Will I be happy with IE8

Well...

Early results are good. Scripts ARE faster. In fact, they're much faster.
Furthermore, some sites that I had trouble with in IE7 now work, such as
http://forums.adobe.com. That site wouldn't work if the browser window
wasn't maximized, or set to a window size => 1024x768.

I used the IE8 downloadable installer. I forgot to do a few suggested
things prior to installing IE8, such as deleting temps, etc., and resetting
advanced settings, but I didn't run into problems. Everything seems to work
well. I noticed I needed to do a "reset all to default" for the security
zones.

All in all, I'm pretty happy. It was interesting, btw, to see it do
Facebook as fast as Firefox. Good move.

Another plus: IE7 would slowly increase the size of the commit charge for
paging, esp. after Facebook visits. I could frequently see Peak Working Set
memory for IE7 going above 500MB, some of which I could get back by exiting
and restarting IE, but to get it all required a reboot. IE8? No problem
here.

Very nice job, Microsoft.

....and thanks guys.

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:46:25 -0800, Mike H wrote:

> Well I appreciate what both of you have said. You're right on-IE7 has this
> child container problem which IE8 does not. I may or may not be interested
> in fixing that...it's really not much of a problem.
>
> What I was asking is if IE8 is a faster application than IE7 and if I'll be
> happy with it on this not-state-of-the-art machine. This question is hard
> to answer from reviews. Microsoft says it has a fast page load. Third
> parties say it's resource intensive but most of those reviews were against
> the betas.
>
> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:00:21 -0500, PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>
>> See Donald's reply. Also see the numerous workarounds in
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927917 if you'd rather stick with IE7.
>>
>> Mike H wrote:
>>> PA-Bear, actually I was wondering if I'd be happy with IE8 on an older
>>> machine which runs IE7 only adequately. Facebook scripting really dogs it
>>> down, though. In fact, any site heavy in scripting dogs it down. Not so
>>> with Firefox, so maybe a newer version of IE overcomes some of that? See,
>>> I'm running a PIII 1.33 GHz Tualatin with 1GB of RAM. I've wondered if IE7
>>> might be the last browser upgrade I do, fearing that IE8 might add
>>> features
>>> which will only slow me down more.
>>>
>>> To answer your questions:
>>>
>>> The error I referred to is a well documented one, and I can reproduce it
>>> at
>>> will by going to:
>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33400857...-destinations/
>>> and then scrolling down and clicking the link "World's Scariest Runways"
>>> (http://www.travelandleisure.com/arti...est-runways/2/)
>>> On some sites, that error will disappear upon a 2nd navigation to the
>>> site,
>>> but not so this one.
>>>
>>> 1. Yes, this behavior persists in no add-ons mode.
>>>
>>> 2. Yes, it persists and in fact I haven't varied much from those default
>>> options, other than deselecting Passive FTP, searching from the address
>>> bar, smooth scrolling, and selecting always check for phishing sites.
>>>
>>> 3. I'm using NOD32 v4.0.467.0 and Windows Defender. There is no 3rd party
>>> firewall. SP2 and SP3 were installed from CD's with no other software
>>> running at all, including AV
>>>
>>> 4. McAfee or Symantec have never been installed on this machine.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:53:42 -0400, PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>>> 1. Does the behavior persist if you start IE7 in No Add-ons mode? To
>>>> start
>>>> IE7 in No Add-ons mode:
>>>>
>>>> => Right-click on the blue IE desktop icon and select Start without
>>>> Add-ons; or
>>>>
>>>> => Start | (All) Programs | Accessories | System Tools | Internet
>>>> Explorer (No add-ons).
>>>>
>>>> Troubleshooting and Internet Explorer's (No Add-ons) Mode:
>>>> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/07/25/678113.aspx
>>>>
>>>> 2. Does the behavior persist if you Reset IE Advanced settings (RIES)?
>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923737 <= Read before using!
>>>>
>>>> 3. What anti-virus application or security suite is installed, is your
>>>> subscription current, and is it supported in IE8? What anti-spyware
>>>> applications (other than Defender)? What third-party firewall (if any)?
>>>> Were any of these applications running in the background when you
>>>> installed
>>>> IE7 and/or SP3?
>>>>
>>>> 4. Has a(nother) Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on this
>>>> machine (e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled when you
>>>> bought
>>>> it)?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mike H wrote:
>>>>> I'm using IE7 on a PIII Tualatin (1.33GHz), with XP SP3. I'm unhappy
>>>>> with
>>>>> jscript execution speed, and there's a continuing problem with some web
>>>>> sites that begin to load a page, only to be aborted when IE7 says
>>>>> "Internet
>>>>> Explorer cannot open the Internet site http://...." "Operation Aborted".
>>>>> I'm told that problem doesn't exist in IE8.
>>>>>
>>>>> So...does IE8 execute scripts any faster? Is it more intensive of
>>>>> resources? I need to be careful about how far I upgrade software on this
>>>>> box.

"Mike H" <mkREMOVEhuskeyALL@THIShotmail.invalid> wrote in message
news:1h4e6rlvbuy8l$.q867k0i4fp4v$.dlg@40tude.net.. .
> Well...
>
> Early results are good. Scripts ARE faster. In fact, they're much faster.
> Furthermore, some sites that I had trouble with in IE7 now work, such as
> http://forums.adobe.com. That site wouldn't work if the browser window
> wasn't maximized, or set to a window size => 1024x768.
>
> I used the IE8 downloadable installer. I forgot to do a few suggested
> things prior to installing IE8, such as deleting temps, etc., and
> resetting
> advanced settings, but I didn't run into problems. Everything seems to
> work
> well. I noticed I needed to do a "reset all to default" for the security
> zones.
>
> All in all, I'm pretty happy. It was interesting, btw, to see it do
> Facebook as fast as Firefox. Good move.
>
> Another plus: IE7 would slowly increase the size of the commit charge for
> paging, esp. after Facebook visits. I could frequently see Peak Working
> Set
> memory for IE7 going above 500MB, some of which I could get back by
> exiting
> and restarting IE, but to get it all required a reboot. IE8? No problem
> here.
>
> Very nice job, Microsoft.
>
> ...and thanks guys.

You're welcome Mike, glad it went smoothly for you

If any issue(s) or question(s) should arise, please begin a new thread
detailing the issue(s)||question(s).

Good luck,


Donald Anadell


>
> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:46:25 -0800, Mike H wrote:
>
>> Well I appreciate what both of you have said. You're right on-IE7 has
>> this
>> child container problem which IE8 does not. I may or may not be
>> interested
>> in fixing that...it's really not much of a problem.
>>
>> What I was asking is if IE8 is a faster application than IE7 and if I'll
>> be
>> happy with it on this not-state-of-the-art machine. This question is hard
>> to answer from reviews. Microsoft says it has a fast page load. Third
>> parties say it's resource intensive but most of those reviews were
>> against
>> the betas.
>>
>> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:00:21 -0500, PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>
>>> See Donald's reply. Also see the numerous workarounds in
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927917 if you'd rather stick with IE7.
>>>
>>> Mike H wrote:
>>>> PA-Bear, actually I was wondering if I'd be happy with IE8 on an older
>>>> machine which runs IE7 only adequately. Facebook scripting really dogs
>>>> it
>>>> down, though. In fact, any site heavy in scripting dogs it down. Not so
>>>> with Firefox, so maybe a newer version of IE overcomes some of that?
>>>> See,
>>>> I'm running a PIII 1.33 GHz Tualatin with 1GB of RAM. I've wondered if
>>>> IE7
>>>> might be the last browser upgrade I do, fearing that IE8 might add
>>>> features
>>>> which will only slow me down more.
>>>>
>>>> To answer your questions:
>>>>
>>>> The error I referred to is a well documented one, and I can reproduce
>>>> it
>>>> at
>>>> will by going to:
>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33400857...-destinations/
>>>> and then scrolling down and clicking the link "World's Scariest
>>>> Runways"
>>>> (http://www.travelandleisure.com/arti...est-runways/2/)
>>>> On some sites, that error will disappear upon a 2nd navigation to the
>>>> site,
>>>> but not so this one.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Yes, this behavior persists in no add-ons mode.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Yes, it persists and in fact I haven't varied much from those
>>>> default
>>>> options, other than deselecting Passive FTP, searching from the address
>>>> bar, smooth scrolling, and selecting always check for phishing sites.
>>>>
>>>> 3. I'm using NOD32 v4.0.467.0 and Windows Defender. There is no 3rd
>>>> party
>>>> firewall. SP2 and SP3 were installed from CD's with no other software
>>>> running at all, including AV
>>>>
>>>> 4. McAfee or Symantec have never been installed on this machine.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:53:42 -0400, PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>>>> 1. Does the behavior persist if you start IE7 in No Add-ons mode? To
>>>>> start
>>>>> IE7 in No Add-ons mode:
>>>>>
>>>>> => Right-click on the blue IE desktop icon and select Start without
>>>>> Add-ons; or
>>>>>
>>>>> => Start | (All) Programs | Accessories | System Tools | Internet
>>>>> Explorer (No add-ons).
>>>>>
>>>>> Troubleshooting and Internet Explorer's (No Add-ons) Mode:
>>>>> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/07/25/678113.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Does the behavior persist if you Reset IE Advanced settings (RIES)?
>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923737 <= Read before using!
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. What anti-virus application or security suite is installed, is your
>>>>> subscription current, and is it supported in IE8? What anti-spyware
>>>>> applications (other than Defender)? What third-party firewall (if
>>>>> any)?
>>>>> Were any of these applications running in the background when you
>>>>> installed
>>>>> IE7 and/or SP3?
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Has a(nother) Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on
>>>>> this
>>>>> machine (e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled when you
>>>>> bought
>>>>> it)?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike H wrote:
>>>>>> I'm using IE7 on a PIII Tualatin (1.33GHz), with XP SP3. I'm unhappy
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> jscript execution speed, and there's a continuing problem with some
>>>>>> web
>>>>>> sites that begin to load a page, only to be aborted when IE7 says
>>>>>> "Internet
>>>>>> Explorer cannot open the Internet site http://...." "Operation
>>>>>> Aborted".
>>>>>> I'm told that problem doesn't exist in IE8.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So...does IE8 execute scripts any faster? Is it more intensive of
>>>>>> resources? I need to be careful about how far I upgrade software on
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> box.

Thanks very much for your feedback, Mike!

Mike H wrote:
> Well...
>
> Early results are good. Scripts ARE faster. In fact, they're much faster.
> Furthermore, some sites that I had trouble with in IE7 now work, such as
> http://forums.adobe.com. That site wouldn't work if the browser window
> wasn't maximized, or set to a window size => 1024x768.
>
> I used the IE8 downloadable installer. I forgot to do a few suggested
> things prior to installing IE8, such as deleting temps, etc., and
> resetting
> advanced settings, but I didn't run into problems. Everything seems to
> work
> well. I noticed I needed to do a "reset all to default" for the security
> zones.
>
> All in all, I'm pretty happy. It was interesting, btw, to see it do
> Facebook as fast as Firefox. Good move.
>
> Another plus: IE7 would slowly increase the size of the commit charge for
> paging, esp. after Facebook visits. I could frequently see Peak Working
> Set
> memory for IE7 going above 500MB, some of which I could get back by
> exiting
> and restarting IE, but to get it all required a reboot. IE8? No problem
> here.
>
> Very nice job, Microsoft.
>
> ...and thanks guys.
>
> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:46:25 -0800, Mike H wrote:
>
>> Well I appreciate what both of you have said. You're right on-IE7 has
>> this
>> child container problem which IE8 does not. I may or may not be
>> interested
>> in fixing that...it's really not much of a problem.
>>
>> What I was asking is if IE8 is a faster application than IE7 and if I'll
>> be
>> happy with it on this not-state-of-the-art machine. This question is hard
>> to answer from reviews. Microsoft says it has a fast page load. Third
>> parties say it's resource intensive but most of those reviews were
>> against
>> the betas.
>>
>> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:00:21 -0500, PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>
>>> See Donald's reply. Also see the numerous workarounds in
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927917 if you'd rather stick with IE7.
>>>
>>> Mike H wrote:
>>>> PA-Bear, actually I was wondering if I'd be happy with IE8 on an older
>>>> machine which runs IE7 only adequately. Facebook scripting really dogs
>>>> it
>>>> down, though. In fact, any site heavy in scripting dogs it down. Not so
>>>> with Firefox, so maybe a newer version of IE overcomes some of that?
>>>> See,
>>>> I'm running a PIII 1.33 GHz Tualatin with 1GB of RAM. I've wondered if
>>>> IE7 might be the last browser upgrade I do, fearing that IE8 might add
>>>> features
>>>> which will only slow me down more.
>>>>
>>>> To answer your questions:
>>>>
>>>> The error I referred to is a well documented one, and I can reproduce
>>>> it
>>>> at
>>>> will by going to:
>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33400857...-destinations/
>>>> and then scrolling down and clicking the link "World's Scariest
>>>> Runways"
>>>> (http://www.travelandleisure.com/arti...est-runways/2/)
>>>> On some sites, that error will disappear upon a 2nd navigation to the
>>>> site,
>>>> but not so this one.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Yes, this behavior persists in no add-ons mode.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Yes, it persists and in fact I haven't varied much from those
>>>> default
>>>> options, other than deselecting Passive FTP, searching from the address
>>>> bar, smooth scrolling, and selecting always check for phishing sites.
>>>>
>>>> 3. I'm using NOD32 v4.0.467.0 and Windows Defender. There is no 3rd
>>>> party
>>>> firewall. SP2 and SP3 were installed from CD's with no other software
>>>> running at all, including AV
>>>>
>>>> 4. McAfee or Symantec have never been installed on this machine.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:53:42 -0400, PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>>>> 1. Does the behavior persist if you start IE7 in No Add-ons mode? To
>>>>> start
>>>>> IE7 in No Add-ons mode:
>>>>>
>>>>> => Right-click on the blue IE desktop icon and select Start without
>>>>> Add-ons; or
>>>>>
>>>>> => Start | (All) Programs | Accessories | System Tools | Internet
>>>>> Explorer (No add-ons).
>>>>>
>>>>> Troubleshooting and Internet Explorer's (No Add-ons) Mode:
>>>>> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/07/25/678113.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Does the behavior persist if you Reset IE Advanced settings (RIES)?
>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923737 <= Read before using!
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. What anti-virus application or security suite is installed, is your
>>>>> subscription current, and is it supported in IE8? What anti-spyware
>>>>> applications (other than Defender)? What third-party firewall (if
>>>>> any)?
>>>>> Were any of these applications running in the background when you
>>>>> installed
>>>>> IE7 and/or SP3?
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Has a(nother) Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on
>>>>> this machine (e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled when
>>>>> you
>>>>> bought
>>>>> it)?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike H wrote:
>>>>>> I'm using IE7 on a PIII Tualatin (1.33GHz), with XP SP3. I'm unhappy
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> jscript execution speed, and there's a continuing problem with some
>>>>>> web
>>>>>> sites that begin to load a page, only to be aborted when IE7 says
>>>>>> "Internet
>>>>>> Explorer cannot open the Internet site http://...." "Operation
>>>>>> Aborted". I'm told that problem doesn't exist in IE8.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So...does IE8 execute scripts any faster? Is it more intensive of
>>>>>> resources? I need to be careful about how far I upgrade software on
>>>>>> this box.