linux might be better for you

In article <O1KZT$FEIHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>,
noone@afakeddomain.net says...
> Leythos wrote:
> > In article <fevbre$4k3$8@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...
> >> I can see it's been a long time since you've tried Linux and I doubt
> >> very seriously you've tried Ubuntu.
> >
> > Downloaded Ubuntu 7.0.4 (current release) and installed it for a user
> > that had compromised their machine many times. Simple needs, video,
> > email, pop3 email, printer, word processor.
> >
> > Installed Ubuntu - took about 20 minutes from wipe to first user.
> >
> > Setup Evolution - but it doesn't insert a blank line when doing a reply.
> >
> > About 20 more minutes of trying to find a Lexmark X6100 printer driver
> > to find that Lexmark doesn't have many printer drivers. X6100 is not
> > supported on Ubuntu by Lexmark at all - in fact, of all the O/S's listed
> > as supported, Ubuntu is NOT ONE OF THEM.
> >
> > Video support, 1024x768 60hz and 800x600 60hz only - monitor does a lot
> > better than that.
> >
> > Speed - slower than same machine with XP Prof on it and AVG for
> > antivirus.
> >
> > Updates - now this is the funny part - did an update, 125 packages to
> > update, looks like about 45 minutes to download them... (and I've got a
> > dedicated 6mbps pipe on a business internet connection).
> >
> > So, unless I can hack a Lexmark driver we're going to have to go back to
> > XP which fully supports the hardware and user.
> >
> Given that your user will most likely experience more of the same in
> terms of compromises if returned to xp, and that the only real nits to
> pick are evolution and the lexmark 6100, why not use tbird, and find a
> printer solution other than lexmark? The printer issue is no different
> than what many vista users have had to endure with no drivers available
> for their previously functional hardware. And since the user may not
> require your services so often, the cost of a new, linux friendly
> printer should not be much of a financial issue (for him, not you).

I actually like Evolution, it's a good product. Lexmark - yuck, not much
I can do about that.

The point of this is that even on a 2 year old machine, Ubuntu doesn't
support as much as XP does, on a common home users home computer.

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Leythos wrote:
> In article <O1KZT$FEIHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>,
> noone@afakeddomain.net says...
>> Leythos wrote:
>>> In article <fevbre$4k3$8@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...
>>>> I can see it's been a long time since you've tried Linux and I doubt
>>>> very seriously you've tried Ubuntu.
>>> Downloaded Ubuntu 7.0.4 (current release) and installed it for a user
>>> that had compromised their machine many times. Simple needs, video,
>>> email, pop3 email, printer, word processor.
>>>
>>> Installed Ubuntu - took about 20 minutes from wipe to first user.
>>>
>>> Setup Evolution - but it doesn't insert a blank line when doing a reply.
>>>
>>> About 20 more minutes of trying to find a Lexmark X6100 printer driver
>>> to find that Lexmark doesn't have many printer drivers. X6100 is not
>>> supported on Ubuntu by Lexmark at all - in fact, of all the O/S's listed
>>> as supported, Ubuntu is NOT ONE OF THEM.
>>>
>>> Video support, 1024x768 60hz and 800x600 60hz only - monitor does a lot
>>> better than that.
>>>
>>> Speed - slower than same machine with XP Prof on it and AVG for
>>> antivirus.
>>>
>>> Updates - now this is the funny part - did an update, 125 packages to
>>> update, looks like about 45 minutes to download them... (and I've got a
>>> dedicated 6mbps pipe on a business internet connection).
>>>
>>> So, unless I can hack a Lexmark driver we're going to have to go back to
>>> XP which fully supports the hardware and user.
>>>
>> Given that your user will most likely experience more of the same in
>> terms of compromises if returned to xp, and that the only real nits to
>> pick are evolution and the lexmark 6100, why not use tbird, and find a
>> printer solution other than lexmark? The printer issue is no different
>> than what many vista users have had to endure with no drivers available
>> for their previously functional hardware. And since the user may not
>> require your services so often, the cost of a new, linux friendly
>> printer should not be much of a financial issue (for him, not you).
>
> I actually like Evolution, it's a good product. Lexmark - yuck, not much
> I can do about that.
>
> The point of this is that even on a 2 year old machine, Ubuntu doesn't
> support as much as XP does, on a common home users home computer.
>


I can't see anyone without an axe to grind disagreeing with that, XP is
so good with hardware (Naturally or nobody could sell the hardware) that
Vista was for many a disappointment. I mean it "Feels" like a huge
step backwards.

You might consider a look at a program called "ENVY" if teh PC has
NVidia GFX card and you probably could simply add 1280 X 1024 to the
list of resolutions in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (Note capital X) but that
might just put you back in the command like so copy

sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf somewhere you can copy it into a terminal
and execute it once before you start , then cursor up will get you there

In article <ub00tOHEIHA.6120@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, charlie@tames.net
says...
> Leythos wrote:
> > In article <O1KZT$FEIHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>,
> > noone@afakeddomain.net says...
> >> Leythos wrote:
> >>> In article <fevbre$4k3$8@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...
> >>>> I can see it's been a long time since you've tried Linux and I doubt
> >>>> very seriously you've tried Ubuntu.
> >>> Downloaded Ubuntu 7.0.4 (current release) and installed it for a user
> >>> that had compromised their machine many times. Simple needs, video,
> >>> email, pop3 email, printer, word processor.
> >>>
> >>> Installed Ubuntu - took about 20 minutes from wipe to first user.
> >>>
> >>> Setup Evolution - but it doesn't insert a blank line when doing a reply.
> >>>
> >>> About 20 more minutes of trying to find a Lexmark X6100 printer driver
> >>> to find that Lexmark doesn't have many printer drivers. X6100 is not
> >>> supported on Ubuntu by Lexmark at all - in fact, of all the O/S's listed
> >>> as supported, Ubuntu is NOT ONE OF THEM.
> >>>
> >>> Video support, 1024x768 60hz and 800x600 60hz only - monitor does a lot
> >>> better than that.
> >>>
> >>> Speed - slower than same machine with XP Prof on it and AVG for
> >>> antivirus.
> >>>
> >>> Updates - now this is the funny part - did an update, 125 packages to
> >>> update, looks like about 45 minutes to download them... (and I've got a
> >>> dedicated 6mbps pipe on a business internet connection).
> >>>
> >>> So, unless I can hack a Lexmark driver we're going to have to go back to
> >>> XP which fully supports the hardware and user.
> >>>
> >> Given that your user will most likely experience more of the same in
> >> terms of compromises if returned to xp, and that the only real nits to
> >> pick are evolution and the lexmark 6100, why not use tbird, and find a
> >> printer solution other than lexmark? The printer issue is no different
> >> than what many vista users have had to endure with no drivers available
> >> for their previously functional hardware. And since the user may not
> >> require your services so often, the cost of a new, linux friendly
> >> printer should not be much of a financial issue (for him, not you).
> >
> > I actually like Evolution, it's a good product. Lexmark - yuck, not much
> > I can do about that.
> >
> > The point of this is that even on a 2 year old machine, Ubuntu doesn't
> > support as much as XP does, on a common home users home computer.
> >
>
>
> I can't see anyone without an axe to grind disagreeing with that, XP is
> so good with hardware (Naturally or nobody could sell the hardware) that
> Vista was for many a disappointment. I mean it "Feels" like a huge
> step backwards.
>
> You might consider a look at a program called "ENVY" if teh PC has
> NVidia GFX card and you probably could simply add 1280 X 1024 to the
> list of resolutions in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (Note capital X) but that
> might just put you back in the command like so copy
>
> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf somewhere you can copy it into a terminal
> and execute it once before you start , then cursor up will get you there

LOL - that brings back memories of having to hack the config file using
vi when I installed mandrake on another machine.

What I was trying to show is that for many, Linux is still not viable -
it's about hardware and working with non-open source types that kills
it.

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

Leythos wrote:
> In article <ub00tOHEIHA.6120@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, charlie@tames.net
> says...
>> Leythos wrote:
>>> In article <O1KZT$FEIHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>,
>>> noone@afakeddomain.net says...
>>>> Leythos wrote:
>>>>> In article <fevbre$4k3$8@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...
>>>>>> I can see it's been a long time since you've tried Linux and I doubt
>>>>>> very seriously you've tried Ubuntu.
>>>>> Downloaded Ubuntu 7.0.4 (current release) and installed it for a user
>>>>> that had compromised their machine many times. Simple needs, video,
>>>>> email, pop3 email, printer, word processor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Installed Ubuntu - took about 20 minutes from wipe to first user.
>>>>>
>>>>> Setup Evolution - but it doesn't insert a blank line when doing a reply.
>>>>>
>>>>> About 20 more minutes of trying to find a Lexmark X6100 printer driver
>>>>> to find that Lexmark doesn't have many printer drivers. X6100 is not
>>>>> supported on Ubuntu by Lexmark at all - in fact, of all the O/S's listed
>>>>> as supported, Ubuntu is NOT ONE OF THEM.
>>>>>
>>>>> Video support, 1024x768 60hz and 800x600 60hz only - monitor does a lot
>>>>> better than that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Speed - slower than same machine with XP Prof on it and AVG for
>>>>> antivirus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Updates - now this is the funny part - did an update, 125 packages to
>>>>> update, looks like about 45 minutes to download them... (and I've got a
>>>>> dedicated 6mbps pipe on a business internet connection).
>>>>>
>>>>> So, unless I can hack a Lexmark driver we're going to have to go back to
>>>>> XP which fully supports the hardware and user.
>>>>>
>>>> Given that your user will most likely experience more of the same in
>>>> terms of compromises if returned to xp, and that the only real nits to
>>>> pick are evolution and the lexmark 6100, why not use tbird, and find a
>>>> printer solution other than lexmark? The printer issue is no different
>>>> than what many vista users have had to endure with no drivers available
>>>> for their previously functional hardware. And since the user may not
>>>> require your services so often, the cost of a new, linux friendly
>>>> printer should not be much of a financial issue (for him, not you).
>>> I actually like Evolution, it's a good product. Lexmark - yuck, not much
>>> I can do about that.
>>>
>>> The point of this is that even on a 2 year old machine, Ubuntu doesn't
>>> support as much as XP does, on a common home users home computer.
>>>
>>
>> I can't see anyone without an axe to grind disagreeing with that, XP is
>> so good with hardware (Naturally or nobody could sell the hardware) that
>> Vista was for many a disappointment. I mean it "Feels" like a huge
>> step backwards.
>>
>> You might consider a look at a program called "ENVY" if teh PC has
>> NVidia GFX card and you probably could simply add 1280 X 1024 to the
>> list of resolutions in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (Note capital X) but that
>> might just put you back in the command like so copy
>>
>> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf somewhere you can copy it into a terminal
>> and execute it once before you start , then cursor up will get you there
>
> LOL - that brings back memories of having to hack the config file using
> vi when I installed mandrake on another machine.
>
> What I was trying to show is that for many, Linux is still not viable -
> it's about hardware and working with non-open source types that kills
> it.
>

I tend to agree, there is a lack of simple information which is partly
due to the diversity, what I said above might well have 6 versions for
different linux.

I've recently set up several machines just for the hell of it and the
config ended up different on all of them, and I couldn't equate some of
the differences with anything if you know whet I mean, one system uses
one variable, one another and one has none at all for the particular
setting so the default must be good

So a lot of the info is out there, but not easily found.

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:28:18 -0400, Leythos wrote:

> In article <ub00tOHEIHA.6120@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, charlie@tames.net
> says...
>> Leythos wrote:
>> > In article <O1KZT$FEIHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>,
>> > noone@afakeddomain.net says...
>> >> Leythos wrote:
>> >>> In article <fevbre$4k3$8@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...
>> >>>> I can see it's been a long time since you've tried Linux and I
>> >>>> doubt very seriously you've tried Ubuntu.
>> >>> Downloaded Ubuntu 7.0.4 (current release) and installed it for a
>> >>> user that had compromised their machine many times. Simple needs,
>> >>> video, email, pop3 email, printer, word processor.
>> >>>
>> >>> Installed Ubuntu - took about 20 minutes from wipe to first user.
>> >>>
>> >>> Setup Evolution - but it doesn't insert a blank line when doing a
>> >>> reply.
>> >>>
>> >>> About 20 more minutes of trying to find a Lexmark X6100 printer
>> >>> driver to find that Lexmark doesn't have many printer drivers.
>> >>> X6100 is not supported on Ubuntu by Lexmark at all - in fact, of
>> >>> all the O/S's listed as supported, Ubuntu is NOT ONE OF THEM.
>> >>>
>> >>> Video support, 1024x768 60hz and 800x600 60hz only - monitor does a
>> >>> lot better than that.
>> >>>
>> >>> Speed - slower than same machine with XP Prof on it and AVG for
>> >>> antivirus.
>> >>>
>> >>> Updates - now this is the funny part - did an update, 125 packages
>> >>> to update, looks like about 45 minutes to download them... (and
>> >>> I've got a dedicated 6mbps pipe on a business internet connection).
>> >>>
>> >>> So, unless I can hack a Lexmark driver we're going to have to go
>> >>> back to XP which fully supports the hardware and user.
>> >>>
>> >> Given that your user will most likely experience more of the same in
>> >> terms of compromises if returned to xp, and that the only real nits
>> >> to pick are evolution and the lexmark 6100, why not use tbird, and
>> >> find a printer solution other than lexmark? The printer issue is no
>> >> different than what many vista users have had to endure with no
>> >> drivers available for their previously functional hardware. And
>> >> since the user may not require your services so often, the cost of a
>> >> new, linux friendly printer should not be much of a financial issue
>> >> (for him, not you).
>> >
>> > I actually like Evolution, it's a good product. Lexmark - yuck, not
>> > much I can do about that.
>> >
>> > The point of this is that even on a 2 year old machine, Ubuntu
>> > doesn't support as much as XP does, on a common home users home
>> > computer.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I can't see anyone without an axe to grind disagreeing with that, XP is
>> so good with hardware (Naturally or nobody could sell the hardware)
>> that
>> Vista was for many a disappointment. I mean it "Feels" like a huge
>> step backwards.
>>
>> You might consider a look at a program called "ENVY" if teh PC has
>> NVidia GFX card and you probably could simply add 1280 X 1024 to the
>> list of resolutions in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (Note capital X) but that
>> might just put you back in the command like so copy
>>
>> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf somewhere you can copy it into a terminal
>> and execute it once before you start , then cursor up will get you
>> there
>
> LOL - that brings back memories of having to hack the config file using
> vi when I installed mandrake on another machine.
>
> What I was trying to show is that for many, Linux is still not viable -
> it's about hardware and working with non-open source types that kills
> it.

You might want to try the new Ubuntu 7.10 that will be released tomorrow
(18th). I suspect that the graphics issue you were having will be solved
as 7.10 has had a major overhaul in the graphics department.

Let me put it this way, 7.04 did not recognize my nVidia 8800 GTX and
dumped me on a 1024x768 desktop (default vesa driver resolution). I
suspect this is what is happening for you right now as well.

7.10 fully recognizes my 8800 GTX and gives me my 1600x1200 resolution.

About the only thing you may possibly have to do is go to the restricted
drivers manager (System->Administration->Restricted Drivers) and enable
the proprietary video card driver if necessary.

On that note, printers also have had an overhaul. They are supposed to be
plug and play auto-detect now without even the need to manually add the
printer. Just plug it in and print away.

I've yet to be able to test this though and I can't say if lexmark
support is any better. Only use HP printers and they are connected via
Ethernet.

--
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2003 Yamaha R6

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In article <uOSdnfmzv4QI0YvanZ2dnUVZ8rOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
nospam@spammer.com says...
> You might want to try the new Ubuntu 7.10 that will be released tomorrow
> (18th). I suspect that the graphics issue you were having will be solved
> as 7.10 has had a major overhaul in the graphics department.

Wonder what the upgrade path is?


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- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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Leythos wrote:
> In article <uOSdnfmzv4QI0YvanZ2dnUVZ8rOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> nospam@spammer.com says...
>> You might want to try the new Ubuntu 7.10 that will be released tomorrow
>> (18th). I suspect that the graphics issue you were having will be solved
>> as 7.10 has had a major overhaul in the graphics department.
>
> Wonder what the upgrade path is?
>
>

FWIW I tried the Beta on here (Very few problems same setup previous
release 7.04) and it was truly crap, so I will hold my breath for a few
more hours.

Stephan seems to have done alright with it in Beta so probably a
combination of factors including the HW.

Leythos wrote:
> In article <uOSdnfmzv4QI0YvanZ2dnUVZ8rOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> nospam@spammer.com says...
>> You might want to try the new Ubuntu 7.10 that will be released tomorrow
>> (18th). I suspect that the graphics issue you were having will be solved
>> as 7.10 has had a major overhaul in the graphics department.
>
> Wonder what the upgrade path is?
>
>
It can be done using the upgrade manager.

--
norm

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:59:53 -0400, Leythos wrote:

> In article <uOSdnfmzv4QI0YvanZ2dnUVZ8rOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> nospam@spammer.com says...
>> You might want to try the new Ubuntu 7.10 that will be released
>> tomorrow (18th). I suspect that the graphics issue you were having will
>> be solved as 7.10 has had a major overhaul in the graphics department.
>
> Wonder what the upgrade path is?

I usually don't do in-place upgrades as I have my system setup where my
root and home partitions are separated. Allows me to do a reinstall
without affecting my data in about 90 minutes. Comes in handy when
running beta versions. =)

But either way, you can do an in-place upgrade either by running "sudo
upate-manager -c" from a command line. That'll initiate a distribution
upgrade check for the update manager and then you can go from there with
the GUI and it'll download all the new stuff. Expect it to take quite
some time though.

The other way is if you have a CD with the new version burned, you can
also use the CD to do the upgrade. I've never actually done this though
so I know little about the actual procedure involved.


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Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:23:27 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:

> Leythos wrote:
>> In article <uOSdnfmzv4QI0YvanZ2dnUVZ8rOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> nospam@spammer.com says...
>>> You might want to try the new Ubuntu 7.10 that will be released
>>> tomorrow (18th). I suspect that the graphics issue you were having
>>> will be solved as 7.10 has had a major overhaul in the graphics
>>> department.
>>
>> Wonder what the upgrade path is?
>>
>>
>>
> FWIW I tried the Beta on here (Very few problems same setup previous
> release 7.04) and it was truly crap, so I will hold my breath for a few
> more hours.
>
> Stephan seems to have done alright with it in Beta so probably a
> combination of factors including the HW.

Interesting, what was truly crap about it? What happened?

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2003 Yamaha R6

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