Flight Simulator 2004

Summary
OS - Windows Vista Home Basic
RAM - DDR2 @ 1GB
Video Memory 256MB

I have just installed and i have noticed that it is very slow on running,
thus it makes it very hard to play. I have tried compatibility mode and this
does not help. Update 9.1 has been installed.

All other games like empire earth and Need for speed 3 run fine.

Any ideas please

"Ben Ramsay" <benramsay97@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:B7B8B2EF-A4C0-4E61-985F-10CF71F9B075@microsoft.com...
> Summary
> OS - Windows Vista Home Basic
> RAM - DDR2 @ 1GB
> Video Memory 256MB
>
> I have just installed and i have noticed that it is very slow on running,
> thus it makes it very hard to play. I have tried compatibility mode and
> this does not help. Update 9.1 has been installed.
>
> All other games like empire earth and Need for speed 3 run fine.
>
> Any ideas please

Need more important info. FS 2004 should run pretty good on a modern
system.

- Processor?
is the most important as the FS engine is doing much calculating. You can't
be a 'frame rate junkie'
with Flight Sim. Around 20 should give reasonably smooth flight. <shift>
<z> a couple of times will display the frame rate. I leave it off. Where
are the sliders set? Maybe move some back a bit.

-Video card?
if you don't have a good one turn of AA. Cloud slider down, etc.

Flight Sim is not your typical game. It is doing a ton of stuff figuring
out where the heck it is. It doesn't offload a lot of stuff to the video
card but you should have a good one.

Additional Information regarding processor is Intel Celeron 1.6Ghz CPU
Attempting to run it on a NEC L1040 Desktop System

> Summary
> OS - Windows Vista Home Basic
> RAM - DDR2 @ 1GB
> Video Memory 256MB
> Processor
Model : Intel(R) Celeron(R) D CPU 420 @ 1.60GHz
Speed : 1.60GHz
Cores per Processor : 1 Unit(s)
Threads per Core : 1 Unit(s)
Internal Data Cache : 1x 32kB Synchronous, Write-Thru, 8-way set, 64 byte
line size
L2 On-board Cache : 1x 512kB ECC Synchronous, ATC, 2-way set, 64 byte line
size

Mainboard
Bus(es) : ISA AGP PCI PCIe USB
MP Support : 1 Processor(s)
MP APIC : No
System BIOS : American Megatrends Inc. 8.14
System : NECCAP RD271100688
Mainboard : To be filled by O.E.M. To be filled by O.E.M.
Total Memory : 1.2GB

Chipset 1
Model : Giga-Byte Technology ??? (0671)
Front Side Bus Speed : 4x 200MHz (800MHz data rate)

Video System
Monitor/Panel : NEC LCD170V
Adapter : SiS Mirage 3 Graphics

Physical Storage Devices
Hard Disk : ST340015A ATA Device (37GB)
Hard Disk : ST3808110AS ATA Device (75GB)
Hard Disk : Maxtor OneTouch III USB Device
CD-ROM/DVD : HL-DT-ST DVDRAM_GSA-H40N ATA Device (CD 40X Rd, 40X Wr) (DVD 5X
Rd, 5X Wr)

Logical Storage Devices
Backup (D : 37GB (35GB, 93% Free Space) (NTFS)
Vista (C : 75GB (59GB, 79% Free Space) (NTFS)
FS_DISC4 (E : 630MB (CDFS)
MOBILE (F : 75GB (63GB, 84% Free Space) (NTFS)

> I have just installed and i have noticed that it is very slow on running,
> thus it makes it very hard to play. I have tried compatibility mode and
> this does not help. Update 9.1 has been installed.
>
> All other games like empire earth and Need for speed 3 run fine.
>
> Any ideas please

"Ben Ramsay" <benramsay97@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:3FD7CAE8-B772-4FDA-A029-7BF81D0BB5F8@microsoft.com...
> Additional Information regarding processor is Intel Celeron 1.6Ghz CPU
> Attempting to run it on a NEC L1040 Desktop System
>

Maybe a video card would help. I did a quick check on the L1040 and it
looks like it uses Shared Memory - up to 256mb.

Hopefully some other comments will come. I'm not sure if your machine can
run FS 2004 even with a better video card.

"Ben Ramsay" <benramsay97@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:3FD7CAE8-B772-4FDA-A029-7BF81D0BB5F8@microsoft.com...
> Additional Information regarding processor is Intel Celeron 1.6Ghz CPU
> Attempting to run it on a NEC L1040 Desktop System

A Celeron 1.6Ghz? While for a 2004 Flight Sim this should be adiquate to
run, it might not be optimal. Lower your video settings in game.

Does the game seem to "stutter" that is you're flying along and the
simulation with stop or stutter periodically?

One thing I hate about Vista Home Basic, only supports 1Gig of RAM, Last
week I started telling my customers that if they were gamers I would not
guarantee their experience with any game under Vista running less than 2Gigs
of RAM. Vista runs good in 1Gig, but games that use a lot of ram like your
MMOs (except WoW) or large RPGs like Oblivion, or I suppose even flight sims
like FSX, Windows just has issues handling ram, it's a Windows NT kernal
thing.

Not saying you need to upgrade, but it probably wouldn't hurt.

Andy,

I must, in a small sense, disagree with your assumption of a 1GB limit as I
have 1x1GB and 1x512MB installed on my system and Windows Vista Home Basic
detects both of these.

With regards to FSX I have noticed a similar but more severe slowness
compared to Flight simulator 2004.

With regards to Flight Simulator 2004, I have exactly the same setup with
exception to the graphics card which is an ATI based card and memory which
is only 512 and it runs fine on it. The reason I want to get Flight
Simulator 2004 running on the desktop is so that I can use the laptop for
other things. The OS is the same.>

Your video card is to blame. While it may do simple 3D graphic
acceleration, it is way to slow to run pretty much any modern game,
including FS2004. If you upgrade that (even to a cheap PCI Express ATI
or NVIDIA card), you should get a very noticeable increase in
performance, even with the slower Celeron CPU.

--
Dustin Harper
dharper@vistarip.com
http://www.vistarip.com


Ben Ramsay wrote:
>> Summary
>> OS - Windows Vista Home Basic
>> RAM - DDR2 @ 1GB
>> Video Memory 256MB
>> Processor
> Model : Intel(R) Celeron(R) D CPU 420 @ 1.60GHz
> Speed : 1.60GHz
> Cores per Processor : 1 Unit(s)
> Threads per Core : 1 Unit(s)
> Internal Data Cache : 1x 32kB Synchronous, Write-Thru, 8-way set, 64
> byte line size
> L2 On-board Cache : 1x 512kB ECC Synchronous, ATC, 2-way set, 64 byte
> line size
>
> Mainboard
> Bus(es) : ISA AGP PCI PCIe USB
> MP Support : 1 Processor(s)
> MP APIC : No
> System BIOS : American Megatrends Inc. 8.14
> System : NECCAP RD271100688
> Mainboard : To be filled by O.E.M. To be filled by O.E.M.
> Total Memory : 1.2GB
>
> Chipset 1
> Model : Giga-Byte Technology ??? (0671)
> Front Side Bus Speed : 4x 200MHz (800MHz data rate)
>
> Video System
> Monitor/Panel : NEC LCD170V
> Adapter : SiS Mirage 3 Graphics
>
> Physical Storage Devices
> Hard Disk : ST340015A ATA Device (37GB)
> Hard Disk : ST3808110AS ATA Device (75GB)
> Hard Disk : Maxtor OneTouch III USB Device
> CD-ROM/DVD : HL-DT-ST DVDRAM_GSA-H40N ATA Device (CD 40X Rd, 40X Wr)
> (DVD 5X Rd, 5X Wr)
>
> Logical Storage Devices
> Backup (D : 37GB (35GB, 93% Free Space) (NTFS)
> Vista (C : 75GB (59GB, 79% Free Space) (NTFS)
> FS_DISC4 (E : 630MB (CDFS)
> MOBILE (F : 75GB (63GB, 84% Free Space) (NTFS)
>
>> I have just installed and i have noticed that it is very slow on
>> running, thus it makes it very hard to play. I have tried
>> compatibility mode and this does not help. Update 9.1 has been installed.
>>
>> All other games like empire earth and Need for speed 3 run fine.
>>
>> Any ideas please
>

Why then can i run it on my Laptop with only half the memory that my desktop
has, It has an ATI Express that has a maximum, at the moment of 128mb and a
total memory of around 500mb. They bot are running vista as well

Why is it that I should have to upgrade my graphics card, I can run Empire
Earth on my desktop and it tends to take more memory that what FS 2004 does.
I have installed one of the patches that seems to improve the play of FS
2004 by about 10%.

Any comments welcome......
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"Dustin Harper" <dharper@vistarip.com> wrote in message
news:OF1PLBKJIHA.4044@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Your video card is to blame. While it may do simple 3D graphic
> acceleration, it is way to slow to run pretty much any modern game,
> including FS2004. If you upgrade that (even to a cheap PCI Express ATI or
> NVIDIA card), you should get a very noticeable increase in performance,
> even with the slower Celeron CPU.
>
> --
> Dustin Harper
> dharper@vistarip.com
> http://www.vistarip.com
>
>
> Ben Ramsay wrote:
>>> Summary
>>> OS - Windows Vista Home Basic
>>> RAM - DDR2 @ 1GB
>>> Video Memory 256MB
>>> Processor
>> Model : Intel(R) Celeron(R) D CPU 420 @ 1.60GHz
>> Speed : 1.60GHz
>> Cores per Processor : 1 Unit(s)
>> Threads per Core : 1 Unit(s)
>> Internal Data Cache : 1x 32kB Synchronous, Write-Thru, 8-way set, 64 byte
>> line size
>> L2 On-board Cache : 1x 512kB ECC Synchronous, ATC, 2-way set, 64 byte
>> line size
>>
>> Mainboard
>> Bus(es) : ISA AGP PCI PCIe USB
>> MP Support : 1 Processor(s)
>> MP APIC : No
>> System BIOS : American Megatrends Inc. 8.14
>> System : NECCAP RD271100688
>> Mainboard : To be filled by O.E.M. To be filled by O.E.M.
>> Total Memory : 1.2GB
>>
>> Chipset 1
>> Model : Giga-Byte Technology ??? (0671)
>> Front Side Bus Speed : 4x 200MHz (800MHz data rate)
>>
>> Video System
>> Monitor/Panel : NEC LCD170V
>> Adapter : SiS Mirage 3 Graphics
>>
>> Physical Storage Devices
>> Hard Disk : ST340015A ATA Device (37GB)
>> Hard Disk : ST3808110AS ATA Device (75GB)
>> Hard Disk : Maxtor OneTouch III USB Device
>> CD-ROM/DVD : HL-DT-ST DVDRAM_GSA-H40N ATA Device (CD 40X Rd, 40X Wr) (DVD
>> 5X Rd, 5X Wr)
>>
>> Logical Storage Devices
>> Backup (D : 37GB (35GB, 93% Free Space) (NTFS)
>> Vista (C : 75GB (59GB, 79% Free Space) (NTFS)
>> FS_DISC4 (E : 630MB (CDFS)
>> MOBILE (F : 75GB (63GB, 84% Free Space) (NTFS)
>>
>>> I have just installed and i have noticed that it is very slow on
>>> running, thus it makes it very hard to play. I have tried compatibility
>>> mode and this does not help. Update 9.1 has been installed.
>>>
>>> All other games like empire earth and Need for speed 3 run fine.
>>>
>>> Any ideas please
>>

I have also noticed that my display is strange when I play FS 2004, I
appears to be normal but slow when I disable the transform lighting option
and when I turn it on it runs at normal speed but it looks like a disco show
and can make it hard to play the game.

System symmary is as follows :-
SiSoftware Sandra

System
Manufacturer : NECCAP
Model : RD271100688
Family : To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Version : To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Serial Number : 1000733822
ID : 173C347C-11DC3A6B-454E0080-49435F43
SKU Number : To Be Filled By O.E.M.

System Chassis
Manufacturer : To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Type : Desktop
Can be locked : No
Version : To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Power Cord(s) : 1
Serial Number : To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Asset Tag : To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Boot-up State : Safe
Power State : Safe
Thermal State : Safe
Security State : External Interface Locked-out

Mainboard
Manufacturer : To be filled by O.E.M.
MP Support : 1 Processor(s)
MPS Version : 1.40
Model : To be filled by O.E.M.
Type : Mainboard
Version : To be filled by O.E.M.
Serial Number : To be filled by O.E.M.
Asset Tag : To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Location in Chassis : To Be Filled By O.E.M.
System BIOS : 63-0100-000001-00101111-051607-SiS671

System Mainboard Properties
Removable : No
Replaceable : Yes
Hot Swap : No

On-board Devices
To Be Filled By O.E.M. : Video Adapter (Enabled)

System Memory Controller
Location : Mainboard
Error Correction Capability : None
Number of Memory Slots : 2
Maximum Installable Memory : 4GB
BANK0 - DIMM0 : Manufacturer0 PartNum0 SerNum0 AssetTagNum0 DIMM Synchronous
SDRAM 512MB/64
BANK1 - DIMM1 : Empty

Chipset 1
Model : Giga-Byte Technology ??? (0671)
Bus(es) : ISA AGP PCI PCIe USB
Front Side Bus Speed : 4x 200MHz (800MHz data rate)
Width : 64-bit

Environment Monitor 1
Model : ITE IT8718F LPC
Version : 2.00
Mainboard Specific Support : No

Temperature Sensor(s)
Board Temperature : 28.0°C / 82.4°F
CPU Temperature : 14.0°C / 57.2°F td

Cooling Device(s)
Auto Fan Speed Control : No
System Fan : 1726rpm
CPU Fan : 1520rpm

Voltage Sensor(s)
CPU DC Line : 1.17V
Aux DC Line : 1.82V
+3.3V DC Line : 3.34V
+5V DC Line : 4.84V
+12V DC Line : 11.98V
-5V DC Line : -6.46V
Standby DC Line : 4.84V
Battery DC Line : 3.07V

AGP Bus(es) on Hub 1
Version : 3.05
Speed : 8x
Fast-Writes Enabled : No
Fast-Writes Support : Yes
Isochronous Mode Enabled : No
Addressing Enabled : 32-bit

PCI Bus(es) on Hub 1
Version : 2.30
Number of Bridges : 4
PCI Bus 0 : PCI (1/1x PCIClk)
PCI Bus 2 : PCIe (3/1x PCIClk)
PCI Bus 3 : PCIe (3/1x PCIClk)
PCI Bus 4 : PCIe (3/1x PCIClk)
Number of PCIe Lanes : 18

LPC Hub Controller 1
Model : Giga-Byte Technology ??? (0968)

USB Controller 1
Model : Giga-Byte Technology SiS5597/8 Universal Serial Bus Controller
Version : 1.00
Interface : OHCI
Channels : 4
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

USB Controller 2
Model : Giga-Byte Technology SiS5597/8 Universal Serial Bus Controller
Version : 1.00
Interface : OHCI
Channels : 4
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

USB Controller 3
Model : Giga-Byte Technology SiS7002 USB 2.0 Enhanced Controller
Version : 2.00
Specification : 1.00
Interface : EHCI
Channels : 8
Companion Controllers : 2
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps) High (480Mbps)
Addressing Support : 32-bit
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

Expansion Slot(s)
AGP : AGP-4x 32-bit +3.3V Shared PME Half-Length Used
PCI1 (1h) : PCI 32-bit +3.3V Shared PME Half-Length Available (Silicon
Integrated Systems (SiS) SiS648FX PCI to AGP Bridge)

Port Connector(s)
J1A1 - PS2Mouse : Mouse / PS/2
J1A1 - Keyboard : Keyboard / PS/2
J2A2 - USB1 : USB / USB
J2A2 - USB2 : USB / USB
J4A1 - LPT 1 : Parallel Port ECP/EPP / DB-25 pin male
J2A1 - COM A : Serial Port 16550A / DB-9 pin male
J6A1 - Audio Mic In : Audio / Mini-jack
J6A1 - Audio Line In : Audio / Mini-jack
J6B1 - AUX IN : Audio / CD-ROM Sound Input
J6B2 - CDIN : Audio / CD-ROM Sound Input
J6J2 - PRI IDE : ATA
J6J1 - SEC IDE : ATA
J4J1 - FLOPPY : Floppy Disk
J9H1 - FRONT PNL : 9 Pin Dual Inline
J1B1 - CHASSIS REAR FAN : None
J2F1 - CPU FAN : None
J8B4 - FRONT FAN : None
J9G2 - FNT USB : None
J6C3 - FP AUD : None
J9G1 - CONFIG : None
J8C1 - SCSI LED : None
J9J2 - INTRUDER : None
J9G4 - ITP : None
J2H1 - MAIN POWER : None