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Old 11-05-2009
tomluoma
 

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IE8 black menu, favorites/toolbar -- YES THIS IS A BUG
We have two systems - one desktop and one laptop. As identical as they can
be -- running XP SP3 and IE8. They have all updates, no custom themes, etc.
They are set to Windows Classic - Windows Standard - 32 bit color - Use
Windows Colors is set in IE8.

They have been XP stable for for a year and IE8 stable for 30-60 days.

The laptop suddenly decided to boot with the IE8 black menu problem. Why
now? No other app shows the problem.

This is fixed for the duration of that boot by going into Apperance,
Advanced selecting Menu from the pulldown and clicking OK and re-starting
IE8.
NO CHANGES have to be made - the Menu selection shows the default colors as
they should be.

Re-installing IE8 (no disk wipe) did not fix the problem.

When you re-boot IE8 "forgets" to look at the properties and goes back to
black.

None of the explanations I have read make any sense. And the work arounds
with color settings affect too many other apps or are a pain in the ass.

MICROSFOFT NEEDS TO FIX THIS -- IT CAN"T BE THAT DIFFICULT
--
Tom

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Old 11-05-2009
PA Bear [MS MVP]
 

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Re: IE8 black menu, favorites/toolbar -- YES THIS IS A BUG
Or you could disable/uninstall third-party Windows Themes.

cf.
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...lack%2Btoolbar

tomluoma wrote:
> We have two systems - one desktop and one laptop. As identical as they
> can
> be -- running XP SP3 and IE8. They have all updates, no custom themes,
> etc.
> They are set to Windows Classic - Windows Standard - 32 bit color - Use
> Windows Colors is set in IE8...


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Old 12-18-2009
Hogsncats
 

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RE: IE8 black menu, favorites/toolbar -- YES THIS IS A BUG
After fighting the same problem as you. I finally gave up on IE8 and I
switched to firefox. I can't believe this is still going on and that
microsoft has not fixed it yet. Looking at those black lines and seeing my
desktop behind that seems like it would be a simple fix. I tried changing the
appearance but it doesn't "stick" you have to keep doing it. I am happy with
firefox but once in awhile a page does not display as completely as IE8 does
and changing back is a nightmare.
When someone at MS has an update to fix this please let me know. it is
frustrating at best.





"tomluoma" wrote:

> We have two systems - one desktop and one laptop. As identical as they can
> be -- running XP SP3 and IE8. They have all updates, no custom themes, etc.
> They are set to Windows Classic - Windows Standard - 32 bit color - Use
> Windows Colors is set in IE8.
>
> They have been XP stable for for a year and IE8 stable for 30-60 days.
>
> The laptop suddenly decided to boot with the IE8 black menu problem. Why
> now? No other app shows the problem.
>
> This is fixed for the duration of that boot by going into Apperance,
> Advanced selecting Menu from the pulldown and clicking OK and re-starting
> IE8.
> NO CHANGES have to be made - the Menu selection shows the default colors as
> they should be.
>
> Re-installing IE8 (no disk wipe) did not fix the problem.
>
> When you re-boot IE8 "forgets" to look at the properties and goes back to
> black.
>
> None of the explanations I have read make any sense. And the work arounds
> with color settings affect too many other apps or are a pain in the ass.
>
> MICROSFOFT NEEDS TO FIX THIS -- IT CAN"T BE THAT DIFFICULT
> --
> Tom
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this
> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities...orer. general

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Old 12-19-2009
Jeffrey W. Bowen
 

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Re: IE8 black menu, favorites/toolbar -- YES THIS IS A BUG
To original poster,

Try switching to Windows XP Style and see if that fixes the problem. Then
switch back to Classic Style if that is your preference and see if the
problem is still fixed. Also, make sure you don't have any "Accessibilty"
options enabled.

Otherwise you can do a search for "IE 8 black menu" in the Microsoft
Knowledge Base or Google, Bing, etc. and see what you can find.

Supposedly this problem was caused by a recent update. See
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/...8-186ea8ec03d9
for more information. Copy and paste link into address bar of browser if you
have problems clicking on it. If this is a bug caused by an update, it is
highly likely that it will be fixed with next round of updates.


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"Hogsncats" <Hogsncats@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:422D6714-D439-4F0C-9E90-9724C71E22FE@microsoft.com...
> After fighting the same problem as you. I finally gave up on IE8 and I
> switched to firefox. I can't believe this is still going on and that
> microsoft has not fixed it yet. Looking at those black lines and seeing my
> desktop behind that seems like it would be a simple fix. I tried changing
> the
> appearance but it doesn't "stick" you have to keep doing it. I am happy
> with
> firefox but once in awhile a page does not display as completely as IE8
> does
> and changing back is a nightmare.
> When someone at MS has an update to fix this please let me know. it is
> frustrating at best.
>
>
>
>
>
> "tomluoma" wrote:
>
>> We have two systems - one desktop and one laptop. As identical as they
>> can
>> be -- running XP SP3 and IE8. They have all updates, no custom themes,
>> etc.
>> They are set to Windows Classic - Windows Standard - 32 bit color - Use
>> Windows Colors is set in IE8.
>>
>> They have been XP stable for for a year and IE8 stable for 30-60 days.
>>
>> The laptop suddenly decided to boot with the IE8 black menu problem. Why
>> now? No other app shows the problem.
>>
>> This is fixed for the duration of that boot by going into Apperance,
>> Advanced selecting Menu from the pulldown and clicking OK and re-starting
>> IE8.
>> NO CHANGES have to be made - the Menu selection shows the default colors
>> as
>> they should be.
>>
>> Re-installing IE8 (no disk wipe) did not fix the problem.
>>
>> When you re-boot IE8 "forgets" to look at the properties and goes back to
>> black.
>>
>> None of the explanations I have read make any sense. And the work
>> arounds
>> with color settings affect too many other apps or are a pain in the ass.
>>
>> MICROSFOFT NEEDS TO FIX THIS -- IT CAN"T BE THAT DIFFICULT
>> --
>> Tom
>>
>> ----------------
>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
>> "I
>> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>> this
>> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>> then
>> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities...orer. general



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Old 02-14-2010
T_Bearr
 

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Re: IE8 black menu, favorites/toolbar -- YES THIS IS A BUG
"Jeffrey W. Bowen" wrote:

{snip}

> Supposedly this problem was caused by a recent update. See
> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/...8-186ea8ec03d9
> for more information.
> Jeffrey W. Bowen


That makes no sense as I'm finding posts on the problem dated at least as
far back as March of 2009 with one or two indications that it may have
cropped up in late 2008.

-={TBear}-=
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Old 03-19-2010
undisclosed
 

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Re: IE8 black menu, favorites/toolbar -- YES THIS IS A BUG

From what I can see this problem has been around since at least
September 2008 and most people have concluded that it has something to
do with the themes chosen. (Apparently this mostly happens to people who
use the "Windows Classic" or "Windows Standard" themes.

It doesn't happen in safe mode which indicates that the problem is in
one of the processes or files that normal Windows uses. So I checked my
theme and it said "Windows Classic (modified)". Changed it to Windows
Classic, started IE8 and the black bars where still there. Checked
themes selection again and once more it showed a modified "Windows
Classic" again.

I searched and searched until I found what I think is the best
permanent solution. It's not my idea but came from someone named
*ikke1*.

Here's the procedure: Click start, control panel, administrative tools,
services. That brings up the "Services" list. Scroll down to "themes",
single click it. Click the "stop" option, double click "themes" which
opens the properties window. Change "automatic" to "manual".

If you use 3rd party themes and you have the problem click the
dependancies tab and check if anything uses this service. If your's
does, then this may not work for you. In that case just set it back to
start and change back to "automatic".

Here's *ikke1*'s post (near the bottom):

'http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r23676931-IE-Permanent-fix-for-IE8-black-bar-in-XP'
(http://tinyurl.com/yhjwck6)

I can't register or join all of the forums this problem is asked about,
so if it works for you please spread the word and give credit to
*ikke1*.

Mark


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Old 03-19-2010
undisclosed
 

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Re: IE8 black menu, favorites/toolbar -- YES THIS IS A BUG

From what I can see this problem has been around since at least
September 2008 and most people have concluded that it has something to
do with the themes chosen. (Apparently this mostly happens to people who
use the "Windows Classic" or "Windows Standard" themes.

It doesn't happen in safe mode which indicates that the problem is in
one of the processes or files that normal Windows uses. So I checked my
theme and it said "Windows Classic (modified)". Changed it to Windows
Classic, started IE8 and the black bars where still there. Checked
themes selection again and once more it showed a modified "Windows
Classic" again.

I searched and searched until I found what I think is the best
permanent solution. It's not my idea but came from someone named
*ikke1*.

Here's the procedure: Click start, control panel, administrative tools,
services. That brings up the "Services" list. Scroll down to "themes",
single click it. Click the "stop" option, double click "themes" which
opens the properties window. Change "automatic" to "manual".

If you use 3rd party themes and you have the problem click the
dependancies tab and check if anything uses this service. If your's
does, then this may not work for you. In that case just set it back to
start and change back to "automatic".

Here's *ikke1*'s post (near the bottom):

'http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r23676931-IE-Permanent-fix-for-IE8-black-bar-in-XP'
(http://tinyurl.com/yhjwck6)

I can't register or join all of the forums this problem is asked about,
so if it works for you please spread the word and give credit to
*ikke1*.

Mark


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Old 03-19-2010
undisclosed
 

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Re: IE8 black menu, favorites/toolbar -- YES THIS IS A BUG

From what I can see this problem has been around since at least
September 2008 and most people have concluded that it has something to
do with the themes chosen. (Apparently this mostly happens to people who
use the "Windows Classic" or "Windows Standard" themes.

It doesn't happen in safe mode which indicates that the problem is in
one of the processes or files that normal Windows uses. So I checked my
theme and it said "Windows Classic (modified)". Changed it to Windows
Classic, started IE8 and the black bars where still there. Checked
themes selection again and once more it showed a modified "Windows
Classic" again.

I searched and searched until I found what I think is the best
permanent solution. It's not my idea but came from someone named
*ikke1*.

Here's the procedure: Click start, control panel, administrative tools,
services. That brings up the "Services" list. Scroll down to "themes",
single click it. Click the "stop" option, double click "themes" which
opens the properties window. Change "automatic" to "manual".

If you use 3rd party themes and you have the problem click the
dependancies tab and check if anything uses this service. If your's
does, then this may not work for you. In that case just set it back to
start and change back to "automatic".

Here's *ikke1*'s post (near the bottom):

'http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r23676931-IE-Permanent-fix-for-IE8-black-bar-in-XP'
(http://tinyurl.com/yhjwck6)

I can't register or join all of the forums this problem is asked about,
so if it works for you please spread the word and give credit to
*ikke1*.

Mark


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Old 03-19-2010
undisclosed
 

Posts: n/a
Re: IE8 black menu, favorites/toolbar -- YES THIS IS A BUG

From what I can see this problem has been around since at least
September 2008 and most people have concluded that it has something to
do with the themes chosen. (Apparently this mostly happens to people who
use the "Windows Classic" or "Windows Standard" themes.

It doesn't happen in safe mode which indicates that the problem is in
one of the processes or files that normal Windows uses. So I checked my
theme and it said "Windows Classic (modified)". Changed it to Windows
Classic, started IE8 and the black bars where still there. Checked
themes selection again and once more it showed a modified "Windows
Classic" again.

I searched and searched until I found what I think is the best
permanent solution. It's not my idea but came from someone named
*ikke1*.

Here's the procedure: Click start, control panel, administrative tools,
services. That brings up the "Services" list. Scroll down to "themes",
single click it. Click the "stop" option, double click "themes" which
opens the properties window. Change "automatic" to "manual".

If you use 3rd party themes and you have the problem click the
dependancies tab and check if anything uses this service. If your's
does, then this may not work for you. In that case just set it back to
start and change back to "automatic".

Here's *ikke1*'s post (near the bottom):

'http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r23676931-IE-Permanent-fix-for-IE8-black-bar-in-XP'
(http://tinyurl.com/yhjwck6)

I can't register or join all of the forums this problem is asked about,
so if it works for you please spread the word and give credit to
*ikke1*.

Mark


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Old 03-19-2010
rob^_^
 

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Re: IE8 black menu, favorites/toolbar -- YES THIS IS A BUG
Hi Mark,

Yes, yes.... it also has something to do with elevated privileges when
writing registry values under the HKCU node. If Group Policy applies a
desktop theme for the user at startup, the user account will not have high
enough privileges to change the value. The same thing is happening for some
of IE's settings and Group Policy, and probably some third party AV
programs. <bear wink>

Not an issue that is caused by IE8.

But definitely Desktop themes and desktop color schemes comes into play
sometimes. As I said, null is Russian for 0. 0 is the color code for black.
(so is 0,0,0 and #ffffff)
The registry api does not know the difference between a missing Key/value
pair and a empty string (null). The value of a null string is zero.

I think I know the root cause... the problem is putting it into words that a
marketeer can understand.

All the gold has been mined from Mt Rainer.

Regards.

"undisclosed" wrote in message
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>
> From what I can see this problem has been around since at least
> September 2008 and most people have concluded that it has something to
> do with the themes chosen. (Apparently this mostly happens to people who
> use the "Windows Classic" or "Windows Standard" themes.
>
> It doesn't happen in safe mode which indicates that the problem is in
> one of the processes or files that normal Windows uses. So I checked my
> theme and it said "Windows Classic (modified)". Changed it to Windows
> Classic, started IE8 and the black bars where still there. Checked
> themes selection again and once more it showed a modified "Windows
> Classic" again.
>
> I searched and searched until I found what I think is the best
> permanent solution. It's not my idea but came from someone named
> *ikke1*.
>
> Here's the procedure: Click start, control panel, administrative tools,
> services. That brings up the "Services" list. Scroll down to "themes",
> single click it. Click the "stop" option, double click "themes" which
> opens the properties window. Change "automatic" to "manual".
>
> If you use 3rd party themes and you have the problem click the
> dependancies tab and check if anything uses this service. If your's
> does, then this may not work for you. In that case just set it back to
> start and change back to "automatic".
>
> Here's *ikke1*'s post (near the bottom):
>
> 'http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r23676931-IE-Permanent-fix-for-IE8-black-bar-in-XP'
> (http://tinyurl.com/yhjwck6)
>
> I can't register or join all of the forums this problem is asked about,
> so if it works for you please spread the word and give credit to
> *ikke1*.
>
> Mark
>
>
> --
> mark1950m
>

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