Administrator Account

Seems I have the same problems as many users out there. I am the ONLY user
on my computer and I can't do many tasks I enjoyed on past versions of
Windows because I have to ask the "Administrator" to do t for me. I get
enough of that on the Job. I am running Vista Home Premium. The latest "you
can't do that!" involved installing my printer software and I'm told I can't
use "Run as..". I must log off and log in as Administrator or else have the
Administrator do it for me. I am at home for god's sake! I am the only
user. Sorry but I am frustrated. Did I miss something at install and would
it be easier to just reinstall? Please help.

David

Appreciate your reply. In the Users folder under C drive I have "David" and
if I right click and click on "properties" then click "security" I have the
following listed: SYSTEM, David(David-PC\David, and lastly
Administrators(David-PC\David). Am I not an Administrator account? If not
how do I delete these accounts and set me up as "Administrator"?
"Joshua" wrote:

> try disabling the uac (user account control) that will solve most problems
> and if you still can't install or do the run as... try switching your account
> type to administator.
>
> "David Johnson" wrote:
>
> > Seems I have the same problems as many users out there. I am the ONLY user
> > on my computer and I can't do many tasks I enjoyed on past versions of
> > Windows because I have to ask the "Administrator" to do t for me. I get
> > enough of that on the Job. I am running Vista Home Premium. The latest "you
> > can't do that!" involved installing my printer software and I'm told I can't
> > use "Run as..". I must log off and log in as Administrator or else have the
> > Administrator do it for me. I am at home for god's sake! I am the only
> > user. Sorry but I am frustrated. Did I miss something at install and would
> > it be easier to just reinstall? Please help.
> >
> > David
> >
> >

Reuben,
I have same problem, I can't install software because I dont have
Adminstrative rights, " I am the Administrator" so what the hell is going on
with Vista. I disabled it in msconfig and it didnt help. Someone please help
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"Williamc_sircon" wrote:

> On Feb 16, 1:45 pm, David Johnson
> <DavidJohn...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> > Appreciate your reply. In the Users folder under C drive I have "David" and
> > if I right click and click on "properties" then click "security" I have the
> > following listed: SYSTEM, David(David-PC\David, and lastly
> > Administrators(David-PC\David). Am I not an Administrator account? If not
> > how do I delete these accounts and set me up as "Administrator"?
> >
> >
> >
> > "Joshua" wrote:
> > > try disabling the uac (user account control) that will solve most problems
> > > and if you still can't install or do the run as... try switching your account
> > > type to administator.
> >
> > > "David Johnson" wrote:
> >
> > > > Seems I have the same problems as many users out there. I am the ONLY user
> > > > on my computer and I can't do many tasks I enjoyed on past versions of
> > > > Windows because I have to ask the "Administrator" to do t for me. I get
> > > > enough of that on the Job. I am running Vista Home Premium. The latest "you
> > > > can't do that!" involved installing my printer software and I'm told I can't
> > > > use "Run as..". I must log off and log in as Administrator or else have the
> > > > Administrator do it for me. I am at home for god's sake! I am the only
> > > > user. Sorry but I am frustrated. Did I miss something at install and would
> > > > it be easier to just reinstall? Please help.
> >
> > > > David- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The UAC is turned on by default, it's an extra layer of security so
> that even people WITH admin rights (including the admin) have to
> acknowlage that a change is to be made to the system.
>
> This can be turned off easily!
>
> http://www.petri.co.il/disable_uac_in_windows_vista.htm
>
>
>

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:20:33 -0800, David Johnson <David

>Seems I have the same problems as many users out there. I am the ONLY user
>on my computer and I can't do many tasks I enjoyed on past versions of
>Windows because I have to ask the "Administrator" to do t for me. I get
>enough of that on the Job.

Yup, this is because the NT security model was developed for corporate
networks, and has inappropriately been dropped into place as-is when
NT was pushed at "the rest of us" as XP.

The NT model ASSumes each user will do a narrowly-defined range of
permitted activities, as befitting their job description. That's fine
when you are being paid to do only work-related things on the
company's PC, but it becomes inappropriate when you own your own PC.


You may have avoided this problem in XP by simply running as
administrator all the time, but that undermines much of the security
that XP may have been able to offer you.

Because consumers didn't take to using limited user accounts, and
pretending to be someone else when they wanted to admin thier own PC,
the software vendors catering for consumers didn't bother to embrace
the NT security model either. So games, accounting packages, etc. all
required you to have admin rights in order for their software to work.

So it's "chicken and egg"; no-one in consumerland runs with less than
admin rights because their sware won't work, and no sware vendor
writres for reduced rights because everyone runs as admin anyway.

The result; consumerland misses out on most of NT's security
protection, and gets shot to pieces by malware. The aggregate
firepower of consumer broadband, coupled with rampant malware
infection, leads to huge botnets that act as massive wild virtual
servers, currently carrying 95% of spam and being used as hacking and
DDoS tools against businesses and so on.


Vista tries to make NT security available to users who have not
embraced the "let's all pretend to be corporate serfs" model, i.e.
most of us, by retrofitting some of these protections to user accounts
that are set up with admin rights.

IMO, this is a great idea, and I also see in Vista the beginnings of a
move away from dumbo account-based rights (where everything that
happens in a logon session gets the same rights as you) towards more
consumer-appropriate per-program rights (e.g. IE 7 runs with less
rights than you do, thus limiting the harm web sites can do, and
programs have to ask you for permission to do admin things).


Ironically, Vista is seen as inflicting the NT user rights model on
consumers even as it moves away from this model, because for many of
us, it is the first time we've ever had to think about "admin rights".

It may be new to us, but folks from other platforms (MacOS, Linux)
that pride themselves on being "more secure" see these prompts all the
time, often with password required. This process is pointed to as one
reason why these platforms are "more secure", whereas the same prompts
in Vista are complained about as being a meaningless nuisance.


>I am running Vista Home Premium. The latest "you can't do that!"
>involved installing my printer software and I'm told I can't use "Run
>as..". I must log off and log in as Administrator or else have the
>Administrator do it for me. I am at home for god's sake! I am the only
>user. Sorry but I am frustrated. Did I miss something at install and would
>it be easier to just reinstall? Please help.

DON'T "just" re-install.

Consider that these alerts become highly valuable when they pop up
unexpectedly, when sware running without your knowledge is trying to
rip into the system behind your back.

Think of this as like the discreet "beep" you hear from your home
burglar alarm every time you open a door to the outside of your house.
When it isn't you that's opening that door, then you may *really* want
to know that that is happening.



>--------------- ---- --- -- - - - -
Saws are too hard to use.
Be easier to use!
>--------------- ---- --- -- - - - -

Joshua, As you can see in my original post I stated I am the administrator
and I did turn off user account control.

Here is a more detail.

I am having several owner permissions rights problems with
Windows Vista. I upgraded my Dell XPS M1210 to Windows Vista from Windows
XP Media Center addition on 2/14/2007.


I set up myself as the administrator. I am the administrator account.
However, on several occasions now I am unable to remove software, reinstall
software, install drivers etc. because it says I do not have permissions and
I need to re-logon as administrator.

For example I installed a Cannon Selphy CP730 compact printer driver while
it was in Windows XP mode. Now I want to upgrade that driver to newer driver
supplied by Cannon for Windows Vista. The cannon rep advised me to delete
the registry entry for the printer. However I am not able to give myself
full rights and delete. I looked to see who the owner is, it says
Administrators. Now I am the Administrator but not the AdministratorS.
How did this administrators account get on my computer? I never put it
there. I did a Belarc Advisor analysis on the computer and it shows there is
an Adminstrator account that is marked as locked. I understand I can not
lock or unlock an account with Windows Vista Home Premium.

Could someone please tell me how to get rid of the Administrators account
and give myself (the owner of the pc and the person who set everything up)
the rights to remove/install programs or edit the registry!

I am unable to use my printer, connect my ipaq, run adobe professional
reinstall, etc. because of this.

On more thing, when I look at the security tab for the registry edit entry for
Group or user names it has 3 enteries
1) Everyone
2) Owner rights
3) System

I even tried to add myself through the advance tab and give myself
permissions through the usb and also enum and it won’t work! It will not
give me full control.

This is unbelieveable, it is my computer, I purchased windows vista, loaded
my software and yet I am not the owner? And it will not give me any control.

This really upsets me, what is wrong with windows vista? How did this other
administrators account appear and take control of programs and owns them?

P.S. I have looked in the Microsoft management console and there are no
groups set up.



"buyslake" wrote:

> I have the same problem and I am not very happy. I have several programs
> that tell me I can't uninstall or install because I do not have sufficient
> priviledges to change. It tells me to log on as administrator. I am the
> adminstrator and I have administrator priviledges. I also turned off user
> account control and I still get the same error! I uninstalled Adobe Acobe
> Professional because it kept wanting to reconfigure itself everytime I turned
> on the computer. Now I installed that program before I upgraded to vista a
> week before in the Windows XP environment. I did a home premium vista
> upgrade.
>
> What is the solution to this Microsoft? I can not uninstall my bluetooth
> drivers or upgrade them either. Just yesterday I installed them using the
> new drivers for vista and they installed and set up fine, today my it
> detected my ipaq via bluetooth and it wants the bluetooth driver but it will
> not update them because it says I do not have priviledges and I need to log
> on as administrator. Thats funny, I am the administrator and I installed
> the drivers fine yesterday!
>
> Wow, I am am really angry I switched to vista, I don't see much advantage
> and I have had 3 days of pure hell trying to resolve all the issues.!!!
> Please help!
>
> "Joshua" wrote:
>
> > try disabling the uac (user account control) that will solve most problems
> > and if you still can't install or do the run as... try switching your account
> > type to administator.
> >
> > "David Johnson" wrote:
> >
> > > Seems I have the same problems as many users out there. I am the ONLY user
> > > on my computer and I can't do many tasks I enjoyed on past versions of
> > > Windows because I have to ask the "Administrator" to do t for me. I get
> > > enough of that on the Job. I am running Vista Home Premium. The latest "you
> > > can't do that!" involved installing my printer software and I'm told I can't
> > > use "Run as..". I must log off and log in as Administrator or else have the
> > > Administrator do it for me. I am at home for god's sake! I am the only
> > > user. Sorry but I am frustrated. Did I miss something at install and would
> > > it be easier to just reinstall? Please help.
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >

On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:14:07 -0800, buyslake

>Here is a more detail.

I loooove detail :-)

>I am having several owner permissions rights problems with
>Windows Vista. I upgraded my Dell XPS M1210 to Windows
>Vista from Windows XP Media Center addition on 2/14/2007.

Now this raises an interesting potential problem pattern that may
apply wherever Vista has been installed as an OS upgrade.

A more generic form of this pattern can be stated like this...

When you install Vista, and then drivers and apps, the installation
process will "vet" these. Known-incompatible stuff won't be
installed, and where the installer auto-selects between different code
and options for different OSs, it will do so for Vista.

When you installed XP, this process would have ensured that everything
is selected and set up for XP. When you then upgrade to Vista, you
inherit a code base that is XP-OK, but not neceissarily Vista-OK, and
Vista doesn't have the opportunity to "vet" anything.

The more specific variant of this is...

When you install Vista, Vista's security model and UAC will vet what
can be installed or written where. Installers and apps will not be
allowed to do certain things, so these protected things will be free
of any app or driver footpring there. Apps and drivers that insist on
such access simply won't install or won't work.

When you installed these apps and drivers in XP, Vista's protections
weren't in effect, so material may be present within Vista's protected
spaces. Now Vista's protections bvecome particularly vexing, because
you can't get at those protected spaces to clear out a footprint that
should never have been allowed there in the first place.

>I set up myself as the administrator. I am the administrator account.
>However, on several occasions now I am unable to remove software, reinstall
>software, install drivers etc. because it says I do not have permissions and
>I need to re-logon as administrator.

>For example I installed a Cannon Selphy CP730 compact printer driver while
>it was in Windows XP mode. Now I want to upgrade that driver to newer driver
>supplied by Cannon for Windows Vista. The cannon rep advised me to delete
>the registry entry for the printer. However I am not able to give myself
>full rights and delete. I looked to see who the owner is, it says
>Administrators. Now I am the Administrator but not the AdministratorS.

Rights are assigned to groups, which are cataegories of users that
have a modifiable template of rights assigned to each.

The addministrators group contains all user accounts that are created
or assigned as members of that group. If you give a user account
"admin rights", it will prolly become a member of this group.

In addition, XP had a single dedicated "Administrator" account that
generally wasn't used outside Safe Mode. This particular account
could sometimes do things the AdministratorS group can't.

Vista brings its own value to the party, and how this shakes up the XP
Admin account thing, I don't know. As a non-corporate tech, I
generally try to avoid having anything to do with user accounts; they
are invaluable in pro-IT big-network settings, but in consumerland
they just seem to be more hassle than they're worth.

As you've installed Vista over XP, you may have inherited a mix of XP
and Vista account rights and logic. Un-fun, if that's the case.

>How did this administrators account get on my computer?

It's a group, not an account - a template of rights that can be
applied to user accounts. XP Home casts a few of these templates in
stone; XP Pro gives you the flexibility to edit these as well as
create new group rights templates of your own.

>I did a Belarc Advisor analysis on the computer and it shows there is
>an Adminstrator account that is marked as locked. I understand I can not
>lock or unlock an account with Windows Vista Home Premium.

OK - that's prolly the XP Administrator account that Vista inherited.
Vista either creates such an account and locks it, or it doesn't
create such an account at all, and has locked the XP account that it
found when installing as an upgrade.

A lot of this stuff is surely known, but alas not by me. Check out
Microsoft's pages on Vista administration, such as TechNet, MSDN, etc.
as there should be rigorous documentation there.

>Could someone please tell me how to get rid of the Administrators account
>and give myself (the owner of the pc and the person who set everything up)
>the rights to remove/install programs or edit the registry!

I hope so; the above is all I can offer :-/

>I am unable to use my printer, connect my ipaq, run adobe professional
>reinstall, etc. because of this.

>This is unbelieveable, it is my computer, I purchased windows vista, loaded
>my software and yet I am not the owner? And it will not give me any control.
>This really upsets me, what is wrong with windows vista? How did this other
>administrators account appear and take control of programs and owns them?

Good questions - if this is a typical outcome, then we have doors to
pound, else if it is not the typical outcome, we need to look at how
your particular upgrade process brought you here.

Maybe the bottom line is the same as it's usually been: Do NOT upgrade
an existing installation to a new Windows version?



>--------------- ---- --- -- - - - -
Saws are too hard to use.
Be easier to use!
>--------------- ---- --- -- - - - -

Basically the same issue here.

It's difficult to install software at times because I don't have the
permissions on my own machine. In terms of usability, very disruptive and
frustrating. Security issues aside, perhaps different means of security
would be beneficial.

Dan

You may have an incompatible program that is not requesting rights properly.
Have you tried contacting the vender?

"Daniel Côté" wrote:

> Basically the same issue here.
>
> It's difficult to install software at times because I don't have the
> permissions on my own machine. In terms of usability, very disruptive and
> frustrating. Security issues aside, perhaps different means of security
> would be beneficial.
>
> Dan

I feel your pain. I installed the program why am I not administrator enough
to delete it? Can someone give me a simple step by step instruction on what
to do?

"buyslake" wrote:

> I have the same problem and I am not very happy. I have several programs
> that tell me I can't uninstall or install because I do not have sufficient
> priviledges to change. It tells me to log on as administrator. I am the
> adminstrator and I have administrator priviledges. I also turned off user
> account control and I still get the same error! I uninstalled Adobe Acobe
> Professional because it kept wanting to reconfigure itself everytime I turned
> on the computer. Now I installed that program before I upgraded to vista a
> week before in the Windows XP environment. I did a home premium vista
> upgrade.
>
> What is the solution to this Microsoft? I can not uninstall my bluetooth
> drivers or upgrade them either. Just yesterday I installed them using the
> new drivers for vista and they installed and set up fine, today my it
> detected my ipaq via bluetooth and it wants the bluetooth driver but it will
> not update them because it says I do not have priviledges and I need to log
> on as administrator. Thats funny, I am the administrator and I installed
> the drivers fine yesterday!
>
> Wow, I am am really angry I switched to vista, I don't see much advantage
> and I have had 3 days of pure hell trying to resolve all the issues.!!!
> Please help!
>
> "Joshua" wrote:
>
> > try disabling the uac (user account control) that will solve most problems
> > and if you still can't install or do the run as... try switching your account
> > type to administator.
> >
> > "David Johnson" wrote:
> >
> > > Seems I have the same problems as many users out there. I am the ONLY user
> > > on my computer and I can't do many tasks I enjoyed on past versions of
> > > Windows because I have to ask the "Administrator" to do t for me. I get
> > > enough of that on the Job. I am running Vista Home Premium. The latest "you
> > > can't do that!" involved installing my printer software and I'm told I can't
> > > use "Run as..". I must log off and log in as Administrator or else have the
> > > Administrator do it for me. I am at home for god's sake! I am the only
> > > user. Sorry but I am frustrated. Did I miss something at install and would
> > > it be easier to just reinstall? Please help.
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >

Similar problem. I'm trying to add a printer from another computer on my work
group and as soon as I press 'add printer' I get a message that says I don't
have sufficient rights to do this. How do I get the rights?

"bp" wrote:

>
> You may have an incompatible program that is not requesting rights properly.
> Have you tried contacting the vender?
>
> "Daniel Côté" wrote:
>
> > Basically the same issue here.
> >
> > It's difficult to install software at times because I don't have the
> > permissions on my own machine. In terms of usability, very disruptive and
> > frustrating. Security issues aside, perhaps different means of security
> > would be beneficial.
> >
> > Dan