Re: Disk Defragmenter--Chat with Disk Defrag/Vista Teams on Defrag

I just realized that we are talking about the same thing.

"Chad Harris" <FixVista'nRedmondToo@kickit.net> wrote in message
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> Colin --
>
> What do those terms mean "on line" version and local? Since the first day
> of the original Beta for WOC back in 2004 or 2005 whichever it was, I have
> been using on line versions.
>
> I forgot to mention it includes the defragmenter that is the low end one
> used in Vista as well.
>
> CH
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:u3Sxp5PFHHA.1080@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>I saw it on the online version but thought I had seen it on the local.
>>
>> "Chad Harris" <FixVista'nRedmondToo@kickit.net> wrote in message
>> news:uSypNyOFHHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Colin--
>>>
>>> One care has these but no reg cleaner--essentially it has defrag,
>>> cleanup capability, backup, and antivirus.
>>>
>>> Their feeling on the backup was to make it simple.
>>>
>>> Learn about Windows Live OneCare, the new comprehensive PC care service
>>> from Microsoft.
>>> www.windowsonecare.com/prodinfo/features.aspx
>>>
>>> It plans to add some features:
>>> http://windowsonecare.spaces.live.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> I have used the regcleaner Registy Mechanic, from what used to be called
>>> www.winguides.com or now www.pctools.com
>>>
>>> http://www.pctools.com/registry-mechanic/. I felt pretty confident,
>>> because the people associated with the site who develop their software
>>> have a serious command and respect for the registry, but you still
>>> couldn't verify exactly that it did what it claimed to do.
>>>
>>> They also make a popular gui interface tweaker:
>>> http://www.winguides.com/tweak/
>>>
>>> As you know the common complaint on the backup for One Care and Vista
>>> (which in One Care would be worth the price itself at $33 for 3 licenses
>>> I see in stores and less with rebate) is that it won't backup at the
>>> file level.
>>>
>>> While I understand somewhat MSFT's explanation voice by Jill Zoeller
>>> that they wanted to make it user friendly for novices and they should be
>>> applauded for trying to get backup in the hands of all Windows users,
>>> you can't help but notice that browse is a very basic fundtion in
>>> Windows and I believe that the company that is trying to write extensive
>>> help articles from the help server and help web site for Vista,
>>> (helppane.exe
>>> command at the run box in Vista), and/or their site
>>> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...S/default.mspx
>>> could have made simple directions and screen shotted instructions so
>>> that they could have made a more sophisticated backup. Any of us could
>>> have written them, and MSFT could have as well.
>>>
>>> CH
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%23xwg4qLFHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> Doesn't One Care also include a registry cleaner in addition to the
>>>> items you listed for it in #4?
>>>>
>>>>> But I disagree with others in that I think that the Windows OS should
>>>>> include all of these "utilities" that you buy from third parties.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. The best defrag including registry defrag.
>>>>> 2. Registry cleaner.
>>>>> 3. Privacy software (e.g. hide IP address if desired)
>>>>> 4. Windows Live (e.g. firewall, anti-spyware, anti-virus).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Sure. And I recommend it to people all the time. But it seemed you were
equating it with a reg cleaner and I may have misinterpreted the sequence or
context of your post there.

I would be interested in your opinions of them. I used to collect them, and
winguides sells one and they are a good group of people and very good with
reg tweaks having offered well over a thousand on their tweaker at

www.winguides.com for gui tweaking (it would be nice if they included in
that app the actual method they use to tweak the reg--somewhat the way
Kelly MVP does on her sight with a right click and printing out the reg
edits in notepad.

CH

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
news:OJWVnnXFHHA.4636@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> There is an online service equivalent of Live One Care that is something
> like what Antivirus vendors provide on their websites for a one time scan.
> A web-based app. I used it some a few months ago. A couple of weeks ago
> an MS support person ran it on my wife's laptop in a remote assistance
> session. I don't know if it is still publically available but it was at
> one time.
>
> "Chad Harris" <FixVista'nRedmondToo@kickit.net> wrote in message
> news:%23pxT7MVFHHA.3268@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Colin --
>>
>> What do those terms mean "on line" version and local? Since the first
>> day of the original Beta for WOC back in 2004 or 2005 whichever it was, I
>> have been using on line versions.
>>
>> I forgot to mention it includes the defragmenter that is the low end one
>> used in Vista as well.
>>
>> CH
>>
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:u3Sxp5PFHHA.1080@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>I saw it on the online version but thought I had seen it on the local.
>>>
>>> "Chad Harris" <FixVista'nRedmondToo@kickit.net> wrote in message
>>> news:uSypNyOFHHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> Colin--
>>>>
>>>> One care has these but no reg cleaner--essentially it has defrag,
>>>> cleanup capability, backup, and antivirus.
>>>>
>>>> Their feeling on the backup was to make it simple.
>>>>
>>>> Learn about Windows Live OneCare, the new comprehensive PC care service
>>>> from Microsoft.
>>>> www.windowsonecare.com/prodinfo/features.aspx
>>>>
>>>> It plans to add some features:
>>>> http://windowsonecare.spaces.live.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have used the regcleaner Registy Mechanic, from what used to be
>>>> called www.winguides.com or now www.pctools.com
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pctools.com/registry-mechanic/. I felt pretty confident,
>>>> because the people associated with the site who develop their software
>>>> have a serious command and respect for the registry, but you still
>>>> couldn't verify exactly that it did what it claimed to do.
>>>>
>>>> They also make a popular gui interface tweaker:
>>>> http://www.winguides.com/tweak/
>>>>
>>>> As you know the common complaint on the backup for One Care and Vista
>>>> (which in One Care would be worth the price itself at $33 for 3
>>>> licenses I see in stores and less with rebate) is that it won't backup
>>>> at the file level.
>>>>
>>>> While I understand somewhat MSFT's explanation voice by Jill Zoeller
>>>> that they wanted to make it user friendly for novices and they should
>>>> be applauded for trying to get backup in the hands of all Windows
>>>> users, you can't help but notice that browse is a very basic fundtion
>>>> in Windows and I believe that the company that is trying to write
>>>> extensive help articles from the help server and help web site for
>>>> Vista, (helppane.exe
>>>> command at the run box in Vista), and/or their site
>>>> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...S/default.mspx
>>>> could have made simple directions and screen shotted instructions so
>>>> that they could have made a more sophisticated backup. Any of us could
>>>> have written them, and MSFT could have as well.
>>>>
>>>> CH
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23xwg4qLFHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Doesn't One Care also include a registry cleaner in addition to the
>>>>> items you listed for it in #4?
>>>>>
>>>>>> But I disagree with others in that I think that the Windows OS should
>>>>>> include all of these "utilities" that you buy from third parties.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. The best defrag including registry defrag.
>>>>>> 2. Registry cleaner.
>>>>>> 3. Privacy software (e.g. hide IP address if desired)
>>>>>> 4. Windows Live (e.g. firewall, anti-spyware, anti-virus).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

I do not use them unless I am having some problem installing something or
some other mysterious issue. Then I run Registry First Aid. On rare
occasions it will resolve the problem. Otherwise I am comfortable knowing
that there are hundreds of entries left over from various one-time actions,
software removed long ago, etc. and don't worry about it. It never helped
with those pernicious problems, like botched Symantec stuff. If casual
users use cleaners and don't try to outguess them by overriding cautions and
forcing ill-advised removals then I guess it is all OK.

"Chad Harris" <FixVista'nRedmondToo@kickit.net> wrote in message
news:udkd0pYFHHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Sure. And I recommend it to people all the time. But it seemed you were
> equating it with a reg cleaner and I may have misinterpreted the sequence
> or context of your post there.
>
> I would be interested in your opinions of them. I used to collect them,
> and winguides sells one and they are a good group of people and very good
> with reg tweaks having offered well over a thousand on their tweaker at
>
> www.winguides.com for gui tweaking (it would be nice if they included in
> that app the actual method they use to tweak the reg--somewhat the way
> Kelly MVP does on her sight with a right click and printing out the reg
> edits in notepad.
>
> CH
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:OJWVnnXFHHA.4636@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> There is an online service equivalent of Live One Care that is something
>> like what Antivirus vendors provide on their websites for a one time
>> scan. A web-based app. I used it some a few months ago. A couple of
>> weeks ago an MS support person ran it on my wife's laptop in a remote
>> assistance session. I don't know if it is still publically available but
>> it was at one time.
>>
>> "Chad Harris" <FixVista'nRedmondToo@kickit.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23pxT7MVFHHA.3268@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Colin --
>>>
>>> What do those terms mean "on line" version and local? Since the first
>>> day of the original Beta for WOC back in 2004 or 2005 whichever it was,
>>> I have been using on line versions.
>>>
>>> I forgot to mention it includes the defragmenter that is the low end one
>>> used in Vista as well.
>>>
>>> CH
>>>
>>>
>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
>>> news:u3Sxp5PFHHA.1080@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>I saw it on the online version but thought I had seen it on the local.
>>>>
>>>> "Chad Harris" <FixVista'nRedmondToo@kickit.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:uSypNyOFHHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Colin--
>>>>>
>>>>> One care has these but no reg cleaner--essentially it has defrag,
>>>>> cleanup capability, backup, and antivirus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Their feeling on the backup was to make it simple.
>>>>>
>>>>> Learn about Windows Live OneCare, the new comprehensive PC care
>>>>> service from Microsoft.
>>>>> www.windowsonecare.com/prodinfo/features.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>> It plans to add some features:
>>>>> http://windowsonecare.spaces.live.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have used the regcleaner Registy Mechanic, from what used to be
>>>>> called www.winguides.com or now www.pctools.com
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.pctools.com/registry-mechanic/. I felt pretty confident,
>>>>> because the people associated with the site who develop their software
>>>>> have a serious command and respect for the registry, but you still
>>>>> couldn't verify exactly that it did what it claimed to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> They also make a popular gui interface tweaker:
>>>>> http://www.winguides.com/tweak/
>>>>>
>>>>> As you know the common complaint on the backup for One Care and Vista
>>>>> (which in One Care would be worth the price itself at $33 for 3
>>>>> licenses I see in stores and less with rebate) is that it won't backup
>>>>> at the file level.
>>>>>
>>>>> While I understand somewhat MSFT's explanation voice by Jill Zoeller
>>>>> that they wanted to make it user friendly for novices and they should
>>>>> be applauded for trying to get backup in the hands of all Windows
>>>>> users, you can't help but notice that browse is a very basic fundtion
>>>>> in Windows and I believe that the company that is trying to write
>>>>> extensive help articles from the help server and help web site for
>>>>> Vista, (helppane.exe
>>>>> command at the run box in Vista), and/or their site
>>>>> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...S/default.mspx
>>>>> could have made simple directions and screen shotted instructions so
>>>>> that they could have made a more sophisticated backup. Any of us
>>>>> could have written them, and MSFT could have as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> CH
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23xwg4qLFHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Doesn't One Care also include a registry cleaner in addition to the
>>>>>> items you listed for it in #4?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I disagree with others in that I think that the Windows OS
>>>>>>> should include all of these "utilities" that you buy from third
>>>>>>> parties.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. The best defrag including registry defrag.
>>>>>>> 2. Registry cleaner.
>>>>>>> 3. Privacy software (e.g. hide IP address if desired)
>>>>>>> 4. Windows Live (e.g. firewall, anti-spyware, anti-virus).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Skimmed the above ... You talk about at lest two very different things: Defragmentation and Cleaning the registry.

One talk about defragmenting the registry ... You mean the RAM I think.

Diskeeper originally made Microsofts, so I stick to their very excellent program. It can also defrag MFT etc ... I will be looking forward to a program where I myself decide what programs I want to lye where. And that the usage of each file is logged. But Diskeeper have introduced this I-FAAST, which does some of the above. Not all. Anyone knows how to do this ?

Regarding the registry I use jv16, as the Finnish author Joumi or whatever his name is - to my knowledge - invented the reg clean category. I have used his program for years from version 1, and have never had any problems fumbling around in the registry using his software. I always use his agressive way of getting rid of keys, and I have long ago stopped taking backups.

So guys ... this way ... and a few more tweaks ... my dobble boot XP/Vista runs fast and crisp on my lovely 5 year old IBM Laptop .... 750 MB RAM + 1500 MHz CPU ... Nice ... Who needs new hardware, when software freaks like Joumi and the Diskeeper guys are born ?? Not me.

Next job for me will be to install Vista via an USB HD, Defragment several times, and then switch the HDs to have the most frequent used files to lie near track 0. A HD's read / write is twice as fast in the inner tracks.

Put mr. Mark Russonivics in the same category as the folks above. Sysinternals.

Regards ... Mikkel

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