Does Vista use a file system when burning CD's that XP can't read?

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:22:56 -0400, 98 Guy <98@Guy.com> wrote:

>Ringmaster wrote:
>
>> The default is the NEWER file system supported by Vista. You
>> should automatically see a window pop up asking if you wish
>> to change it to make your CD/DVD more backward compatible.
>
>This page:
>
>http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s...70422083715451
>
>is a step-by-step series of screen-shots showing someone copying files
>to a CD-r on Vista, and no such warning window comes up:

Well duh, I don't speak German fluently but if you look on the 3rd
item of the above link is shows basically the same thing the English
version shows. Which is giving you a CHOICE between Live file system
and the other choice.

If you want to split hairs there is a Next button, but immediately to
the left of it is the line that's clickable that shows the two
available choices.

If you don't like how it's presented complain to Microsoft. I'm just
trying to help you understand.

Ringmaster wrote:

> Well duh, I don't speak German fluently

It's Dutch, but that doesn't matter. The author translates everything
into English.

> but if you look on the 3rd item of the above link is shows basically
> the same thing the English version shows. Which is giving you a CHOICE
> between Live file system and the other choice.

The point being that the first burn dialog box DOESN'T warn the user
that he has a choice and that the default burn setting will not be
compatible with other versions of Windows (or any other operating system
for that matter).

> If you don't like how it's presented complain to Microsoft.

You still haven't explained if the default burn setting would produce
disks that are readable by XP.

And if it doesn't, then why not? Don't you think that would create a
lot of consumer support issues?

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:17:50 -0400, 98 Guy <98@Guy.com> wrote:

>Ringmaster wrote:
>
>> Well duh, I don't speak German fluently
>
>It's Dutch, but that doesn't matter. The author translates everything
>into English.
>
>> but if you look on the 3rd item of the above link is shows basically
>> the same thing the English version shows. Which is giving you a CHOICE
>> between Live file system and the other choice.
>
>The point being that the first burn dialog box DOESN'T warn the user
>that he has a choice and that the default burn setting will not be
>compatible with other versions of Windows (or any other operating system
>for that matter).
>
>> If you don't like how it's presented complain to Microsoft.
>
>You still haven't explained if the default burn setting would produce
>disks that are readable by XP.
>
>And if it doesn't, then why not? Don't you think that would create a
>lot of consumer support issues?

You're arguing with the wrong guy. I think Vista is more screwed-up
than almost anybody. You're splitting hairs. You're choosing to ignore
an embedded link that leads to a choice that is clearly shown BEFORE
Vista starts the copy process. If or not the next button should have
come before or after is really irrelevant. You can lead a horse to
water but you can't make him drink.

Ringmaster wrote:

> >You still haven't explained if the default burn setting would produce
> >disks that are readable by XP.

And you STILL haven't said if the default burn setting for Vista would
produce a disk that is readable by XP.

> You're splitting hairs.

Let's leave aside the clarity (or logic) of the Vista dialog box
presentation.

Just answer this question:

Does the default burn setting for Vista produce disks that are readable
by XP?

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:35:05 -0400, 98 Guy <98@Guy.com> wrote:

>Ringmaster wrote:
>
>> >You still haven't explained if the default burn setting would produce
>> >disks that are readable by XP.
>
>And you STILL haven't said if the default burn setting for Vista would
>produce a disk that is readable by XP.
>
>> You're splitting hairs.
>
>Let's leave aside the clarity (or logic) of the Vista dialog box
>presentation.
>
>Just answer this question:
>
>Does the default burn setting for Vista produce disks that are readable
>by XP?

The best answer you can get is a MAYBE. Again directly from Vista's
own Burn a Disc window.

The default is SET to Live File System and reads:

Live File system - Allows you to add and erase files, like a USB flash
drive. Might not be readable on operating systems before Windows XP.

The optional choice reads:

Mastered - Readable on all computers and some CD/DVD players. Requires
you to write all files at once, and individual files can't be erased
afterwards.

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I understand you not having Vista you don't see this. It further goes
on to provide a link to Vista help which brings up a detailed list of
available choices detailed below. What follows is Microsoft's words
not mine:

Understanding the difference between the Live File System and Mastered
disc formats

If you have burned CDs using Windows XP, you are already familiar with
the Mastered format. The latest version of Windows offers a new
format, called Live File System. Discs that use the Live File System
format are often more convenient because you can copy selected files
immediately and as often as you want, as if the disc were a floppy
disc or USB flash drive. On the other hand, Live File System discs
can’t be used in all computers and devices. Use this guide to
understand the difference between Live File System and Mastered discs:

Discs formatted with the Live File System option:

Work like a USB flash drive or floppy disk, meaning you can copy files
to disc immediately without having to burn them.

Are convenient if you want to keep a disc in the burn drive and copy
files whenever the need arises.

Are only compatible with Windows XP and later versions of Windows.

Discs formatted with the Mastered option:
Don’t copy files immediately, meaning you need to select the entire
collection of files that you want to copy to the disc, and then burn
them all at once.

Are convenient if you want to burn a large collection of files, such
as a music CD.

Are compatible with older computers and devices such as CD players and
DVD players.

Why are there different versions of the Live File System format?
Each version of the Live File System format is compatible with
different operating systems. Depending on which computers you plan to
use a disc in, you might need to select a different version of Live
File System. If you plan to use your disc on the latest version of
Windows, however, you will never need to change the version of Live
File System you use. If you need to make discs that are compatible
with earlier versions of Windows, use the table below to select the
right Live File System version for your needs:

There's more, I didn't copy.

A CD that is not closed can be accessed (or closed) by any machine that has
CD mastering capability. There are no bits left over on the hard drive and
reinstalling the OS or CD drivers would not affect the ability to access the
disk and add more data to it, or to close it.

Because it is not closed the directory (actually, the TOC) needs to be
accessed in a special way. However, this also means that the directory can
be rewritten to include both new material and the original files, so it is
possible (at some waste of space) to add data to a mastered CD that has not
been closed. Once it is closed the standard directory (TOC) gets written
and new material cannot be added, but it becomes accessible to any hardware
that can read a mastered CD.

See, for instance:
http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq02.html#S2-19
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
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>
> snip <
>
> True and not true. If you don't close the disk, the final directory
> information parts would not be written to the disk, thus making it
> unusable by other computers as in essence, it is a incomplete burn. The
> unburned data being retained on the hard drive for subsequent use.
>
> Problem though, if you reinstalled the OS or the CD drivers, these cached
> bits of directory data would get wiped out making the partially burned CDs
> useless.
>
> They did this so that you could add more files later as one you made the
> CD complete with writing the header/directory information you could no
> longer add for files to it using known formats that Windoze can use. That
> is, Windows does not have built in method of reading CDs in more than one
> partition. You can actually make a CD or DVD that in Linux can be seen in
> it's entirety, while on a MS-Windows system you only get part of the data.
>
> Frank is wrong if you consider it needs to be a complete and recoverable
> burn.
>