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Old 02-28-2007
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Vista Upgrade from XP Upgrade
Currently, I have an upgrade version of Windows XP from Windows 98. I'm
thinking of buying the upgrade version of Vista Ultimate upon its release in
January 2007.

here's my question: Will a Vista upgrade version work off of an XP upgrade
version, or do I need to get a copy of a full install Windows XP version in
order for the upgrade to work?

Thanks in advance for the help.

-Bryan
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Old 02-28-2007
Colin Barnhorst
 

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Re: Vista Upgrade from XP Upgrade
Neither. You just have to run the Upgrade Edition Setup from the XP
desktop. The Upgrade Editions do not work like XP. There is no way to
install Vista by booting with an Upgrade Edition, you have to start it from
the XP (or Win2K) desktop by inserting the dvd. This means that the shiny
media is irrelevant. Unlike XP Upgrade Editions, you do not have the
flexibility to provide a cd to verify that you own the legacy OS. Now it
has to be that you are running Win2000 or XP on the machine. XP needs to be
validated. You may do an upgrade or custom install from that point,
however. The product key you enter determines not only what edition you
will install but whether or not you are using a full or upgrade edition to
do it.

And don't worry, the retail upgrade edition dvd is bootable so all the WinRE
tools like System Restore are still accessible.

> here's my question: Will a Vista upgrade version work off of an XP
> upgrade
> version, or do I need to get a copy of a full install Windows XP version
> in
> order for the upgrade to work?
>
> Thanks in advance for the help.
>
> -Bryan



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Old 02-28-2007
Dr. Heywood Floyd
 

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Re: Vista Upgrade from XP Upgrade
Yes

Bryan wrote:

<SNIP>
> here's my question: Will a Vista upgrade version work off of an XP upgrade
> version,


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Old 02-28-2007
Nina DiBoy
 

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Re: Vista Upgrade from XP Upgrade
Colin Barnhorst wrote:
> Neither. You just have to run the Upgrade Edition Setup from the XP
> desktop. The Upgrade Editions do not work like XP. There is no way to
> install Vista by booting with an Upgrade Edition, you have to start it from
> the XP (or Win2K) desktop by inserting the dvd. This means that the shiny
> media is irrelevant. Unlike XP Upgrade Editions, you do not have the
> flexibility to provide a cd to verify that you own the legacy OS. Now it
> has to be that you are running Win2000 or XP on the machine. XP needs to be
> validated. You may do an upgrade or custom install from that point,
> however. The product key you enter determines not only what edition you
> will install but whether or not you are using a full or upgrade edition to
> do it.
>
> And don't worry, the retail upgrade edition dvd is bootable so all the WinRE
> tools like System Restore are still accessible.


Hi Colin.

Where did you get this information about the Vista upgrade media (that
one can't boot off of it and do a clean install)?

Thanks!

>
>> here's my question: Will a Vista upgrade version work off of an XP
>> upgrade
>> version, or do I need to get a copy of a full install Windows XP version
>> in
>> order for the upgrade to work?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for the help.
>>
>> -Bryan

>
>




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Colin Barnhorst
 

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Re: Vista Upgrade from XP Upgrade
Darrell Gorter (MSFT) told us in this thread (and I know from a couple of
chats). When you boot with the dvd and start Setup you are asked for the
Vista Product Key. The key you put in determines whether you can proceed
with an installation of Vista or need to boot into the legacy OS and run
Setup from the desktop. The PK for an Upgrade Edition will reslult in a
message to the effect that "the product key you have entered requires that
you exit setup, restart your computer, and run setup from the desktop of the
system you are upgrading."

I have never seen the Advanced Options button show up when running Setup
from a desktop, so I don't see any way to format the target partition.

The closest thing to doing a classic clean install with an Upgrade Edition
would be to format the target drive prior to starting Setup, reinstall Win2k
or XP, install any driver needed for internet access, activate as needed,
and then run the Vista UE Setup from the desktop. Vista Setup would then
put the legacy Windows files in Windows.old, which you can delete
afterwards. That should leave virtually nothing on the disk but the Vista
installation.

Vista is installed quite differently from XP and earlier, so any
installation of the OS, even an upgrade, is a clean install of the OS. The
problem is how to deal with having to do an upgrade when what you want is a
clean install. I think the above is about as good as it can get when using
an Upgrade Edition of Vista.

I hope this helps with your issue.

"Nina DiBoy" <nin@di.boy> wrote in message
news:457ebe2e$0$15557$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
>> Neither. You just have to run the Upgrade Edition Setup from the XP
>> desktop. The Upgrade Editions do not work like XP. There is no way to
>> install Vista by booting with an Upgrade Edition, you have to start it
>> from the XP (or Win2K) desktop by inserting the dvd. This means that the
>> shiny media is irrelevant. Unlike XP Upgrade Editions, you do not have
>> the flexibility to provide a cd to verify that you own the legacy OS.
>> Now it has to be that you are running Win2000 or XP on the machine. XP
>> needs to be validated. You may do an upgrade or custom install from that
>> point, however. The product key you enter determines not only what
>> edition you will install but whether or not you are using a full or
>> upgrade edition to do it.
>>
>> And don't worry, the retail upgrade edition dvd is bootable so all the
>> WinRE tools like System Restore are still accessible.

>
> Hi Colin.
>
> Where did you get this information about the Vista upgrade media (that one
> can't boot off of it and do a clean install)?
>
> Thanks!
>
>>
>>> here's my question: Will a Vista upgrade version work off of an XP
>>> upgrade
>>> version, or do I need to get a copy of a full install Windows XP version
>>> in
>>> order for the upgrade to work?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for the help.
>>>
>>> -Bryan

>>
>>

>
>
>
> --
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>
> "Price is actually no factor in piracy..." spoken by
> Mike Brannigan
>
> "But I'm not insulting people. I'm insulting Linux Loonies..."
> spoken by Mike <no@where.man>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>


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Old 02-28-2007
Nina DiBoy
 

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Re: Vista Upgrade from XP Upgrade
Colin Barnhorst wrote:
> Darrell Gorter (MSFT) told us in this thread (and I know from a couple
> of chats). When you boot with the dvd and start Setup you are asked for
> the Vista Product Key. The key you put in determines whether you can
> proceed with an installation of Vista or need to boot into the legacy OS
> and run Setup from the desktop. The PK for an Upgrade Edition will
> reslult in a message to the effect that "the product key you have
> entered requires that you exit setup, restart your computer, and run
> setup from the desktop of the system you are upgrading."
>
> I have never seen the Advanced Options button show up when running Setup
> from a desktop, so I don't see any way to format the target partition.
>
> The closest thing to doing a classic clean install with an Upgrade
> Edition would be to format the target drive prior to starting Setup,
> reinstall Win2k or XP, install any driver needed for internet access,
> activate as needed, and then run the Vista UE Setup from the desktop.
> Vista Setup would then put the legacy Windows files in Windows.old,
> which you can delete afterwards. That should leave virtually nothing on
> the disk but the Vista installation.
>
> Vista is installed quite differently from XP and earlier, so any
> installation of the OS, even an upgrade, is a clean install of the OS.
> The problem is how to deal with having to do an upgrade when what you
> want is a clean install. I think the above is about as good as it can
> get when using an Upgrade Edition of Vista.
>
> I hope this helps with your issue.


Yes Colin, thank you. If you do ever find a link from Microsoft stating
this, please let me know. Appreciate the help!

>
> "Nina DiBoy" <nin@di.boy> wrote in message
> news:457ebe2e$0$15557$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
>>> Neither. You just have to run the Upgrade Edition Setup from the XP
>>> desktop. The Upgrade Editions do not work like XP. There is no way
>>> to install Vista by booting with an Upgrade Edition, you have to
>>> start it from the XP (or Win2K) desktop by inserting the dvd. This
>>> means that the shiny media is irrelevant. Unlike XP Upgrade
>>> Editions, you do not have the flexibility to provide a cd to verify
>>> that you own the legacy OS. Now it has to be that you are running
>>> Win2000 or XP on the machine. XP needs to be validated. You may do
>>> an upgrade or custom install from that point, however. The product
>>> key you enter determines not only what edition you will install but
>>> whether or not you are using a full or upgrade edition to do it.
>>>
>>> And don't worry, the retail upgrade edition dvd is bootable so all
>>> the WinRE tools like System Restore are still accessible.

>>
>> Hi Colin.
>>
>> Where did you get this information about the Vista upgrade media (that
>> one can't boot off of it and do a clean install)?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>>
>>>> here's my question: Will a Vista upgrade version work off of an XP
>>>> upgrade
>>>> version, or do I need to get a copy of a full install Windows XP
>>>> version in
>>>> order for the upgrade to work?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for the help.
>>>>
>>>> -Bryan
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
>>
>> "Price is actually no factor in piracy..." spoken by
>> Mike Brannigan
>>
>> "But I'm not insulting people. I'm insulting Linux Loonies..."
>> spoken by Mike <no@where.man>
>>
>> --
>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>

>




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