prompted to reboot with
>>> the Vista DVD in the drive.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jane, not plain 64 bit enabled :-)
>>> Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;-)
>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>> news:uWBB2o6HHHA.4216@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> But because you wiped out your hard drive i assume you had to use the
>>>> Vista DVD to access the repair options in order to reinstall the image?
>>>> Or is it a case that Vista makes the backup DVD which stores the image
>>>> bootable?
>>>>
>>>> from what i understand Gonzo want, presumably, to create a backup on
>>>> another drive. This, of course, will work, and, presumably, one can
>>>> re-image from within Vista. But if you can't access the Vista partition
>>>> you are going to need the vista DVD in order to restore the backup.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>> Associate Expert
>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>
>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>
>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of
>>>> any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
>>>> accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall
>>>> not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential
>>>> damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or
>>>> opinions expressed in this mail/post..
>>>>
>>>> "Jeff" <S.Cerevisiae@duh.edu> wrote in message
>>>> news:OVXAc85HHHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> John,
>>>>> No need to test it.
>>>>> been there, done that.
>>>>> works fine using Complete PC Backup and Restore, at least.
>>>>> wiped out my hd; and used a Complete PC Backup and Restore image I had
>>>>> made.
>>>>> No problemo
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>>>> news:uL5aJ45HHHA.2236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> From what i have read it appears that you can completely destroy your
>>>>>> hard drive and still install the backup on another drive and
>>>>>> everything will be intact. In this case you will need the Vista DVD.
>>>>>> As for your other question i will have to try it. Give me a day or so
>>>>>> and i'll see what happens. I do know you can have the files copied to
>>>>>> another drive, because i have done it myself. I'll get back to you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of
>>>>>> any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
>>>>>> accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall
>>>>>> not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential
>>>>>> damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information
>>>>>> or opinions expressed in this mail/post..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gonzo" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:PN1gh.10675$GB1.6430@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>>>>>>I forgot to mention that my Ghost software will be obsolete when
>>>>>>>Vista comes out. This is why I want to buy a version of Vista with
>>>>>>>the image software built in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I needed to know exactly how it works so I can be sure it will
>>>>>>> do for me what Ghost is doing for my XP installation now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:OwGWrHtHHHA.3668@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> If you are using Ghost as your imaging software then you don't need
>>>>>>>> the Vista DVD. You 'do' need it if you are using Vista's own build
>>>>>>>> in backup application. You need it to access the repair options. If
>>>>>>>> you have an OEM copy of Vista that has been pre-installed the
>>>>>>>> manufacturer may have made alternative arrangement for you to
>>>>>>>> access the repair options, but that is left to the relevant pc
>>>>>>>> manufacturer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Using Ghost, as i have said, is fine. just restore as you normally
>>>>>>>> would.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty
>>>>>>>> of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to
>>>>>>>> the accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author
>>>>>>>> shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or
>>>>>>>> consequential damages arising out of the use of, or inability to
>>>>>>>> use, information or opinions expressed in this mail/post..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Gonzo" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:6XJfh.8970$GB1.3750@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>>>>>>>> Why do you have to have Vista DVD to do a restore?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Currently I use Ghost to back up and restore my XP installation to
>>>>>>>>> and from a second physical hard drive.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Will this technique work with Vista image restore?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:O$jpd7fHHHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> The image backup tool will backup your system just as system
>>>>>>>>>> restore does, but better. The only problem is that you need to
>>>>>>>>>> use the Vista DVD to restore a full system image - see
>>>>>>>>>> http://vistasupport.mvps.org/create_...tore_image.htm
>>>>>>>>>> and http://vistasupport.mvps.org/windows...ir_options.htm
>>>>>>>>>> from my website.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As system restore keeps the activation 'intact' i assume,
>>>>>>>>>> although i haven't personally tried it, that the new Vista backup
>>>>>>>>>> application will do the same thing - providing the disk hasn't
>>>>>>>>>> been formatted prior to re-installing the image.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you dual boot, i.e., XP and Vista on the same system you
>>>>>>>>>> should be aware that the Vista backup will image 'both' drives.
>>>>>>>>>> This is because certain files pertaining to Vista are stored on
>>>>>>>>>> the XP C: drive.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No
>>>>>>>>>> warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in
>>>>>>>>>> relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this
>>>>>>>>>> mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct,
>>>>>>>>>> indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the
>>>>>>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in
>>>>>>>>>> this mail/post..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Gonzo" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:uKnfh.10011$qp1.6229@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> Q:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What about Vista Ultimate's built in image backup tool?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What does it do and will it restore the activation or hard drive
>>>>>>>>>>> ID?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone know?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to find this out before I would spring for $400 for
>>>>>>>>>>> this OS.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

John,

whoa,
thats a lot of stuff!!!
heck,lil ole' me is Vista only now,
don't have much on here; and for me it was only 1 1/2 dvd's.
but it is nice.
Guess you would need compression with all that stuff.
Just tryin to help out the OP about PC backup in Vista.
Jill's group did a nice job; well in the end. LOL
back before 5744 it didn't spell out that you needed to put the last dvd in
first, and being like alot of people; I never backed up stuff; and couldn't
figure out why putting in dvd 1; it would say it couldn't find a backup!!!!
lol
just the directions needed tweaking.
I've used it twice since; and works great for me; a backup noob.
For stuff like you do; yup; it's probably better to get 3rd party stuff.

:-)

Jeff


"John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
news:eRDv4RJIHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Hi Jeff, I've tried it out this evening and yes it does work well. My only
> complaint is that there is no compression. I currently dual boot (windows
> XP and Vista), because Vista puts files (bootloader etc) on the C: drive
> (windows XP) complete PC Backup has to backup both the windows xp drive
> and the vista drive. The operating system and applications for both Xp and
> Vista amount to 22GB. On creating a backup the complete PC Backup requires
> a partition larger than 22GB or 6 DVD before the backup can continue. With
> Acronis i backed up both drives tonight and they consumed, on high
> compression, a total of 9GB.
> Complete PC backup's downfall is its lack of compression.
>
> --
> John Barnett MVP
> Associate Expert
> Windows Shell/User
>
> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>
> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable
> for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out
> of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in
> this mail/post..
>
> "Jeff" <S.Cerevisiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
> news:%23npRltIIHHA.2236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Well,
>> you might want to check it out,
>> seeing as you are an MVP
>> it works nice, btw
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>> news:Opbb1QHIHHA.816@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Thanks Jane, that was my understanding of how Complete PC Backup worked,
>>> that the only way you could get a complete backup to re-image was to use
>>> the Vista DVD. Personally i don't use the complete PC backup option, I
>>> much prefer acronis true image.
>>>
>>> Thanks again for your input
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> John Barnett MVP
>>> Associate Expert
>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>
>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>
>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of
>>> any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
>>> accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not
>>> be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages
>>> arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions
>>> expressed in this mail/post..
>>>
>>> "Jane C" <jellybean@NOSPAMxjgarage.org> wrote in message
>>> news:A494C936-065E-4809-84D3-81004BA4D61E@microsoft.com...
>>>> Complete PC Backup needs the Vista DVD. That is how one gets to the
>>>> restore stage, by booting with the Vista DVD and selecting the restore
>>>> options. It doesn't matter where the backup is...hard drive, external
>>>> hard drive, spanned DVDs. If you go to the Backup and Restore Center,
>>>> and attempt a complete pc restore, you will be prompted to reboot with
>>>> the Vista DVD in the drive.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jane, not plain 64 bit enabled :-)
>>>> Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;-)
>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>>> news:uWBB2o6HHHA.4216@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> But because you wiped out your hard drive i assume you had to use the
>>>>> Vista DVD to access the repair options in order to reinstall the
>>>>> image? Or is it a case that Vista makes the backup DVD which stores
>>>>> the image bootable?
>>>>>
>>>>> from what i understand Gonzo want, presumably, to create a backup on
>>>>> another drive. This, of course, will work, and, presumably, one can
>>>>> re-image from within Vista. But if you can't access the Vista
>>>>> partition you are going to need the vista DVD in order to restore the
>>>>> backup.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>
>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>
>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of
>>>>> any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
>>>>> accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall
>>>>> not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential
>>>>> damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or
>>>>> opinions expressed in this mail/post..
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jeff" <S.Cerevisiae@duh.edu> wrote in message
>>>>> news:OVXAc85HHHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> John,
>>>>>> No need to test it.
>>>>>> been there, done that.
>>>>>> works fine using Complete PC Backup and Restore, at least.
>>>>>> wiped out my hd; and used a Complete PC Backup and Restore image I
>>>>>> had made.
>>>>>> No problemo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uL5aJ45HHHA.2236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> From what i have read it appears that you can completely destroy
>>>>>>> your hard drive and still install the backup on another drive and
>>>>>>> everything will be intact. In this case you will need the Vista DVD.
>>>>>>> As for your other question i will have to try it. Give me a day or
>>>>>>> so and i'll see what happens. I do know you can have the files
>>>>>>> copied to another drive, because i have done it myself. I'll get
>>>>>>> back to you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty
>>>>>>> of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
>>>>>>> accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall
>>>>>>> not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential
>>>>>>> damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information
>>>>>>> or opinions expressed in this mail/post..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Gonzo" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:PN1gh.10675$GB1.6430@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>>>>>>>I forgot to mention that my Ghost software will be obsolete when
>>>>>>>>Vista comes out. This is why I want to buy a version of Vista with
>>>>>>>>the image software built in.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And I needed to know exactly how it works so I can be sure it will
>>>>>>>> do for me what Ghost is doing for my XP installation now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:OwGWrHtHHHA.3668@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> If you are using Ghost as your imaging software then you don't
>>>>>>>>> need the Vista DVD. You 'do' need it if you are using Vista's own
>>>>>>>>> build in backup application. You need it to access the repair
>>>>>>>>> options. If you have an OEM copy of Vista that has been
>>>>>>>>> pre-installed the manufacturer may have made alternative
>>>>>>>>> arrangement for you to access the repair options, but that is left
>>>>>>>>> to the relevant pc manufacturer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Using Ghost, as i have said, is fine. just restore as you normally
>>>>>>>>> would.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty
>>>>>>>>> of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to
>>>>>>>>> the accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author
>>>>>>>>> shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or
>>>>>>>>> consequential damages arising out of the use of, or inability to
>>>>>>>>> use, information or opinions expressed in this mail/post..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Gonzo" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:6XJfh.8970$GB1.3750@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>>>>>>>>> Why do you have to have Vista DVD to do a restore?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Currently I use Ghost to back up and restore my XP installation
>>>>>>>>>> to and from a second physical hard drive.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Will this technique work with Vista image restore?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:O$jpd7fHHHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> The image backup tool will backup your system just as system
>>>>>>>>>>> restore does, but better. The only problem is that you need to
>>>>>>>>>>> use the Vista DVD to restore a full system image - see
>>>>>>>>>>> http://vistasupport.mvps.org/create_...tore_image.htm
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> http://vistasupport.mvps.org/windows...ir_options.htm
>>>>>>>>>>> from my website.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As system restore keeps the activation 'intact' i assume,
>>>>>>>>>>> although i haven't personally tried it, that the new Vista
>>>>>>>>>>> backup application will do the same thing - providing the disk
>>>>>>>>>>> hasn't been formatted prior to re-installing the image.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you dual boot, i.e., XP and Vista on the same system you
>>>>>>>>>>> should be aware that the Vista backup will image 'both' drives.
>>>>>>>>>>> This is because certain files pertaining to Vista are stored on
>>>>>>>>>>> the XP C: drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No
>>>>>>>>>>> warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in
>>>>>>>>>>> relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this
>>>>>>>>>>> mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct,
>>>>>>>>>>> indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the
>>>>>>>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed
>>>>>>>>>>> in this mail/post..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Gonzo" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:uKnfh.10011$qp1.6229@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Q:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What about Vista Ultimate's built in image backup tool?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What does it do and will it restore the activation or hard
>>>>>>>>>>>> drive ID?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone know?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to find this out before I would spring for $400
>>>>>>>>>>>> for this OS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

37.2GB is the size of my WindowsImageBackup folder on my storage drive ;-)
That's 2 complete operating systems. And a blank partition. (The contents
of 2 complete physical hard drives)

--
Jane, not plain 64 bit enabled :-)
Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;-)
"John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
news:eRDv4RJIHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Hi Jeff, I've tried it out this evening and yes it does work well. My only
> complaint is that there is no compression. I currently dual boot (windows
> XP and Vista), because Vista puts files (bootloader etc) on the C: drive
> (windows XP) complete PC Backup has to backup both the windows xp drive
> and the vista drive. The operating system and applications for both Xp and
> Vista amount to 22GB. On creating a backup the complete PC Backup requires
> a partition larger than 22GB or 6 DVD before the backup can continue. With
> Acronis i backed up both drives tonight and they consumed, on high
> compression, a total of 9GB.
> Complete PC backup's downfall is its lack of compression.
>
> --
> John Barnett MVP
> Associate Expert
> Windows Shell/User
>
> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>
> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable
> for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out
> of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in
> this mail/post..
>
> "Jeff" <S.Cerevisiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
> news:%23npRltIIHHA.2236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Well,
>> you might want to check it out,
>> seeing as you are an MVP
>> it works nice, btw
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>> news:Opbb1QHIHHA.816@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Thanks Jane, that was my understanding of how Complete PC Backup worked,
>>> that the only way you could get a complete backup to re-image was to use
>>> the Vista DVD. Personally i don't use the complete PC backup option, I
>>> much prefer acronis true image.
>>>
>>> Thanks again for your input
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> John Barnett MVP
>>> Associate Expert
>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>
>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>
>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of
>>> any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
>>> accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not
>>> be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages
>>> arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions
>>> expressed in this mail/post..
>>>
>>> "Jane C" <jellybean@NOSPAMxjgarage.org> wrote in message
>>> news:A494C936-065E-4809-84D3-81004BA4D61E@microsoft.com...
>>>> Complete PC Backup needs the Vista DVD. That is how one gets to the
>>>> restore stage, by booting with the Vista DVD and selecting the restore
>>>> options. It doesn't matter where the backup is...hard drive, external
>>>> hard drive, spanned DVDs. If you go to the Backup and Restore Center,
>>>> and attempt a complete pc restore, you will be prompted to reboot with
>>>> the Vista DVD in the drive.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jane, not plain 64 bit enabled :-)
>>>> Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;-)
>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>>> news:uWBB2o6HHHA.4216@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> But because you wiped out your hard drive i assume you had to use the
>>>>> Vista DVD to access the repair options in order to reinstall the
>>>>> image? Or is it a case that Vista makes the backup DVD which stores
>>>>> the image bootable?
>>>>>
>>>>> from what i understand Gonzo want, presumably, to create a backup on
>>>>> another drive. This, of course, will work, and, presumably, one can
>>>>> re-image from within Vista. But if you can't access the Vista
>>>>> partition you are going to need the vista DVD in order to restore the
>>>>> backup.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>
>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>
>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of
>>>>> any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
>>>>> accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall
>>>>> not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential
>>>>> damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or
>>>>> opinions expressed in this mail/post..
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jeff" <S.Cerevisiae@duh.edu> wrote in message
>>>>> news:OVXAc85HHHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> John,
>>>>>> No need to test it.
>>>>>> been there, done that.
>>>>>> works fine using Complete PC Backup and Restore, at least.
>>>>>> wiped out my hd; and used a Complete PC Backup and Restore image I
>>>>>> had made.
>>>>>> No problemo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uL5aJ45HHHA.2236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> From what i have read it appears that you can completely destroy
>>>>>>> your hard drive and still install the backup on another drive and
>>>>>>> everything will be intact. In this case you will need the Vista DVD.
>>>>>>> As for your other question i will have to try it. Give me a day or
>>>>>>> so and i'll see what happens. I do know you can have the files
>>>>>>> copied to another drive, because i have done it myself. I'll get
>>>>>>> back to you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty
>>>>>>> of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
>>>>>>> accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall
>>>>>>> not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential
>>>>>>> damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information
>>>>>>> or opinions expressed in this mail/post..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Gonzo" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:PN1gh.10675$GB1.6430@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>>>>>>>I forgot to mention that my Ghost software will be obsolete when
>>>>>>>>Vista comes out. This is why I want to buy a version of Vista with
>>>>>>>>the image software built in.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And I needed to know exactly how it works so I can be sure it will
>>>>>>>> do for me what Ghost is doing for my XP installation now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:OwGWrHtHHHA.3668@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> If you are using Ghost as your imaging software then you don't
>>>>>>>>> need the Vista DVD. You 'do' need it if you are using Vista's own
>>>>>>>>> build in backup application. You need it to access the repair
>>>>>>>>> options. If you have an OEM copy of Vista that has been
>>>>>>>>> pre-installed the manufacturer may have made alternative
>>>>>>>>> arrangement for you to access the repair options, but that is left
>>>>>>>>> to the relevant pc manufacturer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Using Ghost, as i have said, is fine. just restore as you normally
>>>>>>>>> would.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty
>>>>>>>>> of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to
>>>>>>>>> the accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author
>>>>>>>>> shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or
>>>>>>>>> consequential damages arising out of the use of, or inability to
>>>>>>>>> use, information or opinions expressed in this mail/post..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Gonzo" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:6XJfh.8970$GB1.3750@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>>>>>>>>> Why do you have to have Vista DVD to do a restore?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Currently I use Ghost to back up and restore my XP installation
>>>>>>>>>> to and from a second physical hard drive.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Will this technique work with Vista image restore?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:O$jpd7fHHHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> The image backup tool will backup your system just as system
>>>>>>>>>>> restore does, but better. The only problem is that you need to
>>>>>>>>>>> use the Vista DVD to restore a full system image - see
>>>>>>>>>>> http://vistasupport.mvps.org/create_...tore_image.htm
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> http://vistasupport.mvps.org/windows...ir_options.htm
>>>>>>>>>>> from my website.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As system restore keeps the activation 'intact' i assume,
>>>>>>>>>>> although i haven't personally tried it, that the new Vista
>>>>>>>>>>> backup application will do the same thing - providing the disk
>>>>>>>>>>> hasn't been formatted prior to re-installing the image.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you dual boot, i.e., XP and Vista on the same system you
>>>>>>>>>>> should be aware that the Vista backup will image 'both' drives.
>>>>>>>>>>> This is because certain files pertaining to Vista are stored on
>>>>>>>>>>> the XP C: drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No
>>>>>>>>>>> warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in
>>>>>>>>>>> relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this
>>>>>>>>>>> mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct,
>>>>>>>>>>> indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the
>>>>>>>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed
>>>>>>>>>>> in this mail/post..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Gonzo" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:uKnfh.10011$qp1.6229@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Q:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What about Vista Ultimate's built in image backup tool?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What does it do and will it restore the activation or hard
>>>>>>>>>>>> drive ID?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone know?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to find this out before I would spring for $400
>>>>>>>>>>>> for this OS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Jeff, as i run two support sites http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org and
http://vistasupport.mvps.org it is necessary that i keep both operating
systems on my system. If someone has a problem with XP and i'm not sure of
the exact directional solution i can simply boot to XP go through the
directions procedure and then advice accordingly.

--
John Barnett MVP
Associate Expert
Windows Shell/User

Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org

The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for
any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the
use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this
mail/post..

"Jeff" <S.Cerevisiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
news:%2324niaJIHHA.4992@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> John,
>
> whoa,
> thats a lot of stuff!!!
> heck,lil ole' me is Vista only now,
> don't have much on here; and for me it was only 1 1/2 dvd's.
> but it is nice.
> Guess you would need compression with all that stuff.
> Just tryin to help out the OP about PC backup in Vista.
> Jill's group did a nice job; well in the end. LOL
> back before 5744 it didn't spell out that you needed to put the last dvd
> in first, and being like alot of people; I never backed up stuff; and
> couldn't figure out why putting in dvd 1; it would say it couldn't find a
> backup!!!!
> lol
> just the directions needed tweaking.
> I've used it twice since; and works great for me; a backup noob.
> For stuff like you do; yup; it's probably better to get 3rd party stuff.
>
> :-)
>
> Jeff
>
>
> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
> news:eRDv4RJIHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Hi Jeff, I've tried it out this evening and yes it does work well. My
>> only complaint is that there is no compression. I currently dual boot
>> (windows XP and Vista), because Vista puts files (bootloader etc) on the
>> C: drive (windows XP) complete PC Backup has to backup both the windows
>> xp drive and the vista drive. The operating system and applications for
>> both Xp and Vista amount to 22GB. On creating a backup the complete PC
>> Backup requires a partition larger than 22GB or 6 DVD before the backup
>> can continue. With Acronis i backed up both drives tonight and they
>> consumed, on high compression, a total of 9GB.
>> Complete PC backup's downfall is its lack of compression.
>>
>> --
>> John Barnett MVP
>> Associate Expert
>> Windows Shell/User
>>
>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>
>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable
>> for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out
>> of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in
>> this mail/post..
>>
>> "Jeff" <S.Cerevisiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
>> news:%23npRltIIHHA.2236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Well,
>>> you might want to check it out,
>>> seeing as you are an MVP
>>> it works nice, btw
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>> news:Opbb1QHIHHA.816@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> Thanks Jane, that was my understanding of how Complete PC Backup
>>>> worked, that the only way you could get a complete backup to re-image
>>>> was to use the Vista DVD. Personally i don't use the complete PC backup
>>>> option, I much prefer acronis true image.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again for your input
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>> Associate Expert
>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>
>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>
>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of
>>>> any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
>>>> accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall
>>>> not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential
>>>> damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or
>>>> opinions expressed in this mail/post..
>>>>
>>>> "Jane C" <jellybean@NOSPAMxjgarage.org> wrote in message
>>>> news:A494C936-065E-4809-84D3-81004BA4D61E@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Complete PC Backup needs the Vista DVD. That is how one gets to the
>>>>> restore stage, by booting with the Vista DVD and selecting the restore
>>>>> options. It doesn't matter where the backup is...hard drive, external
>>>>> hard drive, spanned DVDs. If you go to the Backup and Restore Center,
>>>>> and attempt a complete pc restore, you will be prompted to reboot with
>>>>> the Vista DVD in the drive.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jane, not plain 64 bit enabled :-)
>>>>> Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;-)
>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>>>> news:uWBB2o6HHHA.4216@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> But because you wiped out your hard drive i assume you had to use the
>>>>>> Vista DVD to access the repair options in order to reinstall the
>>>>>> image? Or is it a case that Vista makes the backup DVD which stores
>>>>>> the image bootable?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> from what i understand Gonzo want, presumably, to create a backup on
>>>>>> another drive. This, of course, will work, and, presumably, one can
>>>>>> re-image from within Vista. But if you can't access the Vista
>>>>>> partition you are going to need the vista DVD in order to restore the
>>>>>> backup.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of
>>>>>> any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
>>>>>> accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall
>>>>>> not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential
>>>>>> damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information
>>>>>> or opinions expressed in this mail/post..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jeff" <S.Cerevisiae@duh.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:OVXAc85HHHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>> No need to test it.
>>>>>>> been there, done that.
>>>>>>> works fine using Complete PC Backup and Restore, at least.
>>>>>>> wiped out my hd; and used a Complete PC Backup and Restore image I
>>>>>>> had made.
>>>>>>> No problemo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:uL5aJ45HHHA.2236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> From what i have read it appears that you can completely destroy
>>>>>>>> your hard drive and still install the backup on another drive and
>>>>>>>> everything will be intact. In this case you will need the Vista
>>>>>>>> DVD.
>>>>>>>> As for your other question i will have to try it. Give me a day or
>>>>>>>> so and i'll see what happens. I do know you can have the files
>>>>>>>> copied to another drive, because i have done it myself. I'll get
>>>>>>>> back to you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty
>>>>>>>> of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to
>>>>>>>> the accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author
>>>>>>>> shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or
>>>>>>>> consequential damages arising out of the use of, or inability to
>>>>>>>> use, information or opinions expressed in this mail/post..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Gonzo" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:PN1gh.10675$GB1.6430@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>>>>>>>>I forgot to mention that my Ghost software will be obsolete when
>>>>>>>>>Vista comes out. This is why I want to buy a version of Vista with
>>>>>>>>>the image software built in.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And I needed to know exactly how it works so I can be sure it will
>>>>>>>>> do for me what Ghost is doing for my XP installation now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:OwGWrHtHHHA.3668@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> If you are using Ghost as your imaging software then you don't
>>>>>>>>>> need the Vista DVD. You 'do' need it if you are using Vista's own
>>>>>>>>>> build in backup application. You need it to access the repair
>>>>>>>>>> options. If you have an OEM copy of Vista that has been
>>>>>>>>>> pre-installed the manufacturer may have made alternative
>>>>>>>>>> arrangement for you to access the repair options, but that is
>>>>>>>>>> left to the relevant pc manufacturer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Using Ghost, as i have said, is fine. just restore as you
>>>>>>>>>> normally would.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No
>>>>>>>>>> warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in
>>>>>>>>>> relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this
>>>>>>>>>> mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct,
>>>>>>>>>> indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the
>>>>>>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in
>>>>>>>>>> this mail/post..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Gonzo" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:6XJfh.8970$GB1.3750@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you have to have Vista DVD to do a restore?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Currently I use Ghost to back up and restore my XP installation
>>>>>>>>>>> to and from a second physical hard drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Will this technique work with Vista image restore?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> message news:O$jpd7fHHHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>> The image backup tool will backup your system just as system
>>>>>>>>>>>> restore does, but better. The only problem is that you need to
>>>>>>>>>>>> use the Vista DVD to restore a full system image - see
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://vistasupport.mvps.org/create_...tore_image.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://vistasupport.mvps.org/windows...ir_options.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>> from my website.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As system restore keeps the activation 'intact' i assume,
>>>>>>>>>>>> although i haven't personally tried it, that the new Vista
>>>>>>>>>>>> backup application will do the same thing - providing the disk
>>>>>>>>>>>> hasn't been formatted prior to re-installing the image.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you dual boot, i.e., XP and Vista on the same system you
>>>>>>>>>>>> should be aware that the Vista backup will image 'both' drives.
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is because certain files pertaining to Vista are stored on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the XP C: drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No
>>>>>>>>>>>> warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in
>>>>>>>>>>>> relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this
>>>>>>>>>>>> mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct,
>>>>>>>>>>>> indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions
>>>>>>>>>>>> expressed in this mail/post..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Gonzo" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uKnfh.10011$qp1.6229@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about Vista Ultimate's built in image backup tool?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What does it do and will it restore the activation or hard
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive ID?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone know?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to find this out before I would spring for $400
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for this OS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

John,

No need for an explanation,lol,
(nice plug for your sites though :-o )
As a thought, what about VPC'in XP in Vista?
Save ya on room!!! Plus, with VPC you can have both running at the same
time.
Dual booting is a pita.

Jane's got ya beat btw,
:-)

Jeff

"John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
news:eGCxCERIHHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Jeff, as i run two support sites http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org and
> http://vistasupport.mvps.org it is necessary that i keep both operating
> systems on my system. If someone has a problem with XP and i'm not sure of
> the exact directional solution i can simply boot to XP go through the
> directions procedure and then advice accordingly.
>
> --
> John Barnett MVP
> Associate Expert
> Windows Shell/User
>
> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>
> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable
> for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out
> of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in
> this mail/post..
>
> "Jeff" <S.Cerevisiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
> news:%2324niaJIHHA.4992@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> John,
>>
>> whoa,
>> thats a lot of stuff!!!
>> heck,lil ole' me is Vista only now,
>> don't have much on here; and for me it was only 1 1/2 dvd's.
>> but it is nice.
>> Guess you would need compression with all that stuff.
>> Just tryin to help out the OP about PC backup in Vista.
>> Jill's group did a nice job; well in the end. LOL
>> back before 5744 it didn't spell out that you needed to put the last dvd
>> in first, and being like alot of people; I never backed up stuff; and
>> couldn't figure out why putting in dvd 1; it would say it couldn't find a
>> backup!!!!
>> lol
>> just the directions needed tweaking.
>> I've used it twice since; and works great for me; a backup noob.
>> For stuff like you do; yup; it's probably better to get 3rd party stuff.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>> news:eRDv4RJIHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi Jeff, I've tried it out this evening and yes it does work well. My
>>> only complaint is that there is no compression. I currently dual boot
>>> (windows XP and Vista), because Vista puts files (bootloader etc) on the
>>> C: drive (windows XP) complete PC Backup has to backup both the windows
>>> xp drive and the vista drive. The operating system and applications for
>>> both Xp and Vista amount to 22GB. On creating a backup the complete PC
>>> Backup requires a partition larger than 22GB or 6 DVD before the backup
>>> can continue. With Acronis i backed up both drives tonight and they
>>> consumed, on high compression, a total of 9GB.
>>> Complete PC backup's downfall is its lack of compression.
>>>
>>> --
>>> John Barnett MVP
>>> Associate Expert
>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>
>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>
>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of
>>> any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
>>> accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not
>>> be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages
>>> arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions
>>> expressed in this mail/post..
>>>
>>> "Jeff" <S.Cerevisiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
>>> news:%23npRltIIHHA.2236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Well,
>>>> you might want to check it out,
>>>> seeing as you are an MVP
>>>> it works nice, btw
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>>> news:Opbb1QHIHHA.816@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Thanks Jane, that was my understanding of how Complete PC Backup
>>>>> worked, that the only way you could get a complete backup to re-image
>>>>> was to use the Vista DVD. Personally i don't use the complete PC
>>>>> backup option, I much prefer acronis true image.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again for your input
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>
>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>
>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of
>>>>> any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
>>>>> accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall
>>>>> not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential
>>>>> damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or
>>>>> opinions expressed in this mail/post..
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jane C" <jellybean@NOSPAMxjgarage.org> wrote in message
>>>>> news:A494C936-065E-4809-84D3-81004BA4D61E@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> Complete PC Backup needs the Vista DVD. That is how one gets to the
>>>>>> restore stage, by booting with the Vista DVD and selecting the
>>>>>> restore options. It doesn't matter where the backup is...hard drive,
>>>>>> external hard drive, spanned DVDs. If you go to the Backup and
>>>>>> Restore Center, and attempt a complete pc restore, you will be
>>>>>> prompted to reboot with the Vista DVD in the drive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jane, not plain 64 bit enabled :-)
>>>>>> Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;-)
>>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uWBB2o6HHHA.4216@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> But because you wiped out your hard drive i assume you had to use
>>>>>>> the Vista DVD to access the repair options in order to reinstall the
>>>>>>> image? Or is it a case that Vista makes the backup DVD which stores
>>>>>>> the image bootable?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> from what i understand Gonzo want, presumably, to create a backup on
>>>>>>> another drive. This, of course, will work, and, presumably, one can
>>>>>>> re-image from within Vista. But if you can't access the Vista
>>>>>>> partition you are going to need the vista DVD in order to restore
>>>>>>> the backup.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty
>>>>>>> of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
>>>>>>> accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall
>>>>>>> not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential
>>>>>>> damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information
>>>>>>> or opinions expressed in this mail/post..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Jeff" <S.Cerevisiae@duh.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:OVXAc85HHHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>> No need to test it.
>>>>>>>> been there, done that.
>>>>>>>> works fine using Complete PC Backup and Restore, at least.
>>>>>>>> wiped out my hd; and used a Complete PC Backup and Restore image I
>>>>>>>> had made.
>>>>>>>> No problemo
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:uL5aJ45HHHA.2236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> From what i have read it appears that you can completely destroy
>>>>>>>>> your hard drive and still install the backup on another drive and
>>>>>>>>> everything will be intact. In this case you will need the Vista
>>>>>>>>> DVD.
>>>>>>>>> As for your other question i will have to try it. Give me a day or
>>>>>>>>> so and i'll see what happens. I do know you can have the files
>>>>>>>>> copied to another drive, because i have done it myself. I'll get
>>>>>>>>> back to you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty
>>>>>>>>> of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to
>>>>>>>>> the accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author
>>>>>>>>> shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or
>>>>>>>>> consequential damages arising out of the use of, or inability to
>>>>>>>>> use, information or opinions expressed in this mail/post..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Gonzo" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:PN1gh.10675$GB1.6430@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>>>>>>>>>I forgot to mention that my Ghost software will be obsolete when
>>>>>>>>>>Vista comes out. This is why I want to buy a version of Vista
>>>>>>>>>>with the image software built in.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And I needed to know exactly how it works so I can be sure it
>>>>>>>>>> will do for me what Ghost is doing for my XP installation now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:OwGWrHtHHHA.3668@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> If you are using Ghost as your imaging software then you don't
>>>>>>>>>>> need the Vista DVD. You 'do' need it if you are using Vista's
>>>>>>>>>>> own build in backup application. You need it to access the
>>>>>>>>>>> repair options. If you have an OEM copy of Vista that has been
>>>>>>>>>>> pre-installed the manufacturer may have made alternative
>>>>>>>>>>> arrangement for you to access the repair options, but that is
>>>>>>>>>>> left to the relevant pc manufacturer.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Using Ghost, as i have said, is fine. just restore as you
>>>>>>>>>>> normally would.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No
>>>>>>>>>>> warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in
>>>>>>>>>>> relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this
>>>>>>>>>>> mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct,
>>>>>>>>>>> indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the
>>>>>>>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed
>>>>>>>>>>> in this mail/post..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Gonzo" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:6XJfh.8970$GB1.3750@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you have to have Vista DVD to do a restore?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently I use Ghost to back up and restore my XP installation
>>>>>>>>>>>> to and from a second physical hard drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Will this technique work with Vista image restore?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:O$jpd7fHHHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The image backup tool will backup your system just as system
>>>>>>>>>>>>> restore does, but better. The only problem is that you need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use the Vista DVD to restore a full system image - see
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://vistasupport.mvps.org/create_...tore_image.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://vistasupport.mvps.org/windows...ir_options.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from my website.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As system restore keeps the activation 'intact' i assume,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> although i haven't personally tried it, that the new Vista
>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup application will do the same thing - providing the disk
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hasn't been formatted prior to re-installing the image.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you dual boot, i.e., XP and Vista on the same system you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be aware that the Vista backup will image 'both'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drives. This is because certain files pertaining to Vista are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stored on the XP C: drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No
>>>>>>>>>>>>> warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> expressed in this mail/post..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Gonzo" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uKnfh.10011$qp1.6229@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about Vista Ultimate's built in image backup tool?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What does it do and will it restore the activation or hard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive ID?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone know?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to find this out before I would spring for $400
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for this OS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

I'm already testing VPC 2007 beta, so yes it is an alternative.

--
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Associate Expert
Windows Shell/User

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"Jeff" <S.Cerevisiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
news:%23SwRjBSIHHA.4384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> John,
>
> No need for an explanation,lol,
> (nice plug for your sites though :-o )
> As a thought, what about VPC'in XP in Vista?
> Save ya on room!!! Plus, with VPC you can have both running at the same
> time.
> Dual booting is a pita.
>
> Jane's got ya beat btw,
> :-)
>
> Jeff
>
> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
> news:eGCxCERIHHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Jeff, as i run two support sites http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org and
>> http://vistasupport.mvps.org it is necessary that i keep both operating
>> systems on my system. If someone has a problem with XP and i'm not sure
>> of the exact directional solution i can simply boot to XP go through the
>> directions procedure and then advice accordingly.
>>
>> --
>> John Barnett MVP
>> Associate Expert
>> Windows Shell/User
>>
>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>
>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable
>> for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out
>> of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in
>> this mail/post..
>>
>> "Jeff" <S.Cerevisiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
>> news:%2324niaJIHHA.4992@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> John,
>>>
>>> whoa,
>>> thats a lot of stuff!!!
>>> heck,lil ole' me is Vista only now,
>>> don't have much on here; and for me it was only 1 1/2 dvd's.
>>> but it is nice.
>>> Guess you would need compression with all that stuff.
>>> Just tryin to help out the OP about PC backup in Vista.
>>> Jill's group did a nice job; well in the end. LOL
>>> back before 5744 it didn't spell out that you needed to put the last dvd
>>> in first, and being like alot of people; I never backed up stuff; and
>>> couldn't figure out why putting in dvd 1; it would say it couldn't find
>>> a backup!!!!
>>> lol
>>> just the directions needed tweaking.
>>> I've used it twice since; and works great for me; a backup noob.
>>> For stuff like you do; yup; it's probably better to get 3rd party stuff.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>> news:eRDv4RJIHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> Hi Jeff, I've tried it out this evening and yes it does work well. My
>>>> only complaint is that there is no compression. I currently dual boot
>>>> (windows XP and Vista), because Vista puts files (bootloader etc) on
>>>> the C: drive (windows XP) complete PC Backup has to backup both the
>>>> windows xp drive and the vista drive. The operating system and
>>>> applications for both Xp and Vista amount to 22GB. On creating a backup
>>>> the complete PC Backup requires a partition larger than 22GB or 6 DVD
>>>> before the backup can continue. With Acronis i backed up both drives
>>>> tonight and they consumed, on high compression, a total of 9GB.
>>>> Complete PC backup's downfall is its lack of compression.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>> Associate Expert
>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>
>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>
>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of
>>>> any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
>>>> accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall
>>>> not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential
>>>> damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or
>>>> opinions expressed in this mail/post..
>>>>
>>>> "Jeff" <S.Cerevisiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23npRltIIHHA.2236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Well,
>>>>> you might want to check it out,
>>>>> seeing as you are an MVP
>>>>> it works nice, btw
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>>>> news:Opbb1QHIHHA.816@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Thanks Jane, that was my understanding of how Complete PC Backup
>>>>>> worked, that the only way you could get a complete backup to re-image
>>>>>> was to use the Vista DVD. Personally i don't use the complete PC
>>>>>> backup option, I much prefer acronis true image.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again for your input
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of
>>>>>> any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
>>>>>> accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall
>>>>>> not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential
>>>>>> damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information
>>>>>> or opinions expressed in this mail/post..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jane C" <jellybean@NOSPAMxjgarage.org> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:A494C936-065E-4809-84D3-81004BA4D61E@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> Complete PC Backup needs the Vista DVD. That is how one gets to the
>>>>>>> restore stage, by booting with the Vista DVD and selecting the
>>>>>>> restore options. It doesn't matter where the backup is...hard
>>>>>>> drive, external hard drive, spanned DVDs. If you go to the Backup
>>>>>>> and Restore Center, and attempt a complete pc restore, you will be
>>>>>>> prompted to reboot with the Vista DVD in the drive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jane, not plain 64 bit enabled :-)
>>>>>>> Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;-)
>>>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:uWBB2o6HHHA.4216@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> But because you wiped out your hard drive i assume you had to use
>>>>>>>> the Vista DVD to access the repair options in order to reinstall
>>>>>>>> the image? Or is it a case that Vista makes the backup DVD which
>>>>>>>> stores the image bootable?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> from what i understand Gonzo want, presumably, to create a backup
>>>>>>>> on another drive. This, of course, will work, and, presumably, one
>>>>>>>> can re-image from within Vista. But if you can't access the Vista
>>>>>>>> partition you are going to need the vista DVD in order to restore
>>>>>>>> the backup.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty
>>>>>>>> of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to
>>>>>>>> the accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author
>>>>>>>> shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or
>>>>>>>> consequential damages arising out of the use of, or inability to
>>>>>>>> use, information or opinions expressed in this mail/post..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Jeff" <S.Cerevisiae@duh.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:OVXAc85HHHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>>> No need to test it.
>>>>>>>>> been there, done that.
>>>>>>>>> works fine using Complete PC Backup and Restore, at least.
>>>>>>>>> wiped out my hd; and used a Complete PC Backup and Restore image I
>>>>>>>>> had made.
>>>>>>>>> No problemo
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:uL5aJ45HHHA.2236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> From what i have read it appears that you can completely destroy
>>>>>>>>>> your hard drive and still install the backup on another drive and
>>>>>>>>>> everything will be intact. In this case you will need the Vista
>>>>>>>>>> DVD.
>>>>>>>>>> As for your other question i will have to try it. Give me a day
>>>>>>>>>> or so and i'll see what happens. I do know you can have the files
>>>>>>>>>> copied to another drive, because i have done it myself. I'll get
>>>>>>>>>> back to you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No
>>>>>>>>>> warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in
>>>>>>>>>> relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this
>>>>>>>>>> mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct,
>>>>>>>>>> indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the
>>>>>>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in
>>>>>>>>>> this mail/post..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Gonzo" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:PN1gh.10675$GB1.6430@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>I forgot to mention that my Ghost software will be obsolete when
>>>>>>>>>>>Vista comes out. This is why I want to buy a version of Vista
>>>>>>>>>>>with the image software built in.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And I needed to know exactly how it works so I can be sure it
>>>>>>>>>>> will do for me what Ghost is doing for my XP installation now.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> message news:OwGWrHtHHHA.3668@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are using Ghost as your imaging software then you don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> need the Vista DVD. You 'do' need it if you are using Vista's
>>>>>>>>>>>> own build in backup application. You need it to access the
>>>>>>>>>>>> repair options. If you have an OEM copy of Vista that has been
>>>>>>>>>>>> pre-installed the manufacturer may have made alternative
>>>>>>>>>>>> arrangement for you to access the repair options, but that is
>>>>>>>>>>>> left to the relevant pc manufacturer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Using Ghost, as i have said, is fine. just restore as you
>>>>>>>>>>>> normally would.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No
>>>>>>>>>>>> warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in
>>>>>>>>>>>> relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this
>>>>>>>>>>>> mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct,
>>>>>>>>>>>> indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions
>>>>>>>>>>>> expressed in this mail/post..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Gonzo" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:6XJfh.8970$GB1.3750@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you have to have Vista DVD to do a restore?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently I use Ghost to back up and restore my XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>> installation to and from a second physical hard drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will this technique work with Vista image restore?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:O$jpd7fHHHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The image backup tool will backup your system just as system
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restore does, but better. The only problem is that you need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use the Vista DVD to restore a full system image - see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://vistasupport.mvps.org/create_...tore_image.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://vistasupport.mvps.org/windows...ir_options.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from my website.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As system restore keeps the activation 'intact' i assume,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> although i haven't personally tried it, that the new Vista
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup application will do the same thing - providing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disk hasn't been formatted prior to re-installing the image.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you dual boot, i.e., XP and Vista on the same system you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be aware that the Vista backup will image 'both'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drives. This is because certain files pertaining to Vista are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stored on the XP C: drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expressed in this mail/post..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Gonzo" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uKnfh.10011$qp1.6229@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about Vista Ultimate's built in image backup tool?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What does it do and will it restore the activation or hard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive ID?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone know?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to find this out before I would spring for $400
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for this OS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>