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Old 01-11-2008
tcukran
 

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32bit or 64bit ?

Hi ,

About 7 months ago I bought a Toshiba notebook (A100-599) and there is
32bit vista home premium comes with it. But after a while I got bored
and installed xp maybe it's because everyone was saying things like
vista is not ready yet...
The thing I wonder is should I stick with the 32bit home premium or go
buy a 64 bit ? I actually don't know if my laptop can run 64bit but it
says that core2duo processors can do it.
If someone can help me out of this I'll be really glad .

PS : I'm a normal home user, I don't really use programs that can push
the processor too hard but still I use photoshop and play games
sometimes. Is there an important performance difference between 32bit
and 64bit ?


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Old 01-11-2008
Tim Slattery
 

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Re: 32bit or 64bit ?
tcukran <tcukran.331fa3@no-mx.forums.net> wrote:

>
>Hi ,
>
>About 7 months ago I bought a Toshiba notebook (A100-599) and there is
>32bit vista home premium comes with it. But after a while I got bored
>and installed xp maybe it's because everyone was saying things like
>vista is not ready yet...
>The thing I wonder is should I stick with the 32bit home premium or go
>buy a 64 bit ? I actually don't know if my laptop can run 64bit


That would certainly be the first thing to figure out. But there are
very few 64-bit programs around these days, so going to a 64-bit OS
wouldn't buy you a whole lot, even if you have 64-bit hardware.

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Old 01-11-2008
David
 

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Re: 32bit or 64bit ?
Search the NG. That has been asked and answered numerous times.

(Almost as often as "Why does my 4GB RAM only show up as 3.1?")

"tcukran" <tcukran.331fa3@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
news:tcukran.331fa3@no-mx.forums.net...
>
> Hi ,
>
> About 7 months ago I bought a Toshiba notebook (A100-599) and there is
> 32bit vista home premium comes with it. But after a while I got bored
> and installed xp maybe it's because everyone was saying things like
> vista is not ready yet...
> The thing I wonder is should I stick with the 32bit home premium or go
> buy a 64 bit ? I actually don't know if my laptop can run 64bit but it
> says that core2duo processors can do it.
> If someone can help me out of this I'll be really glad .
>
> PS : I'm a normal home user, I don't really use programs that can push
> the processor too hard but still I use photoshop and play games
> sometimes. Is there an important performance difference between 32bit
> and 64bit ?
>
>
> --
> tcukran


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Old 01-11-2008
Richard G. Harper
 

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Re: 32bit or 64bit ?
If you have to ask, you do not need 64-bit Windows. As there are still some
manufacturers who are not providing 64-bit drivers, when in doubt, stick
with 32-bit Windows.

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"tcukran" <tcukran.331fa3@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
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>
> Hi ,
>
> About 7 months ago I bought a Toshiba notebook (A100-599) and there is
> 32bit vista home premium comes with it. But after a while I got bored
> and installed xp maybe it's because everyone was saying things like
> vista is not ready yet...
> The thing I wonder is should I stick with the 32bit home premium or go
> buy a 64 bit ? I actually don't know if my laptop can run 64bit but it
> says that core2duo processors can do it.
> If someone can help me out of this I'll be really glad .
>
> PS : I'm a normal home user, I don't really use programs that can push
> the processor too hard but still I use photoshop and play games
> sometimes. Is there an important performance difference between 32bit
> and 64bit ?
>
>
> --
> tcukran


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Old 01-11-2008
Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]
 

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Re: 32bit or 64bit ?
64 Bit processors is really just a state of the industry right now, the
technology is there so why not make it available? Regardless the majority of
applications for the desktop remain largely 32 bit, it is prepapring for
inevitable when there will be a mass transition to 64 bit, whether by the
Industry or end users. For instance, suppose you start doing a lot of
technical work that goes beyond the limits of 32 bit computing requiring
more than 4 GBs of RAM and real 64 bit OS such as the 64 bit version of
Vista, then you won't have to worry about changing out all your hardware to
take advantage of it.

The market that understands the capabilities, advantages and disadvantages
of using it, the biggest advantage of all has to be the support for a larger
memory address space
that allows you to do more number crunching with scientific, financial and
other engineering applications that use a lot of memory. Hopefully in the
future, more mainstream applications will support the platform and harness
its capabilities, but with the majority of systems coming with 1 to 2 GBs of
memory, and 64 bit really addressing larger amounts up to 128 GBs, you won't
see a lot of apps for now.

Stick with 32 bit Vista, mainly for compatibility reasons, such as device
drivers and the majority of most software you are likely to run will do just
fine with Vista 32 bit and 4 GBs of RAM. Vista 64-bit true power lies in its
ability to address large amounts of memory beyond 4 GBs, since the buck
really stops at 4 GBs for 32 Bit Vista. There have been performance test
that yes prove that Vista 64-bit performs good with 4 GBs or more RAM but
then again, there are trade offs such as compatibility which I previously
mentioned.

Some other nice features of Vista include all device drivers must be signed
before they can be installed on the system, Patch Guard which prevents the
OS kernel from be patched or altered by third party software. So, there are
some try security benefits there too.
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"tcukran" <tcukran.331fa3@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
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>
> Hi ,
>
> About 7 months ago I bought a Toshiba notebook (A100-599) and there is
> 32bit vista home premium comes with it. But after a while I got bored
> and installed xp maybe it's because everyone was saying things like
> vista is not ready yet...
> The thing I wonder is should I stick with the 32bit home premium or go
> buy a 64 bit ? I actually don't know if my laptop can run 64bit but it
> says that core2duo processors can do it.
> If someone can help me out of this I'll be really glad .
>
> PS : I'm a normal home user, I don't really use programs that can push
> the processor too hard but still I use photoshop and play games
> sometimes. Is there an important performance difference between 32bit
> and 64bit ?
>
>
> --
> tcukran



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Old 01-11-2008
the wharf rat
 

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Re: 32bit or 64bit ?
In article <esfpT8JVIHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,
Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Industry or end users. For instance, suppose you start doing a lot of
>technical work that goes beyond the limits of 32 bit computing requiring
>more than 4 GBs of RAM and real 64 bit OS such as the 64 bit version of
>Vista, then you won't have to worry about changing out all your hardware to
>take advantage of it.


IMHO the real question is what could a home user do that would
require a terabyte address space? Even if you do work that requires 64 bit
it's still a chore to get an environment set up. Too much stuff needs to
be rebuilt for 64 bits.

Unless you run Solaris (ObUnix lol)

>
>Some other nice features of Vista include all device drivers must be signed


*THAT* is a ****BUG**** and NOT a feature!

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Old 01-11-2008
Bobby McNulty
 

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Re: 32bit or 64bit ?

"the wharf rat" <wrat@panix.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>Some other nice features of Vista include all device drivers must be
>>signed

>
> *THAT* is a ****BUG**** and NOT a feature!
>

Not really.

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Old 01-12-2008
the wharf rat
 

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Re: 32bit or 64bit ?
In article <87B27DC4-5B5D-47A7-90C9-52446881ED3F@microsoft.com>,
Bobby McNulty <snyder100@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>

>Not really.
>


Yes, really.

A properly designed system might go so far as to warn you and
ask for an acceptance. REFUSING to run software unless the vendor has
bribed MS to sign it is a stupid misdesign promulgated by a company
convinced that because they wield monopoly power they can continue to
gouge their own vendors as much as they do their customers.

It's a STUPID DESIGN BUG MEANT TO LOCK IN ANOTHER REVENUE STREAM
AND SET CONTENT PROVIDER CONTROL OVER DRM IN DIGITAL STONE. A BUG, do
you hear me??? Bug! Bug! BUUUGGGGGGG!!!!!!



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Old 01-12-2008
Kerry Brown
 

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Re: 32bit or 64bit ?
"tcukran" <tcukran.331fa3@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
news:tcukran.331fa3@no-mx.forums.net...
>
> Hi ,
>
> About 7 months ago I bought a Toshiba notebook (A100-599) and there is
> 32bit vista home premium comes with it. But after a while I got bored
> and installed xp maybe it's because everyone was saying things like
> vista is not ready yet...
> The thing I wonder is should I stick with the 32bit home premium or go
> buy a 64 bit ? I actually don't know if my laptop can run 64bit but it
> says that core2duo processors can do it.
> If someone can help me out of this I'll be really glad .
>
> PS : I'm a normal home user, I don't really use programs that can push
> the processor too hard but still I use photoshop and play games
> sometimes. Is there an important performance difference between 32bit
> and 64bit ?
>
>



To use 4 GB or more of RAM you need 64 bit Vista. RAM is relatively cheap
and getting cheaper. You can't upgrade from 32 bit to 64 bit. You have to do
a clean install. This means if you max out your RAM you won't be able to use
all of it or you will have to install Vista x64. You would have to backup
your data. Do a clean install of Vista x64. Reinstall all your programs.
Then restore your data.

I find Vista x64 better at multitasking. I can run more programs at the same
time with less problems than the same hardware with Vista x86. I don't
notice any speed difference when running one or two programs. When do
something like watch a video while checking my email and running a couple of
virtual pc's at the same time Vista x64 is much faster.

As other's have mentioned you may run into some compatibility problems with
Vista x64. This isn't as bad as some people make out though. Do a bit of
research. If your hardware and programs are compatible (most are) I'd
recommend Vista x64 over Vista x86.

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Old 01-13-2008
DarkSentinel
 

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Re: 32bit or 64bit ?
"the wharf rat" <wrat@panix.com> wrote in message
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> In article <87B27DC4-5B5D-47A7-90C9-52446881ED3F@microsoft.com>,
> Bobby McNulty <snyder100@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>

>>Not really.
>>

>
> Yes, really.
>
> A properly designed system might go so far as to warn you and
> ask for an acceptance. REFUSING to run software unless the vendor has
> bribed MS to sign it is a stupid misdesign promulgated by a company
> convinced that because they wield monopoly power they can continue to
> gouge their own vendors as much as they do their customers.
>
> It's a STUPID DESIGN BUG MEANT TO LOCK IN ANOTHER REVENUE STREAM
> AND SET CONTENT PROVIDER CONTROL OVER DRM IN DIGITAL STONE. A BUG, do
> you hear me??? Bug! Bug! BUUUGGGGGGG!!!!!!


Because you do not like it, does NOT make it a bug. A bug is defined where
it relates to this area as...

a defect or imperfection, as in a mechanical device, computer program, or
plan; glitch

Since it is done knowingly and by design, it cannot therefore be a bug. I
would rather have the drivers signed as it forces the mfr to step up and get
it right. A PRIME example is nVidia's lack of S.M.A.R.T. capability in their
Vista SATA drivers. If they can make it work in XP there is no reason it
shouldn't under Vista. I would say if Microsoft pisses you off THAT badly,
perhaps you should go to an Apple system. Or perhaps a flavor of Linux.

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